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House Session - September 10, 2002
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    to To close close twelve Rule one on the The Church chair of deters the…

    to To close close twelve Rule one on the The Church chair of deters the the house house in. recess until today .

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    THE CLERK

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    and selfless generosity will never be forgotten . Guardian no saint and…

    and selfless generosity will never be forgotten . Guardian no saint and sinner alike. Guy government leaders not protect our military forces. Today . And help all Americans realize their fullest potential . In the time you give us . And the chair has examined the Journal of the last day's proceedings and now says to the House for approval there are. Pursuant to Clause one. Of Rule one The Journal stands approved Madam Speaker . For what purpose does the gentleman from Indiana Rice. Madam Speaker. Pursuant to. Clause one rule one I demand a vote on agreeing to the speaker's approval of the journal. A question is on agreeing to the speaker's approval of the journal. So many as are in favor say aye. Those opposed no . The ayes have it. The journal stands approved. And a speaker I object to the vote on the grounds that a quorum is not present and make a point of order that a quorum is not present. Pursuant to cause eight . RULE twenty for their proceeding to on this question are postponed . The point of order is withdrawn. The Pledge of Allegiance will be led by the gentleman from Colorado Mr half like. I don't mean the pledge pledge allegiance to the flag. Of the United

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    States of America . And to the republic for which it's a one nation under…

    States of America . And to the republic for which it's a one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice .

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  • 10:02:15 AM

    MR. PENCE

    . The channel request and entertain.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    request and entertain. One minute for what purposes the gentleman from…

    request and entertain. One minute for what purposes the gentleman from Louisiana writes. Question George excuse me. Question Your generous out. One minute. Them are Mark. But

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  • 10:02:36 AM

    MR. PENCE

    that objections when you Madam Speaker are rise today to mourn the passing…

    that objections when you Madam Speaker are rise today to mourn the passing of what you may Swartz. And

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Swartz. And appraises tireless dedication . On behalf as fellow man.…

    Swartz. And appraises tireless dedication . On behalf as fellow man. William Swartz the C.E.O. of the National prostate cancer of coalition died last week. And he died of prostate cancer . Was just war says the former

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  • 10:02:54 AM

    MR. HEFLEY

    president C.E.O. of Cox enterprises and was president of Channel…

    president C.E.O. of Cox enterprises and was president of Channel Communications and first media. Is now standing citizen middle and a Georgia active in the Federation of Greater Atlanta Jewish Federation of Greater Atlanta. The Atlanta better way and temples where he is an active member. In one thousand nine hundred four Mr Swartz was diagnosed the prostate cancer. From that day forty dedicated himself to promoting awareness and increasing research to fight prostrate cancer . Mr Schwartz

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  • 10:03:18 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    increasing research to fight prostrate cancer . Mr Schwartz lobbied…

    increasing research to fight prostrate cancer . Mr Schwartz lobbied effectively for increased funding for cancer research and his advocacy benefited men. Throughout America . Though prostrate cancer took the life of William Swartz. His spirit and tireless efforts. Will

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  • 10:03:32 AM

    MR. ISAKSON

    efforts. Will save the lives of many men. I you know back . Down meals…

    efforts. Will save the lives of many men. I you know back . Down meals back. The gentleman from Ohio. And the person Without objection so a good gentleman is recognized for one minute. Madam Speaker . We owe it to the memories of those who lost their lives on nine eleven . To remember to reflect. And also to bring to justice those responsible . We also have a similar obligation not to use the events of nine eleven and the great losses which so many endured . As a pretext for launching a war against Iraq . Iraq was not responsible for nine eleven and Iraq has not been linked to nine eleven. Yet here we are on the anniversary of that grim day and all the administration is attempting to do is to reframe nine eleven . By beating the drum for war against the nation not connected to nine eleven . America's had enough violence in the past year. For our

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  • 10:04:33 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    country to have to suffer even more violence to the truth. Which brings us…

    country to have to suffer even more violence to the truth. Which brings us into an unjustified war . Let us

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  • 10:04:39 AM

    MR. BROWN

    unjustified war . Let us heal our nation . And heal it with truth . And…

    unjustified war . Let us heal our nation . And heal it with truth . And with

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  • 10:04:45 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    justice. That is the American way.

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    MR. KUCINICH

    Urges the gentleman in Colorado writes the press permission to address the…

    Urges the gentleman in Colorado writes the press permission to address the house for one minute. Without objection . Madam Speaker where approaching the end of this Congress without sending an energy bill to the president. The House passed H.R. for securing America's Future Energy Act of two thousand and one. And unfortunately we are not after one year . From that passage celebrating the signing of H.R. four into law. The president is still waiting to sign a comprehensive energy reform package that reduces our nation's dependency on foreign oil. Why is the president still waiting Madam Speaker. Not because of this house . Who work with the president to pass a comprehensive energy reform that increases America's national security H R four was ignored by the party that controls the other body who instead chose to take up and pass an energy package that did nothing to reduce our dependency on countries like Iraq . And people like

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  • 10:05:46 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Saddam Hussein . For our country's

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    MR. HEFLEY

    enery energy needs Madam Speaker less saying the president an energy bill…

    enery energy needs Madam Speaker less saying the president an energy bill that he can sign with confidence. One that

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  • 10:05:51 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    president an energy bill that he can sign with confidence. One that

