House Approves National Defense Authorization Act, 351-66
House Session - September 18, 1996
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    . The house will be in order. The chair lays before the House a…

    . The house will be in order. The chair lays before the House a communication from the speaker Speaker shrooms Washington D.C. September eighteenth nine hundred ninety six I hereby designate the Honorable. Richard Doc Hastings to act as speaker pro-tem pray on this day. Sign

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    pro-tem pray on this day. Sign Newt Gingrich speaker of the House of…

    pro-tem pray on this day. Sign Newt Gingrich speaker of the House of Representatives . The prayer will be offered by the chaplain.

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    THE CLERK

    chaplain. We pray a gracious God that we would translate our good thoughts…

    chaplain. We pray a gracious God that we would translate our good thoughts and words. Into deeds of mercy and compassion . That reach out to the neediest in our communities . We

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    in our communities . We had met that it is easier to talk about what we…

    in our communities . We had met that it is easier to talk about what we would do than to put our hands to the task. And accomplish the works of justice. We thank you for the faith that you have given us. For the Creeds and beliefs that we hold dear. But on this day we pray for the strength to strength suppose those ideas and words and faith . Into achievements that make our words come alive . And help people wherever they are . This is our earnest prayer . Amen. The chair is examine the Journal of the last day's proceedings and ounces to the house his approval there of pursuant to Clause one of rule one. The journal stands approved. The pledge will be led by the gentleman from Missouri which I have asked that everyone join in.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Missouri which I have asked that everyone join in. I pledge allegiance to…

    Missouri which I have asked that everyone join in. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all .

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    MR. VOLKMER

    . The chair will entertain. Ten one minutes on each side for the purpose…

    . The chair will entertain. Ten one minutes on each side for the purpose of the gentle lady from washing seek recognition . Without objection so ordered journal as we think you Mr Speaker Mr Speaker in one thousand nine hundred five the Internal Revenue Service is one eight hundred number.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Internal Revenue Service is one eight hundred number. Provided about eight…

    Internal Revenue Service is one eight hundred number. Provided about eight and a half million Americans the wrong answers to even the most basic questions about tax law . Further.

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    MS. DUNN

    even the most basic questions about tax law . Further.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    questions about tax law . Further.

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    MS. DUNN

    . Further. Money magazine estimated in one thousand nine hundred ninety…

    . Further. Money magazine estimated in one thousand nine hundred ninety that nearly half the thirty million penalty notices the I.R.S. mails out each year are Eroni is even more alarming the latest impartial G.A.O. audit of the I.R.S. asserted that the agency that scrutinises taxpayer finances . Cannot properly keep track of the one point four trillion dollars. It collects each year. Mind you that was the fourth straight out of the I.R.S. has flunked. Mr Speaker fair is fair . The I.R.S. itself has failed to meet the standards of financial accountability and diligence. It imposes on our citizenry. And since they can no longer adequately police itself . It can no longer be trusted with the authority to police individual American businesses and individuals. We need a solution to our problem that empowers the hard working American taxpayer. We need to reform the I.R.S. . Thank. you TIME The gentle lady has expired. For purposes the gentleman from New Jersey seek recognition. Without objection sword . Mr Speaker the Republican leadership over the last two years has systematically tried to tear up twenty five years. Of

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  • 10:04:12 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    years. Of environmental protection . And I'm afraid that the dull tax plan…

    years. Of environmental protection . And I'm afraid that the dull tax plan which has been touted by the presidential candidate over the last few weeks . Will just do

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    MR. PALLONE

    been touted by the presidential candidate over the last few weeks . Will…

    been touted by the presidential candidate over the last few weeks . Will just do

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    presidential candidate over the last few weeks . Will just do

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    MR. PALLONE

    . Will just do that much more. To accomplish the goal of tearing down…

    . Will just do that much more. To accomplish the goal of tearing down environmental protection. And not providing the funding for enforcement and investigation of Syria. This environmental infractions. We've seen in the last two years an attempt by the Republican leadership to. Basically got the Clean Water Act allow for more dumping in the ocean. Allow for the destruction of wetlands . We've seen them try to change a super fun loss of the Basically instead of the polluter paying. The government would be paying the polluter. And we would not see clean up most of the Superfund sites around the nation. And we've also seen Republican efforts to pass legislation that would close national parks. Decommission National Recreation areas around the country . But most important. The Republican budgets and appropriation bills have significantly cut the amount of money that would be available for environmental enforcement. For investigating the polluters. That will only continue under the dole tax plan. And the cuts that he is proposing . Thank you Mr Speaker time agenda has expired. For purpose a gentleman from Georgia seek recognition just house from one of the stand let me say this I'm out of action New Jersey if he truly believes that information which obviously his speech writer wasn't hailing when he wrote that I would like to challenge him here and now for debate. On the

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    he wrote that I would like to challenge him here and now for debate. On the

  • 10:05:36 AM

    MR. KINGSTON

    environment on the House floor . Usually during special hours when the.…

    environment on the House floor . Usually during special hours when the. The Democrats have the floor they don't yield to Republican. I will do it on my own hour to debate. Such outrageous. Fantasy about. Cuts in the environment the fact is we have a five trillion dollar debt. The Republican Party is trying to put sanity. Common sense reforms. Both in environmental legislation . And in all government legislation. I think it's very important to cut out the rhetoric and get back to the fact that the children in America baby born today . Is one hundred eighty seven thousand dollars of the next seventy five years. Just in. Interest on the national debt. It's time for the Democrat Party to quit hiding its head. Inside the sand . Quit coming out with the. Partisan demagoguery . And face the real problem of trying to balance the budget and have common sense reforms in government . And I hope my friend will do but me thank you. TIME The gentleman has expired. Purposes generally from Ohio seek recognition. Without objection sword . Mr Speaker . There is an economic wind blowing across our nation that has thus far failed to capture the attention of the leading presidential candidates . And I'm specifically

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    of the leading presidential candidates . And I'm specifically

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    MS. KAPTUR

    of the leading presidential candidates . And I'm specifically

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . And I'm specifically referring to last us jobs and thinking wages .…

    . And I'm specifically referring to last us jobs and thinking wages . Eroded by

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    MS. KAPTUR

    jobs and thinking wages . Eroded by rising imports dwarfing US exports.…

    jobs and thinking wages . Eroded by rising imports dwarfing US exports. The latest Commerce Department figures show that for mid summer. We have the highest trade deficits . In over a decade. Over eleven point seven billion for the last month. The trade deficit with Japan up thirty three percent. Car parts. Imported cars from Japan far door thing. Our exports. Trade deficit with China. Up fifteen percent imported clothing imported shoes imported textiles . Meaning more lost jobs in this country . Our dependence on oil continues to grow . As we see U.S. troops being sent to Kuwait. Rather than energy resources developed here at home. I'm glad somebody notices the Philadelphia Inquirer . From September eighth through twenty second is running an incredible series. America who stole the dream . These three that. People in America really don't know where they are noticing. Even if the presidential candidates time are generally has expired. For purposes gentleman from Florida seek recognition . This one. Without objection sword. Thank you Mr Speaker Mr Speaker it's been widely reported that partial birth abortions are extremely rare. Pro-abortion groups claim that there are no more than five hundred partial birth abortions per year.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    that there are no more than five hundred partial birth abortions per year.

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    MR. CANADY

    And they are only performed in extreme circumstances such as when the…

    And they are only performed in extreme circumstances such as when the child is severely deformed or the mother is in grave danger . These myths are finally being dispelled. The Record newspaper in New Jersey reported that a single abortion clinic in New Jersey performs fifteen hundred partial birth abortions. Each year. One doctor was quoted as saying that only a miniscule amount of partial birth abortions are performed . Medical reasons. The Washington Post also reported yesterday that most partial birth abortions performed are. Elective. I quote . The typical patients tend to be young low income women whose reasons for waiting so long to end their pregnancies. Are rarely medical the evidence is overwhelming . The vast majority of partial birth abortions are elective. I asked you how long will we continue to allow our children in this country . To be partially delivered. And then kill . TIME The gentleman has expired. For . Gentleman from Ohio is recognized for one minute as being in an effort to cut the budget the G.A.O. called the O.M.B. the C B O the R.T.C..

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    the R.T.C.. The N.S.C. the I.D.C. The G.S.A.. And the I.R.S. and

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    MR. TRAFICANT

    they had no success . So the G.A.O.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    then called the DIO Di Dio E.D.O.T..

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    MR. TRAFICANT

    And the D.D.T.. And they could find no cuts. So the year . Then call the…

    And the D.D.T.. And they could find no cuts. So the year . Then call the CIA The CIA the. O.S.I. the P.C.B. is in the P.C.P.. They could find no cuts so. Then they called. O.S.I. zero R I N. I U D N can find no cuts and finally so frustrated. They called the P.M.S. and. There were no cuts to be made so they decided there should be a whole new program called the accounting . Selection system. Hereafter to be known as a as which only goes to show us when it comes the bureaucrats and cuts. It's still the same in Washington D.C. It's called the B.S. in D.C. . And with that I yield back the. B O M T. Time to gel and has expired. For what purpose the gentleman from California seek recognition. Mr Speaker to address the house for one minute and I ask unanimous consent revising stand my remarks. Without objection so ordered. Thank you Mr Speaker the ultra liberal Clinton administration has added again .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    administration has added again . Yesterday Interior Secretary Bruce…

    administration has added again . Yesterday Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt .

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    MR. DOOLITTLE

    . Endorsed a planned attacks. Anything and everything having to do with…

    . Endorsed a planned attacks. Anything and everything having to do with enjoyment of the great outdoors .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    having to do with enjoyment of the great outdoors .

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    MR. DOOLITTLE

    enjoyment of the great outdoors . This plan would impose a five percent…

    enjoyment of the great outdoors . This plan would impose a five percent tax on and. Mind you this is just a partial list. Backpacks. Camping stove . Canoes canteens climbing equipment flotation vast. Hiking boots. Mountain bikes. Outdoor sleeping mats ski equipment sleeping bags. Tans paddles. Binoculars cameras. Film . Books on bird identification . And audio tapes. Of wildlife calls. Mr Speaker this is just a glimpse. A reminder of what the tax and spend liberal Democrats would do if. Returned to power our next year. They just refuse to acknowledge that what the American people want. Is fewer taxes . Not higher taxes. Time to gel that has expired . Flippers a gentleman from Maryland seek recognition . Without objection sower. Mr Speaker this September a record number of children entered elementary and secondary schools across this country.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    entered elementary and secondary schools across this country. Every one of…

    entered elementary and secondary schools across this country. Every one of them. Should be concerned about what the House Republicans did with respect to education.

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    House Republicans did with respect to education.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    education. Although we have never had so many children in our schools.…

    education. Although we have never had so many children in our schools. House Republicans cut funding for elementary and secondary education . By four hundred million dollars in subcommittee. I offered an amendment. Two point one billion dollars to Headstart and education. It was defeated . On a party line vote. On the floor House Democrats offered an amendment to add these desperately needed funds. It was defeated. On a party line vote . But yesterday . Yesterday the Senate voted to add two point three billion . To educate Americans children. I hope that House Republicans have done their homework . And will support this very important . And on for America's children. And America's families . TIME A gentleman has expired. For purposes gentleman from Kansas seek recognition. Without objection so ordered . Mr Speaker. If you had twenty five thousand dollars you could have spent last Friday evening with Bill Clinton Hillary Clinton.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    thousand dollars you could have spent last Friday evening with Bill…

    thousand dollars you could have spent last Friday evening with Bill Clinton Hillary Clinton. And Barbra Streisand. Where else but in Hollywood . Can Bill

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    escape the nagging problems of the average American like the. Increasing

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    problems of the average American like the. Increasing drug use among…

    problems of the average American like the. Increasing drug use among teens. In

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    teens. In order to rub elbows with his rich and famous pals. Twenty five…

    teens. In order to rub elbows with his rich and famous pals. Twenty five thousand dollars. Can you believe it. Mr Speaker the average American family of four. Working people with an annual income of about thirty five thousand dollars a year would have had to fork out over almost all of their paycheck . For an entire year just to have dinner with Bill and Hillary Clinton. You know we had a great president from Hollywood. Ronald Reagan. Now we have a president that acts like Hollywood . Mr Speaker it's time for the president to pay attention to the concerns of average Americans . Not the labor bosses . Not the Hollywood pals who make millions of dollars each year. It's time to make America better. It's time for a real American hero . Bob Dole . You're back to balance my time. TIME A gentleman has expired food purpose . The gentleman from Georgia is recognized for one minute. Mr Speaker . Once again I rise to call on an ethics committee. To do

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    an ethics committee. To do the right thing to release that site concert…

    an ethics committee. To do the right thing to release that site concert report and speak with her point of order.

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    order. General. suspend

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    General status point of order. Speaker several days in a row the gentleman…

    General status point of order. Speaker several days in a row the gentleman from Georgia has risen on the floor of the house. To address matters

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    risen on the floor of the house. To address matters that are inappropriate…

    risen on the floor of the house. To address matters that are inappropriate because the rules of how specifically prohibit. Speaking of matters before the committee on standards .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . Gentleman doesn't seem to get that point and. On each occasion that I've…

    . Gentleman doesn't seem to get that point and. On each occasion that I've raised this point of order the speaker has agreed with me. I'd

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  • 10:14:55 AM

    MR. LINDER

    agreed with me. I'd like Speaker to make a ruling on this matter today. Mr…

    agreed with me. I'd like Speaker to make a ruling on this matter today. Mr Speaker . The gentleman we should be heard on the point of order. Where if the gentleman is familiar with the rules. He should know because the mere way to object is to ask. That the member. Words be taken down . I think I think of each image or. Point of order

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    each image or. Point of order at any teacher is prepared to rule on the…

    each image or. Point of order at any teacher is prepared to rule on the gentleman from Georgia point of order. The chair repeat the admonition. Of the chair from yesterday or from September twelfth one thousand nine hundred ninety six and September seventeenth one thousand nine hundred six.

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    MR. LEWIS

    one thousand nine hundred ninety six and September seventeenth one…

    one thousand nine hundred ninety six and September seventeenth one thousand nine hundred six.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    one thousand nine hundred six. It is an essential rule of decorum in…

    one thousand nine hundred six. It is an essential rule of decorum in debates. That members should refrain from references in debate to the conduct of other members were such conduct. Is not the question . Actually pending before the House. By way of a report from the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct . Or by way of another question of the privileges of the house. This principle is documented on pages one sixty eight in. Five twenty six . Of the house rules and manuals and reflects the consistent rulings of the chair. In this . And in prior Congresses and applies to one minute. And special order speeches. Neither the filing of a complaint before the committee on standards official conduct . Nor the publication in another form of charges that are personally critical. To another member . Justify the references to such charges on the floor of the house. This includes references to the motivations of members who filed complaints into members of the Committee on Standards of Official. Conduct. Clowes one. Of Rule fourteen is a prohibition against engaging in personality in debate . It derives from . Article one Section five of the Constitution which authorizes. Each house to makes own rules and to punish its members for disorderly behavior. And has been part of the rules of the house. In some relevant form since seven hundred eighty nine. This rule supersedes any other. Any claim of a member to be free from questioning in any other place . On January twenty seventh one thousand and nine . The house. Adopted a report that stated the following quote. It is the duty of the house to require its members in speech . Or debate to prison. Or is that proper restraint. Which will permit the house to conduct business to conduct its business in an already manner . And without unnecessarily in. Unduly exciting animosity among its members. In quote . This is canons precedence volume. Eight at Section twenty four ninety seven. This report was in response to improper references in debate to the president. But clearly reiterated the principle that all occupants of the chair in this . And in prior Congresses. Have held to be equally applicable to members remarks and debate. Towards each other the chair asked and expects the cooperation of all members. In maintaining a level of decorum that properly. Dignified the proceedings of the house. Therefore So I would the chair would request that the gentleman precede. In order. Mr Speaker. The outside counsel James Cole has prepared an extensive one hundred page report on this because. Ethical violation. American people deserve the right to know what is in that report. Mr Speaker . Point of order. Generally States point of order. Yes it's entirely possible that gentlemen well didn't hear you.

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    MR. LEWIS

    it's entirely possible that gentlemen well didn't hear you. Or it's…

    it's entirely possible that gentlemen well didn't hear you. Or it's entirely possible the gentleman well doesn't know what the rules are . But I think you just rule that he was speaking out of order and I'd like to have the chair readdressed his. Addressing matters before the committee on standards . Mr Speaker

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    . Mr Speaker

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Mr Speaker.

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    MR. LINDER

    Let me start to my chair. The gentleman will suspend the chair. Sustains…

    Let me start to my chair. The gentleman will suspend the chair. Sustains the point of order from the gentleman from Georgia . And asked the other member from Georgia. To please keep his remarks. In order.

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    MR. LEWIS

    But for speaker.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Gentlemen state his point of inquiry. The gentleman from Georgia. Mr…

    Gentlemen state his point of inquiry. The gentleman from Georgia. Mr Vendor. Appears to me to try to make a point of water and.

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    Only on the point of water to silence the other gentleman from Georgia by…

    Only on the point of water to silence the other gentleman from Georgia by having the chair.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    to silence the other gentleman from Georgia by having the chair. Not only…

    to silence the other gentleman from Georgia by having the chair. Not only rule the gentleman out of order . But to

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    gentleman out of order . But to perhaps even make the gentleman sit down.…

    gentleman out of order . But to perhaps even make the gentleman sit down. I would like to know . Is a chair aware of any example . In the tar. History of this House of Representatives where the speaker has unilaterally . Silenced a member before his time has expired . On the one minute without the consent of the house . On September twelfth and on September seventeenth of this year. The chair sustained points of orders. Against members who repeatedly made references in debate. To a matter be pending before the committee on standards.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Of Official Conduct. On those occasions that the chair indicated that…

    Of Official Conduct. On those occasions that the chair indicated that pursuant to the rules such members . Could be required to take their seats. Where they declined to proceed in order . At the directive of the chair after points of order had been sustained. Against the references . While the demand that the offending member be seated is normally. Insisted upon. Only where there is a formal demand that the words be taken down . Pending disposition that the words be taken down pending disposition of the matter by the chair and by the house. It is within the chair is authority under rule one. And Rule fourteen. To deny that member further recognition . As a disposition of the question of order. Subject to the will of the house . On a question. Preceding. In order a members comportment. In the face of repeated admonitions by the chair to proceed in order. Has itself been the subject of a ruling of the chair that . The member may not be recognize. To proceed unless permitted to do. To do so by the house . That is cited on page three nineteen . Of the manual . Once a member has been recognized and has the floor. Rule run. Rule one in Rule fourteen permit the chair to respond. To repeated points of order . While permitting the House to determine the propriety of the chairs rulings. And its willingness to to permit the member. To proceed in order. Thus if the chair were to direct that an offending member. Be denied the floor. For the duration of the time for which he was recognized . He would do so in the context of a ruling that would permit the House to determine whether the member. Should proceed in order for what part of further parliamentary inquiry it appears from your ruling. One that there is no precedent. Other south. Prior to this Congress . Of the action.

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    MR. VOLKMER

    That you said is appropriate for the speaker. That's number one. I ask if…

    That you said is appropriate for the speaker. That's number one. I ask if there was any precedent . The only president. You have mentioned. Is just approximately a week ago . Last week . Now . Thought of this Congress and. Within the last week. Not any prior history the whole United States. Number two. It appears from what you've said even though you feel that you have the authority under that ruling. To make any member sit down and appropriated for not following regular. Rules of Order . That the ultimate decision. Upon A proper motion made is that the house itself . Has to decide which has always been the president of this body. The house. Decides whether member does or not. Not the speaker. That correct. On the first question. The chair is not commenting. Commenting on the historical precedent . On the second point. You are essentially correct. I just want to say I have been unable to find a precedent that you have listed . From last week

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    a precedent that you have listed . From last week . Without objection the…

    a precedent that you have listed . From last week . Without objection the gentleman from Georgia may proceed with the balance of his time. Gentleman from Georgia . Mr Speaker

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    MR. VOLKMER

    . Mr Speaker and let me set to a minute I probably from Georgia Mr Linda.

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    from Georgia Mr Linda.

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    MR. VOLKMER

    I would not be harassed. Bully. Arsalan

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    . I

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    know the rules. Of this house. As well as you . But you know Mr Linda.…

    know the rules. Of this house. As well as you . But you know Mr Linda. I've learned in my life that down time when the rules must be challenge. To

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  • 10:23:38 AM

    MR. LEWIS

    down time when the rules must be challenge. To confront a drama ties and…

    down time when the rules must be challenge. To confront a drama ties and in justice. I will not sit down a keep silent until you release . That report to the American people. Last week. New gender brought an ice bucket to the floor. To demonstrate a small cost saving achieve in the house . It is strange indeed that those Slaven are part of the same amount as the Policy Report . But outside counsel . Regular order. Nanda speak to any Republican anywhere either but outside counsel what time of the gentleman has expired just plain wrong. TIME A gentleman has expired . For one person gentleman from Ohio seek recognition .

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    MR. LINDER

    . Without objection so are gentleman from Ohio is recognized for one…

    . Without objection so are gentleman from Ohio is recognized for one minute.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    from Ohio is recognized for one minute. Mr Speaker I'd like to read from…

    from Ohio is recognized for one minute. Mr Speaker I'd like to read from a. Dear

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    MR. HOKE

    colleague that was signed by the gentleman Mr Lewis. Who just spoke from…

    colleague that was signed by the gentleman Mr Lewis. Who just spoke from Georgia as well as the gentleman from Missouri Mr Volkmar.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Georgia as well as the gentleman from Missouri Mr Volkmar. Just a few…

    Georgia as well as the gentleman from Missouri Mr Volkmar. Just a few years ago quote. As the

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    MR. HOKE

    ethics committee prepares its recommendations to the full House. It should…

    ethics committee prepares its recommendations to the full House. It should release. Only the information which the committee agrees is relevant and necessary to support its findings. To ask a member and a member . To also respond in the court of public opinion. To allegations rumors and innuendo not deemed worthy of charge by the committee. Would be totally unfair and a perversion of the process especially in a time of press sensationalism. Public release of material not germane to formal committee action. Would be similar to the process used during the Joe McCarthy era . Ignore the discipline of due process and firm evidence . And dump on proven allegations out in public and let the ensuing publish that he. Destroy the person's reputation . And career signed. Richard Gephardt. Pat Schroeder. Harold Volkmar. John Lewis. John Dingell I'm a gentleman as if I lost. Etc And as you know has expired. What first gentleman from Wisconsin seek recognition to rest for one minute and to revising some remarks Without objection so or. Mr Speaker and members today I rise on behalf of seven hundred fifty retirees in my district who are betrayed by their employer . And be on on behalf

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . And be on on behalf of retirees across the country.

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    MR. KLECZKA

    Or increasingly victimized by corporate irresponsibility . Last

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    month I'm walking the paps brewing company abruptly informed us retirees .…

    month I'm walking the paps brewing company abruptly informed us retirees . It would no longer

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    MR. KLECZKA

    the paps brewing company abruptly informed us retirees . It would no…

    the paps brewing company abruptly informed us retirees . It would no longer provide health and death benefits. Just like that years of hard work and dedication . Labor agreements promises . All out the window. This is a disturbing trend. Last week I introduced the health care insurance for retired employees act or care act. It would provide the companies give their retirees six months notice of any change to their benefits. Further the Labor Department would have to certify that the changes. Were in accordance with the applicable. Collective bargaining agreements. Under the Care Act retirees age fifty five to sixty five would have . And access to health insurance under COBRA. Until they were eligible for Medicare. Medicare's late and Roman penalties would be waived . And a six month Medigap. Open enrollment period . Would be established. Mr Speaker I ask my colleagues. To please join me in co-sponsoring this bipartisan bill which will provide fair and workable safeguards for your retired constituents the gentleman has expired. What purposes Erlichman Oklahoma seek recognition. Without objection so are. Mr Speaker. Whether we like it or not some among us are expected to be role models . By sheer virtue of media. Intensive positions. Actors.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    positions. Actors. Athletes and politicians are often thrust into the role…

    positions. Actors. Athletes and politicians are often thrust into the role of the role model on life.

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    MR. LUCAS

    model on life. That's why it comes as no surprise that after substantial…

    model on life. That's why it comes as no surprise that after substantial decline during the late eighty's and ninety's. Overall drug use nearly doubled in the last four years. It should also come as no surprise that there are those who idolize or most often young and impressionable . And that overall drug use among twelve to seventeen year olds between one nine hundred ninety two and one thousand nine hundred five. Went up seventy eight percent . Mr Speaker. Starting from the top . Those of us in Congress and those at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue . Should renewed this nation's commitment to fighting perhaps the most important war to date . The war on drugs. Thank you speech. TIME The gentleman has expired. What purpose a gentle lady from Georgia seek recognition . Without objection so or . Thank you Mr Speaker a cloud of shame is hanging over America's intelligence community . And August

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    the San Jose Mercury News reported that the Central Intelligence Agency.

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    MS. MCKINNEY

    Agency. Shipped cocaine. Into

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    South Central Los Angeles.

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    MS. MCKINNEY

    Angeles. Then use that money to buy guns to overthrow the government of…

    Angeles. Then use that money to buy guns to overthrow the government of Nicaragua and while Aldrich Ames was busy selling us down the river. Our central . Intoxication agency. Was selling crack cocaine in South Central L.A. . It's no wonder we couldn't predict the fall of the Soviet Union. The CIA was too busy shipping crack into the US. Mr Speaker as they helped dull. Ticket. Traverses America proselytizing about the increase in drug use. The administration they hope to emulate . The Reagan Bush administration. Was running crack in the one nine hundred eighty S. . I urge my colleagues to just say no to the central intoxication agency . And they have don't take it . TIME The gentle lady has expired . For the purpose a gentle lady from Utah seek recognition. Without objection so are. Mr Speaker in one nine hundred ninety three Bill Clinton's National Security Council dropped the priority is the drug war for number three. To

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    is the drug war for number three. To number twenty nine. That's twenty…

    is the drug war for number three. To number twenty nine. That's twenty nine out of a total of twenty nine priorities. At the

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    MS. GREENE

    nine out of a total of twenty nine priorities. At the

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    same time Clinton slash the Office of National Drug Policy. By

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    MS. GREENE

    of National Drug Policy. By eighty three percent . In his budget request…

    of National Drug Policy. By eighty three percent . In his budget request for fiscal year ninety five Clinton proposed doing away with six hundred twenty one total drug enforcement positions throughout the government. And in one thousand nine hundred four the Clinton administration . Told the Treasury Department's financial crimes and Foresman network. To devote only fifty percent to drug enforcement instead of the normal. Eighty percent. This unit is the unit that provides intelligence on money laundering by drug dealers . And during his whole term as president Bill Clinton is rarely talked about the drug issue. Or the explosion of drug use by our children . Except to admit that he actually tried to inhale. Mr Speaker. America cannot survive with this kind of leadership. The children of America need a president who is willing to wage a real war on drugs. TIME The generator has expired. What purpose a gentleman from Indiana seek recognition . Without objection sword. Mr Speaker too often times over the last two years . In this Congress . We have not been bipartisan . And we certainly have not looked out for the best interests of our children.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Tomorrow. With a partial birth abortion ban vote. We have an opportunity…

    Tomorrow. With a partial birth abortion ban vote. We have an opportunity to be both bipartisan. And to look out for our nation's children. This partial birth abortion procedure is horrific . It is gruesome . It is totally on. Acceptable . And I would hope Democrats and Republicans. Men and women. Pro-choice and pro-life people would come together and join together tomorrow to have an important debate . An important vote in. Outlawing a procedure that hopefully most pro-life and pro-choice people agree. Should be permanently banned in the United States of America. With that Mr Speaker I yield back the balance of my time. TIME The gentleman has expired . What purpose the gentleman from Tennessee seek recognition. Without objection sort of gentleman recognized for one minute.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    The speaker . I want to thank all of those who participated in the special…

    The speaker . I want to thank all of those who participated in the special order and.

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    Yesterday evening . On the floor

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    Yesterday evening . On the floor of the house their remarks wrought tears…

    Yesterday evening . On the floor of the house their remarks wrought tears to my eyes. And I appreciate it.

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    it. Shoma leaving. Is a sad day for me . But thirty four years was long…

    it. Shoma leaving. Is a sad day for me . But thirty four years was long enough . And that convinced me that term limits is appropriate. And I think seventeen terms. Should be the limit. Thank you I want to thank my good friend Jamie Dokken for spearheading the bicycle order . His remarks were great as were all the remarks who participated. Jury Solomon a charmer of the Rules Committee . Spoke out in crystal clear language . And I'm proud of that. Bart Gordon . How Rodgers . And the Garza of Texas who supplied me with onions . And I'm assured that he's going to mail . Some Time me . Even I am from out of the Congress. Thank you thank you and thank you. And they had bright Zakk Wylde and Van Hilleary and Dokken Heiner and John Maher. And those who extended the remarks. You make me stand so tall and proud. I appreciate it from the bottom of a heart . And God bless you all the time the gentleman has brought there is a gentleman from Texas seek recognition . Which mission to address the house one minute misbehavior and revise my remarks Without objection so order.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Let me say misspeak or those are good ten fifteen years developed in South…

    Let me say misspeak or those are good ten fifteen years developed in South Texas and. Represent Baylor Garza's district by Texas A and M. . Miss Baker

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    I rise address the house and concerning the center to dollars and going…

    I rise address the house and concerning the center to dollars and going from issue to issue now in the presidential campaign . And nothing seems

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    issue now in the presidential campaign . And nothing seems to take hold .…

    issue now in the presidential campaign . And nothing seems to take hold . He isn't talking

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    about the tax cut as of yesterday . Because the American people saw it…

    about the tax cut as of yesterday . Because the American people saw it through the rhetoric and realized he couldn't balance the budget and cut. Five hundred forty eight billion in taxes at the same time . Now is trying to convince the public that the president's crime bill had nothing to do with the recent drop in national crime rate . It said he says it belongs to the governors who I'm sure. Are also participants in it. Centered to Dole voted against the addition of six hundred new police officers in my hometown of Houston Texas. And he that. He also voted against increased prison construction. Increased border patrol . And the expansion of the death penalty in a crime bill of one nine hundred ninety four. It's obvious that Senator Dole wanted to have it both ways when something good happens. It's a Republican governors. But when something bad happens like drug use. It's the president. When he also voted against any voted to cut the funding for safe and drug free schools. And I'm confident the American people and the gentleman has expired like they did to his tax plan . Prefers a gentleman. For the gentleman from New Jersey seek recognition . Without objection sword Thank you Mr Speaker this past Sunday New Jersey's Bergen Record published a lengthly investigative report. About partial birth abortions. I was

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    abortions. I was appalled to read that . A single abortion facility in New…

    abortions. I was appalled to read that . A single abortion facility in New Jersey . The

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    Metropolitan medical and the would.

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    and the would. Performs at least fifteen.

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    Hundred parsha. Birth abortions every year . This is three times the…

    Hundred parsha. Birth abortions every year . This is three times the number of brain suction abortions. That the National Abortion Federation. Nay WRAL another pro-abortion groups have estimated are performed annually. Throughout the entire country this isn't one to still ity in the state of New Jersey. Every year this revelation belies the statement of Bill Clinton. That the process of sucking a baby's brains out . Moments before his or her. Full delivery. Is limited to only five hundred children per year nationally. Even if the lower figure were true. However I am stunned that he or anyone else. Could belittle the harbor of partial birth abortion by saying. It only kills. Five hundred babies. Per year. This tall. Even at five hundred is equivalent to the three Oklahoma City bombings. Mr Speaker. Remember. Fifteen hundred per year in one. Abortion mill in the state of New Jersey. And that's three times the national time of the gentleman works in industry time a generation fired for what purpose the gentleman from Missouri seek recognition . For one minute by minute and my remark Without objection so ordered. But Speaker members of the house. As a person who's been here for twenty years have been very proud to be a member of the United States House of Representatives I love this body .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    of the United States House of Representatives I love this body .

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    . But today I see that this body.

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    that this body. Is highly discredited.

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    Actually I'm ashamed. We have a huge cloud of homers over the House of…

    Actually I'm ashamed. We have a huge cloud of homers over the House of Representatives. And it can be removed . But a Republican majority under Speaker Gingrich. Refuses to remove that. I say let the report from James call the special counsel to the Ethics Committee. Fall over a month ago. Be given to every member. To the media to the public speaker put it to be released. The gentleman will suspend . General status point of order for the gentleman the well is referring to matters. Before the committee on standards which is prohibited by the rules of this house. I would . To the chair sustains the point of order and I'd ask the member.

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    and I'd ask the member.

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    From Missouri to keep his remarks in order.

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    It is very apparent to me that Speaker Gingrich . And then Tax Committee…

    It is very apparent to me that Speaker Gingrich . And then Tax Committee chairman.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    chairman. Are going to do a cover up. And we're never going to see that…

    chairman. Are going to do a cover up. And we're never going to see that report. We're going to. Journey here. And interview. In a

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    few weeks without anyone ever knowing what's in that report I don't know…

    few weeks without anyone ever knowing what's in that report I don't know what's in that record of order. TIME The gentleman has expired . But there was a gentleman from Texas . Seek recognition . Didn't take speaker. Table the bell H.R. three to five nine it authorized the appropriations for Fiscal Year nine hundred ninety seven.

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    authorized the appropriations for Fiscal Year nine hundred ninety seven.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    for Fiscal Year nine hundred ninety seven. For intelligence in the…

    for Fiscal Year nine hundred ninety seven. For intelligence in the retelling just related activities of the United States government community management accounting the Central Intelligence Agency retirement and disability system.

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    system. And for other purposes. Where the. senator Men with their two…

    system. And for other purposes. Where the. senator Men with their two disagree with the Senate amendment and read of the conference asked by the Senate. The clerk report to title the bill H.R. thirty two fifty nine an act to authorize appropriations for the fiscal year nine hundred ninety seven for intelligence and intelligence related activities of the United States government . The community management account and the Central Intelligence Agency retirement and disability system and for other purposes .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Agency retirement and disability system and for other purposes .

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    THE CLERK

    His objection . Without objection the chair old. Point the following.…

    His objection . Without objection the chair old. Point the following. Conferees. From the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence for consideration of the House bill and the Senate amendment modifications committed to conference Messrs cum best . Dorn and

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Messrs cum best . Dorn and young Florida Hansen. Lewis of California Gus.…

    Messrs cum best . Dorn and young Florida Hansen. Lewis of California Gus. Schuster. McCollum castle.

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    THE CLERK

    castle. Dix. RICHARDSON. Dixon Torricelli Coleman. Skaggs and Ms Pelosi.…

    castle. Dix. RICHARDSON. Dixon Torricelli Coleman. Skaggs and Ms Pelosi. In the Committee on National Security for consideration of defense. Tactical Intelligence and related agencies Mr Stump. Spence and Elam's what purpose the jungles in Pennsylvania arise. Mr Speaker I ask unanimous consent to take in the speaker's desk. The bill six forty. With the House amendment there to insist on the House amendment. And agree to the conference requested by the Senate report to title.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    report to title. Senate six forty and act to provide for the.

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    forty and act to provide for the. Conservation development of water and…

    forty and act to provide for the. Conservation development of water and related resources to authorize the secretary of the army. To construct various projects. For improvements to rivers and harbors of the United States and for the purposes of thought objection.

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    THE CLERK

    thought objection. The chair appoints the following conferees mushers the…

    thought objection. The chair appoints the following conferees mushers the clerk report.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Mr Schuester young of Alaska Boehlert. Over Starr and four ski resort to…

    Mr Schuester young of Alaska Boehlert. Over Starr and four ski resort to the provisions of Clause five of rule one. The chair announces

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    THE CLERK

    we will postpone further proceedings today on each motion to suspend the…

    we will postpone further proceedings today on each motion to suspend the rules on which a recorded vote on the yeas and nays are ordered or in which you voted subjected to under Clause four Rule fifteen . Such roll call

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Clause four Rule fifteen . Such roll call votes. If postpone. Will be…

    Clause four Rule fifteen . Such roll call votes. If postpone. Will be taken after a debate has concluded on all motions. To suspend the rules. The gentleman from Pennsylvania . What purpose was he right. Mr Speaker I move to suspend the rules and pass the bill H.R. twenty five ninety four. The railroad unemployment insurance Amendment. Acts as amended. The cork report the title of the bill. Twenty five ninety four a bill to amend the railroad unemployment insurance actually do the waiting period for benefits. Payable.

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    MR. SHUSTER

    actually do the waiting period for benefits. Payable. Under that act and…

    actually do the waiting period for benefits. Payable. Under that act and for other purposes . Pursuant to rule the gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Schuster and the gentleman from Pennsylvania . Mr board

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    gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Schuster and the gentleman from…

    gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Schuster and the gentleman from Pennsylvania . Mr board

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    THE CLERK

    . Mr board . Each will control twenty minutes . The chair recognizes…

    . Mr board . Each will control twenty minutes . The chair recognizes gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Schuster. I'm a Speaker I yield myself such time as I might consume.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    myself such time as I might consume. Thought objection. And I rise in…

    myself such time as I might consume. Thought objection. And I rise in strong support of H.R. twenty five ninety four the railroad . Unemployment Insurance Amendment. Of one thousand nine hundred six. This bill was reported out of the transportation infrastructure committee last November.

