This is an interview with former NASA flight director, flight controller and Johnson Space Center Director, Gerald Griffin. After joining NASA in 1964, Griffin worked on moon missions, including Apollo 11, 12, 13, and 17. In the second half of this two-part interview, Griffin talks about transitioning from Master Control to the Apollo missions to taking the helm as director of the Johnson Space Center. He also discusses working with Washington, the results of the fatal Challenger mission, and the future of space travel. This interview was part of the Johnson Space Center’s Oral History Project.