  • 10:05:53 AM

    MR. HEFLEY

    bill that he can sign with confidence. One that increases both our…

    bill that he can sign with confidence. One that increases both our economic security and our national security . Let's pass one that looks very much like the one way passed a year ago August. Members have reminded not to characterize actions or inactions of the other body of the Congress . For our purposes the town from Ohio writes . Without objection . United States has become the world's. Steel dumping ground at the expense of U.S. jobs U.S. families in the U.S. economy. Since one nine hundred ninety seven thirty four steel companies have filed for bankruptcy . Seventeen since January of two thousand and one. Since President Bush became president. Including L.T.V. in Cleveland . In R.T.I. and Lorain Ohio unfair trade has victimized an entire generation of American steel workers who now depend on this industry. Steel workers and retirees . For their benefits . It's time for our leaders in Washington for a change to stand up . The house steal write a revitalisation act H.R. eight o eight has two hundred twenty nine co-sponsors . More than a majority

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . More than a majority of this body . The steel Revitalization Act. Will…

    . More than a majority of this body . The steel Revitalization Act. Will mean jobs. It will mean community revitalization . It will mean strengthening and improving the U.S. economy . Yet

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    MR. BROWN

    Republican leadership is blocked this bill.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    A majority of members of Congress of co-sponsor of the steel…

    A majority of members of Congress of co-sponsor of the steel Revitalization Act. And the

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    MR. BROWN

    of members of Congress of co-sponsor of the steel Revitalization Act. And…

    of members of Congress of co-sponsor of the steel Revitalization Act. And the conservative Republican leadership won't let this bill come to a vote . I asked my Republican friends to push their leadership . To do the right thing . For what purposes the gentleman from Nevada rise . Without objection . Thank you Madam Speaker ladies and gentlemen of the house. In the first six months of this year wildfires have burned nearly three million acres. Out west and that six month total. Is significantly more than the annual average isn't even greater than the number of acres burned at the same point during the record setting fire year of two thousand and thousands of acres of fire. Continue to burn as we speak . So far the state of Nevada has endured over six hundred seventy eight separate fires. Turning nearly eighty one thousand acres. Into charcoal. Wildfires not only devastate our precious precious national forest but they endanger private property . And the lives of thousands of residents in the West. It is time we give the Forest Service in a department of interior the tools they need to expeditiously implement. Feels reduction work. On tens of millions of acres of public land. At

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  • 10:08:31 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    public land. At risk of severe wildfire.

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    MR. GIBBONS

    I urge my colleagues to support the efforts of the House Committee on…

    I urge my colleagues to support the efforts of the House Committee on resources.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    resources. To move the president's healthy forest initiative to reduce…

    resources. To move the president's healthy forest initiative to reduce wildfire risk. For the

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  • 10:08:39 AM

    MR. GIBBONS

    healthy forest initiative to reduce wildfire risk. For the sake of our…

    healthy forest initiative to reduce wildfire risk. For the sake of our national resources . Our property and. Our Lives . Down many years back leopards as they gentleman from California rise . The gentleman is recognized for one minute without objection. Thank you Madam Speaker . I rise today to commend the cities of Santa Ana and Dan Haim for helping to bring down the rate of. Underweight babies in Orange County . Because of the high quality health care the cities have provided to women in my district . We have one of the lowest underweight birth rates in the nation. Santa Ana and Anaheim have proven that prenatal programs. Are the key to lowering the numbers of. Underweight babies and. Infant mortality . And in fact one such program. Maternal outreach management systems. Or mom is a nonprofit has worked hard to improve the infant health.

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  • 10:09:44 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    worked hard to improve the infant health. By working with women who are…

    worked hard to improve the infant health. By working with women who are under educated or may not have the information . Mom comes

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    under educated or may not have the information . Mom comes

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . Mom comes together. To help those in particular those with young…

    . Mom comes together. To help those in particular those with young children or about to give birth.

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  • 10:09:57 AM

    MS. SANCHEZ

    or about to give birth. Out of the forty six thousand born in Orange…

    or about to give birth. Out of the forty six thousand born in Orange County . This past year only five point five percent of the babies were born underweight. Programs like moms have given more women opportunities. To provide a better life for their unborn children . And a better chance at being healthy . And again I'd like to commend our cities of Santa Ana in Anaheim. In helping with this . Thank you Madam Speaker. For weaponry says gentleman from Pennsylvania raised. Without objection . Madam Speaker Nothing is more important in our democracy than the rights to free speech and peaceable assembly . No matter what they believe we need to allow people to speak out . When we begin to hush people up because of what they believe none of us is safe any longer under recently I thought all of us agreed on this. I guess I was wrong. Sorry to say that the bankruptcy reform conference report contains a provision that singles out one group of people for unusually harsh punishments simply for what they believe. Under the amendment. Pushed through by one powerful senator . Peaceful nonviolent. Pro-life protesters . Will face lifelong financial ruin if they have the temerity to stand outside an abortion clinic. And protest the death of children inside . Other groups can keep on speaking out protesting as they always have environmental. Labor civil rights but. If we

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  • 10:11:22 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    pass this bill its present form . Pro lifers will

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    MR. PITTS

    no longer have the same rights as other Americans have.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    same rights as other Americans have.

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    MR. PITTS

    This isn't fair this body should take no part in this it's wrong. I urge…

    This isn't fair this body should take no part in this it's wrong. I urge my colleagues to join me in opposing the bankruptcy conference report. In its present form. We should reintroduce this bill without this abortion amendment . And do the job right . I yield back . My purposes the gentleman from Texas writes. To address the house one minute later. Without objection Gemma's reckonings for one minute. Thank you Madam Speaker today I rise to. Again urge my colleagues if they aren't already members to join the Congressional Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children . In one nine hundred ninety seven a little girl named Laura Kate's mother . Was abducted after her while jogging in. Near her home in my congressional district and she was later found murdered . We've seen many of those stories. Unfortunately too many of them lately. The pain that I saw . And the terror . That I saw my community. Go through. As well as the way. They came together to search for this little girl. Inspired me to want to do something to prevent this kind of loss in the future . And I came to Congress with a lot of ideas and issues on my mind but soon realize the importance of. One that wasn't being adequately addressed and I founded the Congressional Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children . To serve as a