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    MR. SHUSTER

    And enjoyed the full support of both labor and real management.

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    labor and real management.

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    MR. SHUSTER

    real management. This bill is good for railroad workers . It reforms…

    real management. This bill is good for railroad workers . It reforms which. It has reforms in it which are very significant it will increase the daily unemployment benefits for real road workers. From thirty six to forty two dollars in line with other non railroad workers. It reduces the waiting period before benefits. Begin to accrue from fourteen days to seven days. This will produce an immediate gain of two hundred ninety four dollars for any unemployed real worker. It's no secret that the railroads have been reducing the size of their workforce is in fact rail employment is less than half what it was in one nine hundred seventy five . By increasing unemployment benefits for rail workers. To bring them in line with other non rail workers across America . H.R. twenty five ninety four provides a little more security for workers who know that they too could one day. Be affected by a layoff. It's high time that the real unemployment benefits reform. Some of my colleagues may remember that a virtually identical bill . Was . Passed by the hundred third Congress. The legislation was never taken up by the Senate. And the issue has languished . Ever since we now have an opportunity to get this bill passed. Should not be missed . Both rail labor and real management support this legislation . And I urge my colleagues . To support it. And preserve the balance of my time . John reserves about his time jump in Pennsylvania sports Speaker I rise a strong supporter of this bill and. Would yield two minutes to the gentleman from Illinois west of the Pinsky jump from Illinois is recognized for two minutes . I had thanked the gentleman from Pennsylvania.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Pennsylvania. Mr Speaker I rise in strong support of H.R. twenty five

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    MR. BORSKI

    H.R. twenty five ninety four to railroad unemployment insurance Amendments…

    H.R. twenty five ninety four to railroad unemployment insurance Amendments Act of one nine hundred ninety six.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    six. This bill has been pending for over three years it was first…

    six. This bill has been pending for over three years it was first introduced by our former colleague Al swift the one hundred third Congress.

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    MR. LIPINSKI

    introduced by our former colleague Al swift the one hundred third…

    introduced by our former colleague Al swift the one hundred third Congress. It passed the House on suspension but . Like too many other good bills died in the other body when a single senator put a whole lot of. The bill was introduced again last year but a bipartisan leadership of our committee. And was quickly reported out by a voice vote. The bill is supported by both Republicans and Democrats by both real labor in rail management . The bill has four major provisions . To favor management. In the other to favor labor . Both sides feel the bill is and is a good deal for them. The bill races benefit levels so that they are more in line with the benefits being paid by the States for nine railroad employees. It also shortens the waiting time before rail workers qualify for unemployment in sickness benefits. And the other hand it reduces the number of weeks of benefits. Received by employees with more than fifteen years seniority . And it places a limit on the earnings of employees who are receiving benefits . Action on this bill has been held up by having various controversial amendments attached to it in the past . The manager's amendment . Makes some clarifying changes to committee. Report bill that has been worked out jointly by the MIT. Majority and Minority steps. I am happy to report that we now have a clean bill that. All of us can support. I recommend the bill to my colleagues an urgent. Passage. I yield back the balance of my time to the gentleman from Pennsylvania . The gentleman you jump in pencils to speak right now. No further requests for time and you'll bounce Germany and back about the time John from Pennsylvania. Misspeak I would simply emphasize that there are no tax payer dollars involved in this this is totally financed by the railroad industry in the workers. And with that I urge support and.

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    MR. BORSKI

    Yield back the balance of my time. All time has been yelled back the…

    Yield back the balance of my time. All time has been yelled back the question is will the house suspend the rules and pass the bill H.R. two

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    the question is will the house suspend the rules and pass the bill H.R. two

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    MR. SHUSTER

    and pass the bill H.R. two five nine four. As amended . So many as are in…

    and pass the bill H.R. two five nine four. As amended . So many as are in favor. Will say aye aye those oppose no.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    In opinion of the chair two thirds of those present having voted in the…

    In opinion of the chair two thirds of those present having voted in the affirmative the rules are suspended. The bill is passed and without objection the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. John from Pennsylvania of what Mr Speaker I move to suspend rules the and pass the bill H.R. thirty nine twenty three. The aviation disaster Family Assistance Act of one thousand nine hundred six as amended. With pork or port the title the bill H.R. thirty nine twenty three a bill to amend title.

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    MR. SHUSTER

    to amend title. Forty nine United States code to require the National…

    to amend title. Forty nine United States code to require the National Transportation Safety Board and. Individual air carriers to take actions to address the needs of families. Passengers involved in air traffic accidents.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    accidents. Pursuant to the rule of the gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr…

    accidents. Pursuant to the rule of the gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Schuster and the gentleman from Illinois.

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    THE CLERK

    gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Schuster and the gentleman from Illinois.…

    gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Schuster and the gentleman from Illinois. Mr Pinsky . Each will control twenty minutes . The chair recognizes gentleman from Pennsylvania . I have myself such time as I might consume as Speaker Mr Speaker.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    I might consume as Speaker Mr Speaker. I strongly support this legislation…

    I might consume as Speaker Mr Speaker. I strongly support this legislation I made a promise to the families of the victims of aviation disasters when they were before our committee in June . That I would bring forward such legislation . And

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    MR. SHUSTER

    bring forward such legislation . And today. We are fulfilling that promise…

    bring forward such legislation . And today. We are fulfilling that promise . Airline travel is remarkably safe. Indeed since commercial aviation began over eighty years ago. Less than thirteen thousand people have been killed in airplane crashes that many die. Every four months . On our nation's highways. However when accidents do occur. It's important that the families of the victims. Be treated with the utmost . Sensitivity and compassion . Airlines. Usually do the best they can . However when we held a hearing on June nineteenth. We heard some real horror stories from the families including such things as . Impersonal notification such as leaving messages about the death of a loved one. On an answering machine . Mass burials of an identified body parts . Without informing the families. Discarding the belongings of the victims without notifying the families . Harassment by lawyers looking for clients . And journalists looking for stories. And painful delays and notification of the death of a loved one. Sometimes the airline would refuse to tell them anything . For hours and hours. At their June one thousand hearing. I promised the families that we would move legislation to deal with these problems and today. We bring this bill to the floor to keep that commitment . The purpose of this bill is to address many of the complaints we heard and clarify . The role of the government and the Red Cross in helping the families of future . Airline disasters. Key features of this bill. Included establishes a position with the. Within the N.T.S.B. . To act as a liaison between the government and the families. And between the airline in the families. It directs the N.T.S.B. . To designate an independent organization such as the Red Cross . To take primary responsibility for the care and support of the families. It imposes a one thousand dollars fine. On anyone. Impeding the work of the N.T.S.B. or the Red Cross . It requires airlines to return passengers possessions. To the families. If they request it. And retain all unclaimed articles for eighteen months . And establishes a task force involving. The Department Transportation N.T.S.B.. Fema the Red Cross . Family Representatives and the airlines. To develop a model family assistance plan and. To recommend ways to speed up the next of kin notification process . And get the military resources . More involved in the identification of passenger remains . That requires a rule prohibiting lawyers. From contacting families within thirty days of an accident. Similar to the rule that now applies to the members of the Florida bar . It makes clear that airlines can go beyond them in a minimum requirements in this act. And do more than is required to help the families . As many airlines say they do now . It is important to emphasize that the responsibility for notifying families of the death of a loved one. Remains with the airline. They're the only ones in a position to verify the accuracy of the passenger manifest. However the bill gives families another option . If the airline is slow in providing that if occasion . They could now go to the N.T.S.B. or the Red Cross for information. The airline would have to turn over its best available passenger list . To the N.T.S.B. . Or the Red Cross. Immediately upon request . The N.T.S.B. of the Red Cross could then tell the family . Whether or not their loved one was on the list and explain. The limitations on the accuracy of the list. At our hearing two weeks ago the families. Enthusiastically supported this bill . And the airline. Witnesses testified that they could live with it. This legislation will help to minimize the suffering of those who lose . Who lose loved ones in airline tragedies. And I certainly want to thank Mr Duncan Mr Oberstar Mr Le Pen's he and others Mr La Hood. Mrs Danner. For their help in crafting this legislation. I also want to thank the following family representatives who played important and very constructive roles in the formulation of this legislation . Doug Smith. President of the National Air Disaster Alliance . Victoria Cummock of the Pan Am one hundred three families . Richard Kessler. Who lost his wife in the Value Jet crash . And Cynthia Cox from one tours Hill. Pennsylvania. Who lost her daughter. In the T.V. a tragedy. And I would urge strong support for this legislation . And reserve the balance of my time. John reserves of ounces time the gentleman from Illinois Mr Pinsky. Thank you Mr Speaker Mr Speaker I yield myself whatever time I may consume. I rise and strong support of H.R.. Thirty nine twenty three the aviation disaster Family Assistance Act of one nine hundred ninety six.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Family Assistance Act of one nine hundred ninety six. I am pleased to be a…

    Family Assistance Act of one nine hundred ninety six. I am pleased to be a co-sponsor of this important legislation . As

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    MR. LIPINSKI

    a result of the hearings the subcommittee on aviation held on the…

    a result of the hearings the subcommittee on aviation held on the treatment of families. After aviation accidents. It was generally recognized that there are improvements that must be made to ensure that family. Interests are better. Address . The legislation introduced by Chairman Schuster takes significant steps in that direction. Quire and the National Transportation Safety Board . To designate a director of Family Support Services as well as designating him in the pendant. Organization such as the Red Cross to provide critical support. To the families . As this bill has moved through the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. I have consistently. Expressed my concern with the burden we are placing on the N.T.S.B. These are ready . Then resources. This is something we must keep a close eye on. As we consider N.T.S.B. funding. In the future . I have also expressed concern with the notification aspect of this . bill I have strongly. Very strongly advocated notifying families in person . And I am pleased that this legislation . Encourages personal. Notification to the extent. Practicable. But I also understand that in many cases . Families are learning of accidents on television . And that in person notification . Can never be accomplished with the speed that the media reports a plane crash . While I am pleased with the steps that this measure takes towards improving the notification system . I will continue to explore ideas to enhance the system. There is no perfect way to handle. Aviation disasters. Our task is to make the process. Both a fish and and compassionate. This bill is a big step towards both. These goals . Mr Speaker I want to commend Chairman Duncan . For his leadership on this legislation. In front of me in or in which he has handled the subcommittee entire hundred fourth Congress . Since I became ranking member of the aviation subcommittee last October. I have been impressed with his commitment to his position . And the manner in which he has treated me in the other members of the subcommittee . I also want to recognize chairman Schuster. A sponsor of this legislation . And of course that this thing which gentleman from Minnesota . The ranking member of the full Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure . Mr Oberstar. But once again I want to return to my very good friend Chairman Duncan and expressed to one and all his outstanding cooperation. It's rare that you have a chairman that involves the ranking members. In the minority members of the subcommittee . In the process that it agreed to Chairman Duncan has and I salute him for doing that . Mr Speaker I support this legislation and I reserve the balance of my time. Jum reserves of bounds of his time the gentleman Pennsylvania. Mr Speaker I yield such time as he might consume to the distinguished chairman of the subcommittee Mr Duncan. Jump from Tennessee is recognized. I think the gentleman for yielding and Mr Speaker I rise in strong support of H.R. thirty nine

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    strong support of H.R. thirty nine twenty three the aviation disaster…

    strong support of H.R. thirty nine twenty three the aviation disaster family assistance act. Let me first congratulate the chairman of the transportation infrastructure committee the gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Schuster for his strong leadership on this very important issue . And let me say

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    Schuster for his strong leadership on this very important issue . And let…

    Schuster for his strong leadership on this very important issue . And let me say

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    Schuster for his strong leadership on this very important issue . And let…

    Schuster for his strong leadership on this very important issue . And let me say not just on this issue but I think the. Chairman Schuster is lead our committee through two of the most active years in the history of that committee and probably in the history of all of the committees in the Congress he has been really outstanding in the chairmen and I think the people that need to know that they have a committee of which I have the privilege of Cherry Hill to have a hearing on this matter on June nineteenth concerning the treatment of families of passengers . Killed in airline accidents. We held a second hearing two weeks ago. And from those hearings I think we have developed some outstanding. Legislation . And certainly interest in this issue has been heightened by the T.W.A. eight hundred tragedy. The value jet to crash and certain other. Terrible accidents that have happened . From our hearing in June we work to develop . H.R. thirty nine twenty three and we did it I'm proud to say. On a bipartisan basis with strong support from our friends the ranking members of the full committee . And the and the subcommittee Mr Oberstar and Mr Lipinski . And let me say that I really deeply appreciate those kind words from Mr Lipinski and I think that that I certainly can echo those words . Back to him because I don't think any subcommittee in the Congress has a chairman and ranking member who have a closer relationship . Than he and I do and we have worked so well together along with the leadership provided by Mr. Oberstar who has been such a who has developed such an expertise in the field of edge of aviation and who has done so much. In this area. In our hearings on this legislation we heard some very terrible and troubling stories such as mass burials of in a den of fat body parts without informing family member something that was very hurtful to these families. The throwing away of personal belongings of victims without notifying the families . Constant harassment by the lawyers and the media and leaving messages about the death of a family member on an answering machine. Several recommendations to correct those problems were brought to our attention by witnesses. At the subcommittees hearing. In June and. Also again. A couple of weeks ago . H.R. thirty nine twenty three would establish a reliable one eight hundred telephone number assigned exclusively to handle. Accident related calls from family members. It establishes the director of Family Support Services position with. Then the National Transportation Safety Board. It provides the N.T.S.B. with the authority to designate a third party. Such as the American Red Cross the Salvation Army or some other. Outstanding organization to be responsible for post trauma communication. And work with families. The bill requires that personal items be returned to family members and to any survivors of an accident. Under the bill each airline is required to submit its Family Assistance Plan. To the Department of Transportation and to the National Transportation Safety Board for approval. And family among other provisions among many other provisions they turn thirty nine twenty three would prohibit . Unsolicited contact of the families by lawyers both plaintiff lawyers and insurance company lawyers. For thirty days . And I'm proud to say that I think the bar has adopted a very responsible position in regard to this and we have a very strong. Letter of endorsement for this provision. From the Association of Trial Lawyers . Of America . Finally . Mr Speaker H.R. twenty thirty nine twenty three will help improve the tremendous coordination that must take place at the inside . It will help improve communication between the family members and those. Assisting family members . My colleagues to support. H.R. thirty nine twenty three so that we can get this legislation over to the Senate. And to the president before the one hundred fourth Congress adjourns. I think this is outstanding legislation that can be proudly supported by all members of this body . I deal back . The my time to the chair and Reserves about the time the general annoy . Mr Speaker I now yield to the granting member of the infrastructure and transportation committee. The former chairman of the Aviation Committee as much time as he may consume the gentleman from Minnesota Mr Oberstar Minnesota's recognized.

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    consume the gentleman from Minnesota Mr Oberstar Minnesota's recognized.

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    MR. LIPINSKI

    Minnesota's recognized. Thank you very much. The speaker and . It was to a…

    Minnesota's recognized. Thank you very much. The speaker and . It was to a Penske I greatly appreciate the. Yeah opportunity to say just a few words on this extremely important measure .

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    To the very great credit of our chairman . Is Schuster. When the aftermath…

    To the very great credit of our chairman . Is Schuster. When the aftermath of.

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    MR. OBERSTAR

    the aftermath of. Valu Jet . We in the committee heard some of the…

    the aftermath of. Valu Jet . We in the committee heard some of the tragedies that have already been related by the chairman and by . Chairman the subcommittee . Mr Duncan. By Mr Pinsky about treatment of the families. Chairman Schuster made a commitment to seize upon this issue. To deal with it . To bring justice and . To build upon the legislation enacted in the aftermath of Pan Am one hundred three . We are here today because of that commitment. I salute our chairman for moving decisively . And bringing this issue to closure in the house and I hope. Closure in the other body. Rapidly. Already . They. Commission headed by Vice President Gore has taken the central element of this legislation incorporated into the vice president's recommendations . Without waiting for legislation to be enacted course and act in the legislation will only reinforce and strengthen. What the Gore Commission has initiated . There are plenty of. Of praise and commendation to go about. Beginning with Chairman Schuster for the leadership that he has demonstrated for the. Genuine caring and sensitive A-T. that he has shown on this issue. To Chairman Duncan also a man of great compassion and. Sensitivity who's devoted a great deal of time and energy to the issues. To Mr Pinsky. Our ranking member who again has spent a great deal time with family members. Hearing their concerns . Addressing those issues working together with Chairman Duncan to resolve . Some of the. Stick your questions and to come up with a piece of legislation that will . Vastly. Enhance the treatment of families. In the aftermath of an air tragedy. Obviously we all hope. Will never have to exercise . The provisions of this legislation . But we also know that . Tragedies happen . In aviation . For one or another cause . We need to be prepared the F.A.A. needs to be prepared the D.O.T.. The airlines have to be prepared. This legislation which will put a framework around preparedness . To deal with these tragedies in the future so that never again will a family member. Have to agonize. Waiting for information . Not know where to call. Be given a blocked. Treatment or no information . Whatever. Worst of all . Outside the confines of the committee. Vicki Cummock. Who lost her husband in Pan Am one hundred three as. Proven to be a champion. On behalf of. Family members and she has counseled in the case of many subsequent air tragedies and helped us formulate this legislation. George Williams . The leader of the. Of another group of families of the victims of Pan Am one hundred three. Provided great insight. Bill Casler. Has with his tragic experience of losing his wife in the. Valu Jet tragedy has provided great. Compassionate insight . And I'd like to also mention a woman from my district. Lorelei Valeri who lost her father . In a tragic crash . Six miles from my home . In Chisholm Minnesota. And I know that commuter aircraft crashed into a hillside. For want of a ground proximity warning system. Who experience many of these similar problems. Notification. Treatment of the families. In the aftermath of a tragedy. This legislation takes a big step forward . The bill specifies that its provisions do not prohibit airlines. From providing families . Victims' families with additional support beyond what is provided in the framework of this legislation . It does require that all airlines regardless of the size of their fleet. Have disaster response plans on file with the Department of Transportation. The bill does not require that the plan be approved as part of the carrier's operations. Specifications . That would be my preference . I believe however that if we included such a requirement . Notwithstanding that it would improve the bill it might also impede its chances for action . There will be an effort to develop a model plan. When such a model plan is developed. I believe the D.O.T. should give strong consideration to promulgating regulations. To require that at least the contents of the model plan. Be included in each carrier's own individual airline . Response Plan . That's an issue that. I'm going to be watching very closely. There may come a time when we need to take a tougher approach . On these response plans than we are taking in this bill. This bill is a good step in the right direction. And I just simply put the airlines on notice . And the D.O.T. on notice. And we mean business in this committee on this issue . Will not tolerate inaction. Or lack of compliance with the spirit of this legislation. I urge strong support. Wholehearted unanimous vote in favor of this legislation. Page overwhelming. Passage of this legislation today and. With its passage . It will mark the eighth. Piece of aviation . Legislation which this body. Has overwhelmingly passed and sent to our colleagues in the other body.

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    MR. SHUSTER

    Unfortunately they have not acted yet. On any of those pieces of…

    Unfortunately they have not acted yet. On any of those pieces of legislation of the seven that we've sent over the. The one that had the poorest vote showing. Was a vote of three hundred eighty nine to twenty two. So I think that demonstrates the extraordinary . Overwhelming bipartisan support for the aviation. Measures which this. Body has passed and sent to the other body. So it's my hope that in the waning days of this Congress. Our colleagues on the other side of the Capitol will indeed. Move these very very important pieces of aviation legislation not the least of which is this very important family bill that's before us today. And with that I'm pleased to yield two minutes . To this thing which vice chairman of the Aviation Subcommittee the gentleman from Illinois Mr Weller Jumma Mr well as recognized for two minutes. Thank you Mr Chairman and spirit of bipartisanship I rise and strong support of this bipartisan bill . This legislation responds to the police that we all heard from families at the aviation subcommittee hearings in June and again on September fifth . And our

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    and again on September fifth . And our

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    MR. WELLER

    subcommittee markup the bill was revised reflects some of the concerns are…

    subcommittee markup the bill was revised reflects some of the concerns are raised by the families the airlines and the Red Cross. Specifically the bill requires in T.S.P. to designate an employee to act as a point of contact with the families within the federal government. And as a liaison between the airline and the families. The N.T.S.B. is also directed to designated independent nonprofit organization. For example the Red Cross . To address some of the emotional needs. Called upon by the families. H.R. thirty nine twenty three sets out in some detail the responsibilities of the. T.S.B.. The Red Cross and the airlines. It's very important to note that the airlines will continue to be responsible for notifying the families of the death of a loved one. However the bill also requires that the passenger list be turned over to the National Transportation Safety Board the N.T.S.B. and the Red Cross if requested . So that families will someone else to turn to the airline notification process is too slow. As we all know Mr Chairman there are too many complaints from families about the Value Jet Tito B.A. crashers. But these complaints did not originate with these accidents similar problems have been brewing for many years. Going back to K.L. seven . Flight and Pan Am one hundred three are here in June chairman Schuster committed to the families that we would develop legislation in response to their concerns . This bill. A bipartisan bill fulfills that commitment. But we never could have done it without the. Bipartisan cooperation input of the ranking members Mr Oberstar Mistral of Penske. Whose experience of viewpoint made them invaluable partners in this process . Also white command Chairman Duncan . And note that. Mr La Hood Mrs Danner also made significant contributions to this bill. I do want to point out Mr Chairman this bill has broad based bipartisan support we have over forty. Co-sponsors. So in short Mr Chairman I think we have a good. Well balanced thoughtful piece of legislation . I urge bipartisan support . Thank you Mr Chairman I yield back the balance of my time . Jump Pennsylvania reserves a bounce was time the gentleman Illinois. Mr Speaker I yield back the balance of my time. Jump when all you expect balance of his time is Gentleman from here I yield back the balance of my time . All time has expired then the question is will the house suspend the rules and pass the bill H.R.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    then the question is will the house suspend the rules and pass the bill…

    then the question is will the house suspend the rules and pass the bill H.R. three nine two three outs as amended . So monies are in

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    MR. LIPINSKI

    as amended . So monies are in

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    . So monies are in favor say aye aye . Those opposed say no.

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    MR. SHUSTER

    I request they have a recorded vote on this matter and pity of the chair…

    I request they have a recorded vote on this matter and pity of the chair two thirds of those present have been voted in the firm or to the number who Illinois .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    have been voted in the firm or to the number who Illinois . I request a…

    have been voted in the firm or to the number who Illinois . I request a recorded vote on this piece of legislation.

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    MR. LIPINSKI

    John asked for the yeas and nays I ask for the yeas and nays Yes . All in…

    John asked for the yeas and nays I ask for the yeas and nays Yes . All in favor of days and days will rise.

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    rise. Obviously a sufficient number have risen.

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    MR. LIPINSKI

    Days and days are ordered pursuant to Clause five of rule one. The chairs

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    prior announcement . For the proceedings on this motion will be postponed .

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    postponed .

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    . The gentleman from Pennsylvania for purposes the riser Mr Speaker I move…

    . The gentleman from Pennsylvania for purposes the riser Mr Speaker I move to suspend the rules and pass a bill H.R.. Twenty nine forty. The deep water port Modernization Act as amended . The current report to title the bill. Uniontown number three sixty H.R. twenty nine forty a bill to amend the deep water port act of nine hundred seventy four . Pursuant to

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    MR. SHUSTER

    deep water port act of nine hundred seventy four . Pursuant to the rule of…

    deep water port act of nine hundred seventy four . Pursuant to the rule of the gentleman Pennsylvania Mr Schuester in the gentleman Pennsylvania Mr.

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    Each will control twenty minutes. The chair recognizes the gentleman from…

    Each will control twenty minutes. The chair recognizes the gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Schuester.

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    THE CLERK

    Mr Schuester. Mr Speaker in order to accommodate my friend from New York…

    Mr Schuester. Mr Speaker in order to accommodate my friend from New York I'm pleased to first recognize that distinguished chairman of the subcommittee Mr Bowler for such time as he might consume.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    distinguished chairman of the subcommittee Mr Bowler for such time as he…

    distinguished chairman of the subcommittee Mr Bowler for such time as he might consume. John from New York is recognized. I think the distinguished chairman for yielding. I

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    MR. SHUSTER

    rise this morning in strong support of this bipartisan legislation . To…

    rise this morning in strong support of this bipartisan legislation . To improve the way we manage and promote the use of. Deep water ports . Unfortunately only one deepwater port has been constructed since the passage of the original one nine hundred seventy four deepwater ports act.

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    of the original one nine hundred seventy four deepwater ports act.

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    MR. BOEHLERT

    of the original one nine hundred seventy four deepwater ports act. The…

    of the original one nine hundred seventy four deepwater ports act. The loop. Facility. Off the coast of Louisiana . Deep water ports. Make environmental and transportation safety sense . And with the passage of this measure . Deep water ports will make economic sense by loading super tankers . Laden with oil and deep offshore waters. We can dramatically decrease the likelihood of catastrophic oil spills. Like we have witnessed. On both the Pacific coast. And most recently . Off the coast of Rhode Island. The Louisiana delegation has long. Realize the benefits of deep water ports . And has taken the lead in developing H R twenty nine forty. Congressman Hayes has been especially effective in educating the members of the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee . On the merits of deep water ports deepwater ports will become increasingly important . As traffic entering our nation's ports . Continue to grow. This legislation has been developed with a . Pensive. Import from transportation and environmental interest . And I am confident that this measure reflects the best ideas. Of both of these very important constituencies. We should be doing more to promote the use of deep water ports. And this legislation. Is a huge step in the right direction . As we enter the next century it would be my hope that we could develop deep water ports for The Atlantic and Pacific coast as well. I urge all of my colleagues to support the passage of this deep water port matter is ation act. I thank the ranking member of our subcommittee Mr board ski for his cooperation . I thank the distinguished chairman of the full committee Mr Schuester for his leadership . And the ranking member of the full committee Mr Oberstar. For his partnership . Together. We're moving important legislation. To serve the balance made to jump Pennsylvania reserves about his time. John from Pennsylvania Mr Speaker I yield myself such time as I may consume . I was Speaker I rise in strong support of H.R. twenty nine forty. The deep water port Modernization Act which will help streamline the layers of regulation. That

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    of regulation. That applied to deep water ports. Despite the ever growing…

    of regulation. That applied to deep water ports. Despite the ever growing thirst in this country for imported oil . There is currently

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    MR. BORSKI

    . There is currently only one deep water port operating. And that port.…

    . There is currently only one deep water port operating. And that port. The loop facility in Louisiana. Is only operating at sixty percent of its capacity to change is contained in a chart twenty nine forty should make it easier for people reports to compete against other shipping options . Which do not face the same complex web of regulations. With passage of H.R. twenty nine forty. Coordinated licenses and operation manuals. Will streamline the process. I want to emphasize that a provision and introduce a bill that would have allowed . A relaxation of environmental Monnerie for deep water ports. Has been removed . Through addressed serious concerns about it. H.R. twenty nine forty contains only modest changes to existing law. Hopefully these changes will be enough to provide the springboard for more widespread use of the reports . For oil imports. That was envisioned by the deep water port. Act of one nine hundred seventy four. During the past three years the daily average of seven hundred thousand barrels of oil. Have passed through the forty eight inch pipeline . That links the Louisiana Offshore Oil Port . Eighteen miles off the Louisiana coast. Through its inland storage terminal . Loop is the offloading point for about twelve percent of the nation's oil imports. With the passage of this bill. And is today sions oil imports increase. Loop and other proposed deep water ports should be used on a greater scale . H.R. twenty nine forty is a sensible. Streamlining of regulations for an efficient means of meeting our nation's need for imported oil. I believe very strongly Mr Speaker . That we should be working to reduce the demand for imported oil. Our nation cannot maintain its position as a global power. If we continue to increase our demand for foreign oil on a virtually unlimited basis. However until we begin to turn our oil import policy around. That the use of people reports make sense or support of H.R. twenty nine forty the deep water port Modernization Act. I reserve the balance Mike Junge reserves of bounce it was time. Gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Schuester. Mr Speaker I yield myself such as time I might consume. And I would urge strong support for this legislation which is bipartisan . And updates and improves the deep water port Act of one thousand nine hundred four .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Representative Jimmie Hayes along with other colleagues introduced this…

    Representative Jimmie Hayes along with other colleagues introduced this legislation . Back in

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    MR. SHUSTER

    . Back in February. Our Committee held hearings and worked with all the…

    . Back in February. Our Committee held hearings and worked with all the interested parties . To craft this legislation. And some respects . The seventy four act is work very well. However there is a clear need to modernize and improve this act in several areas which have already been outlined. The committee report on this legislation. Contains at the tail description of the bill . And of the committee's intent. Finally let me thank the ranking Democrat of the committee. Jim Oberstar. The chairman and ranking member the Water Resources and Environment Subcommittee. Sherry Boehlert and Bob or ski. And the chairman and ranking member of the Coast Guard Maritime Transportation Subcommittee. Howard Coble and Bob Clement . They've been very instrumental in moving this important legislation . And I would urge strong support. Reserve the balance of my time. Jum reserves abounds as time the gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Dorsey Speaker I yield three minutes now to the distinguished gentleman from Tennessee the ranking member the coastguard committee Mr Clement. John from Tennessee is recognized for three minutes .

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    .

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    prohibit. It's the deepwater

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    the environment . Then.

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    MR. CLEMENT

    the environment . Then. Lingering crude oil. Between two floating tankers…

    the environment . Then. Lingering crude oil. Between two floating tankers . I am hopeful that . H R twenty nine forty will make the loop deepwater port facility. More cost efficient . And promote the construction of other deepwater ports . In the United States. My colleagues to support the passage of H.R. twenty nine forty that deepwater port Modernization Act. And so many reserves of balances time the gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Schuster. A misspeak or on. Please feel such time as you may consume . To the distinguished gentleman from Louisiana has been a prime mover of this legislation . The Honorable

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Jimmy Hayes gentle Oisin Mr Hayes is recognized.

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    MR. SHUSTER

    I wish to think both sides of the aisle. In the room as well as in the…

    I wish to think both sides of the aisle. In the room as well as in the committee. And to briefly repeat the argument . That was made

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . That was made that as a consequence of our energy dependent. We have the…

    . That was made that as a consequence of our energy dependent. We have the extraordinary circumstance where America is now looking at more than half of its energy needs.

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    MR. HAYES

    now looking at more than half of its energy needs. Coming from the region…

    now looking at more than half of its energy needs. Coming from the region in the world that is most unstable . So that even with a small skirmish in the northern part of one country . The price of a barrel of oil moves. Up almost thirty percent . This just cannot be acceptable. As future energy policy. And connection with what the House has done earlier. And recognizing. Additional production that can be gained through advanced technology. On our Outer Continental Shelf . It then becomes a simple question . To understand what is the most environmentally efficient way to try to reduce energy dependence . As well as to make sure that those folks in Pennsylvania in the northeast as well as my home in the Gulf Coast. Are able to plan their future needs based upon a price of energy. That allows them to lead their daily lives. The answer is we've got to increase the ability to move these ports. Whenever they give you a quote in a national news media about the price of oil . They don't tell you the cost to get it to the pump. And you begin looking at tens of thousands of miles in movement each and every year. You understand that all of that cost is added on as opposed to shallow and deep. Offshore. With much smaller distances to move. The environmental dangers. Elevate with every mile that a tanker moves. And therefore energy dependence on the Middle East. Also means . Environmentalists concerns and fears at a higher and higher level . And finally. To my knowledge no one in this place that keeps a notebook and a report on just about every subject. Has ever calculated the cost of our military presence in a region that we defend. Almost solely because of its energy production capability that we are so dependent upon. I wonder what the cost would be of the price of a barrel of oil in the Middle East. If you put on the line. All of those military personnel out traffic areas and up one seven hundred eighty S.. That make that security hopefully dependent. But immediate future . With that in mind. I want to again thank my colleagues on both sides of the aisle. This is the right thing. The only existing facility in Louisiana. And Louisiana is doing the right thing in helping to ensure the. Energy independence . Of America's future . For Pennsylvania. And the rest of the nation. Thank you Mr Chairman. John from Pennsylvania shews reserves a bouncer's time gentleman Pennsylvania Mr Barsky speaker at this point I want to yield three minutes to the distinguished ranking member of the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee to gentleman from Minnesota. Mr Oberstar. John from Minnesota Mr over stars recognized for three minutes.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    three minutes. Thank you a speaker and thank you Mr Morris. This bill has…

    three minutes. Thank you a speaker and thank you Mr Morris. This bill has a broad consensus . Now

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    MR. BORSKI

    a broad consensus . Now . And should pass. It was not always solved. At…

    a broad consensus . Now . And should pass. It was not always solved. At the outset. When the legislation was first proposed to revitalize the.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    first proposed to revitalize the.

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    MR. OBERSTAR

    revitalize the. Louisiana Offshore Oil Port. And to revitalize the…

    revitalize the. Louisiana Offshore Oil Port. And to revitalize the legislation the basic underlying law itself . There was considerable environmental concern. And vigorous opposition in fact. There was there were concerns expressed by the Department of Transportation wanted to maintain a very strong regulatory hold on this legislation and those concerns came to my attention . I discussed these matters with our chairman . And with the chairman and I missed Schuster and chairman of the subcommittee Mr Boehlert. Was the Mr Barsky and. We set about on our side to resolve within our Democratic ranks the. Outstanding issues. Brought in environmental groups . Brought in the Department of Transportation heard them out. Came up with proposals which I think were well received by the majority we worked out a very fine bipartisan solution. Say that because I have a piece of legislation pending. In the other body. That is not receiving the same kind of comedy. And I would hope that the . Leading supporters of this legislation . And the other body would extend the same comedy to. Concerns House members have about issues that are in intensely . Of concern to the people in their district. This legislation is going to benefit not only Louisiana Offshore Oil Port but all future possible deepwater ports by allowing ports to become more competitive . Be more efficient . And to do so in a in a safe . Environmentally safe. Regime . And economic considerations that would advance the cause of energy efficiency . Keep the cost of imported energy within reach and to keep our. U.S. ports competitive. We can do those things we work together on a sound bipartisan constructive basis to look at what is best for the overall interest of the country . I urge. Same kind of comedy . From our colleagues in the other body . And had been my intention to obstruct the passage of this legislation by asking for recorded vote but I'll not do that. Out of respect for our chairman not respect for the merits of the issue and. And in hopes that that we get the attention of our colleagues across the way. And you'll back balance one time. Gentleman from Pennsylvania reserves the bounds of time gentlemen Pennsylvania Mr Schuester. Mr Speaker I want to assure my friend from Minnesota that. As he knows I am very well aware of the. Important legislation that he's referring to in the other body and he knows we've already expressed our strong support for his legislation and.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    expressed our strong support for his legislation and.

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    MR. SHUSTER MR. SHUSTER

    This legislation while I expect will pass the House overwhelmingly today .…

    This legislation while I expect will pass the House overwhelmingly today . Of course . What happens as we go to conference is a question mark . And that question could be answered in the affirmative or the negative. Based on the comedy. Which we know are good friends on the other body . Are likely to give to us . And with that I have no further. Requests for time. I have no further requests for time and you're back to be able to jump from Pennsylvania back to balance of time I yield back the balance of my time and John from Pennsylvania Mr Schuester yields back a balance of his time . The question is will the house suspend the rules and pass the bill H.R. two nine four zero as amended . So many years

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    MR. BORSKI

    as amended . So many years are in favor will say aye.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    aye. Those opposed . No.

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    MR. SHUSTER

    Any opinion the chair two thirds of those present.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    thirds of those present. Having voted in the affirmative . The rules are…

    thirds of those present. Having voted in the affirmative . The rules are suspended the bill is passed and without objection the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. Gentleman from Pennsylvania what purpose I think arise. Mr Speaker I move to suspend the rules and pass the bill H.R. thirty three forty eight . The snow removal Policy Act of one nine hundred ninety six as an end. The cork or port the title of the bill H.R. thirty three forty eight. A bill to direct the president to establish standards . And

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    MR. SHUSTER

    establish standards . And criteria for the provision of major disaster and…

    establish standards . And criteria for the provision of major disaster and emergency assistance and response to snow related events.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    For sort of the rule the gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Schuester and the…

    For sort of the rule the gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Schuester and the gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr board. Each

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    THE CLERK

    gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr board. Each will control twenty minutes.…

    gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr board. Each will control twenty minutes. The chair recognizes John Pennsylvania Mr Schuester was just figure you know myself such time as I might consume.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Mr Speaker the blizzard of one thousand nine hundred six weapon across…

    Mr Speaker the blizzard of one thousand nine hundred six weapon across twelve states in the District of Columbia . Threatening the lives of thousands of individuals . At the time . There were those who

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    MR. SHUSTER

    . There were those who said that the federal response to the crisis . Was…

    . There were those who said that the federal response to the crisis . Was haphazard in Pennsylvania . I must report that I was pleased with the response of both the Department of Transportation and fema but that feeling has not been universal. And indeed there has been substantial criticism. H.R. thirty three forty eight simply requires Fema to set a coherent policy for responding to snow events. So that the federal assistance will be more uniform . And fair . Mr Quinn. Of New York has been the leader in bringing this to our attention . He points out it's a bipartisan effort however. With more than half of the twenty five co-sponsors. Being Democrats including Mr Traffick can't Mr mascara. Mr Norton Mr Stupak Mr wrangle. Mr Towns. Mr Lowy. And Mr Kildee . Fema has had the authority to provide assistance to clear roads in the event of Senate . Severe snowstorms. Since one nine hundred eighty eight. When it got that. Authority Fema has responded to snowstorms in three winners . And each year the total assistance was well under one million dollars. This legislation does not expand the authority. But does require a consistent policy . And the Congressional Budget Office. Office agrees that this will not result in significant . New costs. For all of these. Reasons . I would urge my colleagues. To support this legislation I the reserve balance of my time. To German reserves a balance of his time to jump from Pennsylvania . Speaker I yield myself such time as they consume and I as unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks. Without objection. Speaker H.R. thirty three forty eight demonstrates the lasting impact of the blizzard of one thousand nine hundred six . When cities throughout

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    one thousand nine hundred six . When cities throughout the Northeast were…

    one thousand nine hundred six . When cities throughout the Northeast were faced with unprecedented snow removal cost. My own

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    MR. BORSKI

    snow removal cost. My own city of Philadelphia run up a bill of eleven…

    snow removal cost. My own city of Philadelphia run up a bill of eleven million dollars for snow removal. For

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    eleven million dollars for snow removal. For

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    MR. BORSKI

    which we received federal mean reimbursement. Of four million dollars.…

    which we received federal mean reimbursement. Of four million dollars. Many other cities . From the Canadian border to our nation's capital had. Equally staggering cost. For which they were totally unprepared . These cities looked at the Federal Emergency Management Agency for help . And many were disappointed with themas response . Fema which has done an outstanding job under Director James Lee Witt . Is currently working on a snow removal policy. Which is scheduled to be released in draft form . On October first . There are some complicated issues involved in this rule making. As we were shown by the ranking member of the Transportation Infrastructure Committee. The gentleman from Minnesota Mr Oberstar . During our subcommittee hearing on this bill last week. Mr Speaker I want to emphasize the tremendous job . That Mr Witt has done a theme that I have been involved in the oversight of famous for several years. And it is clear that he has turned this agency around under a director which. There is an unprecedented level of professionalism and response of this . After earlier disasters there were numerous complaints about themas lack of response. We do not hear complaints about lack of response and is directed to thema. Under director with. It's because of Mr Witt's outstanding performance of thema his understanding of the need to state and local governments and his experience in dealing with disasters that I have full confidence in his ability to issue a fair policy. On snow removal. In fact. H.R. thirty three forty eight. Does no more than tell thema to issue a policy. It does not direct. What that policy should be . Ranking member of the Subcommittee on what are resources. I will be working with thema to make sure. The snow removal policy meets the needs of the entire nation. The problems faced by Philadelphia and other northeastern cities. Must be addressed in a fair and consistent manner. Thema is in a process of issuing its policy in less than two weeks . And I look forward to seeing the proposals and Mr Speaker I reserve the balance of my time . John reserves the balance of his time the gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Schuester. Mr Speaker I want to associate myself with the remarks of my friend from Pennsylvania and praising. James Lee Witt. And his leadership theme I think he has brought a very very substantial improvements. To that agency . And I'm pleased

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    not a yield such times you make. Soon. To the distinguished member who has…

    not a yield such times you make. Soon. To the distinguished member who has really provided the leadership in moving this legislation forward . The distinguished

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    MR. SHUSTER

    in moving this legislation forward . The distinguished gentleman from New…

    in moving this legislation forward . The distinguished gentleman from New York Mr Quinn. General of New York Mr Quinn is recognized. Thank you Mr Speaker . I'd like to begin by thanking chairman Schuster and subcommittee chair Boehlert for their assistance in moving this legislation forward and begin associate my remarks with Mr Barsky and chairman Schuster and others that Mr Wood has done a fantastic job at fema.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    chairman Schuster and others that Mr Wood has done a fantastic job at…

    chairman Schuster and others that Mr Wood has done a fantastic job at fema. The purpose of our legislation as we've said from the beginning.

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    MR. QUINN

    legislation as we've said from the beginning. Is to move in the right…

    legislation as we've said from the beginning. Is to move in the right direction. This is also an opportunity for me to acknowledge and to thank Congressman Bart Stupak who has worked as an advocate of this legislation on the other side of the aisle as well as the others mentioned in Mr Schuster is opening remarks. Mr David Rod I'm the president elect of the National Emergency Managers Association for his early support. And especially the water resources subcommittee staff . Who are great help in promoting this bipartisan measure. From the beginning. Mr Speaker I introduced this legislation earlier this year in the interest of developing a new. Clear concise . Snow removal policy. Last year as we mentioned in cities and towns. In my district like Buffalo and. Lackawanna Cheektowaga West Seneca Lang Castor . All of those towns and cities endured. Thirty six inches of snow . In less than twenty four hours . When I tried to find help for these communities. I ran into an astonishing maze of bureaucracy . It seemed that no one could give me a straight answer as to whether these towns and cities would be eligible for any kind of assistance . And I know that some of you are thinking that. Mr Quinn you're from Buffalo and it snows in Buffalo. You ought to expect it. And we do expect that. But as I discovered no city. Not even Buffalo New York can prepare for a storm. Of that proportion. In any budget. Or with any amount of planning. I'm proud of what we were able to accomplish. In Buffalo as a community. To get ourselves out of that terrible mess. It might have taken other cities weeks to clean up the buffalo and western New York that our traffic bands and our travel advisories lifted. Within three days . Regardless of how much you prepare . Going into a winter season a storm such as the one we experienced in the northeast. And the mid Atlantic region. States last winter cannot be accounted for in any budget. We work with. New York Governor Pataki and the National Emergency Managers Association . To clarify the federal snow removal policy. And to help our communities cut through the bureaucratic red tape . The purpose Mr Speaker of this legislation . Is to reduce the confusion. The ambiguity. And the lack of criteria we dealt with over this past winter. The bill promotes a clear concise and simple plan that will benefit. Everyone from the Congress . To fema. To our local communities. Our thoughts and prayers go out to those people along the East Coast. Who were recently devastated by Hurricane Fran. Hurricane Fran illustrated why we as a nation. Must reach out to help our fellow Americans inflicted with natural disasters such as earthquakes. Fires floods tornadoes and hurricanes . Fema has a definitive policy . And guidelines in place. To deal with all of those natural disasters. Currently in their regulation. There is no discernible federal. Snow emergency policy. The blizzards we face across the nation pose no threat to our lives and property. And those of the other terrible disasters. Clear cut trigger points would let states and local governments. Determine whether an emergency declaration. Is warranted or not and to what extent the federal government would be involved. I believe Mr Speaker and others who have co-sponsored and supported the bill that this is an opportunity for us as federal legislators . To provide meaningly. Meaningful help to our constituencies . In closing Mr Speaker in these times of tight budgets. Where all of us have been asked to make tough decisions . On the allocation of funds . The supporters of this legislation . Are not looking for a handout . The legislation is only a straightforward attempt to come up with a policy that will assist our communities in understanding the federal government's policy concerning snow removal . Our local mayors have asked for our help. And our governors have asked for our help. Let's do something to help our local leaders. This legislation does not create more government bureaucracy. This is an attempt to make the government regulations we have already in place . More understandable. I want to conclude by making two points perfectly clear Mr Speaker the first . Is that fema. Who has done a great job has had nearly six months to. Issue and to clarify these regulations. And secondly this legislation does not ask Fema to expand the scope of the federal involvement in snow emergencies. It simply asked fema. To clarify the policy. That emergency managers . In our district can understand them a little better. I believe the bill is an example of. Responsible good government . And I urge my colleagues to vote yes on H.R.. Thirty three forty eight . I reserve the balance of my time. Pennsylvania reserves the bounds of this time the general. Pennsylvania Mr Speaker at this point I'm pleased to yield four minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Michigan Mr Stupak who is a prime sponsor of the bill on our side of the. John from Michigan mistress' to Packer's recognized for four minutes . Thank you and

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    I think the gentleman for yielding. Mr Speaker H.R. thirty three forty…

    I think the gentleman for yielding. Mr Speaker H.R. thirty three forty eight is an extremely important bipartisan piece of legislation . For those that

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    MR. BORSKI

    important bipartisan piece of legislation . For those that ascends and…

    important bipartisan piece of legislation . For those that ascends and communities experience difficult winter. Year

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    after year . In my district which includes the Upper Peninsula of Michigan…

    after year . In my district which includes the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and a northern section of the Lower Peninsula .

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    section of the Lower Peninsula . Residents endured snow for eight…

    section of the Lower Peninsula . Residents endured snow for eight consecutive months last winter and I had the last Friday the first snow flakes of this winter. Fell . Once again in my area. In my district. We recorded. A total snow accumulation of three hundred twenty one inches or nearly twenty seven feet. If you can imagine for a moment. The level of snow would completely buried a typical two story family home . And would nearly reach the ceiling. Of this. House chamber . Whether the cause of the disaster is flooding fire. Hurricane . Like the recent devastation in North Carolina caused by Hurricane Fran. Or still. We gauge the impact of a weather event in terms of the number of people in effect and the magnitude of its financial impact . The winter of ninety five ninety six was not a single storm. But rather a series of record breaking storms . The total accumulation of record breaking snow falls . Pushed road. Road crews and local communities to the brink of financial disaster. The financial have act these storms wreaked on my district . Will be felt for years to come. The storm called snow and flood damage. To rolled and. Structures. Curtailed agricultural planting. Delayed home building and tourism and induced other detrimental. Personal and financial. Effects. As a result. Local communities in northern Michigan face budget overruns of at least ten million dollars . Many local governments do not have the reserves to tap for this type of unexpected disaster. They must increase their taxes cut their community programs and services. Or even curtail role repair and maintenance. Causing layoffs and other future community or regional hardship . The story. Move a Policy Act will finally clarify themas regulations regarding small related. Related emergencies giving communities the opportunities for relief from Winter's violent and deadly storms. I want to emphasize however that despite the clarification . In these guidelines. No federal assistance can be provided . If the governor of the state does not make a request for. Financial or. Disaster aid. Regardless of the nature or the extent of any natural disaster. That he says. To ask for federal help . Would remain with the state's chief executive. The winter of one thousand nine hundred three in one thousand nine hundred four. My district receive financial help from fema. I am pleased with that response . But this legislation is needed. So there is no further delay in putting forth these guidelines. Mr Speaker I want to offer my thinks to my distinguished colleagues. Mr Boehlert of New York. Mr board Mr Schuester. And Mr Oberstar. For their assistance and guidance on this legislation . I want to especially thank my friend. Mr Quinn. For sponsoring this important bipartisan legislation. And working with me on it . Mr Speaker . I urge the passage of H.R. thirty three forty eight . And I yield back the balance of my time. Jennifer in Pennsylvania reserves a bounce of his time . The gentleman from Pennsylvania at this time I'm happy to yield. As much time as you may consume to the distinguished ranking member of the committee and gentlemen The knows a thing or two about snow I'm self Mr Oberstar.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Oberstar. The gentleman from Minnesota Mr Oberstar is recognized thank the…

    Oberstar. The gentleman from Minnesota Mr Oberstar is recognized thank the speaker I thank the judge Pennsylvania . As we two on

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    MR. SHUSTER

    the other side of Lake Superior . Have a lot of snow in the range of one…

    the other side of Lake Superior . Have a lot of snow in the range of one hundred thirty two hundred forty inches a year for the gentleman from Michigan gets the benefit of the prevailing wind passing over the thirty thousand square miles of Lake Superior .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    passing over the thirty thousand square miles of Lake Superior .

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    MR. OBERSTAR

    thirty thousand square miles of Lake Superior . And dumping the excess…

    thirty thousand square miles of Lake Superior . And dumping the excess moisture on the Upper Peninsula . I think that the. The federal policy on snow removal. In disaster assistance situations . Should be clarified . And Fema is moving to do that. I don't think this legislation is necessary. In just three weeks Fema in their testimony before our committee . Committed by October one to have a in N P R M A notice of proposed rulemaking published. Available in the Federal Register . Complete the sixty day comment period . And have a final rule in place by mid December. In time for the snow season. I think that's quite fair . And I think that the agency is moving along . Appropriately and there will be plenty of time for comment on their regulations . It does doesn't seem necessary to legislate. What the agency is already doing I understand the argument that this is a push this is a nudge this is a shove if you will from the Congress. to Fema to stay on track and do their job. But frankly I'm I'm really concerned about disaster creep . We're seeing the spread of. Federal responsibility to more and more. Types of situations that can be call Orkin somehow . Qualify as disasters and . Most of these calls come from. State government. From local government to preach to the federal government. Balance your budget we hear this from the governors all the time. Balance your budget federal government . But then as soon as they have an earthquake a tornado or hurricane . And heavy snow. They got their hand out to the federal government come in and bail us out . But in the years when they don't have her. Or tornadoes I don't see them coming back to the federal government say. Here's a down payment for your good will on helping us out in the times of disaster . So we've had case of snow I mean. Snow is different from hurricanes. They come with some says suddenness and unpredictability. Earthquakes come with great unpredictability . On the northern country. We know the glacier retreated ten thousand years ago. And that every December it makes a return. Appearance. Or at least a return effort. And we're prepared for it and I can understand when there is an occasional extraordinary event a multi-state . Occurrence . That dumps. Unprecedented amounts of snow in and the economy is disrupted. Travel is interrupted. For long periods of time . That makes a case for what Fema is doing trying to develop a common policy . But. I'm just concerned that this legislative push . Is moving us into ever more responsibility in ever greater expenditures and outlays of. Of extraordinary amounts of. Federal funds and. Someone may may think that's strange coming from one who has advocated increasing our investment in infrastructure by I think that's where we need to put those investments and to be . To make our economy more efficient. So . I just . Say my piece expressed my concern. Set a mark out there for those governors and. And local government officials who come to Washington preaching to us about balance your budget but help us out when we have a problem . To understand the broader responsibilities of the federal government and. To to shoulder more and more of their own financial obligations under circumstances . Of this kind. I think we need to be careful about the expansion of federal disaster policies . I think that we can and we shall watch very closely famous. Commitment to. Promulgating the N.P.R.M. on to over one and getting the final roll out in December and. I would join with the. With the chairman. In any initiative needed to prod them along that route. I just wish we didn't have to move on on. Legislation but I'll certainly not stand in its way and then. And I appreciate the. Cooperative spirit that we've had with the majority in scheduling hearings and. Airing the issue of bringing these matters forth . And I understand the genuine concerns of our colleague from upstate New York a gentleman from Michigan and others who have concerns about snow removal policy and the application of the disaster system. Rules and I yield back the balance of my time to speaker. John reserve the balance of time the gentleman in Pennsylvania Mr Schuester Speaker I yield one minute to distinguish chairman the Water Research Subcommittee Mr Boehlert . I think you are feeling I'm going to just one minute. Particular credit to my colleagues . New York. Congressman Quinn for his leadership and this issue.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    his leadership and this issue. When Mother nature rears her ugly head…

    his leadership and this issue. When Mother nature rears her ugly head whether it is an earthquake on the West Coast or a storm off the coast of Florida or. A

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    MR. SHUSTER

    a storm off the coast of Florida or. A

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    a storm off the coast of Florida or. A

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    MR. BOEHLERT

    Florida or. A heavy winter snowstorm . It can create havoc. We are not…

    Florida or. A heavy winter snowstorm . It can create havoc. We are not trying to micro-manage for fema. An agency for which I have the highest regard I think James Lee Witt and his team is doing . Are doing a magnificent job . But we are asking of the agency is just to come up with a coherent policy . So that we gave guidance to our constituents. Our communities. In the event . Of. So I want to thank Mr Quinn for his leadership in bringing this issue forward. I want to commend the chairman and the ranking member . For participating in this exercise and providing the leadership necessary to move this legislation forward . You know for the requests for time and Reserves a bounce of time to jump on civilian speaker I've no further requests for time and I yield back to bounce calmer yields back the balance of the time to speak I yield back the balance of my time . All time has been yield back the question is will the house suspend the rules.

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    suspend the rules.

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    MR. SHUSTER

    And pass the bill H.R. three three four eight as amended . So many

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    four eight as amended . So many

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    MR. BORSKI

    as are in favor or will say aye those opposed no an opinion the chair two…

    as are in favor or will say aye those opposed no an opinion the chair two thirds of those present having voted in the affirmative . The rules are

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    MR. SHUSTER

    chair two thirds of those present having voted in the affirmative . The…

    chair two thirds of those present having voted in the affirmative . The rules are

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    chair two thirds of those present having voted in the affirmative . The…

    chair two thirds of those present having voted in the affirmative . The rules are suspended the bill is passed without objection the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. The gentleman from Pennsylvania for permit is rigor I moved suspend the rules and passed a bill H.R. forty forty . The intermodal . Safe container Transportation Act amendments. Of one thousand nine hundred six. The clerk or report the title of the bill H.R. forty forty eight. A

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    MR. SHUSTER

    bill to amend title forty nine United States Code relating to intermodal…

    bill to amend title forty nine United States Code relating to intermodal save container transportation. Pursuant to the rule the gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Schuester in the gentleman from West Virginia Mr Ray Hall. Each

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Schuester in the gentleman from West Virginia Mr Ray Hall. Each will…

    Schuester in the gentleman from West Virginia Mr Ray Hall. Each will control twenty minutes. The chair recognizes

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    THE CLERK

    minutes. The chair recognizes gentleman from Pennsylvania . I'm a Speaker…

    minutes. The chair recognizes gentleman from Pennsylvania . I'm a Speaker I yield myself such time as I may consume . I

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . I misspeak or this bill . Makes several critical changes to the one…

    . I misspeak or this bill . Makes several critical changes to the one thousand nine hundred two intermodal safe container act . To permit the act to be affectively implemented by ocean shipping lines.

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    MR. SHUSTER

    lines. Railroads and trucking companies. This legislation will ensure that…

    lines. Railroads and trucking companies. This legislation will ensure that the Intermodal container. Transportation . Does not cause. Violations of our highways weight laws and also that commerce is not unduly burden. It's critical that this bill passed swiftly . Because the regulations implementing the one nine hundred ninety two Bill. Will go into effect January one. This legislation is completely bipartisan. Is strongly supported by a comprehensive . Intermodal coalition of ocean shipping lines . Railroads trucking companies. And shippers as well as the Department of Transportation. I want to thank Congressman. Pete try. Congressman Molinari. And Congressman Coble. For their cooperation in swiftly drafting. This intermodal bill. I also want to thank my Democratic colleagues Jim Oberstar and Nick Ray Hall. As well as Bob Weiss and Bob Clement . For their cooperation and support . In putting together and agreeing to quickly move this legislation. And I strongly urge my colleagues support reserve the balance of my time. Puts me reserves of balance of time to join West Virginia. Mr Speaker I yield myself such time as I may consume. Mr Speaker I command the full committee chairman John from Pennsylvania Mr Schuester the.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    the. Ranking minority member Mr Oberstar from Minnesota . For the very

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    MR. RAHALL

    . For the very effective and capable manner in which they have worked…

    . For the very effective and capable manner in which they have worked together with myself and the. Ranking or ranking. I'm sorry with the chairman the subcommittee jump in Wisconsin must be tracked in bringing forward this legislation. It's been a good give and take on both sides of the aisle and . And also commend the staff that it works so very long and hard in bringing this bill to us today . As the full committee chairman. Has stated why this bill basically consists of technical moments . It's an act that will fulfill congressional and D O T intent in addressing the issue of lab Bill Daley as a relates to intermodal shipments of potentially overweight. Freight containers. Basically. Mr Speaker we have a situation where a trucker picks up a container of say shoes . At the Port of Long Beach. That was packed in Taiwan . And is headed for a J.C. Penney store. On its way along our nation's highways to the store the truckers found be overweight. Under current law the trucker pays a fine even though the trucking company. Had no involvement in the packing the container. And was led to believe that it would not cause a truck to be overweight. In one thousand nine hundred two Congress passed legislation to address the situation . However due to shortcomings in this law D.O.T. has yet to make effective a final rule implementing it. Hence the need for today's legislation. The pending bill would facilitate the implementation of the one nine hundred ninety two act. That first allowing the shipper certification of the weight of intermodal containers. To be incorporated into shipping papers or transmitted in electronic form . If the certification is not made or is incorrect the shipper is liable for any violations which may occur. Of our highway white laws. And second just be offsets the weight threshold for container certification. At twenty nine thousand one pounds . And it's my understanding about the zero T.N.A. industry. That this is a more appropriate threshold and what is in current law. So what that mission statement the speaker urge adopt an impending measure and I reserve about my time. Jum reserves a bounce of time John from Pennsylvania. I have no further requests for time and I reserve the balance of my time reserves balance of his time. Mr Speaker you know such time as you may consume to our ranking minority member Mr I would start. I don't think President is recognized. Thanks Jumma for yielding Thank you Mr Speaker I also want to commend our full committee chairman Mr Schuester and.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    want to commend our full committee chairman Mr Schuester and.

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    MR. SHUSTER

    The chairman of this. Surface subcommittee Mr P. try

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    . For the work that they have done. To bring this legislation to this…

    . For the work that they have done. To bring this legislation to this point and Mr Ray Hall on on our side who has devoted a great deal of time and energy to resolving a very puzzling in.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    to resolving a very puzzling in.

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    to resolving a very puzzling in. Complex problem. One that. On the surface…

    to resolving a very puzzling in. Complex problem. One that. On the surface . Would seem to be amenable to ready resolution . In one thousand nine hundred ninety two and we passed the Intermodal safe container transportation act . We thought that the legislation had corrected the problems. Broad consensus of the transportation interests. Got together to support this legislation to encourage compliance with U.S. Highway weight limits by ensuring that the party that first. Tenders cargo for intermodal shipment would be responsible for very. Verifying the weight of that intermodal container. And for providing appropriate documentation . Unfortunately D.O.T.. Could not write regulations to make the law work . Try as they might there was a combination of problems the. Conflicting interests . Difficulty in writing appropriate language . To prevent the issuance of those regulations so when I say took a great deal of effort on the part of of the leadership of the subcommittee to work this out it's certainly dead. Matter that the department itself with all of their staffing. Could not resolve . So the parties went back to the drawing board. Reached agreement on a on a measure that Mr Ray Hall is I think quite quite adequately described in one nine hundred eighty nine the Federal Highway Administration estimated that some one million containers moving through U.S. ports. Over a one year period would likely cause. Highway . Weight violations. Based on most commonly used. Truck configurations forty percent of the twenty foot containers. Would potentially cause overweight . Trucks. Seventeen percent of. Forty foot containers. Were more than ten thousand pounds over the cargo weight . Truckers should not have to bear that responsibility . Good should not have to be impeded in their movement to Marketplace . And bridges . Should not have to be encumbered and highways should not have to accept that. To additional pounding . Do to our ocean. Shipping . Interests. So the legislation we have today will provide workable tools. To allow carriers to comply with higher weight limitations . And improve enforcement . By ensuring that the one responsible party that loads the container. Is the one liable . If a subsequent violation occurs. That is what we bring to the house today and I want to thank the gentleman from West Virginia for the splendid effort that he is invested in bringing this issue to a resolution and. Again to our full committee chairman for resolving the matter. And I yield back the balance of my time. Jumper West Virginia back down to my top generals back the balance of his time John from Pennsylvania Speaker I yield back the balance of my time . All time as you can yield back the question is will the House the spend the rules and pass the bill H.R. forty forty.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    So many is are in favor will say aye those opposed no . And you can

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    opposed no . And you can

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . And you can have chair. Two thirds of those present having voted in the…

    . And you can have chair. Two thirds of those present having voted in the affirmative the rules are suspended. Bill

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    the rules are suspended. Bill

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    suspended. Bill is passed without objects from the motion to reconsider is…

    suspended. Bill is passed without objects from the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. This joke with Pennsylvania Mr Speaker I move to suspend the rules and pass a bill S. one thousand nine hundred five . Authorizing construction of the National Air and Space Museum Center . At Dulles Airport . Pork report the title the bill. Senate nine hundred ninety five an act to authorize construction of the Smithsonian Institution National Air and Space Museum Dulles.

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    MR. SHUSTER

    the Smithsonian Institution National Air and Space Museum Dulles. Center…

    the Smithsonian Institution National Air and Space Museum Dulles. Center at Washington Dulles International Airport and for the purposes . Pursuant to the rule of the gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Schuster The gentleman from Ohio Mr Traffick count. Each

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    THE CLERK

    gentleman from Ohio Mr Traffick count. Each will control twenty minutes.…

    gentleman from Ohio Mr Traffick count. Each will control twenty minutes. The chair recognizes the gentleman from Pennsylvania . Mr Speaker I yield myself such time as I might consume.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    consume. Mr Speaker this legislation authorizes the construction of the…

    consume. Mr Speaker this legislation authorizes the construction of the mists . Some of Sonny and National Air and Space Museum extension to Dulles Airport . Today eight million has been authorized in appropriations for planning and design of this project.

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    MR. SHUSTER

    appropriations for planning and design of this project. The construction…

    appropriations for planning and design of this project. The construction of this facility will . allow Airplane space craft and aviation related equipment. Currently Stuart outdoors. To be safely housed in structures which meet museum standards. As well as create a restoration facility. Capable of handling the largest artifacts . In the collection. These include such aircraft as the B. twenty nine and . Enola Gay . The space shuttle Enterprise . And the S R seventy one Blackbird. A request for five million is included in the fiscal one nine hundred ninety seven budget. To continue funding . Through the design development phase . And begin the construction. Documents phase . The final two million authorized. Will be requested in fiscal. Ninety eight to complete the construction documents for the building. It's important to emphasize that no federal funds will be made available for the construction phase of the project. The Smithsonian Institution will be responsible for privately raising funds to pay for the construction. Also the Commonwealth of Virginia. Has pledged to provide infrastructure support . Which includes a three million dollars interest free loan. A six million construction appropriation. And authority for a one hundred million. Bond issue . That's a good bill. Mr Speaker and I urge its adoption to reserve the balance of my time . I'm reserves the bounce was time the John from Ohio Mr Traficant Chairman I yield us it's time to make consume to our ranking Democrat member of to day's infrastructure . Mr Oberstar. The Jennifer Minnesota's recognized. I thank the gentleman for yielding. This is a really exciting initiative. The National Air and Space Museum.

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    Space Museum. To be developed at Dulles Airport and it's under the…

    Space Museum. To be developed at Dulles Airport and it's under the leadership of a truly great leader in aviation former admiral Don Anggun former administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration and former member of the National Transportation Safety Board . He is in

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    and former member of the National Transportation Safety Board . He is in…

    and former member of the National Transportation Safety Board . He is in charge of the fund raising and has an end of the organization and development of this project. And has already launched a very significant nationwide effort. Working very hard to raise the private sector funds . Which as the chairman indicated chairman Schuster indicated that will be entirely. Constructed with the private sector funds . It's going to be a true monument to aviation to aviation technology and. I'm very pleased that the committee has moved this legislation to make the next . To make the extension facility. Possible. It's really an extension of the Smithsonian but at a place where it makes sense out . At one of the nation's premier. Airports and an International Airport. One of advanced design at that. Where we can put on display . This leadership that the United States has demonstrated throughout decades . In the field. Of aviation. I urge passage of the legislation I thank the gentleman for yielding not HILES my time is bigger. No federal funds will be used for construction of this project in addition. State of Virginia will be contributing to infrastructure construction . And access roads finally . The border

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    regions of the Smithsonian have can. Added to an aggressive fund raising…

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    program. For the remainder of these necessary funds would make the…

    program. For the remainder of these necessary funds would make the University of Nebraska football program look. Meager in its wake . Without him we have no other real quest for time and we support this legislation . We want to commend Mr Schuester here at the end of our session for all the fine work he's done and Mr Gilchrist. And staff. And with that I would yield back the balance of time jump allow us back the balance of his time the gentleman from Pennsylvania . I'm a speaker I would ask unanimous consent to the remarks in this thing as chairman of some Kinnear's Gilchrist. Be inserted at this point the record would say the gentleman. The CHAIRMAN

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    nine five. So many as are in favor will say aye. Those appalls. Know and…

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    those present having voted in the affirmative the rules are suspended. The…

    those present having voted in the affirmative the rules are suspended. The bill is passed . Without objection a motion to reconsider is laid on the table . What purpose of the gentleman from Pennsylvania arise. Mr Speaker Mr Speaker I move to suspend the rules and pass a bill last sixteen thirty six. Designating the Marco Hatfield United States courthouse body for defending the bottom of that teacup and I think that the gentleman made exactly the right questions . When he asked whether

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    MR. WELDON

    from California . Gentleman from California . Jonathan California. Asked…

    from California . Gentleman from California . Jonathan California. Asked to dress the house for five minutes. Mr Speaker . John from California is recognized for a period of five minutes and gentlemen may proceed . I think. Thank you Mr Speaker and. I

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    want to continue this discussion with my colleague Mr Weldon concerning the national security hearings that just took place to with.

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    just took place to with. Secretary of Defense. Mr

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    of Defense. Mr Perry. And General Shalikashvili . Chairman of the

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    Joint Chiefs and. General Downing who is the . The director of the task…

    Joint Chiefs and. General Downing who is the . The director of the task force that was assigned by the secretary to investigate. The bombing of the Khobar Towers . And I just want to yield to my friend. To go a little farther into into the assessment as to whether or not we should have a a a and. Up upward. Evaluation with respect to blame for this incident. As well as a downward direction which appears to be the way it's going. It appears that blame is going to be laid at the feet of the base commander . And yet. There are a number of indications that show that this was a an untenable position. But this base commander was placed in . And as Al Downing there are General Downing said this morning he was dealt a fairly poor hand. To begin with because of a number of circumstances. That he couldn't control and I yielded coming out like . I appreciate the gentleman yielding and we just follow up by saying I think you would agree the Secretary Perry statement was was an eloquent statement . I think he did accept the responsibility and self for the incident. And I appreciate his candor in that regard . But let me go further

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    and state that the disappointment that we feel . Is that what's happening…

    and state that the disappointment that we feel . Is that what's happening right now in the Pentagon . Is exactly what the New York Times today. Editorialized on. And that is they're using one low level of a listed person . As the scapegoat . Much like was done in the crash. Of the Ron Brown airplane. There was a lower level enlisted person who was held accountable. Much as we have seen time and again. And there is an investigation . And there is blame . But it seems as though that blame only goes one way and that's down . And what I suggested today and what I would ask. Our colleagues in this body to support me on. Is the need for us to have not just the investigation by the Air Force. Three star general. About those lower. Who were involved in the chain of command including. The base commander who has been criticized and perhaps he deserves that. But I think we also need to know who is above that level . Is it in fact the commander of the sink operation. Who in fact. Has the ultimate responsibility for that theater. And who under the goal water Nichols reform. That this body passed a few years ago. Reports directly to the office of the secretary of defense. Were there in fact any preliminary warnings made . Were there in fact any assessments of that facility . Why was the security. Of that facility in Saudi Arabia . Less than the security currently involved in Bosnia. With our troops. Where we have gone to great lengths . These are questions that need answered. Not just from that general on the scene . Who was being blamed for what occurred. And who will likely be is the New York Times put it . The scapegoat. But who was looking at his superiors. And what their role was . And when Secretary Perry says that he's confident . But this three star Air Force general. Can do this assessment . I say I can't believe that . I can't believe that we are empowering a three star . To investigate his four star boss. And even if necessary . The secretary of defense and his underlings . In the Pentagon itself . So therefore . In thanking my colleague for yelling I would say that this body needs to make sure that there is an independent assessment. Whether it's done by the General Accounting Office . The Justice Department or whatever . There needs to be an independent assessment . So that that general who's being targeted right now . And maybe the subject of a court martial . Can feel confident. But the same look is being done . Of those above him. Thank God I thank the gentleman for his statement and let's review the basic facts here . This bombing took place . Because we had a building housing . Thousands of Americans. Literally within feet. Within eighty five feet.

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    Of not only a public highway . Down which any terrorist could drive a…

    Of not only a public highway . Down which any terrorist could drive a truck. But also a public parking lot where the terrorists could park. A truck . And this truck loaded with explosives with thousands of pounds of explosives. Roughly the. And the secretary estimated at twenty thousand pounds . General Downing said. Between between three and eight. But even if you say it's twenty thousand pounds. For country boys that's basically half the weight of a hay truck. And any large truck can carry that amount of weight. Very easily . But that truck. Was within eighty five feet that is shorter it was closer to our personnel and their living area. Than the distance. In the House chamber. From one end of the chamber to the other. And that . That happened . And if we were to expand our perimeter. Which should have been done or we should have vacated the site . We would have had to expand out and take up part of the Saudi public road . And if we had to do that we had to do that. But the people who place just contingent in the elements that I'm still there are should be examined I think the gentleman for his state . Gentleman from North Carolina phonetic Armstead has been house for a minute. Jonathan North Carolina is recognized for a period of five minutes and the gentleman may proceed. Mr Chairman I served on the appropriations queer Defense Appropriations Committee and . You know we

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    Defense Appropriations Committee and . You know we seem to have got in a…

    Defense Appropriations Committee and . You know we seem to have got in a mode here into where we are going to take the house and we want to blame the president for everything that happens . All across the

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    country I just want to bring back something that happened a few years ago…

    country I just want to bring back something that happened a few years ago when Ronald Reagan was president eyes state . And we lost two hundred forty min. In their sleep in Lebanon. And we were in real secret negotiations and hearings. Up stairs in this Capitol it was so secret. We had Navy people there . And we had these people had been informed that there was three pick up loads of explosives. In the area . And nobody acted on that. And we didn't blame President Reagan for being derelict of Judea and that because that was in Lebanon we lost two hundred and forty. Marines and Levanon . And it just seems so. Everybody is in the mood here and anything that happens in the world. Isn't a little problem of the president . I will not yield just a just in a minute. But then here in the hall yesterday . One day last week the gentleman from Pennsylvania said if we lose one person. We lose one person in Iraq. We're going to hold the president of United States . But the blame for losing that one person now this is.

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    little bit for a little bit. I mean you know . I think my colleagues…

    little bit for a little bit. I mean you know . I think my colleagues really first of all we did not mention the president today. We mentioned hearing with the secretary of defense . And the fact that we do want to find out. As the secretary said . Who was responsible . What we're saying is we just don't want to go from the middle down . We want

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    . We want everyone in the chain of command to be looked at in terms of…

    . We want everyone in the chain of command to be looked at in terms of what happened with President Reagan I wasn't here then. So I

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    in terms of what happened with President Reagan I wasn't here then. So I…

    in terms of what happened with President Reagan I wasn't here then. So I can't speak to what you all did. When President Reagan was president tell you what we did to take back when Ptolemy tell how it did when the hearings got real tight and. People began and . Here's we're going to roll guess what we did . We invaded Greneda. And all the focus of the hearings with the invasion of Grenada and we've been hearing more about the investigation into the people who were derelict in Lebannon. It just

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    who were derelict in Lebannon. It just seems to me that we're kind of…

    who were derelict in Lebannon. It just seems to me that we're kind of getting in this area of politics when elections coming up. That is send Vaal here to blame the administration or the secretary for everything that happens on somebody else's foreign soul. We don't have. We can't tell the Saudis. Face tell us to some extent . Because if you remember when we were trying to keep the Persian go. Gulf open a few years ago . They wouldn't even let us. With jet fuel are going to go in our planes in there and . Same for Kuwait was your my friend you know I think my friend for yielding. Let me just tell. Tell my friend as a guy who went over to Lebanon shortly before the bombing and who stayed. To work with Colonel Garrity because I thought that there were security problems. Our problem is this. You have to work and not in not in terms of assigning blame but you have to bombings we see that. Truck bombs are the weapon of choice in the Middle East for terrorists . We had the

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    weapon of choice in the Middle East for terrorists . We had the Riyadh…

    weapon of choice in the Middle East for terrorists . We had the Riyadh bombing. Six months ago that showed us that where we had public areas public driving areas near troop concentrations . We were in danger of being hurt. Now if this. If this hearing today . Made people upset. If we got after people and we embarrassed them or we made them feel uneasy. If that results in the Pentagon going back and saying we will not have a troop conscience. Gratian . In the Middle East. That is within eighty five feet of a public road . Then that's good . I just take back my time I'm not question the fact that we need to have hearings. But it just seems to me we oversimplify and we say we're going to decide right here . What is going to be the policy of the South as far as allowing us to do things for the protection of our troops . And it to me this goes just be on where foreign policy ought to end we were. Everybody I

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    where foreign policy ought to end we were. Everybody I don't know of any…

    where foreign policy ought to end we were. Everybody I don't know of any person. In this building. That don't want to support our troops and see that they're not put in harm's way. But I just want to remind if there was not a hue and outcry . In this body when two hundred forty. Of our fine Marines were killed in their sleep. And we didn't personally hold President Reagan as we should not have done. We didn't personally hold him responsible for the death of these gentlemen you and this well the other day the gentleman from Pennsylvania said. If we lose one person . We're going to hold the present United States . We're going to hold him personally blamed for losing this live and I'm just going to see much of my name . I thank the gentleman for yielding . And I appreciate his candor in discussing with me . Mr to chant Mr Speaker. Times controlled by a gentleman from North Carolina Sometimes I think the gentleman yield back.

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    gentleman yield back. I think gentleman's time has its yield back or not .…

    gentleman yield back. I think gentleman's time has its yield back or not . I think the gentleman yield the back as time will accept his Yola back as time will go on to the next speaker.