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . To serve as a loud and unified voice. For

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    MR. LAMPSON

    children all over the world.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    world. We've seen lots of stories recently . On

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    MR. LAMPSON

    . On C.N.N. and our newspapers and elsewhere during the summer. It's not…

    . On C.N.N. and our newspapers and elsewhere during the summer. It's not that there are more. We're becoming aware . Urge my colleagues to join the caucus on congressional links. And help us continue to fight. Child Abduction and exploitation. Thank you for what purpose the gentleman from Indiana writes this You know it's an interesting. And out of jail. Many speakers state the obvious tomorrow is. Tambour. Eleventh. Again . Like many Americans I'll be home. Taking time with family and neighbors for solemn. Reflection remembrance and prayer and so it should be for all Americans. But my earnest hope madam speaker is that September eleventh of this year not be an anxious time . That. In addition to remembering the last we actually Madam Speaker have much to commemorate. In the past twelve months our people have responded with selfless acts of courage and generosity our military has responded with valor our president . With moral clarity and purpose and this Congress Republicans and Democrats alike have responded with resources and reform. America is better prepared . And safer. This September eleventh. Than the last but let us also be confident in this. That

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    this. That he who set this Pilgrim's dream on this wilderness shores still…

    this. That he who set this Pilgrim's dream on this wilderness shores still watches over us Madam Speaker . And I say like

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    MR. PENCE

    shores still watches over us Madam Speaker . And I say like

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    watches over us Madam Speaker . And I say like

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    MR. PENCE

    . And I say like Americans have said throughout generations. I lift up my…

    . And I say like Americans have said throughout generations. I lift up my eyes to the hills . And where does my help come from my help comes from the Lord. I miss times these five percent gentleman from Texas rice . Without objection. Madam Speaker the American people need to know that there is legislation pending in this house . That would turn our churches into political campaign organizations. This bill would actually allow trenches Doohan Dorst political candidates . And even contribute church funds to political campaigns. H R twenty three fifty seven. Is an extraordinarily bad bill . It is a dangerous bill . This bill would demean the spiritual mission of our houses of worship . By turning them into a vehicle for campaign contributions . And partisanship . Madam Speaker if someone wanted to maliciously. Tear our churches apart . I could think of few ways to do it better than to pit. Church members. Against church members each. Sheers they debate which federal state county and local candidates to endorse and how much to contribute to them.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    to them. This bill is opposed by numerous religious organizations…

    to them. This bill is opposed by numerous religious organizations including the Baptist joint committee. The American Jewish Committee that. General Board of

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    Church and Society of the United Methodist Church . The Congress of…

    Church and Society of the United Methodist Church . The Congress of National Black Churches Uniface Alliance foundation. And the Baptist General Convention of Texas. Just to name a few if anyone thinks politicizing churches is a good idea. And that many times it is Alaskans of world history . For what purpose does that the gentleman from Michigan runs . One minute . With the revisions . And that objection gentleman is recognized for one minute . You know this week it's important to remember those who lost their lives during the attacks on America . Last year as well as . All of our first responders our medics our military personnel. The people that. Volunteered and tried to help . You know I think our founding fathers would be very proud of us . As they've seen. Our new . Diligence in our quest to preserve liberty and freedom in this country. President Bush has designated. September eleventh of each year to be Patriot Day and call on all Americans to observe it appropriately. I would urge. My Michigan citizens and all Americans . To

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    spend some time thinking about what we need to protect do to protect our…

    spend some time thinking about what we need to protect do to protect our liberty and freedom and to pray for those that died their families in their terrorist attack in New York Washington and Pennsylvania .

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    MR. SMITH

    in their terrorist attack in New York Washington and Pennsylvania .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    in their terrorist attack in New York Washington and Pennsylvania .

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    MR. SMITH

    . This Wednesday. Marks the one year anniversary and this week. Let's…

    . This Wednesday. Marks the one year anniversary and this week. Let's remember. What our forefathers did what happened to us one year ago . And our and renewed vigor to make sure that we do what's important to sacrifice ourselves in the preservation of liberty and freedom thank you. I mean the Times expire . From what purpose does the gentleman from New York rise . And Madam Speaker . For a motion to instruct conferees. The clerk will report the motion. Mr Pacelle moves that the managers in the part of the house of the conference on the disagreeing votes of the two houses. On the Senate amendment to the bill H.R. thirty two ten be instructed to agree to the provisions contained in Section eleven. Of the Senate amendment . Relating to satisfaction of judgments. From frozen assets of terrorist. Terrorist organizations and state sponsors of terrorism . I ask unanimous consent that all members of five days to revise and extend their remarks on the motions would instruct conferees on a trip or two or three two one zero. Without objection so ordered under Rule twenty two The gentleman from New York.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Mr Ficelle I am the gentleman from North Carolina Mr Watt . Each will…

    Mr Ficelle I am the gentleman from North Carolina Mr Watt . Each will control thirty minutes the chair recognizes the gentleman from New York.

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    MR. FOSSELLA

    Madam Speaker. Such time as I may consume.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    may consume. Without objection .

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    THE CLERK

    . Madam Speaker as we all know now. Tomorrow marks the first anniversary…

    . Madam Speaker as we all know now. Tomorrow marks the first anniversary of the greatest attack on the soil of the United States of America and . In that attack . Both at the Pentagon of Virginia. And Pentagon on Pennsylvania. And of course. In downtown Manhattan . This nation lost thousands of innocent human lives .

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  • 10:18:45 AM

    MR. FOZZELLA

    And since then. I think our nation has been on full alert and. In the…

    And since then. I think our nation has been on full alert and. In the field. Combat in the war on terrorism seeking them out those evil ones who committed those dastardly acts.