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    back as time will accept his Yola back as time will go on to the next…

    back as time will accept his Yola back as time will go on to the next speaker. For purposes gentlewoman from Colorado arise.

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    MRS. SCHROEDER

    gentlewoman from Colorado arise. Mr Speaker I ask unanimous consent to…

    gentlewoman from Colorado arise. Mr Speaker I ask unanimous consent to address the house for five minutes.

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    unanimous consent to address the house for five minutes.

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    minutes. Junction. No objection sort of the gentleman may proceed for a…

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    may proceed for a period of five minutes. Mr Speaker. As we can see nerves…

    may proceed for a period of five minutes. Mr Speaker. As we can see nerves are taught here and. One of the things I would just like to put that into context about is I've always thought it was a shame that we hadn't done more . On energy

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    a shame that we hadn't done more . On energy

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    independence so we didn't have to be in the Gulf anyway. And one of the…

    independence so we didn't have to be in the Gulf anyway. And one of the problems we have is we're not defending great democracies and I've been very upset about how the Saudis treat our women . And the military

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    MRS. SCHROEDER

    and I've been very upset about how the Saudis treat our women . And the…

    and I've been very upset about how the Saudis treat our women . And the military . They can't drive they can't do this they can't I think it's kind of ridiculous that when you're there to protect them the. Then make it very difficult . And put all of sorts restrictions on. And exactly the same thing had happened in Lebanon. I remember visiting Lebanon. As a young member of the Armed Services Committee and saying this is an absolute nightmare. And they said but this is the only place to let us be. So when we go in to help that's one of the reasons I get so frustrated about burden sharing. I keep figuring out. If we're there to help. We have to be able to use our best military judgment and not have them say no no no we want you just over the horizon we want you to here to help but we don't want you to be seen and. Then we don't want women out or we don't want this or we know when that book really Mr Speaker when I came to talk about . Was something that we did today I did today with . Congressman Steve shift from New Mexico . Congressman Schiff and I are probably about as far apart. As you can be. When you come to the issues of firearms . And yet today we had a joint press conference because we do agree on one thing . And I wish we could see more bipartisan types of progress. Such as this. Congressman Schiff than I have been working for the last three years trying to get money from the Defense Department . To transfer it over. So we could use it. To better. The world of law enforcement . To bring that up to speed . And today. We had the people from coal to manufacturing showing a prototype safe gun . That was absolutely exciting because it went from being a glint in our eye. To a real thing . A real gun. That people could see. What does this gun do. Well guess what. It only works for the owner. And when you look at the numbers of law enforcement officers. Every year that are killed by their own gun . Not to mention people who are guards in jail or guarding prisoners or on our border . We have all sorts of people I want to major fears . Is your gun is stolen and used to kill you . This gun. Would. In that fear. Once and for all . Because as was demonstrated today it would only go off for the owner . And the technology is here . And the gun. Was there and we could show it . And I think that's the type of thing I would hope Republicans and Democrats would work together so that we could fight crime not only by beating our chest and saying who's the toughest the news the meanest and who's the roughest. But also who's the smartest. We have not found I thought crime a smartly . As we show it . Now when you look at this gun . And you look at the very high percentage of crime committed . With stolen weapons. All of that would go away. Because if everybody had this type of weapon you could steal it but so what it would be like a rock . It wouldn't do you any good. If you look at the tremendous number of gun accidents. In the home with children. Or with despondent. Teens or whatever finding the family gun. Again . Those would go away. Because it would only work for the family member who was the owner. And of course. The law enforcement thing. Was what we really really put all of our force into. So Sandia Labs . The National Institute of Justice . Law enforcement officers across the country. Have all been working to make sure that this gun is every bit as. Workable as the gun they have today. It can't be some fancy show Mansi thing that only works in the perfect climate the perfect temperature without. Or with gloves or whatever . This works all the way across the board. It works with a tiny little chip. I got to be a ring bearer. At this event . They can work with a ring it will work with something on the watch it work with a chip in the hand it will work any number of ways . That sets this off so that it would work in a certain radius around the person. but Be absolutely not able to be reprogrammed or. Working by someone else unless they had. Mega and. Mega computers that could really write the codes. So. My dream would be that we see more of these types of actions. Because while maybe a many of the people who support me would like to see a gun free world. And while many of the people who support Mr Schiff would like to have no restrictions. We know that there's going to be guns around and the law enforcement's going to need them. And so . Why don't we use whatever we've got to make them as safe as accident prone and as. Valueless if anyone steals them . As possible. And that's today what we did in the safe gun and . I would hope we would see that as a model for future action I thank you very much Mr Speaker for letting me take this time. Shawn's time has expired for purposes of gentleman from Florida arise. Without objection . Sartor. The speaker Medicare's bleeding to death . It's losing more debt money than it ever has before one thousand nine hundred five the president's Medicare trustees said that Medicare would be brain drop by the year two thousand and two fish here we hear that splitting the death even faster is going to be bankrupt by the year two thousand nine hundred ninety three President Clinton understood that fact and . So we propose

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    ninety three President Clinton understood that fact and . So we propose

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    ninety three President Clinton understood that fact and . So we propose

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    President Clinton understood that fact and . So we propose that. Medicare…

    President Clinton understood that fact and . So we propose that. Medicare spendings rate of increase go to six point nine percent . In one nine hundred ninety five we understood that so we proposed a seven point one percent increase. We were absolutely savaged by a minority that was so desperate to get back into control . That the truth made absolutely nothing . And they'd shamelessly demagogue on this issue in fact let me give you a few quotes. Not from Republican publications but from publications. That have consistently supported the Democratic Party. The Washington Post. Accused . The Democratic minority of shameless demagoguery that was their words quote shameless to Magog re not mine. I don't deal with those and you . Gentlemen will not yield for that purpose gentlemen may proceed with the gentleman you bring the gentleman has stated that . But with. Briefly. Well I think. What I was concerned about shameless demagoguery I think those are words we could have taken down and I don't really want to do that but I think that's a very strong record. Reclaiming

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    to do that but I think that's a very strong record. Reclaiming

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    to do that but I think that's a very strong record. Reclaiming

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    to do that but I think that's a very strong record. Reclaiming my time.…

    to do that but I think that's a very strong record. Reclaiming my time. It's they are not my words . They're the Washington

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    . They're the Washington Post words if you wish to try to take them down…

    . They're the Washington Post words if you wish to try to take them down you can.

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    MRS. SCHROEDER

    them down you can. But I don't. I'm not addressing one person I'm…

    them down you can. But I don't. I'm not addressing one person I'm addressing what The Washington Post accuse Democrats of doing. They could use some of shameless demagoguery . The adviser to the president Matthew Miller wrote in The Washington Post. And in

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    MR. SCARBOROUGH

    president Matthew Miller wrote in The Washington Post. And in The New…

    president Matthew Miller wrote in The Washington Post. And in The New Republic. Quote The president has taken the low road on Medicare in such a way that only political pundits could call it standing tall. The New Republic. A traditionally liberal publication . Said that the Democrats. Demagoguery on Medicare is even worse than we suspected. Now why do I bring this up . Nobody's talked about Medicare in a year. It's because they've been counted down because they're afraid of hearing more lies in this chamber. I bring it up . Because everybody on the Democratic side of the aisle recognizes like everybody on the Republican side of the aisle. That Medicare is going broke. And nobody is doing anything about it. Nobody when we tried to do something last year when the president tried to do something in one thousand nine hundred ninety three. They were attacked. Now. Now I give you the past. As pro log. David Broder had a column in The Washington Post this weekend. Talking to future chairman. If the Democrats were to take power . And let's hear what one such chairman said on Medicare . This same chairman to be . Who called us not see . You want to talk about taking down words. Called us Nazis. For trying to save Medicare . And this is what he said about Medicare. His committee and I won't give us a name whose committee has major stiction said quote . The people who have made out passed passed in the last twenty years are the old folks. They have their pensions. Social Security and health care . The explosion in these programs. Have to be dramatically reduced. Let me tell you something. I hearken back to the McCarthy hearings . When at the end of the McCarthy hearings. In the dramatic conclusion . The question was asked. Have you no shame sir have you no shame. I would recommend. To any Democrat that comes into the well . And stands behind this podium and. Attacks. Any efforts to curb spending in Medicare. To we. We suggested seven point one percent last year . And your chairman. Is what's going to happen with Medicare next year regardless of who's elected. We're going to have to save it . And we can't afford demagoguery. I've got a ninety three year old grandmother . I've got two parents that are eligible for it. And we have got to put the political gamesmanship behind us. And what we've done now by. Irresponsible actions last years we've Cal college tuitions . In this election year. From talking about it. Bob Dole doesn't talk about it Bill Clinton doesn't talk about it. While Rome is burning. We have got to grow up. I yield back the balance of my time with him or . Does the gentleman from Maryland seek recognition Speaker I ask unanimous consent to be reinstated for my five minute I was not on the floor when my name was called thought objection sort of. The gentleman from Maryland may proceed for a period of five minutes .

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    MR. HOYER

    Thank you very much . Mr Speaker. We do have to be real.

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    When we deal with financial questions. With investment questions. In one…

    When we deal with financial questions. With investment questions. In one America is going to be like in the future.

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    MR. HOYER

    the future. President Clinton talked about a bridge. To the future . Every…

    the future. President Clinton talked about a bridge. To the future . Every one of my constituents . Believe that the bridge to the future . Is education . Almost every American believes that. One of the reasons we have opportunity in America. Is because we have. Educational access. For every american This year however when we passed the bill out of the house. We cut education. Very substantially . Democrats wanted to edit education funds that are subcommittee level. I offered an amendment to add two point one billion dollars. So that we would not lose headstart . Slots . We would not lose. Chapter one. Slots . We would not lose. Goals two thousand dollars for investment in education. There was an article written by David Broder one of Washington's most respected. Columnist and political observers. It's untitled empower . Qualified teachers. His point is that we are not spending. Sufficient. Some snout. I want to quickly add that. I do not believe that money is the only answer. Or particularly the answer. To solving . The educational problems that confront our nation. Nor however . Do I delude myself . Or should we delude the public that not spending money . Not paying teachers properly . Not having Head Start slots. Not having chapter one slots . Not doing Goals two thousand . Not having objectives that will empower our young people to be competitive in a world. Marketplace that not doing those things . Will enhance. Education in America. We came to the full committee . On the Appropriations Committee . And again I offered the amendment . To essentially keep education. Even. And even then it would fall behind the. Very sharply growing numbers of students in our school systems. There are more students in school in America today than ever before in history. Period. And what do we do in the house represents when we passed the education bill . We sounded. Retreat . Terrell Bell the secretary of education under Ronald Reagan did a report on the status of education and . The result of that was a nation at risk in which the Reagan administration said that . We were at risk of becoming a nation of mediocrity . Because our education system . Was not up to speed. Now very frankly . In the full. Appropriations Committee . By a straight party line vote. The Republicans rejected. Increasing education . It then came to the House floor which is the process subcommittee. Full committee. And House floor . David Obey the chairman of our committee again offer that amendment said. My friends on both sides the aisle. Let us not abandon our children. Because they are our. Bridge. To the future . I don't almost straight party line vote . That amendment. Was again . Rejected. Notwithstanding the fact that I have a chart that showed that. Education funding . Was going down . In an era when. Student population. Was going up . Now ladies and gentlemen that. Legislation. Then went to the Senate. And just yesterday. Having I presume read the polls and. Figuring out what the American public really wants and. Talking not about their policies and principles. Of one nine hundred ninety five but. Their politics. Of one thousand nine hundred six. They have now suggested adding two point three billion dollars . To education. Two hundred million more than I suggested was necessary to keep education even that. David Obey suggested . Was necessary to keep kids from falling through the cracks. I am pleased that the Senate. Has seen the light . John Holmes expired . That the Republicans in the House have done their homework . And will pass. When this bill. Misses or the House of firearms . For purposes gentleman from Georgia arise. Mr Speaker. Pursuant to plans to room nine. I hereby give notice of my intention to offer a resolution. Which raises a question of the privilege of the house.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    privilege of the house. The form of the resolution is as follows .

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    MR. LEWIS

    resolution is as follows . Whereas some of these some of six nineteen…

    resolution is as follows . Whereas some of these some of six nineteen ninety five . The Committee on Standards of Official Conduct. Agreed to appoint an outside counsel to conduct an independent nonpartizan investigation. Of allegation or ethical misconduct by Speaker Newt Gingrich . Whereas Alpha and eight month investigation . That the outside counsel has submitted an extensive document containing the results of his inquiry when I asked the report . Of the outside counsel calls to tax payers five hundred thousand dollars . Class the public has a right . And members of Congress have a responsibility to examine the work of the outside counsel and reach an independent judgment. Concerning to merits of the charges against to speak up. Whereas these charges have been before the Ethics Committee . For more than two years . Why as a failure of the committee. To release the outside counsel report. Before to join many of the one hundred fourth Congress was thoroughly undermine the credibility of the Ethics Committee . And in Turkey of the House of Representatives. Therefore be it Resolved That the committee on standards . Of Official Conduct show and meet it later released to the public the outside counsel's report on speak on. Newt Gingrich. Including any conclusion. Recommendations. Attachments exhibit . Accompanying . But terror . Thank you Mr Speaker. Under all nine. A resolution offered. From the floor by a member other than the majority leader. Or the minority leader as a question of privileges of the House has immediate precedence. Only at a time or place. Doesn't aided by the chair . In the

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . In the legislative schedule within two legislative days . The chair will…

    . In the legislative schedule within two legislative days . The chair will announce that designation. At a later time . The determination as to whether the resolution constitutes a question of privilege. Will be made at that later time . For what purposes the gentleman from Texas rise . I should man who consent to speak or to reclaim my time . Without objection . Sort of the gentleman from Texas is recognized for a period of five minutes and the gentleman may proceed. Thank you misspeak grass I ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks. Senator Dole at the Republican National Convention blame teachers for the failure of our educational system.

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    MR. GREEN

    Convention blame teachers for the failure of our educational system.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    failure of our educational system. Centered tack teachers in particular…

    failure of our educational system. Centered tack teachers in particular teacher unions and associations . I wanted

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    MR. GREEN

    teacher unions and associations . I wanted to stand the date of to know…

    teacher unions and associations . I wanted to stand the date of to know that Senator Dole's logic not only to starve me because teachers and schools are now they're required to do much more with much less . And teachers do not deserve this kind of treatment and many of them resent this attack. Because they work hard day and night . To prepare our children for a future. Last Saturday's edition of THE used in Chronicle there were several letters from teachers responding to Senator Dole's comments . And I'd like to read some of those before I do I'd like to preface it with. And I know I heard that center did all was talking about unions or so she Asians . But you cannot attacked an association without attacking the members. And the members again are the ones who are providing that opportunity for our children to be. Citizens. Active citizens educated citizens for tomorrow . John L. Parker of umble Texas. Wrote in referring to public school. Public funding of private schools. Bob Dole said as acceptance speech before the nation on August the fifteenth there is no reason why those who live on any street in America. Should not have the same right as a person who lives at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue . The right to send their child to a school of your choice . As a teacher and a member of a teacher's association . Whom Dole attack . I have to admit I agree with the right to choose choose. I just don't believe I should have to pay for his choice public support of religious indoctrination is unconstitutional . Taking tax money from public schools and giving it to private for profit institutions and sound. An elitist at best and a letter to the editor of that same day Judy Jolla. Of Houston Texas said Bob Dole's attack on teachers unions in his acceptance speech . Tried to place the blame for the problems facing our schools on the people who are trying to solve them. And I'll repeat. He's placing the blame for the problems on the people trying to solve them when you attack the classroom teachers . Dollars Dollars out of touch with the educational mainstream. He would be far wiser to join with the eighty percent of the teachers who are in the unions they help solve problems in our schools . Martha Barrett of Kingwood Texas remark. What a way to launch a presidential campaign tactic and kids in American schools. Bob Dole said his acceptance speech . That teachers unions nominated Bill Clinton in one thousand nine hundred two. They are funding Israel lection campaign now . And they is most reliable supporters know he will maintain the status quo. Ms Barrett of Kingwood. Continued I don't speak for all teachers. But I personally feel much better about a presidential candidate. Supported and funded by teachers. Than one supported by tobacco interest. Family. Sherry. Matua of the Pasadena Education Association . Stated in Pasadena Texas . I would like to set Bob Dole straight on the air as in his acceptance speech . Attacking America's schools and teachers he said. Not for nothing or with the biggest educational spenders in among the lowest educational achievers. Of the leading industrial nations . He was wrong . According to Miss Mathilda. America does not lead the industrial nations in education spending for K. through twelve public education. We're not even close to the top seventeen America ranks twelfth . The American people have been named the most productive workers in the world . Nowhere ninety percent of those workers were educated Bob Dole. In the public schools of America. The twenty first century were bring new challenges for our young people. And we have an obligation to educate them to deal with these challenges. Democrats and some Republicans believe that education is the key to our children's future . And the key to our country's continued success . Under this Republican Congress however. Education is not fared well . In one nine hundred ninety five Senator Dole supported the largest cut in federal education funding in the history of our nation. And the assault continues. Instead of considering further education cuts we should be involved in debating increasing federal commitment to our children's education. Most education is paid for by the local and state level. But as a nation . We have to be competitive with the world. It's time to stop blaming teachers for our educational problems . And start blaming those who have consistently opposed funding for education . Who we will be judged by how we treat . And educate our children. Senator Dole has a poor record on education should be judged appropriately. On November fifth. I yield back the balance of my time speaker . The chair lays before the House the following communications . The Honorable speaker us of Representative service is to formally notify you pursuant to rule fifty of the rules of the House of Representatives. That read stunts. Currently

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    the minority general counsel of the Committee on Commerce and formerly a…

    the minority general counsel of the Committee on Commerce and formerly a staff director and chief counsel on the subcommittee of oversight and investigations of the Committee on Energy and Commerce . Has been

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    THE CLERK

    of oversight and investigations of the Committee on Energy and Commerce .…

    of oversight and investigations of the Committee on Energy and Commerce . Has been served with a subpoena issued by the United States District Court the District of Columbia . And the matter of United States versus Jeffrey and Levine. After consultation with the general counsel I have determined that the subpoena appears not to be consistent with the rights and privileges of the house and therefore should be resisted. Sincerely. Thomas J. blindly Jr . The Honorable the speaker of Representative service is to formally notify you pursuant to rule fifty of the rules of the House of Representatives . That a trial subpoena for documents and testimony. Issued by the United States District Court for the District of Columbia in the matter of the United States versus Jeffrey M. Levine has been served on and on me. After consultation with the Office of General Counsel I have determined that the subpoena appears not to be consistent with the privileges. Rights and privileges of the house. And therefore should be resisted sincerely Thomas J. Bliley Jr. The Honorable the speaker US Representative sir this deplorably notify you persued to rule fifty of the rules of the House of Representatives that a trial subpoena for documents and testimony issued by the United States District Court for the District of Columbia in the matter of United States versus Jeffrey M. Levine has been served on me. As custodian of records for the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations. Of the Committee on Commerce . After consultation with the Office of General Counsel I have determined that the subpoena appears not to be consistent with the rights and privileges. The House and therefore should be resistant. Sincerely Thomas to my Legion your work purpose of the gentleman from California right direction.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Speaker. This is going to be hot stuff. I said last week. I would quote…

    Speaker. This is going to be hot stuff. I said last week. I would quote from. Battling

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    MR. DORNAN

    from. Battling Harry Truman. Everybody wants to be Harry Truman if they're…

    from. Battling Harry Truman. Everybody wants to be Harry Truman if they're coming from behind an election .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    an election .

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    MR. DORNAN

    And I said that Harry Truman was tough on adultery. Loyal to his bass . My…

    And I said that Harry Truman was tough on adultery. Loyal to his bass . My dad was Harry Dorn in D. artillery battery world war one thirty at the vision. Harry was thirty fourth division . Battery D. . Artillery. Harry Harry . Listen to this on adultery Mr Speaker . And I bring this up during a presidential race period for obvious reasons. Harry Truman said to him. Any man who was dissolute with women. Truman believed. Was not a man to be trusted entirely. He discovered that two names from the past . Both love the ladies. And kept telephone girls on the payroll . I'll say this for the big boss. Referring to the Tom. Pendergast the Pendergast machine fame . He has no feminine connections. This is the book called Truman. They want to Pulitzer Prize for an author and biographer of some note David McCollum. David McCullough Listen to this paragraph . It seems that Harry Truman was plagued with headaches as was my mother . As I was at one point. Studying for exams but lucky in my later years . Harry Truman says . He worried always about possible entrapment with women. Would have saved a lot of careers in the Senate in this body of people had taken this advice. And old device for destroying politicians. Once responding to a call for a meeting in a room at the Baltimore hotel this is in Missouri. He asked Edgar Hine to go along just in case . When they knocked at the. room Hein remembered a blond woman was there in a negligee she opened the door. Harry Truman spun on his heels and ran back down the hall. Disappearing around the corner. Hines thought it was a fear. Verging on the abnormal. Or maybe the decent. Three things ruin a man. Harry would tell a reporter long afterward. Power Money and women. The great. ARCHBISHOP. And evangelist in the Catholic Church. Fulton Sheehan. Told me. The same thing only he put women in the first category . The downfall in the twenty's and thirty's. Then came power. They obsessively The men in thirty's forty's and fifty's . And then money . For men in their older years the accretion of power. Money you're never going to get the spend. At the end of your life. Harry Truman. Or Heine wrote this . I've been around Legion conventions with Harry Truman. He'd have his room there and naturally everybody would kind of gravitate to the senator's room. If some fellow brought a woman in there or even is why. I've seen Truman pick up his hat and coat. Take off out of there . And that would be the last you'd see of him until those women left. He just didn't want women . Around his hotel room. He had a phobia on it. This is not the story A Little Rock Arkansas folks. This is the story of Harry Truman and Missouri . I would like to put in the record Mr Speaker. The editorial from The Wall Street Journal on Monday the sixteenth. Title will anyone believe . It's all about the Clintons. Stonewalling. On both their medical records but particularly the commander in chief. Shalikashvili his medical records are out there . Every combat commander down to a private. Whole chain of command his medical records are out there. It's asked for a Perry before it comes sekret become secretary of defense. But only these doctors summaries. So The Wall Street Journal says. Nobody's going to believe because it's a stonewalling pattern. As it was with the tax return commodity trade . stonewall As it was with the health care task force stonewall as it was what the White House passes a stone wall . As it was with the billing records stonewall as it stonewall House committees here on Waco. On every other scandal on Haiti . On Bosnia now. On Somalia. Stonewalling on people in drug programs at the White House. Know if America. It's going to pass a more rowdy and an I.Q. test . On November the fifth. In the presidential race . They had better know something about the full physical records the actual documents. Not summaries by doctors. Taking down as when I get a physical they say. How's your health. Pretty darn good doc. Generally excellent They write all that down. No no not testimony from Clinton himself . The medical records. There are all sorts of ricochets flying around. Like this center of the new book by Roger Morris called Partners in Power in the middle. It has a brother who went to prison for cocaine. Under a cocaine poster named Lasser who got pardoned saying . My brother has a nose like a shovel . Get some home he was speaking Mr Speaker. Rule eighteen perverts me. Prevents me from telling the hundred or so people in the gallery. And the million or so audience . Use your imagination . Who has a shovel or a nose in front of them to days . For what purpose of Florida Rice . General recognized by a minute Mr Speaker. So I ask unanimous consent to revise and extend could you bring those over please.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    revise and extend could you bring those over please. Thank you Mr Speaker.…

    revise and extend could you bring those over please. Thank you Mr Speaker. I come to the floor again I've been here just about every day recently . Talking about . What I consider a national crisis is apparent to as a father . Someone

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    MR. MICA

    is apparent to as a father . Someone concerned about the future of. My…

    is apparent to as a father . Someone concerned about the future of. My children how I tried to raise my children and . Talk about the serious problem of teen drug use and abuse . What prompted me today to come to the floor is really an ad I've seen which a features the president talking about to his efforts to curtail drug use and . I just don't think that the president and. Is really dealing with the facts here and now if you listen to the ad the president says that the Republicans cut funding in programs now . I just have to remind the Congress and the American people that in fact . From one thousand nine hundred ninety two to one thousand nine hundred ninety four . The congress. The House of Representatives was controlled by an overwhelming majority two hundred fifty Democrats . Plus I believe. And the Senate was controlled by the other party . And the White House was controlled by the. The Democrats . Now. We didn't have the power to do any thing. And that PIR time period except raise concerns and I came to this floor repeatedly and raised concerns. I had over one hundred members sign a letter to the. The committee of jurisdiction asking for hearings because we knew then what was starting to happen that you can't put all your eggs in one basket . And treatment at the end. Treating only the. The wounded as it may be and a battle . And not paying attention to education to. Interdiction and also importantly to enforcement. And here we see the results and again I bring this to the floor . Twice as many teens using drugs as a nine hundred ninety two. These are the facts . This isn't a something . That the Republicans have manufactured the new majority is manufactured and it's the result of firing the drug czar's office of hiring a surgeon general a chief health officer of the country who said just say maybe . Then we had a president who got on T.V. and I still can't believe it and. I was a. Personally offended by it because I have. Have children . And he said . If he had it over to do again he would in jail. What kind of a message does that send to our people. And what does it do . And the evidence is here. Again . These are the statistics of the latest overall drug use by our teenagers twelve to seventeen . Up seventy eight percent marijuana use up one hundred five percent. L.S.D. use . Use up one hundred five percent during this time frame and cocaine use . Up one hundred sixty six percent. And heroin is epidemic even on my own community I brought the headlines from my community. So what the president has shown. Now we are reaping with our children. First of all they control the House of Representatives the other body in the White House . Then to top it off they killed our inner diction. Program and I spoke out against it on the floor we even met with the president in Miami. And we said. This is a disaster. We stopped our radar sharing in our information sharing to shoot down drug planes. In the Andean region. They transferred this administration transferred. And I met with the agents in South America told me that they transferred forty million dollars and left them with a shoestring operation . Into Haiti . For their agenda nation building in that country . So the facts are in that. Just treatment doesn't work that you have to have education you have to have. Interdiction you have to have an Foresman. The fact is in the Republicans . Expressed concern I expressed concern on the floor of those house . And letters to the chairman and to the administration about what was going to take place . The fact is . Now that this new majority . Is taking steps to restore money in interdiction. We're giving our military and our Coast Guard. The tools to stop drugs cost effectively our our our borders and at their sources. So we're taking positive steps we're providing the leadership that's lacking in the White House . And again the president is wrong when he tells the American people. That the Republicans are the new majority cut. We didn't even have control we didn't have votes to cut . To change anything here but we did express concern. And this is the result you see today . Again a situation out of control . A situation where we've lost our streets lost our children. And we must turn this around . I thank you Mr. Mr Speaker and I yield back the balance of my time film as time's expired on of the speaker's announced policy of May twelfth one nine hundred ninety five the gentleman from New Jersey . As to Pallone is recognized for sixty minutes. As a designee of them and other minority leader. Thank you Mr Speaker . For more than

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . For more than a quarter of a century. Successive Congress has sought to…

    . For more than a quarter of a century. Successive Congress has sought to strengthen environmental law . In order to protect our air water and land from pollution and other threats . And from the

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    MR. PALLONE

    . And from the time that Democratic Senator Gaylord Nelson organized the…

    . And from the time that Democratic Senator Gaylord Nelson organized the first Earth Day over twenty five years ago. And Republican president Richard Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency in one thousand nine hundred seventy. That was a consensus that we needed laws to protect the health of our families and the quality of our natural resources . It's a consensus a bipartisan consensus. That led to passage and strengthening of the Clean Water Act the Clean Air Act. The Endangered Species Act . The Marine Mammal Protection Act . The solid waste disposal act super fun. Safe Drinking Water Act. And many other pieces of pro environmental legislation . However that consensus that bipartisan consensus that existed both with the White House as well as with Congress. Broke down during the door Gingrich one hundred fourth Congress that we're now in and there were as now about to end. Under the leadership of dole and Gingrich Congress for the first time in twenty five years devoted more time to rolling back. Environmental protection than to improving the health safety and well being of our families and our nation. Now many in Congress . Have tried to further. Environmental protection in ways that would benefit the average American. But Bob Dole Newt Gingrich and their Republican leadership colleagues have instituted a campaign to reward special interests. At the expense of the health and environmental heritage of our citizens . From the very first day of this current Congress we saw the special interests the polluters . Actually sitting down in committee . Writing legislation that would got many of the environmental bills that I already mentioned . Clearly it's the obligation of those who care about the purity of the water of. Drink and the air that they breed to actively opposed. This extremist republican agenda that we've seen in this hundred fourth Congress . We have to make sure that the disastrous environmental record of this hundred fourth Congress will not be repeated . I just wanted to say that this effort if you will to turn back the clock on environmental protection. Manifests itself in a major way in terms of the budget cuts that we've seen. And have been proposed by the Republican leadership for those agencies that deal with the environment such as the E.P.A.. Such as the Department of Interior . And I know that we have to make tough decisions if we're going to balance the budget we have to figure out where our priorities should be . But I don't believe that environmental protection in this country has to suffer because of belt tightening or budget tightening if you will. What we're seeing is that. Time and time again Bob Dole a new game which the speaker. Had basically a D. prioritise environmental protection. They've taken money in budget cuts from. The E.P.A. in those agencies that protect the environment in order to primarily finance. Tax breaks for wealthy Americans . And the reason I'm mentioning this today is because I'm very concerned that with the economic plan. That Bob Dole has put forward . That what we will see if he were elected and if that economic plan were put into place. Is the further deterioration of our environmental protection laws. Because the last and less money would be available for an investigation and for enforcement . Of violations of our environmental laws. Basically what we would see what we would expect . If the dole . Economic plan went into effect. Is about a forty percent cut if you will in environmental programs forty percent cut in force an investigation. Against violations . Of our environmental protection laws and there are basically these cuts if you will . These efforts to cut back on those agencies and what they can do for enforcement. Indirectly. Accomplish what the Republican leadership tried to do in this Congress. By simply gutting the Clean Water Act . Or the super fun program outright they weren't able to make the changes in the law and the substantive law . And so what they do instead is to go after the fund. For those agencies that carry out the law. Because they know that if there is not adequate in Forsman then the laws don't mean anything . I just wanted to give an idea of. What kind of impact . These cuts would have if they were enacted into law. A forty percent cut in force Mint would mean that the E.P.A. for example . Would not be able to reach its normal average of nine thousand inspections per year. It would have a significant impact on the thirty seven hundred Foresman actions . Normally taken by the E.P.A. annually. As a result of their inspection programs. So if you don't have the people to do the inspection. Then you can't bring the enforcement actions where you basically a slap a fine. On those who are violating the law. Based upon estimates from last year's budget cuts it's likely that scores of supersonic. Superfund sites. Ready for significant new construction. Would not get funded . And furthermore they clean up that many of the hundreds of superfund sites . Currently being remediated. Would be slowed down essentially to a snail's pace. A forty percent budget cut also have a marked impact on the leaking underground storage tank trust fund which was established by the Superfund amendments. And Reauthorization Act of one thousand nine hundred six. Leaking tanks of polluted drinking wells in many communities . And the trust fund is proving to be an effective effort to combat the problem. Current funding for this program for the underground storage tanks . Represents about a thirty percent cut from. Fiscal year ninety five levels. And a further forty percent cut would lead States to lay off some hundreds of enforcement personnel and greatly reduce their clean up activities. So even with the current appropriations levels we're seeing cutbacks in the enforcement actions in the inspections that these environmental agencies can do whatever cuts would come about as a result of the dollar economic plan. Would simply reduce the ability to enforce the law. That much more. I just want. To point out. Some of these facts because I think it's important that when we're debating the issue of what Bob Dole's economic plan would. Would mean that we realized that we take in consideration what the effect would be on the environment . Now I just want to point out also that. Interesting Lee enough. President Clinton has been very proactive in terms of what he says he would do if elected on November fifth . At the Democratic convention he basically pointed out. A a progressive if you will environmental agenda. He said for example that he would accelerate superfund toxic waste cleanup. Nearly doubling the pace of clean up . By the year two thousand approximately two thirds of the Superfund priority sites would be cleaned up. So here we have a situation where one person . The Republican in this case is talking about cutting funds for some of these agencies that would mean less clean ups of superfund sites . And President Clinton is actually talking about increasing the pace of clean up Superfund sites . Also the need to expand the right to know. One of the major reasons why we're able to bring in Foresman actions against polluters. For various violations . That occur . Is because we have a community Right to Know law on the books now. That allows individual Americans individual citizens . To know. Some of the toxic substances that exist in the in the community around them. And oftentimes they will bring actions on their own or citizen groups will bring actions on their own . So that isn't always necessary for the federal government to get involved the sort of supplements . The enforcement action of federal agencies. Well again. What the president has proposed is it's basically expanding Americans rights to know about toxics in their community. So that the E.P.A. would do more. Investigation release more information . And individual companies that generate . Toxic waste for it. Sample would have to provide more information about what kind of toxic waste are being generated in their communities. I wanted to just give some examples if you will about how. President Clinton has worked to protect the environment . And how. Former Senator Dole has worked very hard to do just the opposite. On August sixth one thousand nine hundred six President Clinton signed a bill reforming the Safe Drinking Water Act which requires drinking water tests to eliminate dangerous contaminants. President Clinton also vetoed the extreme. Republican leadership. E.P.A. appropriations bill which cut safe drinking water funding by forty five percent . From the president's request . On the other hand. Senator Dole. When he was a senator in December one thousand nine hundred five. Voted for the extreme. Republican V.A. Heidi E.P.A. appropriations bill which would have cut safe drinking water funding by forty five percent . The nine hundred ninety five. Reform Bill which was written by lobbyists for polluters. Would have prevented the E.P.A. from instituting effective safety regulations. For drinking water. Let's talk about toxic waste. Since taking office the Clinton administration has cleaned up more toxic waste dumps. In the first twelve years of the Superfund program. Increasing the pace of super fun clean ups by twenty percent . And reducing costs reducing course by twenty five percent in December one thousand nine hundred five President Clinton vetoed . The G.O.P. appropriations bill which cut superfund toxic dump cleanup funding by twenty five percent . From his request. So not only has the president increased accelerated the pace of the Superfund clean up in this country in the four years. That he's been in office. But he also veto these bills. The Republican leadership bills . That would have made it more difficult to clean up Superfund sites. On the other hand. Then Senator Dole in one thousand nine hundred sixty five. Was one of only four . Representatives. Actually when he was a congressman in this house. To vote against the Clean Air and waste disposal acts which authorize ninety two point five million dollars. During fiscal year sixty six to sixty nine for research and development. Of methods to dispose of solid waste . The bill passed two hundred ninety four to four. Dole also supported repealing the Superfund provision which forces polluters. To pay for toxic waste cleanup. And he supported repeal of retroactive Superfund liability. Which is also supported by his political contributors. What the Republican leadership has proposed and what. Then. Senator Dole has basically supported. Is this idea that instead of having the corporations that polluted . The environment that cause the toxic waste sites to be created the Superfund sites. Instead of having those corporations. Clean up the sites. We would have the federal government . Clean up the sites. Or pay . The polluters. For the work that they already did . To clean up the sites. Essentially instead of polluter pays his government pays the polluters . I see that my colleague from Minnesota is here and I deal to him at this time if you'd like the gentleman from New Jersey for yielding and for his statement that he's been making calling attention to the dismal record . Of this Congress responding to environmental laws the last point that he was making with regard to Superfund is especially important one because in the end because I think of.

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    MR. VENTO

    one because in the end because I think of. What I would characterize as…

    one because in the end because I think of. What I would characterize as extreme positions outside the mainstream of . The last twenty or thirty years . Of environmental law. What we have learned. And what we know and it put that knowledge to use in terms of public policy it has been disregarded and run roughshod over . As I said in the past I think science to. Some of the new majority is what the Inquisition was to religion . Something to be used to basically to undermine and to keep raising questions against and to withdraw from what I think had been historically a bipartisan effort to deal with the conservation of our resources the preservation of . What deserves to be in the rehabilitation of our landscapes in the air and water. Very important endeavor one that strongly supported by the American people and. It reaches back over cross Democratic and Republican presidents and. On a bipartisan basis in Congress but that has not been. What has happened in this Congress since a great tragedy because meant that we didn't do the big things . Or the little things. In this Congress that needed to be addressed with regards to to environmental law . In fact one example John was just touching on with Superfund which is means that we're still without They direct policy I think all of us admit to the one nine hundred eighty superfund law that was passed as having its imperfections but. As an example I work on the Banking Committee . And many financial institutions are saddled with a lender liability. And even that. Fundamental issue cannot be resolved in this Congress because those that are forces that want to keep everybody on . All of them liable even though a bank may have exercised its right to recover property and the damage that's been done to it has been done by a third party . That person that was delinquent . In terms of their loan so it's a great tragedy . That we cannot focus on that. Because there isn't an effort hasn't been an adequate effort to resolve that issue that . The polarized positions that have existed you know frankly . In the first two years of the Clinton administration. A lot of progress was made in spite of the hand that was dealt to them . By the its predecessor administration in terms of the Northwest Forests Agreement. A larger plan a controversial plan one that. All of a sudden faced reality. Before that I think. Many of many in Congress . And certainly in the administration have been in a state of denial with regards to what was happening in the Pacific Northwest with regards to. Harvesting of trees in the crashing of the ecosystem in that area. But this administration . Had made a commitment that the are for a summit type of effort. And obviously all the news was not good news as we learned more and more about these areas realize the fragility of those areas and what had to be done that the tragedy is that congress. On its own that mandated cuts. And temper harvest these areas that were excessive over the carrying capacity . Of those lands the Pacific Northwest and the truth is that the dollars were. Are gone that come from timber harvest insofar as we do make some dollars and. Profitable sales areas. Too often we do not . But the fact is that now we are faced with very expensive . Land management schemes that are necessary to restore maintain those landscapes in terms of forest restoration. In terms of watershed restoration in terms of thinning in a whole range of different responsibilities in which . The Forest Service itself and those that are involved in that industry could no longer sustain themselves so they necessarily need to investment . But beyond that this administration is working the Endangered Species Act. Working out. Significant problems in Florida and Florida panther . Working incidentally in the Everglades with regard to the water problem. Arguably a good solution with regard to the sugar farmers there. Than that. Than at catcher in terms of the West Coast in California . And all across the nation we saw a new spirit. That existed even with regards to our industries. This administration put in place something called the X.L. project. X.L. project means excellence in terms of environmental and compliance with rules. Leaving industries and businesses. Come up with solutions that really exceed. The requirements of the law that the Environmental Protection Agency may have with respect to air to water to other indices that the that are required . And so we had I think . For some time and throughout this ministration. A good effort on. Unfortunately . That had not all been picked up the whole idea of brownfield. Restoration other words. Changing the whole dynamic an agenda of what we do in terms of cleanup. Was something that was put forth by this Clinton administration. And many are now trying to emulate it and that's got in politics you know there is no law that borrows from taking other people's good ideas and putting him into law and I guess that's the idea the competition of ideas the competition of debate. Ought to bring forth the best that we have to offer with regards to. Debates especially I think in issues. Of this nature of course . The past two years of course much of that has changed things are at a standstill here. Fingers are pointed back and forth but I think if we look at what happened in the Clean Water Act where it was an open secret that special interests . Reported from K. Street in the front page of the paper. Had been writing the Clean Water Act Well it turned out to be a very bad act at the time that. That occurred Fortunately we're . We're happy that did not pass it went to the Senate . To straight. Principly a party line vote. And it hasn't hasn't been heard from sense . The fact is that . There are various actions taken on the Endangered Species Act which incredibly. Had a policy came out of a committee that's supposed to be the specialists in this issue . Which stated that. Habitat could exist without habitat that you could have a living animal or plant . Without a habitat so you could protect it in a zoo I guess in fact that's what they wanted to do in some cases maybe a greenhouse for plants. But it was you know it was really pretty elemental. In terms of the differences that existed there and I'm sure that that the point . Was as well understood . As we looked at Sadly some measures that didn't go through the committee or that weren't considered like suspending the Endangered Species Act for a long period of time . Did ever probable harm to some of the. Fostering of biodiversity our society other measures like the timber salvage bill . Today are still. Because it was signed into law on a must pass appropriation bill of course many of us feel. The president should have vetoed that bill a second time to make the point. But I think that there was a thought there was more authority he thought he had more authority that he could prevent the damage from it of course the courts have ruled. To the contrary. And now we see the harvest of not just salvaged trees . But the harvest of green trees old growth trees in the Pacific Northwest because of provisions put on that affected. Section three eighteen lands . And we see. Areas of Montana . That were a wilderness study areas at one time they were administrate of wilderness study areas roadless areas that are not at all been to harvest areas like the yak. That Bass has written about Dick Bass and many other areas that really incense should not and could. Should have been set aside and left as the way they left the hand that greater. Are now being. Despoiled because . Of specific provisions that related to Montana. Of course the whole issue of forest health. And the science of that. Forestry I think was made a mockery of by the execution of this bill which suspended all the environmental laws . And fundamentally provided for expedited harvest of. Of many areas. I think that the administration frankly . The Clinton administration under Jack or Thomas. Had in fact . Moved to had. Administratively with salvage . Sales in fact that made up our greater part of this. They harvest in the Pacific Northwest where there is controversy about the limits of what could be cut in it. It concerned many of us but. They at least had put in place certain safeguards but this measure went far beyond that and has of course . As its purpose to. Invaded these. These green tree areas. And done great damage with little money available really to upset that you know as we look at these . These sentinels that. Represent the of the life before in past centuries in terms of their evolution we know that when they're once they're harvested they're not going to be back in the in our lifetime in the lifetime of my grandchild my one grandchild. Or many our or any of your. Maybe or perhaps his grandchildren and of course this this Congress attempted to put on the chop it on the . The bidding block many many different resources. Selling our water resources . The grazing. Language all very polarized obviously we have to come to a resolution with that . No one expects we're going to get. If the as a nation solve our fiscal problems by on that on the banks of ranchers and farmers . The Clearly I think we need to. Back to higher degree of. Of of. Of of conservation and stewardship on the part of those that use those lands I think we're moving in that direction under the guidance of Secretary Babbitt he tried very very hard and I must say that it was to my. It was partly my fault others that we didn't pick up on some of his work in the last session we also committed the same trespasses that I suggest in another way that the others are doing this session . Anwar the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge at one point four million acre area and. The in the northern the on the Bering or pardon me in the north of the Brooks Range . Is it was proposed by this Congress to be opened up this one point four million acre which is the home the calving area for one hundred sixty thousand . Porcupine caribou herd . Really. I would say represents a window. On the ice age it's the way . Life existed in North America . Twenty thousand years ago and the glaciers pulled back and retreated from the ocean. The northern arctic ocean . And. It's an area that needs to be preserved if it is something I think that while there may be a want and ten chance of finding a wild one hundred percent chance of destroying this arctic tundra this arctic desert. As it were and in the north of the Brooks Range and. So I think these indicate you know the actions that have taken place in this Congress. And of course it's no wonder that the record . Of this Congress is reported to be so dismal with regards to the environment the members ever see. Very low grades with regards to the diet by objective groups looking at this . That they have formed committees and groups . On the majority side. To try to restore their credibility. But you know it sort of reminds me of the story of . Of the two Marx Brothers and. That I thought I adopt from my friend Barney Frank and he said. They said when when Harper who you're going to believe me or your own eyes . That we have to look at what this . Twenty month record is that's occurred . Not just the. The slogans that same to characterize the election cycles as. As we know where you know everybody seems as a a prerequisite of being alike that they must be an environmentalist . But. Being an environmentalist or being some of that's working on these issues is enormously important not just for the for the political stump at home or for the political stump in this law or in election years but what happens in these other years there are many more things that should be talked about the rule and regulation . Game that was played here. Suggesting you can be against bureaucrats and rules the. The various ways we put laws into a fact. Ending up with more and more litigation and less and less effect of this to fact of Lee tying the hands of the E.P.A. or the. Departments or agencies that have these responsible. Sponsibility which I might say . From the land management agencies from the other regulator and water are very fortunate this country because of that they are chaired by professionals they're led by professionals they are decisions that are not necessarily political but they certainly are authoritative with regards to science and facts and what has to be done. So we have a great. Task here and I think Congress is a role that is on challenge to federal role in terms of working with the states the collaboration that's gone on the great success in terms of turning the corner we see streams and rivers and. Landscapes that are being restored because of the thirty years . And many decades before that of work that went on with a great. Democratic presidents and Republican presidents but this Congress itself . Hadn't learned those lessons it's very clear whether they're being learned now I don't know I just came from hearings . Again at which we are trying to strip away the authority to designate that World Heritage areas. We are one of one hundred twenty four countries that participate one hundred forty six signatures nation. Worldwide . Trying to preserve. Cultural and. Natural landscapes all we would have is the power of persuasion but they want to somehow. Take away that power take away whatever authority. Whigs of the United States which the lad and created this list of. On the biosphere site. Want to take that away and that happened today that didn't happen last year that's happening right now. And that bill is passed out of committee the committee that is the specialists that is the knowledgeable group of men and women that are supposed to guide this Congress . In terms of this issue and that's what they did this morning. That's the type of Congress that we have that's the type. House of Representatives that we have. And I submit that to the to the American people and to the my colleagues in this body I hold that up as an example of what not to do. And I thank the gentleman for yielding and. I appreciate your comments because particularly since you brought out what this . Republican leadership has been trying to do for the last two years on the natural resource issues because that is the truth they've basically been selling the store and trying to basically give away. All of our natural resources . And I think it has to be

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    MR. PALLONE

    resources . And I think it has to be brought out in addition . I know the…

    resources . And I think it has to be brought out in addition . I know the gentleman from Minnesota talked about . The record if you will by by. Nonpartisan groups and. And basically analyzing. With this Republican Congress and. Because of the. Poor record on the environment that was established by the Republican leadership. They put together this Republican environmental task force. Earlier in the session in order to try to highlight how they were going to improve things and. The League of Conservation voters actually gave the members of that task force of that environmental task force on the Republican side . A twenty seven percent rating. Fact we heard . Just this past Monday . That a group of the most anti environmental Republicans in Congress had urged the Speaker Newt Gingrich. To remove moderate. Congressman Sherwood Boehlert . From his position as co-chair of this Republican . Environmental task force they were so outraged by his behavior. In trying to moderate this terrible Republican. Vironment legend . That they actually wanted him removed . As the co-chair of the task force . And if they of course said Congressman Boehlert frontiers force . The rating by the leader Conservation Voters would be even less than twenty seven percent so. It's not . This is not something that's going away that the Republican leadership continues to this day with only a few weeks left in this Congress to continue to try to turn back the clock. On environmental protection. I'd like to yield now to my friend. Mr Markey the gentleman from Massachusetts . I think the gentleman. Very much and I thank you for calling a special order because it's so important to remind the American people here at the end of this congressional session that the G.O.P. you know the G.O.P. It used to stand for . Grand Old Party

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    MR. MARKEY

    . Grand Old Party but today . It stands for gang of polluters . They took…

    . Grand Old Party but today . It stands for gang of polluters . They took the whole first year and a half of this Congress. Trying their best to undermine the environmental laws which we have put on the books in this country over the last twenty five years. They took the E.P.A.. And they wanted to change it from E.P.A. to . Every polluters ally. You know in the American people. They have asked the question is the water really too clean. Is the air too clean . Is there too little cryptosporidium in our water. Is it too little eco law in our Hamburg . Is the always known hole. Too small. Can we really afford to cut the E.P.A. the Environmental Protection Agency and Forstmann budget by thirty percent . Which was the Republican proposal. I don't think so. I don't think the American people want less . Environmental protection. I don't think they're want they want their water to be dirty or the air. To be dirty air their food to be less say they want to be more say . They appreciate the fact that in the twentieth century. Largely because of Democrat Democratic initiatives. We have extended the life expectancy. Of the average American from age forty eight in one thousand nine hundred. To age seventy nine today. With added thirty one years . To the life expectancy . Of the average American in this country. In the twentieth century. Largely because of Democratic Party. Health and Environmental and job safety initiatives. What a radical change we want from the Garden of Eden . To nine hundred and the life expectancy of an average American male and female was forty eight years of age . Together thirty one years in the last ninety five years. And Republicans look at and they said. Let's roll back Medicare. Let's roll back Medicaid let's roll back the Environmental Protection Agency . Let's roll back all the safeguards we offered to odd married people so that their lives can be protected in ways that no one from the of dawn time until the introduction of these programs had ever been protected . If they're working people of their Auden ery people. White black Hispanic Asian whatever . In our country. They all get the protections. Then they look at the Superfund program. As you know we have hundreds of sites across this country where. Polluters. In the twenty's in the thirty's in the forty's fifty's sixty's I just dumped their chemicals into the water into the ground near neighborhoods. Turning the whole neighborhood into a neighborhood nightmare . But more importantly. Putting the children . In those neighborhoods at risk because the water that they drank . The Dirt. Which they might have been playing in. It came back to haunt communities and so the Superfund program . Was put into place it's not perfect. It needed to be reformed and the Democrats were more than willing to work to ensure that the imperfections work corrected . But that wasn't the objective of the Republican Party. Their objective was to destroy the Superfund program. In fact . They constructed. Something which I call the. Ed McMahon. Polluters Clearing House Sweepstakes. Which meant that . If you were a polluter. If you were already in a court of law or in the ministry to proceed in accepted legal responsibility. Faugh . Having polluted the neighborhood. And you would already cleaned it up. You'll get a rebate from the federal taxpayer. And it will be. Half of all the money which. We as taxpayers put in to the Superfund program we give the money to the pool owners who accepted legal responsibility. And then they had a backup solution. It's the every On solution. Well we really can't afford to clean up your site but. If there's an acceptable alternative for you to get water in your neighborhood. Then the site won't be cleaned up. And this is called The Heavy on solution that is if you can get out of the con a store and buy parts of every on every day for the rest of your life. That's a good substitute for actually having water . That spring that will come in through the chaff. And there's a there's a great innovation. Everyone in America to buy stock in Evian buy stock in any water . And by the way you'll get no federal subsidies for that either . And then you have the super fence. If there's a way in which you can build a super fence around the site. Not cleaning it up. Though that's a good substitute to ensuring that. Does the hazardous waste material has been taken out of the community. It's a super fence. Super fiction. To be more accurate . Because we all know that kids on their bikes are going to be going right through these fences. Well in about fifteen minutes after the put up. And they'll be riding up and down these hills these embankments of. Hazardous materials. Not really aware of what the long term consequences for them in their families. Will be. That's the idea that the concept that the Republicans brought to environmental. Reform. In our country. And then . I sit on the Natural Resources Committee. What a great idea they came up with. We have. Subsidies on the public lands which we give to the mining industry. We have subsidies . On the public lands of the United States that we give to the timber industry . We have subsidies. These are we're talking billions of dollars every year . That come out of the federal taxpayers pockets that is. Money we don't ask mining companies. Timber companies. Grazing companies to pay the American people for the use of the public lands of our country we just give it away. To these. Fortune five hundred companies. So the Republicans . They. They say well we have a deficit crisis in America. We're going to have to do something in order to ensure we raise more money . To reduce this that is it. So they touch the grazing subsidies of Fortune five hundred companies noon. Gas. Timber. Mining. No we wouldn't want to touch those people . Those people who exploit our resources every day and then go and make a private sector profit on it. What do they offer as a reform in our committee . Well we'll allow grandmothers and grandfathers. To get into national parks across our country. For half price. What they did was strip out . This spring. The protection given the grandma. To get in with her golden age passport. Into the national parks America. That's how we're going to balance the budget . And grandma's back. Not the mining. Not the oil . Not the gas not the timber not the grazing industries that are on the public lands. They don't have to pay market price. But grandma she loses her. Senior citizen pass. And by the way the gentleman from the Jersey knows this better than anybody. What a tough year and a half or grandmamma. Poise she had a tough year and a half. You know. We have about thirteen million . Elderly women in America who live on thirteen thousand dollars Alessi year. The Republican proposal was to take their Medicare payment increase if I thought hundred dollars a year and grandma recourses sacrifice or water her life . A lot of people think she's been really get too much for free here in America . You know all these grandmothers living on. Thirteen thousand dollars a year and. And Medicaid Mo Grandpa might be in the nursing home . But the Republican's proposal was to make Grandma sell your home before she'd qualify for any federal help at all to keep grandpa. In a nursing home and we know that the average cost of nursing home care . And the United States is fifty five thousand dollars a year. And most of the larger states. Forty thousand dollars of the minimum even in the smaller states. Forty thousand a year. I don't know how hard you try . No matter how many years you say. You can't save enough money if. One of us. Or one of the spouses has all Simers of Parkinson's. To pay forty fifty sixty thousand dollars each year. To keep them in a nursing home. And by the way fifty percent of all people in nursing homes in this country . Have all Simers and. Seventy percent of all people in nursing homes are on Medicaid. But let's make Grandma sell the house before she qualifies for anything. And by the way. They also polls. To strip off the books the regulation . Which said that Grandpa can't be drugged while he's in the nursing home or tied down just to keep him under control. The gentleman forgot. When he came to the well and challenge the speaker on the. Medicaid beneficiaries are going to take away from the. The poorest widows in the country where Medicaid was paying for their Medicare Part B. premium. You brought that up the speaker said he was going to correct that he never did you might want to mention that and again when they when they were called on it out here on the floor they said don't worry our intention is not to hurt grandma . And they never

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    MR. PALLONE

    don't worry our intention is not to hurt grandma . And they never…

    don't worry our intention is not to hurt grandma . And they never corrected it. We were forced to vote here out on the floor on the bill. With grandma paying four hundred extra bucks each year . And by the way the same bill giving. Twenty

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    MR. MARKEY

    five thousand dollars a year tax breaks to people who make four hundred to…

    five thousand dollars a year tax breaks to people who make four hundred to five hundred thousand dollars a year who take seventy or eighty grandmas. Each kick in their four hundred bucks to then turn around and hand away. Twenty five thousand all the tracks breaks to people making over four or five hundred thousand dollars a year. Now let me say this about grandma. There was one weekend there where she could get Grandpa out of the nursing home. And they were so happy. And they decided to take the grand kids to a national park. And so they got in the seventy four Ford Fairlane. With the grandkids and headed off for the National Park. And then the ultimate indignity. The Republicans propose to strip away the gold in a password so they can get into the parks. Now . Is that right. I mean . Yeah OK . Maybe we should look at some of these programs. But . Do you really think grandma and grandpa are getting too much . You know they took us to the thirty's. The Depression World War two and then they built a sense of the greatest country in the world in the fifty's sixty's and seventy's. That has never been known in the history of the planet. They have sacrificed . This sacrifice to make just a great country is it . Now. Is it really fair to tell yuppies. Who are making five hundred thousand dollars . That you deserve a twenty five thousand all the tax break and we're going to turn again to grandma and get four hundred bucks out of her in order to make that tax break. Possible. That's wrong. We should be giving out those tax breaks to the wealthy and. Within the same bill . Should we not be telling that mining in the timber and the grazing industries that they should be paying market price. If you're taking. Coal. If you're taking over oil. If you are taking . Timber . If you are taking . Grazing materials off. Of public lands you should pay the same that you would pay. If it was on a private piece of property. We should be subsidizing you. ADAM SMITH The spinning in his grave looking at this policy . We tip Graham our upside down our Medicare Medicaid . And then we turn a blind eye to the people making five hundred thousand dollars a year and say no we're going to give you a tax break this year. But where's the sacrifice. The shared sacrifice grandma will always do what she always has . But is it fair. Before you've gone to the people that you should ask her to sacrifice for tax breaks. That's wrong. So that we don't have to touch the. The mining or the grazing or the coal of the other companies on public land such wrong . So the environmental policies. Of the Republican Party over the last couple of years have been just . Upside down. Just completely misunderstanding. What the American people want they want clean water. They want clean air. They want a hazardous waste site cleaned up. They want our national parks to be protected and again. Americans are willing to sacrifice what they want to be fair. And they want to priorities to be correct. They don't want to be all skewed towards the wealthiest in our society. They want to be balanced and if it's balanced they'll sacrifice. But there's no reason why the environment has to be sacrificed. In this entire endeavor . So my point is that we have a tremendous . Reckoning. That has a ride. Where the American people have to decide whether or not. In fact . They are going to allow for a continue to Rosina by the way . A lot of the Republicans right now they're engaging in the moderate Macarena. Where for about six weeks here they're going to pretend that they're. There is concern with all these issues is we are . The point is though that once they get it back in January we're going right back to where we were over the last year and a half. We've got a six week Macarena where they're walking around I see nothing I hear nothing. I'm with you and they do the little twist and. Let's hope we make it through this election. But we're coming right back with the same agenda. Cutting slashing the environment of this. country So I think the gentleman. For bringing this subject up . I think it's very important for us to have the American people know . The critical nature of this nature of this election and the referendum that's been created. Whether or not we should got the E.P.A. and superfund then. Clean air and clean water right down the whole line all of these issues . And. And I don't think that they do. And I hope that. Working with the gentleman. And. And those who have led this charge across the country because it's been a grassroots movement. On unary people. And in cities and towns all across this country . But risen up against this environmental radicalism . And I think that the day of reckoning . Is approaching where the voice of the people will be heard on clean air clean water and all the rest of the environmental issues and I yield back the balance of my time. Thank you. I just want to thank the gentleman because I think he's bringing back the fact that we're talking about real people here. When we're talking about these policies with the natural resource clean air clean water. We're talking about real lives and. Individuals that are impacted by it. We had a hearing today . As part of our

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    . As part of our Democrats. Family first agenda on environmental issues .…

    . As part of our Democrats. Family first agenda on environmental issues . And we had three . Just regular citizens essentially from the D.C. metropolitan area. Who talked about their own experiences with health problems . Or environmental problems that . Really haven't been addressed in other words. Here we are talking about Republican leadership is trying to turn the clock back . When there are real needs that haven't even been addressed. When there's a need for legislation . In certain health and safety environmental areas . That hasn't even addressed they had that the Republicans haven't even thought about. We had one gentleman who actually lives in the District of Columbia who died from salmonella poisoning or I should say died nearly died from some and all the poisoning I mean he he went into his. Whole situation of how he was impacted he was in the hospital for such a long period of time. Last night on Dateline . There was a whole. Exposé basically about salmonella poisoning and how. Eggs . So many of the eggs that are now produced in the country the people behind the store . Have the potential for salmonella poisoning. And there's been hundreds of deaths and thousands of people that have been made sick because the federal government has not addressed the issue of how to deal with. Eggs. Not only producing them but making sure they're properly process before they get to the market and people. Before people die. With genuine and I'm sure. I think. You know because you . It's come to my mind listening to you that there was another initiative which was absolutely preposterous and it was a National Parks closings bill. You know we had a. We had a military base closings bill because as the cold war ended they were clearly going . There was clearly

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    MR. MARKEY

    as the cold war ended they were clearly going . There was clearly going to…

    as the cold war ended they were clearly going . There was clearly going to be a need to consolidate military activities across this country to save a little bit of money . And the Republicans in this Congress to decide are they going to have a national parks closing bill going to close down national parks across the country . Now you know . To the John I've been in Congress for a while and I've talked to. Thousands and thousands of people over my years in public service. And I can tell a gentleman this. I'm never had a person come to me yet and say . Ed. You know the problem with this country is. We have got too many pox in this country. We really we got to shut down the parks in this country . And that's the. Posterous ness of their interpretation of what the American people say in the one nine hundred ninety four . American people want to balance budget. We accept that. We're going to go along with it we heard the message . I give you if I if the gentleman would yield back . That parks. Bill. I think they call that the parks decommissioning bill they were trying to make it that they were going to do a study and see which parks should be decommissioned and. You know obviously it was a nice way of saying closed . When that when the

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    . When that when the bill was originally proposed the sponsor sent a dear…

    . When that when the bill was originally proposed the sponsor sent a dear colleague to other members of Congress . And he used the national parks Sandy Hook unitive Gateway National Park in my district. As an example of a park or recreation area that should be closed. This summer. We had. Somewhere between two and four million people that visited Sandy Hook. Mostly you know for pretty much from the New York metropolitan area New York New Jersey. Me and madge and that many people using this facility . And he's proposing to close it and using it as an example of a National Recreation Area that should be closed just incredible. Well I again . We've been in this bill is not going anywhere. This year . But it just sits there right behind the moderate Macarena for the next six weeks . The memo says Son and out about adopt in a tree or go visit him and show that you're politically sensitive to the environmental concerns of the constituents.

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    MR. MARKEY

    politically sensitive to the environmental concerns of the constituents.…

    politically sensitive to the environmental concerns of the constituents. But it's the agenda. Of the Contract with America . And I don't think the American people understood that in one nine hundred ninety four. But as it's been aligned in detail as each week and month has gone by in the last year and a half . The American people have become quite aware that it is an environmentally radical program that has been put on the on the books that calls into question every environmental. Advance that we've made over the last quarter of a century. And. And I don't think the American people want to go backwards. I that they I think they want even cleaner water. I mean are there. Even safer areas around hazardous waste sites . And in each and every one of these areas I think that they have a big decision to make in one thousand nine hundred six and. Thanks to the gentleman I think that millions are having it explained to him. Suze I'm here today and I yield back again the bell so much more I thank the gentleman for coming on the floor and talking about this issue I think there's no question that. If you ask the average person certainly all the polling data that . Both Republicans and Democrats have done shows that people feel that there needs to be more environmental protection and more . Health and Safety

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    MR. PALLONE

    . Health and Safety Protection . And when we had our family first hearing…

    . Health and Safety Protection . And when we had our family first hearing today and we talked . And we had witnesses . That talked about some of the problems they face. We had another gentleman who was infected with. Cryptosporidium. From tap water almost died. We had a nother woman who helped organize a community effort to reduce toxic waste in her neighborhood. She talked about how we need more right to know measures. So the types of things that the president has proposed about which is accelerating the clean up of superfund sites. Providing more right to know for citizens and citizen groups . Trying to basically provide better enforcement . And more money for the force me. This is what my constituents are telling me and. And I believe when I talk to other members of Congress and other colleagues what their constituents are telling them that there should be more protection. And more funding where necessary for investigation and Foresman. I just wanted to conclude. The special order today. But. Giving an idea of what. Again. The dull economic plan would mean in terms of environmental protection. The concern that many of us has is that not only that. Many of the environmental programs whether it be the Clean Water Act the Clean Air Act Superfund that the Republican leadership in this Congress tried to gut that legislation. But even more so that by. Deep prioritizing. Funding for environmental protection. By slashing the amount of money that was available to the E.P.A.. To the Department of Interior. To protect our natural resources and protect our health. And to protect our environment . That by allowing those levels of cuts to be proposed and I'm some cases actually implemented . What we're seeing is the inability if you will of the federal government and also state governments that depend on federal dollars . To actually do the investigation and the enforcement. That's necessary to carry out our environmental laws and to make sure that there's adequate protection. Of individuals health and safety and environmental concerns . And if the dollar economic plan were to be put into effect. We know that they would be essential be a forty percent cut in environmental programs. So the types of cuts that were proposed in this last Congress for the last two years . Would even be deeper. And the effect would be that the Environmental Protection . And the twenty five years if you will. Of efforts on a bipartisan basis to protect the environment and. Improve the level of protection by the federal government. Would simply be reversed. Because of the inability of federal agencies to carry out the law that's what we don't want to see. And that's what we don't think that the average American wants to see. And I would yield back the balance of my time to speak . For what purposes gentleman from Alabama Rice . So how some special gentleman is recognized for a period of sixty Minutes some of the announced policy of May twelfth. German may proceed. I asked for a second imagine ten my mom injections no objections song a chance to speak and must be confusing to the people that are watching this both in the gallery and on C.-SPAN.

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    to the people that are watching this both in the gallery and on C.-SPAN.

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    are watching this both in the gallery and on C.-SPAN.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    About what we're talking about today . You know during this time of our…

    About what we're talking about today . You know during this time of our political careers and history.

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    history. It's an election year .

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    . And it's like selling Coca-Cola and Pepsi Cola.

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    Coca-Cola and Pepsi Cola. You have one side that says Pepsi Co is better…

    Coca-Cola and Pepsi Cola. You have one side that says Pepsi Co is better and one side says Coca-Cola is bad and what we do is create spin . Efforts . We try to convince the American people that. One side is going to do all of these evil things in the sky. Going to fall if indeed . A certain individual is elected president . You hear things about cutting Medicare there's not a. Not a provision anywhere in Washington where anybody has introduced or even suggested that we cut Medicare. All of this is partisan politics . Trying to convince you tried to manipulate the audience. Into believing their side . Are our side. Of any particular issue . They just talk about the environment. We're not going to destroy the environment . Not one individual. In this entire body. Wants to do anything to do harm to the environment . So as you go through these little periods of. Big speeches on the floor of the house. I keep in mind that it is that time of year . You're intelligent people you can make your own mind up they said on character based on history . Based upon future. They said all whatever you want . But keep in mind that these are like television ads. Just a few minutes that are dedicated to the members of the House to come here and to express their views and to try to convince you that the future lies in someone else's hands or the future lies in the hands of those that have it today . And spin is interesting here in Washington because you know I heard the secretary of defense went over to Kuwait . I think all of us in the House knew and certainly everybody in the television land knew and certainly Mr Speaker you news . Kuwaitis decided they did more to us there . Even though we sent five hundred thousand men over there to save their country . When we tried to send thirty five hundred men there. They bought it in a vet The secretary went over there and he explained it. And finally they let us come in but the spin that came out of it. And I quote The Washington Post Mr Speaker . I had said that . And that the Kuwaitis are inviting us over there to protect their interest . And that spin. But for the next hour we're not going to be partisan . We're not going to be Republicans we're not going to be Democrats. We're going to be telling you some of the things that have taken place during the last several sessions of the Congress . And about two or three individuals that have been an interior part of that. The two Democrats . And I'm a Republican . But there are two Democratic members of the House who are retiring from Congress this year. And I've requested one hour of this time. To come in a non partisan stance to talk about these two individuals . These two members of Congress . That have made a tremendous contribution to this country . During the time that they've served. We haven't always agreed . We agreed generally only on those things that were very beneficial to Alabama. Because Alabama delegation on like some of the other delegations in this Congress. We work together whether we're Democrats all right publicans. If we have a problem . If we have a need in the state of Alabama. The delegation meets on a monthly basis . And we discuss with each other the needs and why we need. I had a home port in Mobile below that I was trying to get and got it. Because I brought it to our delegation I said I need to help of all seven of you. We have things in Huntsville we had an army air force an army base in Afghanistan . That one of our members had some problems with we always work together . Some states don't work together on anything. Some Democrats never work with Republicans and some Republicans never work with Democrats or in Alabama we've been blessed. Blessed to have seven members of our delegation who do work together. Who don't always agree on the national issues . Who don't always agree on individual bills. But who do have guidance and direction . That moves towards a better America and a better Alabama. Tom Bethell from Alabama's fourth Congressional District married to Lou. Three lovely children grown. Born in town Alabama the son of a coal miner. A TURD. Attain the rank of captain in the U.S. Army while serving in the European theater during World War two . Holes an L.L.B. degree from the University of Alabama School of Law first elected to the House of Representatives . In one nine hundred sixty six . He was chairman . For most of this time of the Appropriations Subcommittee on Energy and Water and development . From one nine hundred seventy seven thousand nine hundred ninety four . As Chairman Congressman babble incurred substantial development. Of Alabama's waterways and the Port of Mobile and. All of the waterways . And all of the ports of this entire nation. For example he was instrumental in the development of the Tennessee Tombigbee can now. This development allow the United States to assert its full power. And international trade. He remains a ranking member on the subcommittee known engine water development even today . The other member retiring is Glenn Browder. From the third congressional district. Of the state of Alabama married to Becky. I have one daughter. I think a student all but at least I live near them. So he has a Ph D. in political science from Emory University in Atlanta . He served as a political science professor at Jacksonville State University served for four years . In the Alabama State House of Representatives literally was elected to Congress . In a special election in one thousand nine hundred nine. Serves on the House Committee on budget in national security . And while serving on these committees in the House Congressman Brown has exerted an influential fiscally responsible thing. Now as I've said we did not always agree on some national issues . But you could never never worry about the integrity of these two individuals are about the word. Of these two individuals. If they told you they were not going to vote for you just as well put it in your hat . To know they were not going to vote for you. Not because they disliked you not because I was a Republican . But because I disagreed with me. And that's the way this body works . It's made up of four hundred thirty five individual men and women from all walks of life from. All of the states. All of us have had some degree of success in. our Other lives or we wouldn't be here today . You don't elect. Unsuccessful people to Congress . You elect people that have been responsible people and leaders in their community. So while they're bickering between these two . On all of these partisan issues trying to convince you through their statements to vote for either Bob Dole or for Bill Clinton or to tell you that they ought to be a Republican majority versus a Democratic majority in the house. Keep in mind that all of that is partisan spin politics. You are the people who make up that . You make that decision . And I trust your decision. We have only one hour today to talk about these two individuals these two great Americans and. Dozens of people have called in dozens have asked to come. And to share with me this one hour that we have to pay tribute to these two great American people . The first is a friend of mine from Indiana Congressman John Myers he is going to retire as well but now he is chairman of the same committee . That Tom beveled now cherish. Congressman Marsh . Thought of junction sort of. Mr Speaker. We think our friend. Sonny Callahan from Alabama for taking this hour to remember and honor . The thirty years of service of our colleagues on November the eighth one thousand and sixty six seventy two new members were elected to Congress .

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    MR. MYERS

    sixty six seventy two new members were elected to Congress .

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    sixty six seventy two new members were elected to Congress .

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    MR. MYERS

    elected to Congress . Fifty nine Republicans and thirteen Democrats. Today…

    elected to Congress . Fifty nine Republicans and thirteen Democrats. Today there are three of us in that class remaining in the House of Representatives . And as been mentioned already all three of us are chosen this thirtieth year in Congress to retire. Congressman. But Governor A from Mississippi . The first who are ordering deception in . Tom Bevel of Alabama and. I'm from Indiana. Of that class. There was another member who went on had trouble keeping a job here . Served only four years in the house by talk with him this morning former vice president and former president ited States George Bush said for me to extend best wishes and congratulations to Tom Bevel and sorry my gun ready for the thirty years of service. Thomas. I call him. Serve sixteen years as chairman of the subcommittee where we both have served the sixteen years I served sixteen years as his ranking member. And the past two years because of the election . I have been the honor of having a chairmanship and Tom's been the ranking member but. The relationship never changed. It's completely absolutely nonpartisan Tom. Was a gentleman. Nothing went into a bill this we both agreed when he was chairman and the last two years. Of the confrontation of a few people. Partisanship doesn't play a role in our subcommittee. To continue the same way. The country was more important . Tom. Grew up in Alabama was born in Alabama. His family had a little country store. And Tom worked as a clerk in a country store growing up as a coal mining area . He went on to serve it to graduate from Walker County High School in Alabama went on to the University Alabama where he got his. Law degree and served in Europe in World War two came back . And practiced law for sixteen years in Jasper. Alabama where they still claim hold him. But the thing in Alabama not business district many many times . Both Democrats and Republicans voted for Tom Bevel . Because they knew they had a person it was fair. Would tell them just as . Mr CALLAHAN mentioned here to tell you the truth and they were they were getting double talk . They love Tom Bevel. And they still love Tom Bevel. So he's going to go back home I understand and. Alabama once again . Go back with his wife Lou. His wife Lou my wife Carol in the through. The two couples I've been friends for the thirty years we've had you on are serving togetherness Congress. But Tom And Lou Bevil are true . Great people . Their three children and our grandchildren I know they're going to enjoy. So today I'm pleased to be able to join the many friends of Tom Bethell has to say thank you Tom for your years of service and thank you for the. Courtesy. Thanks for being a gentleman. All of those years. When we served to gether. Thank you. You know another gentleman who's retiring this year a gentleman just mentioned by Mr Myers the gentleman from Mississippi . Sonny Montgomery bespeak a Haitian namaskar who buys the environment. Out of tax and sort of gentleman may proceed. I

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    sort of gentleman may proceed. I thank the gentleman from Alabama . Mr…

    sort of gentleman may proceed. I thank the gentleman from Alabama . Mr CALLAHAN forgive me this opportunity . And I like paid tribute to both Tom Babbo and planned Brad. Oh

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    MR. MONTGOMERY

    planned Brad. Oh there it. Well

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    there are a time and . And misspeak.

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    MR. MONTGOMERY

    misspeak. I'm pleased to speak today a long time friend . Tom and I both…

    misspeak. I'm pleased to speak today a long time friend . Tom and I both as mentioned by John Myers . We start it is. Is freshman together we've been friends ever since . That was thirty years ago. And during that time I have to say that there's never been a better representative for Alabama for this nation than Tom Bevel. Mr Speaker he served in the European theater . During the World War two and attained the rank of captain and . We three Tom Bethell John . All three served in the European theater and . We didn't serve together but we were there at the same time. So coming to Washington for Tom was not a tough big problem. He had been in the war . He knew that he could handle the job and and his constituents very proud of him he's had an excellent record. To the people of his state. And to his congressional district . And. Mr Speaker. He might have had a tough race the first time he ran the first two years but after that he has been elected without opposition . And really has had no problems. Coming to the Congress again. Has been mentioned he's a senior member of the House Appropriations Committee and. And served as chairman of the seven Committee on Energy and Water Development from one thousand nine hundred seventy seven to one thousand nine hundred ninety four. He's now the ranking member. As we all know and he and John Miles work together so well. He did have a lot to do with the ten Tom. Waterway system which . Goes between two states Alabama and Mississippi . Now Mr speak out on the ten Tom . That's a lock and dam the bass the name of. Tom Bell the lock and dam. In our congressional districts Joan each other but you know the biggest sign in my congressional district . Is Tom Bella lock and dam and his sign points out of the way. Tease him alot about that but it is a big sign . In my congressional district . I have enjoyed having Tom. Bevel being a part of the prayer breakfast group and. Pete Geren of the. Texas acid I would mention about . Tom Bevel he's known as assistant to the system. Chaplain. Prayer Breakfast . He didn't get to act much but the does come a lot. And we enjoy very much . Working together . So about Tom Lewis been wonderful He's got three wonderful children . And I wish him the best . I'd like to mention about moving to Glen Brown. River proud of Glen and what he's done since he's been in the Congress . I sat with him on the National Security Committee. And he's performed his duties. Is where there's any member. I know of he has had. Fort McConnell in Alabama . Has been in his congressional district. He is actually himself. With the help from the other members of the Alabama delegation. Say Fort McClellan Alabama from being closed . Fort McClellan He's been on the base closure list for a number of years and I know for sure he saved it for for two years . In a row so to. Glynne his wife back in their daughter. Genea Rebecca. Or wish him. Him the best in England and his wife and family will make it well. And I thank the gentleman from Alabama yelling me this time . I thank you sir. And now Mr Speaker I'd like to hear just a few minutes to one of the individuals who are retiring to show you what kind of individual he has he's here to give praise to the other member we're talking about . Congressman Tom Bell of Alabama.