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  • 10:18:54 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    them out those evil ones who committed those dastardly acts. So that we…

    them out those evil ones who committed those dastardly acts. So that we can ensure that we can keep the peace for future generations . But at the same time. Madam Speaker . We need to get at the heart of these terrorist organizations in those states that sponsor terrorism. And believe it or not.

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    MR. FOSSELLA

    If an American citizen .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Seeks a judgment. In a

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    MR. FOSSELLA

    judgment. In a court of law and is successful . Against some of these…

    judgment. In a court of law and is successful . Against some of these terrorist organizations or states that sponsor terrorism and assets of frozen body United States government. Some of those victims who are successful in a court of law. May not. And indeed. Are not recovering. Those assets . And it's a little ironic that . American citizens can sue their neighbor. For a mild act. Obtain a judgment . And recover . And yet we can't sue a terrorist organization that killed people . And in. In this case thousands and. Not recover. Unless the federal government. On a petition or a case by case basis determines that those. Successful pointers should recover . This motion to instruct attempt to right that wrong . Under current law Americans who have been victimized by terrorist. And state subsidized terrorism. Are eligible to enforce court judgments against the assets of a terrorist they have had to wait until Congress acts. Before they could receive their awarded funds. Some victims have gotten compensated as been mentioned. And many of not. And as I mentioned. Today . Thousands of Americans and their families. Are considering and have joined a class action lawsuit. Aimed at recovering. And undermining the ability of these groups. To perpetuate their acts of evil . American victims of international terrorism we have will all have equal access to the courts and to block the assets of terrorists . Terrorist organization and state sponsors of terror . As a small but important token of justice. We impose immediate financial cost on terrorists and states that sponsor terrorism . Freezing assets for twenty years or twenty five years or thirty years or even five years. And then giving them back to the terrorist state. Does not impose such cost. And that seems to be the policy today . Dialing this carrot before these evil doers . As if they're going to stop their evil ways that present terrorism as a cheap way to pursue war against terror Americans . Unless the US finds ways to make it more costly. Terrorists and those states that sponsor terrorism. Have no economic incentive to stop. By imposing a direct and immediate cost this provision represents one affective financial tool . One of many. Against terrorists and those who help. them And this will seek to help the victims . And finally terrorist sponsor states will no longer be able to use the diplomatic and intelligence agencies to support terrorists with financial impunity in other words hiding behind this veil. Of diplomatic or intelligence community. Something that is too often abused . And it flies in the face of justice . Terrorism sponsoring states use that wholly owned and controlled agencies and instrumentalities. To raise . To launder. And distribute funds to terrorist cells. Sometimes even in the United States of America . Ironically these agencies and instrumentalities can claim. Foreign Sovereign immunity against victims and U.S. courts. Because of their relationship with the terrorist pondering States . By exposing these agencies and instrumentalities to liability . The US further increases the cost of. Sponsoring terrorism. And goes after the sources of funding for these organizations and cells . A matter speaker . Tragically And regrettably. I lost a lot of friends and a lot of neighbors . And America lost a lot of friends and a lot of neighbors and brothers and sisters. For the two hundred people from Staten Island . And almost another hundred from the Brooklyn portion of my district. And those families right now are suffering . The shock of it. The shock of losing a father or mother or sister or brother or uncle or aunt . And tomorrow marks the anniversary . And the notion that while brave men and women are fighting the war overseas and . Seeking out these terrorists . And those who help them and harbor them and. And finance them . Because they are thinking of doing it again. The notion that this government our government . Could prevent my neighbors and friends one day. If successful in a court of law of obtaining judgment . To be unable to recover assets Everest's. Terrorist organization or state that sponsors terrorism . To me is the most unjust thing. In this nation. So I urge all members to support this motion to instruct. To be compatible with the other body. And bring justice to these families . These victims of terrorism with that I reserve the balance of my time telling reserves the balance is time the gentleman from North Carolina. Thank you Madam Speaker. You know myself as much time as I may consume. Without objection . I want to applaud the gentleman for bringing this . Motion to instruct forward . And pursuing a very good idea. He that he has a number of speakers so. I'm going to reserve . My comments until. Some of his speakers can. Percy. And therefore reserve the balance Montalban Weezer's abounds this time the gentleman from New York . That I met a speaker at this time I yield to the gentleman from Utah who is really a bit of the vanguard in this and been pursuing this legislation. In the house for years a man who deserves. Much if not all of the credit for bringing this to the floor today.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    today. Mr Cannon of Utah . Yet the gentleman is a force that's young is…

    today. Mr Cannon of Utah . Yet the gentleman is a force that's young is recognized for five minutes down on you does Magnus for five minutes.

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  • 10:25:35 AM

    MR. WATT

    recognized for five minutes down on you does Magnus for five minutes.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    I think you Madam Speaker . And I'd like to think my friend.

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    MR. WATT

    Mr For solo my friend and colleague from New York Mr of solar for moving…

    Mr For solo my friend and colleague from New York Mr of solar for moving this issue today and . Given the opportunity to speak. I rise in support of the motion to instruct conferees on. H.R. thirty two ten. The terrorism Protection Act which provides for continued availability of insurance against terrorism risks and addresses multiple insurance . And liability issues arising from the September eleventh attacks. The Senate passed a similar version of the language.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    version of the language. Overwhelmingly supported by the house. And this…

    version of the language. Overwhelmingly supported by the house. And this motion will allow the house to show its.