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    That speaker. Which you know just sort of the gentleman may proceed. Thank…

    That speaker. Which you know just sort of the gentleman may proceed. Thank you my good friend and colleague Congressman Callahan I rise today to pay tribute to my good friend and colleague from Alabama congressman Glen Browder.

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    MR. BEVILL

    congressman Glen Browder. Glenn.

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    Is leaving office with a fine record of service to Alabama's third…

    Is leaving office with a fine record of service to Alabama's third Congressional District sense .

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    MR. BEVILL

    service to Alabama's third Congressional District sense . One thousand…

    service to Alabama's third Congressional District sense . One thousand nine hundred nine . As you know . Lynn was elected after the death of our longtime colleague Bill Nichols. Wow no one could replace Bill Nichols. Glenn certainly has done an outstanding job picking up where Congressman nickels left off. He has made a name for himself as a quietly determined highly intelligent and well focused. Member of Congress . Like Bill Nichols. Glenn Browder. Won a seat on the House National Security Committee where he has become a very effective advocate . On a wide range of military issues . He fault to keep McClellan off the base closure list and develop broad expertise on the use and storage of chemical weapons. He has worked diligently on behalf of Persian Gulf veterans who have suffered strange symptoms since returning from the conflict with Iraq. Glenn has pushed the Pentagon to provide more information on their potential exposure to chemical agents. Glenn Browder has always been physically conservative and. Has provided. Outstanding leadership on campaign reform issues . And budget matters. I have thoroughly enjoyed working with Glenn brother and spatially own projects of concern to Alabama. He has always been very dedicated not only to his district but also to our entire state of Alabama . And our nation. Whatever course. Then brother chooses to pursue. I am confident he will be highly successful. Meanwhile his accomplishments here in the Congress will always be remembered and be appreciated. Glenn. I wish you and your liver wife Becky all the best. In your future endeavors . To speak at this time I'd like to recognize he has a conference he had must attend a little bit out of order but nevertheless . Not how a border with free. Spect to his. Has his vitality to this conversation Mr Alan Mollohan of West Virginia .

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    Mr Alan Mollohan of West Virginia . Thank the distinguished chairman. I…

    Mr Alan Mollohan of West Virginia . Thank the distinguished chairman. I appreciate very much is making possible the special order . Mr Speaker thank you for allowing me to take the floor today for this fitting tribute to our distinguished colleagues from Alabama . Tom Bevel. And Glen Browder . I'm

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    MR. MOLLOHAN

    pleased that my personal words of appreciation for their contributions to…

    pleased that my personal words of appreciation for their contributions to this house and. To offer my best wishes to each of them as. Their terms come to a close and. As they look to their future . I had the great pleasure of serving with . Glenn on the Budget Committee he is a particularly distinguished bright. Makes a wonderful contribution to that committee and. Brings a lot of common sense to the process. I know that he will prosper as he leaves the house and I . And I certainly wish him well . Naturally as a member of the Appropriations Committee. Allocute Lee . Feel the absence of Mr Bevil and the leadership that. He has provided to that committee. As chairman and the ranking member of the Energy and Water subcommittee . He's one of the most . He's one of the most respected members of our appropriations committee . And the entire U.S. House of Representatives and it saddens me greatly . To see him go for a long number of years my father who served in this body served with. Tom Bevel. And then always considered him to be as close as you could come to the ideal . Of a member of Congress . Since taking up the responsibilities of representing the First Congressional District here. I have found that dad is absolutely right . Tom Bevel is bright . He's discipline. He's full of integrity . And not only courteous. But he's kind . These are the qualities that have made him an effective popular representative of the people of Alabama's fourth congressional district . And they're the same qualities. That have made him a widely admired . Member of the house . Of course. Of course he is. Made his mark mainly through his years of leadership . The Energy and Water Development Subcommittee that can be a tough job. There are so many worthy projects brought to the attention of this committee real needs urgent needs in communities all across the nation. Yet even in the best of times there are simply not enough resources to go around . Being able to take up as many of them as possible and Blin them into a thoughtful . National policy Well that's a real legislative. Art. And Tom Bevel is the master of it . I doubt there's a district anywhere. That hasn't benefited in some measure from Tom bevels commitment to meeting. America's energy and water development needs . His good work will be remembered long after he leaves this body . So too will his gracious manner . And the goodwill . He has consistently shown to members on both sides of the aisle . And that's a real hallmark of his service in fact. He has work hand in hand and a real bipartisan spirit . With another. Very distinguished. And retiring. Member of this committee. Of this house . John Myers. John Myers has been equally an outstanding servant of the people . They are both wonderful man and a powerful. Legislative team. Well Thomas a true gentleman . As well as a distinguished legislator. And he will be missed sorely. Thank you and thank you to. Mr Browder. For your faithful service to this house . And to the people of West Virginia and . My best personal best wishes go with you. The want to share with you. A great expression of appreciation from the constituents of the first congressional district of West Virginia for all your consideration . Of their needs. Over these many years. God bless. Thank you Mr Speaker. Has Come now I'd like to recognize one of the gentleman we're talking about today. So he can pay homage to the other gentleman we're talking about today. I'm talking about Mr Browder of Alabama a lot of friction story.

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    a lot of friction story. Thank you Mr Speaker and I want to think . Sunit…

    a lot of friction story. Thank you Mr Speaker and I want to think . Sunit Callahan my good friend and fellow Alabamian for arranging. This

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    MR. BROWDER

    special order. And for the.

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    All the members who are participating here .

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    . I was in the gallery with my wife . Mr Speaker and I heard Tom double…

    . I was in the gallery with my wife . Mr Speaker and I heard Tom double speaking about me announce my turn to speak about him. For the past thirty years . Tom Belval. Has been representing our state and our country with distinction . And dedication . His sincere interest in the betterment of this great land of ours . Has meant a great deal . To many of our districts in Mound district of east Alabama for example. Tom has exercised his leadership to help Alabama Georgia and Florida . Ovoid a nasty scrap. Over the water resources we share. Because of the. Work he and studies he sponsored. We seem to be moving toward. Toward a regional understanding. On this vital issue. Tom served fourteen years as chairman of the House Appropriations Committee Subcommittee on Energy and Water Resources . There's not a state . In this country that is not a better place. Because of Tom bubbles' work. And his knowledge . Without a doubt he will leave and indelible imprint on our country . That cannot be erased . And will not be duplicated. Tom has always been a special friend . He introduced me to the house when I was sworn in as a member after a special election in one nine hundred eighty nine . At a time like that. It's nice to have a man of his stature speaking for you. Tom has the respect of members on both sides of the. He has earned this respect by his hard work. His attention to detail. And his willingness to help another member. Even when there's no political gain. For himself . On this occasion I also want to mention Tom's lovely wife Lou. Who is a strong and caring a person. As Tom . I wish them both the best for all they have done for Alabama. And the rest of the country. Mr Speaker I yield. The. Mr CALLAHAN the. Right thank you Mr Broder thank you for your kind words and for your service to speaker and now I'd like to introduce my next door neighbor. The man who represents the congressional district next of our Congressman Terry Everett Alabama.

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    Congressman Terry Everett Alabama. Just figured I'd like to first thank my…

    Congressman Terry Everett Alabama. Just figured I'd like to first thank my colleague sunny Callahan. For giving me. And the rest of us this opportunity to offer a personal tribute to two of my colleagues who leave this house . Having earned

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    MR. EVERETT

    two of my colleagues who leave this house . Having earned . Very…

    two of my colleagues who leave this house . Having earned . Very distinguished records of service . Tom Bevel of the fourth district of Alabama Glen rout of the Third District . Are well known to the people of Alabama. For the active leadership Alabama OF THE NATION. Tom Bevel is the dean of the Alabama delegation here in Washington having been elected to this. Body thirty years ago. Tom Joyner manner. Its character . Is late and its great legislative skills. Have heard him. The respect of his peers . Having served as a longtime chairman of House Appropriations Subcommittee on Energy and Water. Tom's. Influence has already been noted here today . Has been felt natural. Over the entire nation . For decades . In major energy research about and public works projects from coast to coast. At home in Alabama. Chairman Babbo lead the drive to build the. Tennessee Tom big. Waterway. You heard Mr Montgomery talk about . Signs in his district in Mississippi. Naming something at the. Mr Bubble. There are jokes . That you can't get there is a joke that you can't travel through a single town and. Mr babbles district in North Alabama without seeing the Babel name of a building somewhere . And while that may be true let it also be known that there is a bubble building in the. On the campus of sparks state. Technical College. And you follow Alabama down in my district in southeast Alabama . Tom is why flu will be missed here in Washington . After January. But they certainly deserve a murder. Much. Earned rest back home in Jasper. I wish them both the very best and I know that Tom will have more opportunities to meet my good friend. Mutual friend Doug Pearson who call for more often. Respect I'd also like to speak about another. Departing colleague Glenn Brodeur of Alabama's third district. Then came to Congress in a special election and that hundred eighty nine to pull an expired term of the late Congressman Bill Nichols. Glenn who says With me on the House National Security Committee. Quickly proved his mettle. In session only blocking three out of four base closure commission attempts to close. Aniston's Fort McClellan. Army base . When also made a name for himself as a budget hawk by gaining a seat on the House Budget Committee . And adding. Focus to the congressional effort to reach. About budget. Lens tricycle conservative . To them and hard work in support of our nation's military and veterans will be very very much missed. I wish him and his wife back to the very best as they return to Jack tomorrow about. Mr Speaker. Both of these German. Have given great service. To Alabama and to the nation and. Extend a great pretty face to me personally. And I thank them. God go with them. Thank you Mr Speaker . Thank you John of my Alabama at this time we're going to go outside the state of Alabama Mr Speaker. And you will time to the gentle lady from Arkansas . Just once Lincoln.

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    I thank the gentleman from Alabama for yielding to you Mr Speaker rise…

    I thank the gentleman from Alabama for yielding to you Mr Speaker rise today to pay tribute to a fine gentleman from the state of Alabama.

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    MS. LINCOLN

    Alabama. And I'm also proud to be here among the other folks that are here…

    Alabama. And I'm also proud to be here among the other folks that are here paying tribute . I found myself and. In excellent company. I have had the privilege of serving with. These two gentlemen for my tenure here in the Congress . And I feel like it's been a real honor to be along their side. Congressman Tom Bevel his star of the fourth district of Alabama with distinction since one thousand nine hundred sixty six . But in many ways. He has served all of our districts. At one time or another. As chairman of the energy and water appropriations subcommittee from one thousand nine hundred seven to one thousand nine hundred sixty seven one thousand nine hundred five. Congressman bevel has probably been more instrumental than any member in protecting preserving and managing America's. Water Resources. He's charges not been an easy one in distributing an ever shrinking amount of funds. To an ever increasing number of worthy projects from around the nation. Yet he has always been fair and nonpartisan in his work . And his word is iron clad . When I first came to Congress four years ago . The appropriations process was an unintelligible mess to me in an effort to understand the process better and to serve my district . I went to Tom Babel for advice I could have been. It could have been a very intimidating experience a young woman new on Capitol Hill . Visiting a powerful chairman . But it wasn't. Tom they have a welcome to me as an equal and treated me with the utmost of respect. He helped me learn more about the process. And was instrumental in guiding several landmark Arkansas water projects through the Congress. One. On behalf of the people of the First District of Arkansas . I want to thank him for his hard work on our behalf . I know that Mr bevels best days are ahead of him . And as he leaves Congress to return to the life of a private citizen. I want to wish he and his wife flew the best. There's one story I think that . I must share with the rest of my fellow colleagues . And I think it says a little bit about Mr Bevil that we all really know. Not only has he served the people of this country and of Alabama and all of our districts well. He's done so in a very wise and gentlemanly way . But he hasn't forgotten the important things in life. And one day as we said on the floor here . Mr Bevil and I were visiting and I had on a ridge jacket. And he looked at me and he said. I see you in that red jacket and he said I'm reminded. My wife was wearing a red jacket the day that we first had our. I think it was the day you proposed to her perhaps. Or maybe it was your first day. Tom Bez bevelled doesn't forget. And he doesn't forget the most important things in life . He has served to solve very well in this institution he served our nation and the folks of Alabama. We would all do well to follow the example of his career. Commitment. Fairness. Grace and humility . Tom Bevel is the kind of member and person that we all strive to big. And I'm proud to have served here with him in to have learned so much . Mr Speaker I also want to say a word about my fellow congressman Blaine Browder from Alabama's third district . I've had the true honor of serving as a blue dog with Glenn during the hundred fourth Congress . Lynn like myself is the founding member of this notorious band of Independent Democrats. We've worked hard for that name and. Have had a great deal of fun with it. The Blue Dog mission however has been about meeting two principal goals. Balancing the budget in a fiscally responsible as well as a fair way . And bringing commonsense solutions to Washington D.C. . Since coming to Congress in one thousand nine hundred . Glen has never swayed from those goals. He was instrumental in crafting the Blue Dogs balanced budget and had an active voice in all of our policy decisions . I'm not sure what Glenn's plans are for the future. But I certainly know that he will bring the same dedication and honor. To his new endeavors. As he has to his work here in Congress. I joined my colleagues in honoring these two gentlemen and I wish them Godspeed in the future ahead for both of them. You know back thank you Mr and thank the gentleman from Arkansas and I recognize a gentleman from North Alabama. Mr Kramer from Alabama and of course want to stand here today and pay tribute to two of my best friends. Tom

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    beveling Glen Browder . I join this Alabama team and nine hundred ninety…

    beveling Glen Browder . I join this Alabama team and nine hundred ninety one so I've been here for six years . During that

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    MR. CRAMER

    six years . During that time. The entire . Alabama delegation. Taught me…

    six years . During that time. The entire . Alabama delegation. Taught me that. Alabama has an A Tory its reputation for sticking together . We put. Alabama's issues first . We put our party labels. Second . And they demonstrated that. All of the time that I was here. Of course Tom Bevel and. Represent all of north Alabama . I have many industries in north Alabama that . Are dependent on their jobs to federal budgets like the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center and the army presence there Redstone Arsenal. At the Tennessee Valley Authority there in north Alabama. As . well We have so many connections to the federal budget that you squeeze any part of it. And we feel part of the pain from that squeeze. Tom Bevel jump from the get go. When I got here to make sure that I had available to me. His position of power . As I would put it not as he would put it there on the energy and water committee. On the Appropriations Committee. As well . Whenever I need to fight it. Whenever I needed to fight a battle. I could fight that battle with the presence of Tom Bethell. Literally. Tom and his wife Lou his daughters. Patti and Susan his son Don. Are like family members to me so it's very difficult for me to think of losing. Tom Bevel to this institution . Much less as part of my professional life . Here in the Congress. But as I stand here today in the. Thousands of John Myers . And Sonny Montgomery who left here . And listen. As I have both today. And days before today . Them talk about their experiences here together and separately. In this Congress . It makes me think that they just don't make people. Much like that anymore they are all through the illustrations to those of us here now that the behavior that we sometimes fall into doesn't have to be followed into. These are our men who work well together they put their partisan politics. To the side there's an appropriate place for that. But they bring into this institution daily a professionalism that it would be hard to match . This day in town so we're going to miss. All three of them . My colleague Glenn Browder. Was slightly behind me . In his tenure here . Or I should say. Maybe ahead of me. In his tenure here he came here slightly before I came here. And Glenn as well was in Alabama team member of a local to me when I got here . From Jacksonville State University where he served on the faculty at that fine Alabama. Education Institution. He served also in the Alabama State House. He was Alabama secretary of state as well . He brought that. Alabama background to our Alabama team . Of course when you come to Congress you don't get to be on every committee you want to be on Glenn was on the Armed Services Committee and as I said with our presence there in north Alabama . At the Redstone Arsenal the army jobs that we had they are often I was as well having to go to Glen Brown are saying Glynn. When the fifth Congressional District need your help . And he was available to me just like the rest of the Alabama team. Was available to me . And because I have the kind of district that I have I was often turning to Glenn for advice about . Well how do I get ready to fight Nasa's battles. On the floor how do I get ready to help my district with my Weather Service . Issues that we so constantly have there and he was always available to help us they are in north Alabama whether that meant meeting with constituents from they are or. Actually joining with me. As we lobbied on the floor member to member to make sure we won the victories . That we needed to win . Glenn to you and your wife Becky and to your daughter as well . I will lose you as. Almost family members as well I have enjoyed your presence . And have enjoyed your moral support here in Congress. You as well as Tom Bevel. Represent the kind of personality and professionalism that. I want to be a part of while I'm here. We will miss you but we will looking forward to see. We will look forward to seeing you and working with you in different ways Tom devil Glen Browder. Who will miss you. Alabama thanks you as we should. I yield that my time. Thanks Joe Mama bomb and now Mr Speaker. Are your time to the gentleman from Kentucky. How Rodgers. I thank the gentleman for yielding and for taking out this special order to honor the very distinguished members of this body who happen to be from the great state of Alabama . Glenn

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    body who happen to be from the great state of Alabama . Glenn

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    MR. ROGERS

    great state of Alabama . Glenn Browder whom we've known since he came here…

    great state of Alabama . Glenn Browder whom we've known since he came here . One of the great and distinguished members of this body . Who has served our country . So very very well and his tenure and. When we wish for you the best. In your future endeavors . And we're going to miss your service. Around here we hope we don't miss your company we hope you'll come back and be with us all the time that you can and of course the other member that's being honored here today. Tom Bevel. Whom I've had the pleasure of serving with . Not only in the body but. In the committee and on his subcommittee of recent years. I don't know how you can summarize this man's life in Congress in two or three minutes . In fact I don't think you can. But I'm reminded of something that was written. Some years ago that. I think applies to Tom Bevel as well as anything that I. Say . And I'm just going to quote it. The writing was it said. Real generosity . Is doing something nice for someone who will never find it out. And Mr Chairman there are thousands of people in my district . And in every district in this country . Who would not know Tom bevels name. And yet who have benefited. Magnificently from his work here in this body. He has been so many things to so many people. Touching the lives of millions of people who would not know his name if they heard it . And likely never will . And that's the nature of the labors of Tom Bethell. To his colleagues. He is both the. Quiet genteel. Gentle man who served as chairman of a very powerful subcommittee of this body . And he's a very caring southern gentleman . In the corridors of this Capitol. To his constituents back home . He was and is a man and . Leader who rose to . One of the most powerful positions in the federal government. And yet never forgot where he came from where he lives who he is who sent him here and . What he could do for his district and his nation and. As has been said the evidence of his devotion to his people back home. Is evident in every corner of his district in Alabama. And not just in his home district as. Terry has said. But throughout state of Alabama and certainly throughout the nation. His support for higher education. Symbolized by . This tremendous assistance he's been to the University of Alabama. His appreciation for his state's. Lands and rivers and the Little River Canyon National Preserve. As one star in his crown. And of course as as been mentioned. The Tennessee town big the waterway I'll not forget going down to the dedication of that great economic development boost for the entirety of the southeast of the U.S.. And being so proud to stand there . As Tom Babel was lauded by the people of his home region and the rest of this country. For That's signal improvement. To the southeast . And of course I've been a very close friend with Tom. Over the years on so many fronts but . One comes to mind immediately and that's his tremendous work on behalf of the Appalachian Regional Commission. A region that we share . And they are see would not exist. Today. Had it not been for the work of Tom Bevel. It would have been done away with years ago. Certainly the funding would have been sliced. To a negligible amount the same can be said of the Tennessee Valley Authority . Which has meant so much to the economic growth of the entire South. And since Tom Bevel has been here . The T.V. A has now had no bigger and better or more effective supporter and promoter than . Tom Bevel. We could talk about the. Silent work that he has done. For which there is no notoriety or credit. Even dating back to his very first days in the Congress. On this committee. Responsible. Among other things for the nation's nuclear capability. It's in this subcommittee that Tom Bevel chaired for so many years . That funded the nation's nuclear weaponry. And of course that has and had to be done in super secrecy . And I know personally of the long hours that Tom Bevel has sat and worked with the most powerful . Weaponry known to humankind . Being sure that his nation was prepared. In the eventuality of that awful event of Armageddon. And through most of the Cold War era. It was Tom Bevel who sat in the hall and decided. How much money would be spent. And for what in the nation's preparation for our nuclear protection. That is a thankless job. That Tom Bevel did with great. Effectiveness . And pride . But from my personal point of view. My district point of view. There are literally thousands of people today . In my district who are not protected from the ravages of nature. Flooding. That Tom Bevel solitude. And I suspect a great. Member. Many members of this body can say exactly the same thing but I can say it. With Feeling. As can they. That our people. Thank you for your dedication to their well being. People you never saw people. Probably that would not recognize your name. Except when I tell them. Who did it . That are not protected from these. Almost annual. Ravages of having their homes washed away their family Bibles destroyed their family pictures washed away . Everything they have would be gone. Today they can say they are safe because of your service to your country . And to them in this great body . The infrastructure of our country. Has done well. Because of your tenure here. I'm reminded of two stone cutters . Who were asked the same question . And. And I say this because Tom Bevel kept in mind why he was here all the while. He did not waver he did not wonder. He was always there . To stone cutters were asked the same question What are you doing . The first one said I'm cutting this block into two pieces. The second one though . Said . I'm on a team . And we're building a cathedral . Tom's been on team. And he has built. Not a cathedral . But a much much better . America and for that. We are eternally thankful to him. I have to say this in closing to his wife Lou one of me and my late wife Shirley's best friends. These two people as. His close friends know and even. His distant friends know . Are two of the best people that God ever created an accomplished musician among other things in her life . Is a true American and a great American . And someone that we are going to miss. Just as. Almost as much as Tom. If not more so. But we're going to miss the service of this. Gentle man . He was gentle and yet when it came to the things that he believed in a better America. He was tenacious . And he persevered . And at times even ferocious. In his defense of these things so important to him his district . And our people across the country. I know that. Time is going to. And Lou will enjoy . The next phase of their life. We hope for the very very best . We hope that they will . At least come back and. Honor us with their presence . Because we're going to sorely miss their personal friendship . And their absence from us for what time they are absent so Tom . And your next phase of your life. We wish you Godspeed . Thanks gentleman from Kentucky and I recognize a gentleman from Alabama Mr Baucus. Thank you Mr CALLAHAN Mr Kramer mentioned the Alabama delegation and what a special group . I think

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    mentioned the Alabama delegation and what a special group . I think

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    MR. BAUCUS

    we are we. I think he said it better than I would have said it. When he…

    we are we. I think he said it better than I would have said it. When he said that. Party labels. Come Sacca. We put the interest of the state first . We have not had the partisan wrangling that we've sort of seen in this Congress in our delegation. We really like each other we work well together we cooperate together. It's it's sort of the bipartisanship that this country needs and. You see it in the Alabama delegation . And I think that the two gentlemen we're here to give tribute today . Are two of the big reasons for that. Glenn Browder and Tom. Ya were here before I came you. You worked well together you worked well with. Sonny Callahan and Bill Dickinson and you sort of a stablish that tradition in the Alabama delegation. Something that I benefited from . Something that the state of Alabama . Has benefited from . Our delegation working together for the good of the state and for the nation . And first of all I think that's a legacy that ya'll will leave with those who stay behind . It will continue is now . Alabama delegation. To put aside petty politics and. Party labels for the best interests of our states are compliment you first for that . Second I compliment you for . The fact that you've been a good example to me both of you. When I came here . I came into a. Congress where I was a memorable. Member of a minority party . And probably the first month I was here the first legislation that . I decided to sponsor a little piece of legislation . Saved a little bit of money in the total picture but I went to a . And I'm not sure at that time I appreciated that he was a powerful cardinal. On appropriations I probably didn't even know that I wasn't supposed to be approaching name . At the time but I approached him. And I ask him to co-sponsor my bill with me. And he could have said I'm not going to co-sponsor a bill with you you're a little. Republican freshman and . I'm not going to give you the benefit of my reputation. It's too small a bill it's just too and consequential I'm working on important issues that affect this country every day . And I don't want to give a young Republican congressman. Anything that might give him an advantage but now he put all that aside . He saw that it was. It was good legislation. And he co-sponsored it with me. And. I was able to get both. People on both sides the aisle to join with me and that . That legislation because Tom Babble's name was on that legislation. And I'll never forget that town. Mr Rogers from Kentucky his district and your district are very much alive. Ones in Kentucky once in Alabama but they're there Appalachian. They're hardworking people. Their God fearing people and. He much better than I could describe . He served with you here longer he's known you is he and Lou in his late wife Shirley. Our good friends and he knows you man to man and. In he can much better. Talk about your legacy than I can . And I enjoyed listening to that and . I can simply say that everything that he said. In that regard. He certainly gave a wonderful tribute to you. I would say that only add to that by saying that I've been so impressed with your why . She sort of. I guess if you pick out . Someone that you want your wife to. To sort of uses a role model because she's here. She's up here and she she. As my wife is. They're both here with us here in the way you can. I'm so impressed with her and my calf and . You know it's hard to talk about that. Glen Browder and. Tom Half Men without at least thinking about Senator Hatch . Because that's and that's sort of a dynamic trio that we're going to be without and. I'm going to miss . I'm gonna miss you I'm going to miss Lou . I'm going to miss Senator Heffernan and I'm going to miss mine. It's hard to hard to think of you is without thinking of Lou it's hard to think about center half one without thinking about mine and I want to tell you how much I appreciated her and her example. Mr Everett mentioned. The joke about every building in north Alabama having a baffle center . As you know I tell you about a year ago on a reception that we had that actually was trying to describe a town in your district or someone and I described it as having a road that ran through it and about to traffic light. And they didn't they were. It was on Highway seventy eight and it really didn't give them. Much of an indication and I remembered that there was a building in the town that said the bevel building . And I said it has a building named after Tom . And actually this person's remark back to me was you hadn't eliminated one town in. On how a seventy eight. By saying it had a battle building in it so you . You've left . You've left behind in your district a better place and. Something that you can be proud of. They mention the University of Alabama you've been committed also to our community colleges in Alabama . Even as a member of the state legislature . That plan and proceeded you several years later but. You were one of the first in Alabama to recognize that not everybody could go to the University of Alabama not everybody could . Could go one hundred twenty miles to Auburn University that some people. Had to go in their community say if they had to travel over twenty or thirty or forty miles I simply wouldn't get an education . And you were one of the people in Alabama . Who led the fight for community colleges and. Thousands and literally millions of Alabamians that part of their education. To your side and your wisdom and your participation and that . Glen Brown attribute . I once . Man i asked me if I would recommend him for a job . And I said that I would recommend him because he'd coach my little boy in little league . And he done a good job . You know you'll learn some about somebody when they coach your son in Little League baseball. You get a real inside and. And I remember that when I came here and Glenn Browder now we're going to serve together I knew Glynn. As a stiff we've been in the state legislature together you'd been a constitutional officer in the state and I had been. But you know. Still do you know I knew you as capable a new use articulate a new years a good man . But Randy Dempsey one of my law partners. Had been a client he had been in your class you taught him . At Jacksonville State and. Knew that evidently been a mentor to him and you to encourage him and he shared with me what a fine teacher you are and how you really cared about your students . And how your students really enjoyed your classes you did a good job and you really cared about the students and Glynn that's always impressed me that someone who was there in your classroom . Had such a wonderful . Opinion of you. Back to your wife and people like Becky people are impressed with Becky . They're getting both of you that. Yeah yeah I have several similarities one of that is that you're committed to your family you're committed to your marriages and I commend you. You're a good example in that regard . Glynn you're going to live. You're going to leave a legacy . To our gulf war veterans . That's something that our king . About twenty five minutes guy. Hadn't heard anybody mention . But I'm not sure if you aren't the first person to go over the Pentagon and say we've got people that have returned from the Gulf War . They're sick . They have . They have . This debt up to Birmingham but we only have four minutes left and we have two more just I'm going to sit out I'm a reason and I'm simply going to say this Glenn you that's a devastating illness. You've

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    illness. You've been at the forefront of that. And you're to be commended…

    illness. You've been at the forefront of that. And you're to be commended on that and all our gulf war veterans and all of us who support the military oh you a debt of gratitude for that thank you it's thank you sir and I certainly heard hate to interrupt you and we have four minutes left we have three distinguished speakers are Mr Vento of Minnesota Mr Horn of Maryland and Mr hate about Obama. So

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    MR. BACHUS

    Minnesota Mr Horn of Maryland and Mr hate about Obama. So

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    if you will be very brief Mr Vento thank you for taking a minute I think…

    if you will be very brief Mr Vento thank you for taking a minute I think the gentleman Mr CALLAHAN for this special order and want to commend my friends and colleagues. Congressman beveled Tom Bevel and. Glenn Browder.

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    MR. VENTO

    I think that what we see a pit in my eyes in these two good. National…

    I think that what we see a pit in my eyes in these two good. National policy makers is the magic of what happens in Congress people are elected Fred with many different talents . And they assume responsibility here. And although they're not specialists in national security are specialists in a role they go into that role and do yeoman service and that certainly is the case in our in our care friend Glen broader. And Tom battle has grown really to be a giant. In the work he's done. In trying to hold together programs like the Corps of Engineers and. Over a thirty year period we've seen that evolve from a far different role than what it's played before and it really shows up when you work with them on a different project as we did with the park unit in his district and. You know it was one of the easier jobs I've had sharing the committee because I didn't have to ask anyone to help. Tom did all the work and he had helped so many members of Congress and had had such an impact that it was. It was obviously with a claim that . That was an act that. Tom was a tough job for you. But that we commend you and lo and Glenn and. Baccy for . And we wish you well I know in the case of. Glenn it's just a interruption in terms of his public service we look to see him . Back in action quite soon. Best wishes to you all. Thank you for your service and work. Are you under a gentleman from Maryland Mr Hoyer . I thank my friend Cardinal Callahan for yielding is that. You may approach. I have just a few minutes . To

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    just a few minutes . To

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    MR. HOYER

    decent Americans are leaving the service . Of

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    are leaving the service . Of

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    MR. HOYER

    the people's house . At the end of this year. This house will be a lesser…

    the people's house . At the end of this year. This house will be a lesser body. For their departure. Alabama. Will have suffered a significant loss. Each of us individually in this house will have lost good friends. Glen Browder is a relative newcomer. Relative to Mr Bevil. But then again . Most of us are relative newcomers . Relative to Mr Bevil. Glen Browder as. Spencer Baucus indicated is someone who cares about people . Who is a capable . Able regular guy . That you would be proud to have as your dad or your brother or your own goal. Or as your congressman. And I've been honored to serve with . Tom Bevel is a giant. Tom Bevel. Helped. America. Invest in its future . One of the first votes I cast was on the Tennessee Tombigbee when I came here to Congress. It was a controversial vote. It was the right vote . Tom Bevel stood and said if America is to grow if we're to create jobs if we're to have economic viability and be competitive in world markets . We need to invest in America. Tom Bevel. Is my friend. And he is an historic figure in this body. Few members who have ever served in this house . Will be able to look back on the record of making America better . That is Tom Bell's. God bless. Mr Speaker I have one more speaker and I know our time is running out and we just have a few seconds left but. Are the speakers from Alabama and if we could. And dull Jim to say a few words.

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    few words. Congress is going to give you thirty seconds . Thank you very…

    few words. Congress is going to give you thirty seconds . Thank you very much. Thank you very much for speaking and. Let's cow have it appreciate a tad. To both of my friends Tom valve as well planned Browder Advair happy to have had the pleasure of. Both for you.

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    MR. HILLIARD

    I have no Lynn Browder for about twenty years we serve we gather in the…

    I have no Lynn Browder for about twenty years we serve we gather in the Alabama state legislature and. It was indeed a pleasure to have had opportunity to serve there as well as here . But to my good friend Tom Bell he has been a true Alabamian. He has been a true American. He has been true to the calls . He has been fantastic . And what he has done for this country. And I congratulate him for the length of service . And I thank you for giving me the opportunity of being here with you. Thank you very much as a speaker in closing just let me thank you Mr Speaker for your patience recognize our time has expired . The gentleman from Louisiana I think is next going to be recognized and he's indicated since so many members.

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    MR. CALLAHAN

    so many members. Want to pay homage to Tom And to that. He may yield some…

    so many members. Want to pay homage to Tom And to that. He may yield some time to them but this is not a unity. This is just an appreciation ceremony to two great Americans. Thank you for the time . Germans time has expired . Under the speaker's announced policy of May twelve thousand nine hundred ninety five The chair recognizes the gentleman from Illinois . Mr Jackson . For sixty minutes

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . I thank you Mr Speaker and. With that I'd like to yield to the…

    . I thank you Mr Speaker and. With that I'd like to yield to the distinguished ranking member. Mr Stokes a lot of Jackson sort. I think.

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    MR. JACKSON

    Distinguished gentleman from Illinois for healing to me. And I'll just…

    Distinguished gentleman from Illinois for healing to me. And I'll just take a couple moments of his time .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . I'm sorry that I did not arrive earlier to be able to speak on.

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    MR. STOKES

    not arrive earlier to be able to speak on. Mr. Hands. Special daughter on…

    not arrive earlier to be able to speak on. Mr. Hands. Special daughter on behalf of. Tom Babylon and Ben Browder. But Mr Opie and I have been in the House Senate conference some V.A. had Bill and. We just got a chance to get here to the floor. I'll just take a moment I'll revise and extend my remarks. But I do want to say that. With reference to Tom Babel. I was whom I have served. Almost all the time that . That I've been in the Congress that . I've established a lot of friendships in this Congress but. No greater friendship I had than that I've had with Tom . I don't know of any member of Congress . Who is respected any more highly than he is nor do I know of anyone who's made a greater contribution to this nation than he has and we've worked on a lot of projects together . Over the years and . It's been a real pleasure. Privilege an honor to serve with him . To get to know not only him but members of his family his lovely wife and members of his family. And I want to say that . We're going to miss Tom here. His level of leadership has been something that we can all point to as a model and. With great admiration . In the same way and I want to take just a second to say . What a pleasure and privilege has been to serve with Glenn. Browder. He too following in the footsteps of. Tom Babel and other leaders from Alabama . Has been a real model here . He said in a long and distinguished . Record legislatively. And someone who all of us . And not only admire but we will miss greatly . When he leaves . This body . And just lastly. Time I might say that . I'm sure that . Our good friend Bob Jones is what. The pressure a lot is that afternoon and I'm not sure there's a smile on his face. With the knowledge that you and I have shared his special friendship . Over the years . And with that . I again thank the gentleman I don't know if the yielding to me. And I yield back . I think you Mr A Stokes. I don't know the Illinois recognized. Thank you Mr Speaker I'd like to yield one minute to distinguish ranking member of the Appropriations Committee Mr Robey life changing story. I think the gentleman I don't want to impose on his time I would simply ask unanimous consent . The remarks I made about our good friend Tom Bevel when we consider the for and I mean when we consider the.