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    MR. FOSSELLA

    Overwhelming support for this issue with the vote to instruct conferees…

    Overwhelming support for this issue with the vote to instruct conferees I'd like to talk particularly about the what I think is where the most important issues. In that bill which fell within the judiciary committees of jurisdiction . Under current law Americans have been victimized by city state subsidized terrorism and are eligible and enforce court judgments against the assets of a terrorist state that they wait for Congress to act before they could collect their awarded funds some victims have gotten compensated However most have not under the facility can and language in Section fifteen E. of the

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    have not under the facility can and language in Section fifteen E. of the

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    MR. CANNON

    have not under the facility can and language in Section fifteen E. of the…

    have not under the facility can and language in Section fifteen E. of the terrorism as Protection Act passed by the house American victims of international terrorism . Well of equal access to the courts. And to blocked assets of terrorists. Terrorist organizations. And state sponsors of terror . As a small but important. Token of justice. Because they would impose immediate financial cost on the states that sponsor terrorism. Freezing assets from for twenty years and giving them back to terrorist states does not impose such costs. At present to. It was a cheap way to pursue a war against Americans. Unless the US finds ways to make it more costly. Terrorists and states which sponsored terrorism . Have less. Economic economic incentive to stop by imposing a direct and immediate cost. This language represents one. Effect a financial tool against terrorists . And also helps their victims. After a stint pulled the language from their version of terrorism Ricks. Risk Protection Act. Congressman Fossella . And I introduced a standalone bill. To ensure a solution to this problem. However language identical to the bill interviews by Congress and. For selling me was added to the Senate bill in the floor by a vote of eighty one to three. With the this provision now included in both the House and Senate versions of the terrorism risk . Protection legislation . There is no reason why we should not be able to preserve the express will of both houses in conference by maintaining this language. Speaker. There are many people who would benefit from this . And with the recent attacks on the World Trade Center. There are many for Mr Purcell's district. That this looks legislation . Would directly affect others affected by. Include people like Terry Anderson . And other former hostages held by his ball of. Who successfully sued and won judgments against Iran. But have not been able to collect from the. Seized assets. The provisions in this bill today . Will allow access to the frozen assets of terrorists . Terrorist organizations and terrorist sponsor states. American victims of international terrorism who tain judgments against those terrorists . I would like to . Once again think Chairman Oxley Chairman Sensenbrenner. My colleague and friend Congressman Fossella . And my colleague and friend. Mr Watt Congressman Watt. For their efforts on this issue. I urge my colleagues to support the motion to strike conferees . Allowing. Victims to go directly after the frozen assets of terrorists and their sponsors. Will allow us to help our nation and our economy move forward. Back. Balance my time . We'll it's time . The gentleman from New York Times speaker again I like to thank the gentleman from Utah. For his leadership on at this time you hold one and one half minutes to the general from New York Mr Grucci. And gentleman from New York is recognized for one and one half minutes. I'd like to thank my colleagues. Congressman . For solo and Congressman Watts for their leadership on this I'd like to thank our chairman Chairman Oxley for his guidance and leadership on the Financial Services Committee. For bringing. Many pieces of legislation to reality. That will help us to not only track the. Assets to track. The money. Of terrorists. But now with this piece of legislation hopefully will be able to access that. For the victims. Madam Speaker I rise today in strong support of thirty two. Ten and. In an attempt to to locate the assets. To seize the assets and to deliver them back to the victims . Of

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . Of terrorists.

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    MR. FOSSELLA

    Terrorist nations that such or. Tomorrow will stand around and will be in…

    Terrorist nations that such or. Tomorrow will stand around and will be in solemn prayer and some places will be at services in other places and will remember the tragic attacks on America.

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    places and will remember the tragic attacks on America. Almost a year ago .

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    MR. GRUCCI

    . And for those of us who have borne the pain of seeing families torn…

    . And for those of us who have borne the pain of seeing families torn apart by this terrible terrible tragedy. I myself is that over seventy members of my district seventy families . In my district torn apart two of them I knew personally . It is a terrible deal for the families not only to lose the ones that they love . But then to face the uncertainty of what's going to happen to them economically . Their financial needs are all been torn apart . Their communities. Reaching out to them . But still not knowing the strength of what they have to go forward with hopefully. If we can get this legislation moving forward. Will be . May I see it thirty seconds more of a thirty second term is recognize when it is not thirty seconds . If we can move this piece of legislation forward . Hopefully we can bring some peace to their minds knowing that they'll have access to not only the love and the compassion and love and that has contributed for. Americans but also they'll be able to punish the terrorists even more by seizing their assets seizing their money which in turn will slow down their operations manager speak right could be a more support of this piece of legislation and once again I thank my colleagues . For their leadership on this and I yield back the remainder of how many years back to men from New York this week I yield two minutes to the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee and someone who's been leading this effort both before and after September eleventh and tracking down the assets of terrorists and. States that sponsor terrorism . As drops of Ohio. And gentleman from Ohio is madness for two minutes without objection. Thank you Madam Speaker let me first recognize . The gentleman from

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    MR. FOSSELLA

    Speaker let me first recognize . The gentleman from

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    recognize . The gentleman from New York.

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    MR. GRUCCI

    John from North Carolina for their leadership on this very very important…

    John from North Carolina for their leadership on this very very important issue the whole concept of . Taking the terrorist assets that have been seized and. Compensating a victims. Seem so elemental. To our system of justice that. It is clearly been one that has been incorporated in this legislation both in the house. And in the Senate and I would say without the leadership of these two gentlemen. We wouldn't be here today . As

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    . As we know the House passed . Our version of

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    MR. FOSSELLA

    passed . Our version of the. Terrorism insurance legislation. Back last…

    passed . Our version of the. Terrorism insurance legislation. Back last year . The Senate. Finally moved to in June . We just appointed conferees . Right before

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    the August recess . We're ready to

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    MR. OXLEY

    go to work on this side.