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    MR. OBEY

    Energy and Water appropriation bill . Be incorporated in my remarks at…

    Energy and Water appropriation bill . Be incorporated in my remarks at this point in the record. And to simply say again Tom how much enjoyed the opportunity served with you and how grateful we are for the service you've given the country . And I want to say to go and that . You have I think. Performed tremendous service in this institution with good humor . But with grace with understanding of other people's points of view and . With deep commitment to the things that you believe in. And that's what makes this country strong and that's what makes this institution what it's supposed to be and I thank you both for your service here. Gentleman from Illinois recognized Mr Jackson. I thank you Mr Speaker I certainly want to take this opportunity to thank Tom Bevel and. Glynn Browder as well for their years of service to this institution . And while I have

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    their years of service to this institution . And while I have

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    MR. JACKSON

    not had the privilege of knowing and working with them at the level that I…

    not had the privilege of knowing and working with them at the level that I wish I could have their reputations in this institution. As genuine public servants. Certainly precedes them and I'm just honored to have the privilege to be from the state of Illinois . To follow in their tradition of public service. The roles they have represented this institution is not without great distinction without the kind of merit that is truly needs to be the. Stowed. Upon public servants . In this institution . Today Mr Speaker I'm joined by the distinguished gentleman from Louisiana. Mr Fields to talk about an issue . Of critical importance during this electoral season. The issue of affirmative action. And with that Mr Speaker I'd like to ask the distinguished gentleman from Louisiana . To engage me in a colloquy. For the remainder in the balance of our time I thank the gentleman for yielding and I too would like to add to the to the accolades that have been disposed. Bestowed upon. Tom Bell and Glen Brodeur for their years of service as a young member of this Congress I want to thank each of you for the leadership . That you

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    MR. FIELDS

    young member of this Congress I want to thank each of you for the…

    young member of this Congress I want to thank each of you for the leadership . That you have shown on the FULL OF THE HOUSE. You've always conducted yourself . You say I was in a very professional manner. And I would hope that that people outside of this chamber. Have had the opportunity to watch. The two of you on the floor and also in committee . And hopefully the Congress and is better served because of. Because you had an opportunity to to have you had the opportunity to serve and as a young member I say to you. I appreciate the leadership that you have given to you to others such as myself . And I want to thank the gentleman from Illinois for you and me time I want to apologize to the gentleman . I had intended to be a part of this entire. Won't be . Able to participate a four hour but I want to thank you gentlemen for for bringing such an important issue to the forefront and. Front and that is. From an evacuee. Today to Small Business Committee held hearings . Which assessed the value and and the continued need for the Small Business Administration is a program . One of the most successful programs for helping the socially and economically disadvantaged to become self-reliant entrepreneur . It is no surprise that we find ourselves addressing the issues of affirmative action doing this political season . For despite the. What. All of the micro economic indicators may describe . Many in our nation find themselves dominated by economic anxiety. We know for power from past experience. That in such a climate. Politicians used to feel driven dynamic of scapegoating . And blaming to divide us from each other we are at a critical junction in the way of our nation addressing the issues of race and gender in the greatest civil rights gains were achieved in the one nine hundred fifty S. and sixty's. At a time of economic health prosperity and growth. Today as we face the results. Of global position of the economy. The downsizing of government and corporate America feel driven. Fear driven political divison is a bounce that. And threatens to games we have may . There's probably no issue in current political discourse. That speaks more to the nation's acceptance so denial. Of the existence of race and gender discrimination . Than affirmative action . After his review of existing affirmative action programs. President Clinton strongly endorse the principle of equal opportunity . And the means to achieve it strongly an adequately enforced . A form of primitive action programs . Opponents of affirmative action . Will use the issue as a where to divide our society . For the sake of political expediency . Uniformally denies that discrimination continues to be a pervasive evil. A fact of life for a majority of Americans. Opponents perpetrate the ideal of achieving a colorblind society despite overwhelming evidence of this rumination against people of color. When opponents. Presents. Present their rationale. Of eliminating affirmative action as a remedy for such discrimination . They often quote Dr King's speech. Judging people by their content content. The content of their character not the color of their skin. What Dr King actually said. Was he worked for the day. That people would be judged by the content of the character not the color of their skin. We know that such a day has yet to arrive . In order to understand why we're discussing the ferment of action today. It is important to place the development of affirmative action programs in their proper historical context. To descend into day we would like to first trace the history of affirmative action in America. Second we will attempt to dispel the myths around in this comp. Plex. Arena. And finally we will specifically address the merits of the a program and a positive effect it has had and will continue to have on our nation's small businesses. If we sustain this valuable program. I yield to the gentleman from Illinois. I think the gentleman for yielding . A contrary to popular opinion the concept of affirmative action . Has a very long and protracted history in the United States. The longer and more pervasive . Form has

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    MR. JACKSON

    . Form has been exclusive. Affirmative action. Which established and…

    . Form has been exclusive. Affirmative action. Which established and perpetuated the dominance of white male Anglo-Saxon landowners. For a brief period following the Civil War and then not again until the Civil Rights era of the century. A positive. Inclusive. Affirmative action was an act into law . In an effort to end the institutionalized racism and sexism in our society . The highest law of the land the US Constitution . Codified stinks of state sanctioned preferential treatment for white male landowners. Guaranteeing the slave trade. The return of fugitive slaves. And the counting of African descendants. As three fifth's human. African descendants were prohibited from learning to read. For marrying or giving their children names. Women were not allowed to vote. Native Americans the original inhabitants of the land. Were decimated as a people and survivors were stripped of political and human rights. Tenant farmers and other non. LAND OWNER likewise black political rights. While white male . Landowners reap the tremendous group benefits. Of the Homestead Act . And the land reclamation laws which provided them with oil and. Soil rich land that they are those who had. Work the land mostly Mexican Americans. And Asian Americans and immigrants. Were prevented from owning land by anti which were on the books. Until the one nine hundred fifty S.. Asian men were imported to work on the railroad in the West. While Asian women were employed in menial positions. And Asians were often. Not allowed to marry . The judicial branch also enforced. Exclusive. Affirmative action . In the one nine hundred eighty one nine hundred fifty eight hundred fifty seven Dred Scott ruling . The Supreme Court made the strongest possible statement . Of white males preferred treatment. And status. That a black man. Had no rights that a White was back. It was not until the Emancipation Proclamation that the concept of inclusive affirmative action. Originated with the Civil War Amendments to the Constitution. The first major reckon struction. Legislation was enacted specifically for the benefit of African-Americans . As a group of five allowed for provisions. Clothing and for land and for lease of land. And sale to the sentence of slaves. It also set up schools to educate freed slaves who had previously been denied access to education . This healing period however. Was short lived . And eight hundred seventy three just eight years later . The Supreme Court narrowly redefined. The fourteenth Amendment. Giving States broad authority to reestablish second class citizenship. For former slaves . The Tilden Hayes compromise of eight hundred seventy seven cut short the potential reconstruction by eliminating the promise of forty acres and a mule. Taking land. Away from freed slaves. Redistributing plantations to original Confederate owners. Pulling out federal troops who were sent in to protect the freed slaves. And allow the Ku Kluck and oppression. Then an eight hundred ninety six the Supreme Court. In Plessy versus Ferguson . Can apartheid . With its mandate of separate but equal . Legally sanctioning. The races. Jim Crow laws. Strictly segregated African-Americans. In every facet of life . From public transportation and accommodations. To schools. The disparities. Were beyond severe. With white school spending more than ten times the amount of money. Per pupil . The black schools. Yield to the gentleman from Louisiana the gentleman. African-Americans were not the only group to suffer. At the hands of white male supremacy . White women and women in general did not gain the right to vote until the nineteenth Amendment.

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    the right to vote until the nineteenth Amendment. Afforded them suffrage…

    the right to vote until the nineteenth Amendment. Afforded them suffrage in one nine hundred twenty. Mexican Americans and saw in the software was subject to widespread discrimination in housing education and employment. They were murdered. Executed without trial. And Lynch. Asians would denounce the taken. White man's jobs. And the fear of yellow pair with their two Asian immigration laws on the books in one nine hundred twenty four and one thousand nine hundred forty five. Japanese Americans were illegally confined to the two detention camps. Doing War War two and lost most of their property why wrongfully incarcerated . Exclusive. Affirmative action remaining. Give all of the land until Brown versus Board of Education in one nine hundred fifty four. Brown rejected separate but equal . As inherited. Inherently unequal . And laid the legal basis to end segregation across the country . Momentum for this milestone had been building since the one nine hundred forty S. and had in his roots. Educational Opportunity . Fallen war war. To the G.I. Bill. Laid the groundwork for the first. Affirmative Action Plan and education . Of all on their return from the war veterans of all races who offered home loans. Job training. And a free college education. Require veterans of all backgrounds. Benefit from the college waiver and lower interest requirements. Gave. They were given. Extra points on entrance exams . And provided extra help . For education. That runs prospered and so did the nation. It was in a spirit of equal opportunity to. President Truman forty seven years ago. The segregated not integrated. The armed services in one nine hundred forty eight . I yield to the gentleman from Illinois. I think the gentleman for yielding President Kennedy was the first to coin the phrase of his executive order of one nine hundred sixty one. Which barred discrimination in federal employment . And in private

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    . And in private firms that entered into contracts with the federal…

    . And in private firms that entered into contracts with the federal government . His premise was that those who had historically been locked out. By law or. By practice. Would have the opportunity to prove themselves on the job. This order though. Had no enforcement powers. In one nine hundred sixty four Lyndon Baines Johnson . And Congress passed the Civil Rights Act. The first truly effective piece of civil rights legislation . Since Reconstruction . Title seven prohibit public and private employers . From discriminate. Discriminating based on race gender. National origin or religion . It's pacifically outlawed the use of preferential treatment . To any protected group . The act. Established the right of courts to order affirmative action plans to remove the widespread practices. Of discrimination . However after its passage. Individual victims of discrimination found it difficult to prove their cases in court . Since employers were able to craft counter strategies which actually hid their bias. For example . How do you prove that a job has not already been filled. Or that you wouldn't have received the job on your mare . If the employer hadn't hired his son in law . Or that an employer. Upon finding that the most qualified applicant. Was a person of color. Internally fill the slot. Or that you were barred from the tenure track position . Because of your gender. Actually for unemployed victims of discrimination. Who are trying to find a job to survive. It became clear to policymakers. Of that day. That a proactive government strategy would be necessary to overcome overcome . The vestiges of discriminatory. Past. It was not enough. To merely seize discriminatory practices . We needed measures to under or compensate for the effects of past discrimination. We needed an affirmative action. To overcome a negative reaction to the gentleman from Louisiana thank the gentleman for yielding to that in one nine hundred sixty five. President Johnson issued Executive Order one one two four six . Which required

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    all employers . With federal contracts for written affirmative action…

    all employers . With federal contracts for written affirmative action plans with the Office of Federal contract compliance programs. Given to the federal government. Review of one third of the private workforce. Announced in his rationale . In his famous two to five to fulfill these rights speech at how how the University commencement. He stated . You do not take a person who for years. Been hobbled by changed and liberate him. Bring him to the starting line of a race and then say. You are free to compete with all of the others . And still justly believe that you have been completely fair . He recognized that merely outlawing discrimination and. Equalizing the law of competition. Wasn't enough . He called for equality as a result. Not as a philosophy. In one nine hundred sixty seven . The audit was extended to women. But in of his administration L.B.J. was mirrored down by the wall and unable to carry out his enforcement and promise of his economic justice agenda. Interesting. It was under President Richard Nixon . That the parameters of modern affirmative action programs were set. Seven hundred large corporations recommended. Use of the management by object of concept of goals and timetables. Not quotas . They ought to require that employers. Make a good faith effort to hire women and people of color. By setting targets and timetables to achieve these goals. Then it is one not invoked. If employers. Made good faith efforts to make their goals. And executive order. Pacifically prohibit prohibit the use of quotes. This that it remained a state of the law. Today . In one nine hundred seventy three affirmative action was extended to people with disabilities. And in one nine hundred seventy four to. veterans I owe to the gentleman of Illinois. I think the gentleman for yielding one nine thousand hundred seventy eight a divided Supreme Court and University of California versus Bucky. Struck down a U.C. Davis

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    admission program . Which set aside sixteen of one hundred slots for…

    admission program . Which set aside sixteen of one hundred slots for disadvantaged students . As an impermissible quota. The baccy court did however. Affirm the use of race or ethnicity . As a factor. To be considered along with many other factors . It is commonplace for schools to seek out students with special talents or skills or leadership ability or unique geographic origins. To consider whether they are veterans or. Or promising athletes or children. Of alumni . Significantly the court recognize a diverse student body . As a compelling state interest. The vote by the U.C. regents however . Has circumvented the Supreme Court's recognition of the public schools ability to enrich their educations. And the educational environment. We now stood in fear of the long term implications. That this will have . Not only in California. For California residents. But for the students of other states who have followed suit. Two decades of constitutional law have defined lawful affirmative action plans. In employment in contracting. And education. Which include activities from recruiting and special outreach. To goals. Targets. And timetables. Not quotas. The court requires that the following five guidelines are met . When implementing an affirmative action plan. Number one race. National origin or gender. Is one of several factors . To be considered. To relevant and valid job or educational qualifications are not compromised. Three numbers do not amount to numerical straitjackets or quotas. And reflect the relevant pool of applicants . For . Timetables for cheating the goals are reasonable. And there is appropriate review of the plans continuing value. And number five. The rights of non beneficiaries are respected. The court has held that a plan. Is illegal. If any of the following five situations occur in an unqualified person receives a benefit. Over qualified one . To numeric goals. Are so strict to the degree of being on flexible . Three. The numeric goals to not reflect the available pool of qualified candidates. And thus easily become a quota. Number for. The plan is of indeterminate length . Causing it to outlast. Its objectives. And number five innocent bystanders. Are impermissibly Burd one year ago the Supreme Court dealt a blow to federal affirmative action policies. THE COURT. In the Adarand versus Pena decision . Made it more difficult to implement federal affirmative action programs . As it raised the level of review to the highest measure of scrutiny. Significantly seven out of nine justices . Excepting Scalia and Thomas . Rejected the notion of color blind justice. Prior to Adarand the court would defer to Congress. And to Congress's expertise in crafting programs . To assure the victims of past government. Governmental or societal discrimination . Were able to benefit from the educational opportunities. And business of the federal contracts. That their tax dollars actually want to support. While strict scrutiny is certainly a higher threshold . The Department of Justice has studied affirmative action programs. And is promulgating regulations. To ensure that existing programs. Are narrowly tailored to meet . The compelling government interest. Prior to the at around the city last year. The Supreme Court likewise declined to overrule a lower court decision which outlawed the University of Maryland's. Banneker scholarships. This was a program which attracted high achieving African-Americans. To the university. Leaving minority targeted scholarships . Severely jeopardize. Earlier this year in the April Hopwood . Decision. The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the use of racial diversity as a remedial for past discrimination. Is not enough of a compelling government interest . To justify an affirmative action program. Prior to Hopwood. The University of California dismantled. Its affirmative action programs. And several state universities are following suit. We are pleased to hear that the extremist Dole Cannady bill. Will not come to the floor for a vote due to the lack of support for the outright dismantling of this very effective mechanism for Equal Opportunity . And note that the same. Opposition applies to the so-called California Civil Rights Initiative . And other state efforts to undermine equal opportunity . Whether in employment . In education. Or in contracting. I yield to the gentleman from Louisiana I thank the gentleman for you and . And I want to talk a moment about the spell in this. What affirmative . News and what it. What it isn't. Today most discussions of affirmative action start at the end.

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    discussions of affirmative action start at the end. Discounting the entire…

    discussions of affirmative action start at the end. Discounting the entire history of affirmative action by claiming that affirmative action really means quotas and preferential preferential treatment . I thought it was important to start out to begin and and not at the end. After two hundred fifty years of slavery one hundred years of a plot by one thousand nine hundred fifty four decision. And in segregation nondiscrimination walls. Negative action to offset negative behavior. And then positive action to overcome the vestiges vestiges of discrimination. Discriminatory past . We are not yet. Today to Dr King's dream them . It is a myth that affirmative action is no longer necessary. The glass ceiling report a study commissioned by the Department of Labor. And created by the one nine hundred ninety one Civil Rights Act. By by and by a partisan majority in this Congress and Republican a Republican administration . Found that women in the law just corporations . Whole less than five percent of the top management polls. Why African-Americans Latinos Asian Americans whole West and one percent of these positions . White males compromise of forty three compromise comprised of a comprise of forty three percent of the workforce. Yet. Holds ninety five percent of these jobs . The unemployment rate of a half. Of African-Americans and Latinos are twice that of white women fifty three percent of the population. African-Americans thirteen percent . Latino's. Ten percent. Yet in one thousand nine hundred ninety four the labor market Twenty nine hundred ninety four the labor market twenty two percent of all doctors were women . Four percent African-American and five percent. Teano. Twenty four percent of all lawyers were women . Three percent African-American and three percent Latino. Thirty one percent of all scientists were women . Four percent African-American and one percent Latino. The well documented. Pay gap between white men and women . And people of color persist in one nine hundred ninety three on the average for every dollar a white man are and an African-American man made seventy four cents . A white woman seventy cents. A Latina. Latino man sixty four percent and an African-American woman sixty three cents. I owe to the gentleman from Illinois . I think the gentleman for yielding . Divisive forces claim that the Asian Americans no longer need affirmative action protections against current discrimination.

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    Yet whites with high school degrees. Make up almost eleven percent more…

    Yet whites with high school degrees. Make up almost eleven percent more than Asian Pacific Americans with college degrees. As a group. Whites make almost twenty six percent more than Asian Pacific Americans. Asians remain vastly under-represented in many occupations. Furthermore many groups within the Asian community . The Vietnamese . The Laotians . And Filipinos are characterised characterized by high rates of illiteracy and poor job skills. Asian Americans are really seen until your faculty or ministry to positions in academia. Comprising only four percent of full time professors . It is manipulative to claim that Asian Americans are the model minority . In an effort to eliminate. Race conscious inclusion. Policies and one thousand nine hundred eleven Institute study stands as empirical proof. Of the pervasive nature. Of discrimination in the workplace. Pairing African-Americans and white job applicants with identical credentials. The study found that unequal treatment . Was entrenched and widespread . In nearly a quarter of these cases. Whites advanced further through the hiring process than blacks . A study . Similar study with Latinos found that whites receive thirty three percent more. Of the interviews and fifty two percent more job offers . Than equally qualified Latino's . Kids and Latinos are hired. They are promoted. And paid less. In one thousand nine hundred two Manufacturers Hanover trust. Rejected. Eighteen percent of loan applications. From high income whites. Yet rejected twice as many . Forty three and forty five percent. From high income African-Americans and Latinos . In one thousand nine hundred four the Chevy Chase Federal Savings Bank. Agreed to an eleven million dollars settlement. Of a lawsuit for redlining in mortgage lending . Refusing to serve neighborhoods. Predominately comprised of people of color. Last summer. The Chicago Federal Reserve Bank reported that African-Americans are twice as likely to be. To be denied home loans . And Latino applicants. One and a half times more likely to be rejected. As equally qualified . Whites and less than two weeks ago on September the fifth one nine hundred ninety six . The Long Beach Mortgage company paid a three million dollars settlement . To African-American Latino female. And elderly borrowers who were victims of unlawful pricing practices. The settlement resulted from allegations of race gender and age discrimination in violation of the equal credit Opportunity Act. And the Fair Housing Act to the gentleman from Louisiana I thank the gentleman for yielding . Academia is not immune to discrimination . A study of faculty hiring practices found that once a higher and goal was met. Department stop seeking out people pull in their ads from relevant publications despite a number of vacancies that subsequent . Leah Rose.

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    relevant publications despite a number of vacancies that subsequent . Leah…

    relevant publications despite a number of vacancies that subsequent . Leah Rose. People of color and in particular women of color remain clustered on the lower tier of professorship. As assistant professor . And non-tenure track. Lectures. In one nine hundred eighty nine for example a study showed that thirty percent of all faculty members were women. Twenty six percent for whites with women of color making up about four percent. Without affirmative action the. Carious position of women of color in higher education is seriously threatened. As in more. As in most . States across the country. And higher education it is the perception or fear rather than the reality of. Lost of white male opportunities and I think that's something that we must deal with because that is what many people talk about today . Even though African-Americans Latinos Asian Americans Native Americans. Students have an rode in higher education . White steel constitute seventy five percent of the student body. Nationwide earn eighty eight percent of the Ph D.'s awarded to American citizens eighty seven's percent of college administrators hole eighty seven percent of full time faculty positions . To Chronicle of Higher Education for example listed. The racial composition of the thirty four hundred schools across America . And their student bodies. Thirty two percent of the schools prove to be more than ninety percent majority . Many have claimed that. We don't need affirmative action at the long. Need affirmative action any longer because we still have Title seven and the statues of the Civil Rights Act and nondiscrimination laws to punish violators out of seven is good but is not enough. It only kicks in after an instant's of this from a nation is claim. Affirmative action means taken positive. Proactive and preemptive steps. To root out to prevail. Of discrimination we know exists rather than waiting for an after the fact lawsuit. It is there to provide an opportunity for people before they are faced with such problem. It provides a form less costly and disruptive alternative to a protracted litigation . And I want to yield back to the gentleman before I do I want to thank the gentleman. For this for this special audit. And I want to thank you gentlemen for for for basically putting together the historical context of affirmative action . Because all too often the gentleman is absolutely right . Of people . You know a viewer from of action is two parallel lines where you take somebody who is not qualified and you. Elevate them to the level of somebody who. Yes. As you've stated over and over again that is not affirmative action is a circle of the first requirement is one must be qualified to do the job . And people in America must realize that people do not get jobs because of affirmative action they only get a chance to print compete because of affirmative action. And I want to thank the gentleman for his special order today. And I yield back to the gentleman of balance of my time. I think the gentleman who has represented the people of. Of the fourth Congressional District of Louisiana with with great distinction . I'm really going to miss Congressman Cleo Fields and the hundred fifth.

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    Congressman Cleo Fields and the hundred fifth. Congress he has opted not…

    Congressman Cleo Fields and the hundred fifth. Congress he has opted not to return to this institution . In light of a reduced serious redistricting. That is being challenge that is not insignificant . Or inconsistent with some of the history that we have discussed on this occasion . I'd like to ask of the speaker. How much time remains in the special order. Partially thirty minutes. I thank you Mr Speaker . I want to deal with some more myths concerning affirmative action . The distinguished gentleman from Louisiana spoke of . Just one myth

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    . But there are others out there and some have suggested that affirmative…

    . But there are others out there and some have suggested that affirmative action. Means quotas. Affirmative action has never been about quotas. It is always been about providing women and people of color. With full educational and workplace opportunities. Quotas are illegal . And they should be illegal . What affirmative action programs do is provide a measurement of their own effectiveness. School admissions officers and employers must only prove that they have made a good faith effort to achieve the flexible goals. That they have said . If a ploy is persist in illegal discrimination . Then. Then a court can impose a rigid quota . To bring them up to the level of a non discriminating employer. Quarters are only imposed as a last resort. And they are imposed . Only by the courts. Not schools or employers . Or by the government. Is it a myth that affirmative action. Is preferential treatment for the unqualified. Over the qualified Now this is one of the biggest myths. Of affirmative action. Affirmative action does not demean merit in school admissions. Race and gender are considered along with many other factors. Where two equally qualified applicants. Have applied for a job. Then and only then can race or gender be considered. This is only. This is the only one. And I emphasize . Very limited situation where preference. Arises. Affirmative action is a conservative legal remedy. If affirmative action policies truly granted. Group preferences. Of African-Americans. Would have long ago receive the proverbial. Forty acres and a mule . Native Americans. Would be governing vast areas of the country. And women would be at the helm . Of half of the country's major corporations. Maybe even. President of the United States. And speaker of this institution . Affirmative action is indeed a conservative form of Regis redress. When one takes into account . What true reparations for past discriminations entails. Practically poor management on the part of an employer may have led to the hiring or promotion . Of an unqualified person. These abuses must be corrected and punished. We don't need to throw the baby out however with the bathwater . These violate violations. Do not indict the overall effective mechanisms for achieving. Equal access . For all . What I what just amazes me about affirmative action. Often times when we look at the N.C. Double A and we look at professional basketball. We see Michael Jordan and Tony. Coco Tony Kuko on the Chicago Bulls. Playing together we see . Equal opportunity and we see fairness. As the football season begins we see African-Americans. And we see. Americans enjoying. Equal Opportunity and playing. Because of their merit and their ability to play professional or college athletics. But what don't we see as. We don't see in the end C.W.A. the vast recruitment mechanism that goes into finding qualified basketball players. The boosters clubs all across our country. Sinden newspaper articles to. Coaches and they say listen. Here's a qualified person who can shoot. Here's a qualified person who can dribble. Here's a qualified center someone who can rebound and grab the ball and . And pass the ball . We find qualified people. Based on merit . Until we get to the area of coaching. And then we have a problem when we can't suddenly find. Coaches all across our country. Who may be female. Or who may be African-Americans. Suddenly when we're no longer on the football field. In the N.C. Double A and colleges across our country. Suddenly when we're no longer playing basketball where blacks and whites . Play together . And we start looking at the classroom. At these major universities. Suddenly the same aggressive recruitment. That went into looking for. Qualified . Basketball players. And football players . Did not go into. Looking for qualified people who can write. People who can think people who can administrate and run. These institutions . Here's another myth. It is a myth that affirmative action. Amounts to reverse discrimination against white males. Reverse discrimination is not only unlawful. It is also very rare. Of the ninety one thousand cases before the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission . Less than two percent are reverse discrimination cases . A Rutgers University study commissioned by the Department of Labor. Found that reverse discrimination is not only a significant problem. In employment. And a high proportion of claims. Brought by white men are without merit . Many of the claims were brought about by disappointed job applicants who are found by the courts to be less qualified for the job . Than the successful applicant. White men are thirty three percent of the population . And forty eight percent of the college educated workforce. But they hold ninety percent. Of the top jobs in the news media. Are Over ninety percent of the officers . Of American corporations. There are eighty eight percent of the directors. There are eighty six percent of the partners in major law firms. There are eighty five percent of tenured professors. There are eighty eight percent of the management level training jobs in advertising and marketing and public relations . There ninety percent of the House of Representatives ninety percent of the United States Senate. One hundred percent of all presidents. I have I fail to see why some of them could be so angry. Affirmative action. Has not caused jobs to go. From white to black. To Brown. It's also a myth that programs for the economically disadvantaged. Can substitute for race and gender . Conscious programs. This non-solution. Cynically rejects the notion that plain old fake fashioned racism and sexism are alive and well I don't need to repeat the data buffer to drive in the point that such proposals would not rectify the realities of the glass ceiling . Women are sexually harassed. No matter their income women and people of color are still denied promotion . Job opportunities or access to credit. And equal opportunities in education. Based upon their race or their gender . Not their income . Is that a myth that affirmative action has not been affected . The nation as a whole. Everyone has been affected from. Fair employment practices . Everyone has been affected from the Voting Rights Act of one thousand nine hundred sixty five . Which desegregated. This Congress. It has allowed thirty nine African Americans who represent majority minority districts. To come to this floor of this Congress. And represent the disenfranchised the locked out. Points of view different. Can. Points of view . It was the desegregation of these of these laws and the desegregation of these institution. That were the goal of the civil rights movement. Of the sixty's. Since the standard of living wage. And living started falling in one nine hundred seventy three . Fathers and husbands . Have benefited from two wage earner households. Preferment of action. Mississippi State troopers were also required . Or also adjusted under. Affirmative action laws. It's really a myth to assume that affirmative action . Has only helped African-Americans. It is ushered in a broad based body of. Equal Employment Opportunity laws. For example. There was a time in Mississippi where in order to be a state trooper . You had to be six feet tall. Now. As a result of. Equal Employment Opportunity . Laws as a result of affirmative action . You can be a five foot eight white male apply for that job you can be five foot four five feet two. You don't have to be six feet tall. To be a state trooper . In Mississippi . Any longer. That law didn't just help African-Americans . It made it possible for short white males in Mississippi to become state troopers. Now with the elimination of such irrelevant job qualifications. Even. Even African-Americans and women . Can also serve as state troopers in Mississippi. Diversity in professional schools . Has been good for America. With the inclusion of women in medicine and . Strides have been made in breast cancer research and other areas of women's health. Recruitment and training of women police officers. Of judges and prosecutors have led to . Treatment of domestic violence. For the crime that it is the enrollment of people of color in higher education. Has increased from practically zero percent to twenty percent over the last twenty years . But we still have a long way to go public services have benefited from the increase of African-Americans. Of Latinos and Asians and Native American personnel who more genuinely reflect the diversity . And the needs of the communities that they serve a diversified corporate America has become more competitive. In this increasingly globalized economy . They've opened up new markets in the African-American community . In the Latino community . By advertising with not only African-Americans. But also with female . Advertisers. Upgrading the educational and employment skills. Of a majority of the nation. Has been good for the country. To turn back the clock on. Equal opportunity for the sake of political gain. Is not only immoral as public policy. But is also misguided . It is counterproductive . And it does not bode well for the future of our nation . And to that end today we began. Discussions in the House Small Business Committee . In that particular committee we are talking about the eight program. Which was a program that has really been searched used to serve as an incubator for businesses particularly businesses . That affect minorities. But not limited to minorities. If white women . Can demonstrate that they qualify as a disadvantage . As a disadvantage business. They can apply through the aid program . White males can also apply. Through the aid program . But there's been a history of federal contracts that have historically denied . African-Americans women . And those who have been historically disadvantaged . The opportunity to participate. There's a movement afoot in this body. To eliminate the a program. And I'm asking Democrats and Republicans on both sides of the aisle particularly in this church burning climate. To thwart that movement we need not engage. During this electoral season . In a race based politics . And that's what challenging. The a program. Really is one of the myths about the a program. Is that it's no longer necessary . Programs like A.J.. Have not outlived their usefulness . Because discriminant. Discriminatory treatment. Of certain groups of Americans . Is really not a thing of the past the burning of churches . With predominately African-American congregations. Is just one tragic example of this discrimination that persists. I've only been a member of this institution for for ten months. And usually I don't where this little pin right here which. You know I don't particularly care that much for but it's a little identification to let everyone around Capitol Hill know that you're a congressman. But not long ago I was speaking to a group of African-American interns here in the U.S. Congress . And I told them I said you know. When you walk down the halls of the U.S. Congress. Without this pin on. No one ever mistakes you for being a member of Congress. But every time I see. An elderly white gentleman with a briefcase or with gray hair . In this institution. I have to assume first that they're a member of Congress. And then secondly I assume that. Maybe they're a lobbyist. Or maybe than the head of some corporation coming to meet with some significant. Member of Congress. In this institution . But never as a young African-American in this institution . And I ever mistaken for being a congressman . Except for by my colleagues who who know me. Towards that end I got up one morning a few months ago . And the seven thirty in the morning I came to work. And the people of the second congressional district that day and. Stayed here until eleven o'clock that night. And after I got off work the same time most members of Congress . Got off work. I decided to go to my office and. Check a check for my schedule tomorrow to find out what time . I had to come back to the institution . And once I got ready to go my assistant asked me if I shoot if I could if she could give me a ride home. And I said no that's quite alright I'll just go outside and catch a taxi . Well I went outside to catch a taxi and. The first taxi passed me by a living thirty. I waited for a couple of minutes another taxi. Passed me by. And so you know I could have just gone and asked someone from the Capitol Police . To give me a ride home but I just decided to wait. As a young member of Congress to find out how many taxis were going to pass me by in the District of Columbia . And that night. More than seventeen taxis passed. Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr by. They didn't see a member of Congress first. They saw young African American first . So why is it that the A program is so necessary . Because there are federal agencies out there that . Engage in almost any kind of business from selling widgets. To selling bolts to selling airplanes. To selling F. twenty two. We sell everything to the Defense Department . The Defense Department must buy everything. There are hundreds of federal agencies that. Make purchasing decisions in our nation. The only issue really before us when we consider eliminating a program like the aid a program. Is whether or not that. Those federal agencies are going to drive right past qualified Latinos qualified women . Qualified African-Americans or whether or not we're going to slow the government down long enough to help people who've been historically . Locked out. Discrimination is not gone. If it is gone it's only underground. Discrimination is insidious. Because it affects the individuals with whom one associates. The business is one patronize . Section . Who gets a job and when they get a job. I was talking to another group of businessmen. Not long ago . And they were very proud to to hear from a young African-American member of Congress . And so we began talking about affirmative action some of them . Began questioning whether or not affirmative action was necessary . And so I asked them I said I mean if you do business with the federal government a significant number of them raise their hand. I asked them how many of them did business with local been in support government a significant number of them. Raise their hands. But then turn around and ask them. How many of you have an African-American . That's a lawyer with your firm. Or with your business. As General Counsel. Very few hands went up. How many of you have women that head up your accounting department or your finance department or humming if you put money in banks that are owned or operated by women or by African-Americans . Or by Latinos . How many of us. Spread the wealth. Out from the benefits that we've received from these local minutes of palaces. And the federal government. And very few hands went up. So what are we suggesting . We're suggesting that these businesses and that these individuals . Continue to drive by. At eleven thirty at night. No matter who serves their country . They just drive right by in search of their friend who went to school with them. In search of someone who went to Harvard . Or someone who went to Yale . Or someone who went to North Carolina A and T. State . University How do we break up the good ole boy network . And one way to do it is to have programs . On the books like The aid a program that make it possible for minorities. To participate. It doesn't mean that they don't compete. Of course they compete. Within the eighty program . But every. Lot of these businesses that have been in this . Incubator for nine years . And then subsequently leave. The eight program. They end up facing the same kind of discrimination . That the eight program. Sheltered them from. And therefore beyond the eighty program. Many of. These businesses. Quite frankly cannot survive. It's a myth. In one thousand nine hundred four Federal Acquisition streamlining AG Fausta . Addresses all concerns of those seeking to assist. The socially and the economically disadvantaged . Fossil will expire in two thousand. And it has not been implemented because all affirmative action programs. Have been attacked since the one nine hundred ninety five. At around construction versus Pena. Supreme Court decision. Fact . While fossil regulations. Have not even been promulgated to avoid Adarand roadblocks AIG has survived strict. Administration reviews. Because of its focus on business development . Another myth. Many businesses see a. As an in itself. S.B.A.. Rarely or never graduates businesses . Out of the eight a program. Fact. Businesses participate in a program for maximum of nine years and with and must withstand an annual reassessment of their eligibility . Every year. This is a four year developmental stage . And then there's a five year transitional stage . For these businesses that are being groomed. To do business with the federal government . In one thousand nine hundred seven Elford Ortez For example when into business for himself and found its source. Diversified incorporated in the GOING TO Hills California. His custom. His company customizes. Computer hardware Now source diversified. Has twenty one million dollars in sales and employs fifteen workers . Alford is just one successful graduate of the eighty program. Who attributes. Of the strong and rapid growth of his business . To the program . Myth. If you teach a man to fish. He can feed himself. For a lifetime. Whenever they like this one. Here's the facts . Eight participants do not have any fish handed to them. These minority owned businesses compete with each other for those particular myths. Which have been set aside . Eighty . It teaches businesses. To fish. This isn't about a hand-out. This is about a helping hand. It teaches. Businesses to fish. With minority owned businesses start. Start out looking for contracts. In the private sector. Their proven ability to win a government aid a contract. Is actually their diploma or their doctorate in fishing. And then that way they can come back and approach. The federal government. Or they can approach the private sector. After having developed a proven track record. Under the shelter . Of the government's protection . Because racism. Discrimination. And sexism. Exist outside of that shelter. Which doesn't allow those businesses. The opportunity to foster to grow and to develop . The myth that the any program does not foster. The free enterprise system. Nothing could be further from the truth. Here's the facts. The free enterprise system flourishes when there is full participation. And without the aid a program. There would not be as much participation. For minority owned businesses. Supporting the development of minority owned businesses. To the eight a program . Puts market forces and the free enterprise system. To work for all Americans. Because those minority owned businesses . Eventually buy supplies and services. From other businesses . Moreover last year eight participating firms. Paid more than one hundred million dollars in federal taxes . Miss the eighty program. Does not encourage opportunity for everyone to compete. Nothing could be further from the truth here the facts . A day is precisely the ray of hope. Which encourages all Americans regardless of ethnicity gender or economic condition. Those opponents of a day who accuse it of excluding certain Americans from procurement opportunities are guilty of scapegoating . The answer is not to turn one group of Americans against the other rather than dismantle a day . We need to improve an argument educational and training opportunities for all Americans so that no one in this country can complain about being overlooked. A day exist to provide opportunities for everyone to compete. Opportunities . May not have had or would not have been without without have taken place . Without this program . Here's three quick myths eighty Ways money through reliance on sole source contracting . That's not true . A day is riddled with fraud and abuse. Even after three congressional attempts to reform it. That's not true . A day has failed in helping fledgling minority businesses. And its prime or. Primarily our rich get richer program. For beltway bandits. That's not altogether true. Here are the facts. Total a day contracts in one thousand nine hundred four. Represent only three point two percent of all federal contracts. We're talking about. Only three point two percent of all federal contracts. And in this institution . We have a budget of one point seven trillion dollars every year. And we're talking about three point two percent of federal contract . That doesn't even include . But that doesn't include the entire one point seven children. It's even smaller than that. Three point two percent of federal contracts. Just three point two percent of the total a program receive less than half of the actual contract dollars that were awarded to either of the top two defense contractors. The total. Program. Received less than half . Reforms to further bring a day into compliance with the strict Adarand standards are included in proposed . Regulatory changes that have been published in the Federal Register . That apartment of Justice believes that these changes will one allow. Agencies to use race conscious tools to assist . Disadvantaged businesses. Enable agencies. To assess what level of minority particular meant. Would be probable in the absence of discrimination. Require agencies to implement measures. That do not rely on race to broaden opportunities for small minority firms. Titans. Surf. Certification and eligibility requirements . Mr Speaker I hope today that. With our brief. Colloquy between the gentleman from Louisiana and myself. On the issue of. Affirmative Action Aid programs . And the need to off set . Years of historical discrimination against African-Americans minorities women and people of color in this country. Will not go unheeded and unheard by the membership in this august and. Esteem body. The challenges before us are great as a nation . And I am more convinced than ever . If we can move beyond . Racial battleground. To economic common ground. And on as my father would say . To moral higher ground. We can make sense and make sense. For all of America. Many Americans still long for the day when they can say . My country tis of thee. Sweet Land of Liberty . That day has not yet arrived . And many African-Americans and disadvantaged. Businesses in our nation . Need a helping hand not a handout. A helping hand. And it would serve this institution well. It would serve all of us as Democrats and Republicans. If we could move beyond the politics of divisiveness and expand programs that make sense for the most people. Mr Speaker with that . I yield back the balance of my time . And thank you for the opportunity to speak this evening gentleman from Illinois yields back the balance of his time . Under the speaker's announced policy of May twelfth one thousand nine hundred ninety five The chair recognizes the gentleman from New Jersey. Mr Saxton.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    For sixty minutes . Mr Speaker . May I first ask unanimous consent that…

    For sixty minutes . Mr Speaker . May I first ask unanimous consent that all members. Have five legislative days in which to revise and extend their remarks on the special order today . By the gentleman from

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    MR. SAXTON

    . By the gentleman from Alabama Mr CALLAHAN without objection sword . The…

    . By the gentleman from Alabama Mr CALLAHAN without objection sword . The speaker . I have had the pleasure for the last two years of.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    had the pleasure for the last two years of. Of serving as the vice…

    had the pleasure for the last two years of. Of serving as the vice chairman of the Joint Economic Committee .