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    I will say I've had some discussions with.

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    MR. OXLEY

    discussions with. Participants from the other. Body. They seem ready and…

    discussions with. Participants from the other. Body. They seem ready and prepared to move forward . But there isn't any reason why we can't get this legislation . This could this conference committee completed. And on the president's desk. As quickly as possible and I would hope. Certainly. By the end of September. And that's not a realistic possibility I just saw study the other day that the amount of construction sites that are standing idle. And the amount of money in those construction sites now is over ten and a half billion dollars . That's an awful lot of jobs that we're losing as a result of this. Somebody once predicted that without terrorism insurance we could have a loss of one percent of our gross domestic product . Off. The the growth numbers. That's an awful lot of jobs an awful lot of economic activity so let's. Dedicate ourselves today . To first passing this. Excellent motion . To to go to conference and to instruct conferees . I want to assure both gentlemen that. My main task over the next few weeks will be that to bring this conference report . To the floor of the house and get assigned by the president. The gentleman from New York . Thank the chairman. At this time I feel one minute. To the gentleman from Louisiana who again has been at the forefront. And working closely with all of us to bring a terrorist to the heels. Mr Baker of Louisiana. And gentleman from Louisiana is recognized for one minute. Thank the gentleman for yielding and wish to express my appreciation to both of the gentleman from New York and Chairman Oxley for their leadership on this important issue. You know in this country. When we find someone engaged in the sale of drugs to minors. We think it's such a terrible offense that we not only give them jail time when convicted. We seize all their assets we take the car from which the material was haul we take anything we can find related to that activity . How more appropriate . When some state sponsored activity. Takes the life . Or tortures innocent individuals for no apparent reason that we should go after not only the acts of terror. Those who engage in it . But their assets

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    . But their assets as well. The

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    MR. FOSSELLA

    United States government has seized millions of dollars of assets that…

    United States government has seized millions of dollars of assets that could be made available to the victims of these heinous acts . But the Congress must act. And so I commend these individuals for taking the leadership bringing forth. This motion to instruct. Which will in some

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    instruct. Which will in some small way bring relief to those who have been…

    instruct. Which will in some small way bring relief to those who have been gravely harmed. And

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    MR. BAKER

    who have been gravely harmed. And more importantly send a very strong…

    who have been gravely harmed. And more importantly send a very strong message to those who engage in acts of terror. When you engage in these acts. That will be a very high price to pay . Money is not enough . We need more . The gentleman from North Carolina's recognized . Map speaker. Myself as much time as I may consume to my name Christine. Thank you Madam Speaker and. I want to express my thanks again to mystify and to. Mr Grucci. To the chairman of the . Financial Services Committee missed Oxley. Mr BAKER. Mr Cannon. All of whom have viewed this issue as being important enough to come and support . This motion to instruct conferees. I'm personally not a big proponent of motions to instruct conferees because. Experience has shown that when we instruct the conferees they seldom . Pay much attention to what we instructed them to do any way. They can to have minds of their own but.

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    but. This seems to me to be one of those situations where there is a…

    but. This seems to me to be one of those situations where there is a growing sense of unanimity .

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    MR. WATT

    is a growing sense of unanimity .

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    sense of unanimity .

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    MR. WATT

    sense of unanimity . That this is a good idea. And . I want to thank my…

    sense of unanimity . That this is a good idea. And . I want to thank my friend must if Salo for picking up the idea and running with it. Let me. Kind of trace the history of how we got here so that . My colleagues will understand that there's been several kind of odd references to . To me as. One of the moving forces in this and. My colleague should know that this was an idea that I originated in a very crude. Amendment which I all for it to the terrorism bill . When it was being considered a year or so ago. The Financial Services Committee . I had two objectives. In all framing the crude. Crudely drone quickly drone Amendment . To that bill . One of those. Was the obvious . Kind of frustration. And feeling of helplessness that all of us had in the aftermath of September. The vets of September eleventh . And the feeling that . As Chairman Oxley said. This was a pretty elementary notion that. If the federal government was going to freeze assets of terrorist and terrorist groups that . It shouldn't necessarily be the federal government that benefited from freezing those assets but that those assets should be available to the individuals whose lives had been taken the families of those individuals . And the individuals who had been injured by . Acts of terrorism. So the first reason that I had was just a sense of frustration and. Wanting to do something in response to the acts of September eleventh . And to other acts of terrorism. The second rationale. Had really. I have to reveal to my colleagues . In honesty . Was kind of to make a point. Because when we were debating the terrorism. Reinsurance bill . One of the issues that came up in the committee . Was whether we would do some kind of tort reform. In the context. Of the. Terrorism reinsurance bill and. I was frustrated by the notion that my colleagues would take a. Terrorism reinsurance bill. And Jack. They holiday. Political issue of tort reform . In that bill and I wanted to try to demonstrate to my colleagues how unreasonable . I thought this whole concept of tort reform was and . I thought the best way to do that was to point out to them that if they did tort reform . They would be capping capping . As part of that tort reform the recoveries that individual citizens. Could obtain for . Acts of terrorism . And I couldn't imagine that that my colleagues would want to put an arbitrary cap of two hundred fifty thousand dollars in punitive damages or . Some any. Any kind of cap on the recovery of a constituent of mine and her family who had been killed in the in the violence that . Own the U.S.S. Cole my constituent. Look Tina. Francis who had lost her life her family was there in North Carolina . And my colleagues were playing politics with this bill and . I thought that one of the ways that I could. Illustrate to them that what they were doing was unreasonable was to offer. This amendment . In the context of that terrorism. Reinsurance bill. And I did. And of course . As I thought it did put my colleagues who were supporting. Tort reform in a pretty. A tough position . They finally started to understand that these obvious caps that they were talking about in this bill . Didn't make sense in. When somebody gets blown up when somebody gets injured by. Extreme negligence of another party and . And my colleagues thought this was a good idea and they adopted this amendment in the. Terrorism. Reinsurance bill. They adopted my amendment to the bill. Well I concede. I conceded at the outset that this was a crude effort . And an effort that started to build steam right there in the committee . And after the committee mock up in the passage of the house. Terrorism reinsurance B.-O.. I'm happy to say that most of Sela. And missed the cannon. Picked up on this idea and introduced a freestanding bill . That was much much better than the crude language that I had offered in the committee. And when the bill was considered. In the Senate the Senate to put the language in the big no. Which was much better than I had introduced in the Financial Services Committee. And much better even than the freestanding bill that mystify Sal and Mr Cannon. Had introduced . Which is why we are here with a motion to instruct conferees to leave the provision in the bill . That's how we got here. This is a great idea. Not because I started with the idea but just because of what Mr Oxley said the chairman of the Financial Services Committee . This is so. Elemental . Why would we freeze the assets of a terrorist group a terrorist contrary a terrorist. And not make those assets available to satisfy a judgment that an individual who has been injured or the family of an individual who has been killed in a terrorist attack. Why would we freeze the assets if we weren't doing it for this . Honorable purpose so . I just think. This is something whose time has come . I don't think it's going to be a controversial role the U.S. Treasury has blocked . Over a three billion dollars from organizations or countries designated as terrorist or state sponsors of terrorism blocking this money may cripple these organizations and these terrorist states. But it does little to assist the victims of their terrorist acts. Unless we put this provision in the bill the bill allows Americans who have suffered as a result of terrorist acts to receive compensation from these blocked assets compensating victims . Well not in terrorism as we know it. But it does raise the price and it sends a message to terrorist organizations . And the states that sponsor them . We will not stand for the murder of innocent Americans . Those who target a target Americans will be punished . And not only will you be punished criminally . You will be punished. Financially. As a result of this language . Using terrorist assets to compensate Victor and. Victims punishes terrorists and deter future acts of violence hopefully . Maybe maybe not but whether it does or does not. We want them . To pay for what they've done terrorist states and organizations . Should not go unpunished for murdering innocent. American Americans. Just this past summer five Americans were murdered in the cafeteria at Hebrew University . And the organization that claimed responsibility for that . Hast funds blocked by the US Treasury. Those people ought to have access to those funds and be able to get that to them selves Bill this is fair it gives all American victims of terrorism an opportunity to receive compensation from terrorist assets and . I urge mouth . Colleagues to retain this important provision in the found version of the terrorism insurance bill . By doing so we demonstrate our commitment to the victims of terrorist attacks and show our resolve to punish those states and organizations that sponsor terrorism . That's language host terrorist accountable for their crimes against Americans. It's a great idea . And all of the people who have picked it up and run with it . And reserve the balance of my time . Down in the Reserves the balance this time the gentleman from New York . I close out if you're in the last speaker. Nobody has requested that I am on the side and I'm happy that you know back in. If the gentleman is right or close links money. Gentleman from North Carolina yells back. The balance of his time the gentleman from New York is recognized myself such time as I may consume about objects. And at the outset . Let me really think . The gentleman from North Carolina Mr Watt. We really would not be here but for his efforts his ideas his support and his leadership . And the victims of terrorism . Oh. Fixed too to the general from North Carolina . As well as. Mr Sensenbrenner Mr Oxley. Mr BAKER. Mr Grucci. And Mr Canada. Who really brought us here today . And underscore what we've all said and I'm not going to repeat it.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    said and I'm not going to repeat it. But every day . And especially…

    said and I'm not going to repeat it. But every day . And especially tomorrow September eleventh two thousand and two.

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    MR. FOSSELLA

    and two. We honor the heroes and the victims who perished last year.

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    MR. WATT

    the heroes and the victims who perished last year. Our fellow American…

    the heroes and the victims who perished last year. Our fellow American citizens. Those who just want to ordinary way of life a peaceful life . Who

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    want to ordinary way of life a peaceful life . Who sought to raise a…

    want to ordinary way of life a peaceful life . Who sought to raise a family in this great nation .

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    MR. FOSSELLA

    Who sought to do a job and do it right.

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    do a job and do it right.

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    MR. FOSSELLA

    And those valiant heroes from the police department in the Port Authority…

    And those valiant heroes from the police department in the Port Authority and especially the firefighters . Seventy eight of whom are from Staten Island alone . And names like. Egan and Olsen Tola. Esposito and sailor and Leahy and going on and tragically thousands of others. Their names. Yes but their families. If left behind . Children are left behind. Wives husbands . And parents and grandparents. And what they were seeking . Was all what I think this were all about . The right to live in freedom . With liberty and peace . And that was robbed from them. Was robbed from their families . And yes we are stronger and better country . And we're fortunate to have brave men and women to wear the uniform. To go. Get those people wherever they may be across the globe with the commander in chief President Bush leading the way . But at the same time . I think it's unbelievable that . These families down the road . In the event that they were obtained a judgment. Would have to come back to Congress. Or to their own government to petition against a terrorist organization . Or a state that sponsors terrorism . To recover some of those assets. We should be here next year or ten years from now debating this. We should. And the subject right now. Put it to a close. And bring justice to those victims who suffered and will be suffering for a long time but at least this Congress is speaking with one voice . And say that we're going to right that wrong. And provide equity. For all of them. With that Madam Speaker I yield back the balance of my time. The gentleman yields back the balance of his time . Without objection the previous question is ordered . The question is on the motion to instruct all those in favor say aye . Those opposed no in the opinion of the chairs the eyes have it. I was speaker. My purpose the gentleman from New York then I demand. The A's and are nays requested those favoring a vote of the a's and nays will rise . Sufficient number having risen the names are ordered. Pursuant to Clause eight of rule twenty for the president on this question will be postponed.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    For what purposes the gentleman from Ohio rice burner Speaker I ask…

    For what purposes the gentleman from Ohio rice burner Speaker I ask unanimous consent to take from the speaker's table the bill H.R.