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    MR. SAXTON

    . And I found it. To be quite an interesting a task because you see I'm…

    . And I found it. To be quite an interesting a task because you see I'm not an economist. And fact. I don't think any of the members of the Joint Economic Committee are true economists although some are so studied history and some courses in economics but none of us are truly economists . Our job is however to. To under trying to understand as best we can. As members of the House who are former school teachers or . Real estate sales people or car sales people. Or doctors or housewives or lawyers or whatever we may be . We need to understand the process of our country our nation's economy . So that when we enact laws here . We will know hopefully before we enact those laws . What effect. Those laws have on the performance of our country's economy . And of course in order to do that we do talk with the economists and we do read things that they have written and we try to explain to ourselves on the understand ourselves and explain to our colleagues . What it is that we have done or about to. In the future. That will help our economy grow. Help to to provide jobs help to provide a larger set of opportunities for people who are involved in the economic sector as we all are as we make our daily living. And we have that we can be successful in doing that and that we can be successful in imparting. What we think we've learned. To our college . Then we're successful as members of the Joint Economic Committee in carrying out our function . I was I have gone about my the business of this task over the last couple of years I've also talked with lots of American people who are involved . Every day . In the economic system work . People looking for jobs . People looking to advance people looking to get. Wage increases and people just looking to go to work every day. So they can earn a wage to bring home to their families . And I've noticed in the last several years that marked upturn . In people who. They do this job here . Who have come to me and have said . Well this year i'm not make. I made last year. What's wrong . And people who have said well when I go to look for a job. Like my like my son or daughter from college. All they could find was a temp. Didn't want to pay benefits and . When other people go looking for a job or . Or go into the workplace . And I say well gee I haven't been able to advance as I thought I would . All of these kinds of things have made people. Nervous about the economy . Nervous about opportunities and for the first time . Public opinion polls show that it is the opinion of the younger generation. That they probably won't do as well as the older. As the former generation . This is unique in our country's history because Always before . The new generation. Aspired to do better than the older generation and thought they would more optimistic about it but today . That's not the case. And so the Joint Economic Committee set about trying to find out what it was that was causing this aura of pessimist I'm a pessimist I'm about our economy. And we had a lot of research and had a lot of books and listen to a lot of economists . And we began to see that there was in fact a trend. In that that is occurring . And that trend. Was not necessarily good news for Americans . Brought some charts with me today to try to. Try to demonstrate what it is that we have that we have found about our economy. This chart has two lines on it . Hope those of you who are further away can see that it has a solid line and it has a kind of a dotted line. The dotted line shows what economic growth has been in our country and how well the economy has done since World War two . And it's a rather steady increase . That increases actually about three and a half percent on average each year. In other words the economy grows . There are more jobs by by a substantial margin each year since World War two than there were the year before . And as the economy grew. Wages went up and people. Prospered and. And everybody was happy the black line . Shows what actually happened in the economy at any given point. Along that. Along that trend. And you can see that at some point the black line in terms of what was really happening. Was above. Above the dotted line and at other point when there was a recession it fell back to or below. The dotted line but by and large until this point . The lines tracked along pretty well together . Where the dark line. Begins to fall below . The dotted line . That happens to be in one nine hundred ninety three . And the Congressional Budget Office. Here . Which does all kinds of economic projections and. Forecasts and estimates about money and what's going to happen . And economic growth . Has forecasted here . That the outlook for the future is different than it has been since World War two. The outlook in terms of economic growth. Actually falls off . In the next decade or so. According to the Congressional Budget Office . They say we won't grow at the traditional three point five percent. Any longer. It'll be closer to two point two percent. And that gap widens. As we go out into the. Years beyond the year two thousand and and when once we get to about two thousand and five or two thousand and seven. Our economy will actually be performing at fifteen percent less . On total total total performance than it is today . And so this is evidence that we see for the first time of what making. What's making American workers nervous. Haven't been able to do so good on the job. I see direct evidence of it says the worker . My wages haven't gone up this year in fact they've gone down. Have been able to find that new job that lets me advance . My kids graduated from college and can only find a temporary job. Companies are downsizing and rightsizing income merging and. Trying to find ways to do things. Because C.E.O.'s and managers of businesses big businesses as well as small businesses. Have discovered that the C.B. Oh and other economic project are people who do projections are saying that we probably. Given these situations that we find ourselves in in today's economy we're probably not going to grow . At the traditional three point five percent . We're probably going to grow at more like two point two percent. And so this is cause concern throughout our economy and . If we if we look at where this began to happen it began to happen . About nineteen ninety three. Well what does this mean to . What does this mean to to the American people if we look at different segments of the economy. We can see here. For example . How does this. What effect does this have on small businesses and I should say. At this point that . What happened in one nine hundred ninety three we think. Is that we had a big tax increase . We had a tax increase that . Took more out of the pockets of the folks who have money to spend in the private sector . Who go to the grocery store . Who buy appliances . Who buy clothes for their kids when they go to school. Took money out of their pocket and said . And it was the Clinton tax increase of course . And said send that money to Washington because we need to have more money to spend in Washington. We need to balance the federal budget . Is as it was said this was I think the called the Deficit Reduction Act which was . Which actually was the biggest tax increase in our country's history. And when we found out what happened . And all of you have heard about small business you know . It's been said in our country year after year after year after year for decade after decade that small business . Is the economic engine. That pulls the train. And when we begin to look at what the Clinton tax increase did. In the beginning in one nine hundred ninety three. We find out that it had a tremendous effect on small business. And this is one of the factors that we have identified as being bad for the economy. Bad for new jobs . Bad for economic growth. Bad for wages . Bad for opportunities . And young people have started to say . For the first time in our history . We can't. Aspire to do better than the last generation . Because things have gone awry. This is what happened to small business. The small the tax increase the income tax increase that occurred . Is paid by seventy point three percent of it. Is paid by small business . And so no wonder . Those small businesses that provide the incentive the. They're the engine that drives our economy. All of a sudden . Seventy percent of this new tax increase. That this house passed. And I'm proud to say I didn't vote for the seven is seventy percent of those revenues are paid by. Small business and so it has had a tremendous effect on the free enterprise system in our country. The young people who who who would like to get jobs at the corner grocery store those jobs are not there and if they are they are temporary . And all the folks that take part in that part of our economy . Are having a more difficult time but it also had some other effects . And had some effects on all Americans or on most Americans . If we can look at this next chart . It shows what happened . During this period of time . To wages . In our country . Wages in our country have not done particularly well since that large tax increase because. Mall business was directly affected by it. Median income has also suffered . In one thousand nine hundred two. The median weekly income in our country was four hundred ninety three dollars . And in one thousand nine hundred three the year . The federal government increased taxes with the Clinton tax increase . The in one thousand nine hundred three for the last time we saw a growth in median family income. Weeding week. Weekly income I should say . It grew from four hundred ninety three dollars in one thousand nine hundred two to four hundred ninety eight dollars . In one thousand nine hundred three. And then the rest of this chart is self-explanatory . Median weekly income. For American workers has gone down consistently ever sense more evidence that. Things are not going well for workers and another reason why today's young generation . Is not as optimistic about the future as they once were. And now we've said this . You know we've said this sense in fact I stood right here at this podium . In one thousand nine hundred three when that tax increase is being debated. And said that this tax increase would be bad for our economy and others of my colleagues did the same . But the tax increase went through anyway so what do we do about this. And of course this is one of the functions of members of Congress who are interested in making our economy grow . Not only do we need to identify the problems . We need to make some suggestions about how we can remedy . The problems . Because the shield the gentleman I think. I think of. One example and that's the taxes that we put on businesses that buy new equipment and machinery . To put better tools in the hands of the American workforce and so you know we call it neutral cost recovery but the fact is.

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    call it neutral cost recovery but the fact is. This federal government. In…

    call it neutral cost recovery but the fact is. This federal government. In an effort to get more taxes out of people. Says to a business if you buy machinery and equipment . We're going to penalize you on the way we tax you. Because we make that business spread out that depreciation . Over five fifteen twenty years . And that depreciation in inflation eats up the value of that deduction so. If we were to allow a business. To be ducked. The full amount of their purchase of machinery and equipment and state of the art tools to make. That's going to increase that average weekly income of those workers . If we were to loud business to the duck the full amount. It would reduce the cost of that equipment by sixteen percent. And I just use that as one example Jim. To show how tax penalties . Can discourage business efficiency and bridge business productivity and I deal back and I thank the gentleman for pointing that out and it is certainly one of the elements of . Of things that we ought to get done around here to get business going again .

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    MR. SAXTON

    Obviously there are other people in this town who have similar ideas . For…

    Obviously there are other people in this town who have similar ideas . For example. We all know that there is a presidential campaign underway. And one of the candidates happens to be Bob Dole. Has suggested something similar to go to what Mr Smith has suggested he's. He has suggested that . As we saw in one thousand nine hundred three when this. Tax increase was imposed by the Clinton administration and. And primarily by the Democrats in the house . That that we reversed that . That we begin to put in place something that we'd like to call growth policy. And so Bob Dole has suggested that we ought to cut income taxes . That we ought to cut the capital gains tax that we ought to have a family . A child tax credit and then others . Other tax changes such as the one Mr Smith. Just suggested. Might be part of the package as well though and that. In the case of the. Specific one that is not part of this particular package . But dollar has suggested . That significant tax . Tax decreases. Would help. To remedy the problem . That is I. In terms of the . Speed or the the rate of growth of our economy Bob Dole has suggested for example. That for that under his program. A family making thirty five thousand dollars a year. In gross income . Would save one thousand three hundred seventy four dollars a year in tax savings under his plan. And a family making forty five thousand dollars a year. Would actually save one thousand three dollars a year now of course. This pumps money back into the economy relieve the tax burden on families on small business . And helps to get the economic engine. Fired up and going again now. I'm going to say something that some of the members on this side of the aisle. May have forgotten . But I can remember so well in one thousand nine hundred four which happened to be the first time that I aspired to run and become a member of this body. I can remember it was the time when I was running for his second term . And I was so proud to be on the ticket with Ronald Reagan because he talked about . A growth policy. And I went through that campaign and I talked about . The Reagan tax cuts that went into place in eighty one and eighty two and eighty three and how the economy began to grow . And then I came here . And I began to study . Reagan's policies and I found out that there was somebody. Before Ronald Reagan. Who had the same kinds of ideas. And he wasn't. From our party. He was from the other party his name was John Kennedy. Surprisingly in one thousand nine hundred sixty three. John Kennedy said in his State of the Union address. From that podium. He said these words he said we can't for long expect to lead the cause of peace and freedom of. Around the world . If we fail to set the economic base and home. He recognized that the economy was slowing down. He recognized that there were problems he recognized that. Wages were increasing the way they should be . And John Kennedy. The member of the other party the Democrat president. Went on in that speech to outline a series of tax cuts much like Bob Dole's. Not exactly but much like them. And unfortunately . He his death occurred but after his death. L.B.J. and the Democrat controlled Congress . Put in place those tax cuts and guess what they kind of grew . They kind of a group. We took off again we got. We had good good good growth in jobs we had wages . And it was a wonderful experience to have watched that and so when I ran in one nine hundred four I was so proud of Ronald Reagan. One of the first conclusions that I made when I came here and got my feet on the ground and began to understand a little bit about this growth policies I kind of laugh to myself now . I think Ronald Reagan. Read John Kennedy's speech. So this is doesn't have to be a partisan issue this doesn't have to be part of a presidential campaign. It just happens to be the truth. It happens to be . What works and so. Was suggested here . Really can work in the experience that we had in the eighty's. Proves that it works to we do everything right in the eighty's we didn't do everything right now but we did some things right in the eighty's and. Tax policy. Was part of what we did. Right . Let's talk about what we did right just meant we can just get this . Next chart appear this shows . What happened in one thousand nine hundred one nine hundred eighty two in one thousand nine hundred three this is where Ronald Reagan got elected. Our economy was flat . Much the same condition . Only maybe a little bit worse than it is now. We're experiencing about two point two percent growth. I forgotten exactly what the growth was. but We had a recession. Which means we had negative growth. And Ronald Reagan said I know how to fix this we're going to reduce taxes. We're going to put in place growth policy . Like Bob Dole's talking about. In today's campaign and in one thousand nine hundred eighty two when the second installment of that tax cut went into place. The economy started to grow. And it grew. Astonishingly. Throughout the decade. Of the eighty's and. Not only did. John Kennedy. Understand what it is that Bob Dole. Has suggested. And why it works. We see in the one nine hundred eighty S. that. Ronald Reagan did much. Did much the same thing in terms of tax policy that's not me just show. Let me just look at let me just show what happened to wages. During that period of time. We talked about what's happening with wages today they're going down. And then during the Carter years remember the years of Malazan and. Inflation and high interest rates and a lousy economy . That wages were going down during those Carter years too but as soon as Reagan's policies went into effect. Wages started to go up again it was better for families. People were optimistic again. We believed in ourselves . And it was in large part because of the. Because of the economic policies that . Both Kennedy and Reagan . Have different times in our history. Scripts ascribed to and and. Have helped to bring about changes in our country. I mentioned a minute ago that we didn't do everything right near eighty's . And we didn't we all know that . Because we continued. Collectively and I think there's enough blame to go around for this we continued . The spending spree. During the eighty's . And in spite of the fact that the economy grew . And in spite of the fact that we had economic growth. We didn't balance the budget. But it's not because of the tax cuts that we didn't balance the budget let me show you something . Well people be very surprised to see this. To see this. This is another chart with two lines on has a red line on the top and a blue line on the bottom. The blue line shows what happened with our federal revenue. When they commonly grew more people went back to work. They made higher wages. So they paid more in taxes. And that meant Washington had more money available. To spend . And as the economy grew through the eighty's. This blue line shows that revenues went up in fact and years to spend in one thousand nine hundred by one nine hundred ninety . By nine hundred ninety we had one point zero three trillion . In other words we had increased by five hundred fourteen billion dollars The A money that we had to spend. And you say that again served by understand. We had tax cuts. That's right. Tax rate decreases . And when the economy began to grow because of it . Our revenues that we had available to us. Doubled between one nine hundred eighty and one nine hundred ninety. Pretty astonishing. What we do wrong with the red line that's what signifies what we did wrong. We can't write on spending . With a gentleman you will be happy to you. I had to get up and type in here if I couldn't appreciate a gentleman yielding. Because many people have asked me about these years in the eighty's I'm a freshman member of this body. And I have participated in the first Congress and twenty six years. That

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    MR. WAMP

    in the first Congress and twenty six years. That actually voted to cut…

    in the first Congress and twenty six years. That actually voted to cut spending. Not a single Congress for twenty six straight years actually voted to cut spending. And people ask me. You know how did this happen in the eighty's. If. Reagan's tax policies. Actually worked. And you're right here right now showing us exactly how that happened. Frankly I believe that if this Congress the one we have now that has cut spending for the first time in twenty six years. Would have been the Congress under Ronald Reagan . The growth here. Coupled with the spending cuts . Would have achieved . A balanced budget . Because the two coming together is what you do you can't have spending rising above the income . Income was going up clearly. Spending was going up even higher. And a lot of members frankly were get reelected by giving away the ranch so to speak. And continuing to do that and we've just now accepted our fate. As a nation and come to these tough votes. To reduce spending for the first time now. The country does have a choice. This fall. We can't have President Reagan and this Congress . But we can have the next best thing. And that's somebody who believes in Reagan's growth policies . Tax policies. And this Congress . And what you will see I believe firmly in ma soul. Is growth. And spending reductions . And the most responsible coming together of those two. Forces in our budget process. And achieve a balanced budget and help. All families. Create More well . And keep more of their take home pay . As we make progress towards a balanced budget . Well gentlemen. The gentleman is exactly right . And as as we as . As your class seven the. Freshman who came here seventy one freshman who came here . On the Republican side have clearly demonstrated that . That that we

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    MR. SAXTON

    clearly demonstrated that . That that we can reduce the rate of growth in…

    clearly demonstrated that . That that we can reduce the rate of growth in spending . And that we can move these two lines closely at President Clinton. Incidentally . Mr want President Clinton has talked a lot during his campaign appearances about reducing the deficit . And you know it's kind of funny to say but it seems to me that. It was the Congress that actually put in place . The provisions in the budget process and in the appropriations bills. Last year and now of course we're following suit again this year . With the seventy one freshman. With people like John Casey who have led us in the in the budget debate like our majority leader Dick Armey who believe so much in what we're talking about here on the floor tonight. And it's kind of interesting that the President Clinton has found it possible . Seemingly possible to take credit for this. What with the gentleman from New Jersey. Yield to you just just to expand a little bit on why . Balancing the budget . Is important with this whole tax reduction . To motivate . Motivate economic and job expansion. If

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    MR. SMITH

    we can if we can balance the budget at the same time. That means that the…

    we can if we can balance the budget at the same time. That means that the demand for borrowing money from the federal government will reduce the pressure on interest rates. Right last year . The federal government borrowed forty one percent of all of the money lent out in the United States. Now just think back to your economics one hundred one. If you lower that demand with government borrowing forty one percent of the money. If you can. If you can balance the budget . And have government borrow less money. It's going to meet. Interest rates go go down in our Budget Committee Alan Greenspan the. Ehrman of the Federal Reserve. Came to our budget committee and said look if Congress balances the budget . We could see interest rates go down . Up to between one and a half and two percent. And that means . That means that if interest rates go down . Every business in this country. Finds that whatever they they are going to buy in terms of tools in terms of expansion . They see a significant reduction in their cost so interest rate going down. Means a tremendous stimulant to the economy and so a combination . Like Zach Wamp says a combination of stimulating economic and job expansion at the same time that we start pinching those pennies here at the national level. And make sure we balance that budget. Is going to see the greatest economic job expansion this country has ever seen. And the interest and the interesting thing about . About what you say is that by by reducing the tax burden on American families . By making it possible again . To achieve this

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    MR. SAXTON

    . To achieve this three point five percent growth that we have that we…

    . To achieve this three point five percent growth that we have that we have seen since World War two on average . And by balancing the budget . By continuing the policies that we started during the last year in terms of reducing expenditures . By putting together a program like that. It makes it better for all families in America. It makes it better for people who are workers it makes it better for people who are entrepreneurs. It makes it better for people who are in all kinds of businesses across our country. It makes our best and makes it better for the labor unions and the . And the working folks because they can expect once again . To see wages. On the increase in our standard of living go up. And so it is of extreme importance that we as members of Congress and. And the American people generally come to grips with what it is that we have been attempting to do here for the last two years . And what it is that Bob Dole. Suggested that we do which is very similar to what John Kennedy and Ronald Reagan each in their time . Suggested I'd like to yield at this point. Two gentlemen from Tennessee. Well I think. I thank the gentleman for yielding I want to give you given a great historical perspective of how we got in this dilemma . And what forces are necessary to pull us out of this dilemma with our debt . And this

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    MR. WAMP

    with our debt . And this issue of taxes I think it's very important . We…

    with our debt . And this issue of taxes I think it's very important . We need tax reform . We need tax relief and tax reform I think at the same time. You know I grew up as a member of the Democratic Party. And Ronald Reagan and his tenure . Is what brought me to the Republican party owns some simple principles. Of exactly how large the federal government. Was going to be in our lives exactly how intrusive and how much of our resources. I remember he said at one time I don't think it was an original quote but he said A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have. And I just wonder how far we're going to go down this road towards big government. And more and more of our. Our resources and our rights taken from the big central government. Our founding fathers I'm sure are rolling over in their grave . But it's this principle I'm not a partisan person really becoming less and less partisan The longer. I'm involved in public policy. I think though that there are some stark differences between the Democratic agenda . In one thousand nine hundred six in the Republican agenda one of them is very simple. Issue of whether or not we're going to stand on the side of the American taxpayers. That they're already overtaxed and I'm. Let me just give you a historical perspective we all know that the average family now. The mother and the father are both having to work. Well that is happening because one of them is working for the government. And the other one is working for the family. And we know. No that's not right and . Just in my lifetime this has happened G.M. This has been going on for a long time in one nine hundred fifty seven when I was born. My father paid less than ten percent of every dollar that he made. To the government. Combined state federal and local governments combined was ten cents of the dollar about what you're supposed to tab in church. You know the federal tax rate was between three and four percent. The whole thing was less than ten percent today . One generation later. That figure is roughly half of every dollar an American makes goes to the government now my son is nine years old when he is my age just going through one more generation . That figure is going to be about eighty four eighty five percent of every dollar he makes now let me tell you. We cannot sustain our freedom. Going in this direction . I've been to fundraisers I've heard . Wealthier people say we don't need tax relief. It's OK. Just hold the line. Well those wealthy people may not need tax relief. It's the people at the in the middle and at the bottom who need tax relief the most . And they're the ones that are having a hard time keeping their head above water. I constantly think of single moms who are working to get their kids ready for school . During the morning . And they're going to work. And they have no hope of ever getting ahead and they are barely keeping their head above water day in day out. I think of parents both working. And they just have little hope anymore in our society no one that . As the government grows are going to have to even take an extra job and many two parent families are working multiple jobs . Because the government's taken a larger and larger chunk of our resources so this issue. Fundamental issue. As we make measurable progress towards a balanced budget . And our president continues to say. And this is one thing we agree on. We've got the lowest budget deficit in fifteen years because this Congress cut spending for the first time in twenty six years. And because the economy. Albeit two percent growth versus three percent growth. Has grown somewhat . We have this low budget deficit . Is it reasonable and logical to give the American people some of their money back . As we make real and measurable progress towards a balanced budget. Give them some tax relief and tax reform. Simplify the system at the same time give them some of their money back . Yes. It's reasonable and logical why . Because we're at fifty percent. And we're Kleiman. Of every dollar we make our Founding Fathers warned us that the big central government could get bigger than the people that are supposed to control it . We've already passed that in America. We need to go back slightly . Ever so slightly and give them some tax relief now . I'm not going to endorse any pliant . I'm not going to do is President Clinton's plan on not going to unilaterally an endorser Mr Bowles plan I'm going to endorse the notion of giving the American people. Some of their hard earned money back and try to give it to everybody . The can't commission made some excellent recommendations. About how to create growth an opportunity by using our tax code. We ought to go to that camp Commission recommendation . We talked about what. Hourly workers make in this country just a few months ago in this. In this body. But we talked about what two percent of the workers make and that's minimum wage. We didn't talk about what the other ninety eight percent of workers make. The other ninety eight percent of workers. Should have a pay increase . Now . And we should do that by making it Social Security tax that FICA taxes deducted from their paycheck. Fully deductible so we're not taxing the tax. And putting money back in the pocket of. Every working American . That is a recommendation of the camp Commission which work for months to establish pro growth policies. And there's tax relief that can return more money to the federal government. A capital gains tax. Is a tax on inflation it's an unfair tax to begin with . And if you reduce the rate it's a pro growth policy. When we reduce the capital gains tax rate. In this country. Previously the history shows the revenues for capital gains. Increased. Each and every year to the federal government. You return more revenues there are people out here pinup with assets. Many of them poor . To middle income . Not rich not wealthy regular folk that are waiting to sell some stock that they may have inherited because the appreciation the inflation is set in made that asset were so much. Why should we as a nation tax inflation inflation on other things with the federal government we actually index and compensate people for inflation. But with an investment. We actually tax the investment. Well no wonder we don't have enough savings and investment in this country like they do in other industrialized countries Japan and Germany. They know not to overtax investment in savings. We need a pro growth policy we need some tax relief. To be done in a reasonable way . This Congress. Early next year is going to address this issue I am quite confident . And there is a big difference between the two parties on this issue of how much of your money. You get to keep . Every time you get paid. We want you to keep more your money. And we're willing to make those tough votes to shrink the government. So you can keep more of your money. It is a defining issue. Mr Saxton. And I hope that the people in this country will wake up to these issues. And realize there's a big difference. And our future is at stake because I want my son to keep more than fifteen cents of every dollar he makes. When he gets my vote and I thank the gentleman for yielding if the gentleman would yield back just for a minute and . I would just like to emphasize one of the things that . One of the things that you very correctly and articulately pointed out . And I guess I would do it this way during the last three or four years . We

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    MR. SAXTON

    during the last three or four years . We have gotten ourselves into a…

    during the last three or four years . We have gotten ourselves into a situation where wages . Have shrunk and taxes have increased . And so when you have shrinking wages and increased taxes. You get people in a pinch. You get people in a crunch . And of course that's happened during the Clinton administration and and. There have been some around here have groove call that Bill Clinton's crunch. In other words that he's got we've got these lowering wages . Increasing taxes which means for every family in America . Less disposable income. Tougher to get along. Tougher to get the kids clothes on. In September when they go back to school tougher to go to the. Acme market or the supersaver market or whatever market you go to every week and . This this issue of less disposable income is one of the primary reasons why. The generation that you just spoke about your kids are looking at their adult life. And saying wow . Did my parents have more opportunity than I did for the first time in the history of our country. Well the gentleman yield . You know it's so it's so . Disconcerting that government to that is so hell bent on having more control over people's lives are our disrupting and making those lives worse.

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    MR. SMITH

    are our disrupting and making those lives worse. By having a bigger…

    are our disrupting and making those lives worse. By having a bigger government . And by having more and more taxes. Because it hurts those jobs I. You know I I'm an economist by education by always thought the. The School of Economics might be better in social studies because it's human reaction economics is human reaction. If we want more and better jobs in this. country We've got to decide what products. The people in this country and other countries want to buy. And we've got to make a quality product at a competitive price. And when we tax. Investment and saving more than any of these other countries because in government's. Eagerness to be bigger and do more things for more people. We've increased the tax . You know we hear a lot of discussion. How are we going to pay for the dole tax cut it's one hundred five hundred forty billion dollars. It's interesting to note that this. Liberal Congress . In the last five years not in the last one and a half years of republican control . But in the last five years has increased taxes five hundred forty billion dollars. And soul. That tax increase . Is now being offset with the suggestion let's reduce taxes by five hundred forty billion dollars. The liberal press says well how are you going to pay for it. I like the Speaker's. Reaching in the pocket and bringing out six pennies. Because we've got to pinch pennies if we are going to pay for the tax cut. But the fact is that if we can cut down the waste in the fraud. In the abuse of federal government. By just six cents out of a dollar. We're going to pay for that tax cut . I mean . Mr Speaker if I could. Ask the American people right now. How much fraud and abuse and waste you think it is in government . You know we could have a bidding process we could say. I bet most of the people of America thinks we could cut out ten percent or even fifteen percent. But what we're talking about . Is pinching pennies on the federal government just like every other family has to do. And cutting down this budget by six percent. And loot reducing those taxes by fifteen percent . Leaving more money. In every citizen's pocket. And that's what we're interested in take home pay. We've got to have more and better jobs but that same time. If we can reduce those taxes by fifteen percent. What we're talking about. Is for a family. For a man a husband and wife and two kids making thirty thousand dollars. They will have one thousand two hundred sixty four dollars more in their pocket . If we have this tax cut. And that's just what government. And a liberal Congress has taken out of their pockets. In the last five years so let's offset it . Let's move ahead . It's ridiculous having bigger and bigger government that on not only taxes more . But takes over more of your freedom and more of your liberty. And I will deal back to the great gentlemen I thank you I thank the gentleman for for pointing that out. And certainly. Savings and finding ways to pinch pennies as . You have correctly pointed out . Is

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    MR. SAXTON

    . Is certainly crucial to us getting the job done that we need to get done…

    . Is certainly crucial to us getting the job done that we need to get done because we can get more revenue through economic growth policies . But if we do. Wrong again . That which we did wrong . In the eighty's . It will all be for naught because this has got to be a two pronged program . We can do right what we did in the eighty's but we also have got to pinch pennies I. I saw the speaker of the house . Mr Gingrich . Give a speech on television. The other day and he was talking about this very subject . He didn't have six pennies. But he had an ice bucket . And I thought what in the world is the speaker going to. Do with this ice bucket . And he held it in his hand. And he pointed out that . When we took control of this house two years ago or a year and a half ago. The Republican Party decided to do things differently around here . And prior to the time . We took over . Every office. Every member of Congress . Had two buckets of ice delivered to his or her office every day. And I just kind of took it for granted in ten years or so that I had been here that I showed up . I don't know whether anybody used it or not. I didn't but when we took over. We decided that it was something we didn't need to do . And let me tell you we saved to according the speaker . And when I heard him say the other day. We saved. Four hundred thousand dollars . By pinching ice buckets I guess and not. And not doing the foolish things that happened back in the days before we had refrigeration. Back in the days when we maybe needed to put lunch. On Ice literally. Today every office has a refrigerator in it and the Congress . Was continuing to spend four hundred thousand dollars every year . On Ice. It's interesting because it's very personal when I came to Congress and . One nine hundred ninety three. That's the first thing I told my. My staff look stop the delivery of ice . And they

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    MR. SMITH

    delivery of ice . And they after five days I said the ice is still coming…

    delivery of ice . And they after five days I said the ice is still coming and they said well we can't stop it they said it's in the labor contract and and they're required to try to look for two buckets of ice. Every congressional office so I . I wrote a letter to the speaker the Democrat speaker at that time . And asked that suggested that this was pretty ridiculous that we had a small refrigerator . We had all the ice we needed if we wanted cold pop we had cold pop. But you know that's. There's so many examples like that the post office. The post office is another half a million dollars. Instead of the government running its own post office and feeding out the stamps and allowing the kind of corruption that existed. In the past when this Congress . When this new Republican Congress came in we said the U.S. Postal Service is running is responsible for running the post office. That saved another half a billion dollars This gem is so . It's so amazing I wished everybody could know. Some of the things that have happened. You know when we took office . Away. In our term in Congress we cut out two hundred seventy . Different agencies and programs. On the first day of session when we came into session. In one nine hundred ninety five in January fifth for something. What we did is did away with twenty three subcommittees four full committees. We cut legislative staff. By almost thirty two percent . In an effort to do exactly what we're talking about pinch pennies . And that's what we're going to continue to do. And you know I for one and I suspect you for another and many of us. In the Republican caucus in the Republican members of Congress. Are not going to vote for a tax increase. Unless it's paid for with spending cuts because we're very determined that we're going to have a balanced budget. I just I just like to reclaim my time here for just a minute I'll be happy to continue the discourse . The dialogue with the gentleman . One of the things that we've done on the joint economic committee and I'm sure that as the gentleman knows . We've done

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    MR. SAXTON

    that as the gentleman knows . We've done a number of studies to try to…

    that as the gentleman knows . We've done a number of studies to try to identify where we ought to be and how we ought to get there and one of the things that surprised me I had no idea that this would happen. Probably should have known. When I was elected to Congress . The federal government was consuming . Something like nineteen percent of the gross domestic product. And since I've been here and I'm not proud of this . Since I've been here. Usually voting against these policies but since I've been here in the twelve years . We have grown . So that our government today. Consumes twenty three percent of the gross domestic product in other words. Or the short period of time relatively short period of time. We have gone from consuming eighteen percent of G.D.P.. To twenty three percent of G.D.P. That's dangerous we talk about big government a lot around here and about how to make it smaller. And if there is anything that I think points to the necessity of . Remaining serious about the things that we started here in the last two years. It is that statistic . Because as. As government grows bigger and more expensive obviously it takes more money away and more freedoms away from the people that elect us to come here to safeguard those very freedoms and to run . Our government as economically as we can. And so when I saw that study which which showed that kind of growth in government. It frightened me to death and I hope that when people hear about it it will. Sober some of our friends on the other side of the know and I think I think it's important that we point out that under the Republican besar budget resolution that we passed by the end of this six year . Effort to balance the budget will be back down to eight percent of G.D.P.

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    MR. SMITH

    down to eight percent of G.D.P. eighteen percent of G.D.P. so. So the…

    down to eight percent of G.D.P. eighteen percent of G.D.P. so. So the effort is there it takes a lot of conviction. It's not easy for politicians to make those cuts . We've seen so much . Demagoguing. As Republicans have tried to pinch pennies . That the demagoguery. To criticize Republicans. For cutting any of this spending. Has resulted in an attitude of Munk many Americans that. Well gosh maybe America maybe those Republicans are too cruel. And maybe they're putting burdens and pinching pennies for tax breaks for the rich. And Jim I see you've got a chart down there and I think this tax break for the rich. Idea is is so . Ridiculous as we try to give. Middle class tax breaks and that's exactly what the dole plan does that's exactly what the Republican plan does but. I believe this is a recollection of what happened in the eighty's under Ronald Reagan. And this shows clearly what happened in terms of various income groups. Under the Reagan tax policies beginning in one thousand nine hundred eighty one and going through the year . Nine hundred eighty

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    . Nine hundred eighty eight. The claim by some on the other side of the…

    . Nine hundred eighty eight. The claim by some on the other side of the aisle . Always is that while Reagan was great for the rich people because they their taxes were cut . And. And they all profited. You know the rich people and Reagan took care of them nothing could be further from the truth . And these statistics prove that there are three colored there are three lines here which represent . Taxes paid by various. Income groups . Here in one thousand nine hundred one this green line. Shows that people who were in the top one percent of the. Wage income earners in this country. Paid seventeen point six of the total. Of the total tax burden . People who were between the fifty first and the and the ninety fifth percentile . Paid fifty seven percent . And the bottom fifty percent of the tax payers in. In the United States in one thousand nine hundred one point paid seven point five percent. If we use jump all the way the other end of this chart of course each year goes crossed eighty two and eighty three all way over to one thousand nine hundred eight . We find that in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight a whole the people who were in the top one percent of the income. Class in our country. No longer paid seventeen point six percent of the total taxes. But took paid over twenty seven percent of the total taxes and increase. Of nearly ten percentage points . Conversely people who are in the. The bottom fifty percent . Who paid seven point five percent of the taxes and. In one thousand nine hundred one . By nine hundred eighty eight paid five for only five point seven percent and so they dropped almost two percentage points over the. Eight years . Of the Reagan administration and. This is a clear indication that once again . These growth policies that we talk about the dole suggestion that we ought to once again reduce tax rates. The dull suggestion that the corporate that the. That the capital gains tax is too high the dole suggestion that people ought to get a five hundred dollars tax credit for each child . In the family to reduce the burden of taxes on families . Is not only a nice thing to do for families not only makes them feel better not only gives them a little bit more money to spend each year it's a significant amount of money to spend each year . But more importantly or at least equally importantly. It makes the economy do we do better. It makes the economy grow as we have historically done since World War two It gets us out of that. Two point two percent rate of growth back on track toward three point five percent which is so important to job creation which is so important to increasing wages which is so important to opportunities for young people to progress. And move up. And so that's what the dog program is about . If we can continue as we have under his leadership in the Senate. To reduce spending. To continue as we have in this house . To reduce spending and still get this . A growth policy in place . We will certainly do so much better for families . Than we have than we have during the past three years since the huge Clinton. Tax increase. Went into place. I would just say Jen it's true that Americans work or our workers are currently. The most productive . In the world . But we can't continue that kind of a fish and sea in productivity .

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    MR. SMITH

    Because the other countries. Are increasing their rate of productivity .…

    Because the other countries. Are increasing their rate of productivity . Faster than the United States. And part of these reasons is because we make it so expensive under our tax code for people to save and invest. We penalize. And I just am reading some of the statistics here. Where the. The average tax . In the United States is going is. Is eight twenty eight percent compared to France at eighteen percent this is for if they invest savings and investment. Twenty eight percent in the US eighteen percent . In France Canada has twenty three percent and Japan has twenty percent so. Here the United States is making it more difficult to save and invest so . And like we mentioned before the capital gains tax relief means that if the American family as is. Buys a home for example and it goes up with inflation but doesn't go up any faster than inflation. When they sell that house we penalize . That family for the increased value of their house because of inflation. So if we have some capital gains tax relief. Then we . We say look if that house . Would only buy the equivalent of say five cars when you bought it. It doubles in price over fifteen years but it still only buys five cars . If we're going to tax on increased wealth . Then we shouldn't be taxed. Taxing that inflation. And that's what we're trying to do when we talk about capital gains tax relief. Exactly and that's and that's what the. The Dole a suggestion is all about . About reducing the rate of taxation . In order to promote this type of economic growth that we've seen before but I like to thank the gentleman for taking part in a special order and just conclude by saying that .

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    MR. SAXTON

    special order and just conclude by saying that . It's been proven . Sense…

    special order and just conclude by saying that . It's been proven . Sense of the one nine hundred sixty S. when John Kennedy was president . He gave that famous speech. Right here at the podium where he said. Taxes are too high and. The economy is suffering because of it and. Lyndon Johnson. His successor. Actually put those programs into place and the economy grew . And then Ronald Reagan got elected in one nine hundred eighty. Said almost the same thing almost the same words almost the same policies . Very similar . Similar enough to promote the kind of growth that we got during the eighty's . And if we today . In one thousand nine hundred six. Can look at the example set by Kennedy and Reagan. If we can look at what they did right. And

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