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    MR. FOSSELLA

    Speaker I ask unanimous consent to take from the speaker's table the bill…

    Speaker I ask unanimous consent to take from the speaker's table the bill H.R.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Speaker I ask unanimous consent to take from the speaker's table the bill…

    Speaker I ask unanimous consent to take from the speaker's table the bill H.R.

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    MR. FOSSELLA

    Speaker I ask unanimous consent to take from the speaker's table the bill…

    Speaker I ask unanimous consent to take from the speaker's table the bill H.R.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Speaker I ask unanimous consent to take from the speaker's table the bill…

    Speaker I ask unanimous consent to take from the speaker's table the bill H.R. five zero one one. Making preparations for military construction . Family Housing and Base Realignment and Closure. For the Department of Defense for the fiscal year ending. September thirtieth two thousand and three . And for other purposes with the Senate members there to disagree a member of the Senate. And agree the conference requested by the Senate. The clerk will report the title. H.R. fifty eleven. And act making appropriations for military construction family housing and Base Realignment and Closure for the Department of Defense for the fiscal year ending September thirtieth two thousand and three and for other purposes. Without objection it is to ordered. Purposes the gentleman from Massachusetts arise from the desk before the motion. Mr all over moves that the managers on the part of the house on the conference. Of the

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    managers on the part of the house on the conference. Of the

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    disagreeing votes. Of the two houses on the bill and each are fifty alive…

    disagreeing votes. Of the two houses on the bill and each are fifty alive and. Be instructed to insist on the higher up. Of the House or Senate . Funding levels with regard to funding for planning design construction . Alterations and improvements of his military facilities including environmental remediation . Barracks . Hospitals child care facilities and family housing . Under Rule twenty two The gentleman from Ohio Mr Hobson And the gentleman from Massachusetts Mr Omer each may control thirty minutes the chair recognizes the gentleman from Ohio.

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    chair recognizes the gentleman from Ohio.

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    THE CLERK

    chair recognizes the gentleman from Ohio. From Massachusetts . Thank you…

    chair recognizes the gentleman from Ohio. From Massachusetts . Thank you Madam Speaker Boehner Speaker this is a straight forward motion . That all members will

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    this is a straight forward motion . That all members will be able to…

    this is a straight forward motion . That all members will be able to support it instructs the House conferees . To work

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    MR. OLVER

    . To work toward the highest funding levels.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Possible .

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    THE CLERK

    Not on the speaker as the ranking member for the subcommittee . I have…

    Not on the speaker as the ranking member for the subcommittee . I have visited many military installations with the chairman the gentleman from all piled. Installations are both. Onshore and offshore . We both agree that there's a tremendous backlog and provided. Decent housing. Modern work. Places and and. Critical security for our servicemen and women and their families.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    and their families. The needs are well beyond the funding available in…

    and their families. The needs are well beyond the funding available in either the House or the Senate bill. But I strongly believe we need to get. Every cent . Vailable or military construction of the Department of Defense.

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    MR. OLVER

    I urge members . To support this motion to instruct. And I reserve the…

    I urge members . To support this motion to instruct. And I reserve the balance by talking down the reserves the balance is time the gentleman from Ohio is right and I am speaker out where will you accept. The gentleman's motion . And I would be thanking Terry go back to balance of his time. And I mean. I'm prepared to go back about my time . Down and Speaker I yield back the balance of homes on him and then be on the back . Without objection the previous question is ordered the question is on the motion to instruct all those in say favor say aye . Those opposed no in the opinion of the chair the eyes have it. The motion is agreed to and without objection the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. If your day. Appoints the following conferees. But without objection.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    without objection. Mr Hobson Walsh. Dan Miller of Florida hold. Ms Granger.

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    MR. HOBSON

    hold. Ms Granger. Misters skiing. Vitor young of Florida. Over . Edwards…

    hold. Ms Granger. Misters skiing. Vitor young of Florida. Over . Edwards far of California . Boyd. Dix and for weapons is the gentleman from California Rice .

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    for weapons is the gentleman from California Rice .

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    MR. HOBSON

    for weapons is the gentleman from California Rice .

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    MR. OLVER

    is the gentleman from California Rice .

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    Madam Speaker I ask you now is consent to take from the speaker's table…

    Madam Speaker I ask you now is consent to take from the speaker's table the bill a charge of fifty ten . Making a perforation for part of the fence for the fiscal year ending September thirty two zero zero three. And for other purposes for the Senate members there to disagree to be a member of the Senate. And agree to the conference requested by the should the clerk will report the title. H.R. fifty ten. And act making appropriations for the Department of Defense for the fiscal year ending September thirtieth two thousand and three and for other purposes . Without objection .

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    THE CLERK

    For what purposes gentleman from Massachusetts . Right out of the speaker…

    For what purposes gentleman from Massachusetts . Right out of the speaker I have a postal address . The clerk will report the motion. Mr over moves at the managers on the part of the house . Of the conference on the disagreeing votes of the two houses on the bill H.R. fifty ten. Be

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    instructed to insist on the higher funding levels permitted within the…

    instructed to insist on the higher funding levels permitted within the scope of conference with regard to chemical and biological defense programs projects and activities .

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    MR. LEWIS

    defense programs projects and activities . Pursuant to Rule twenty two The…

    defense programs projects and activities . Pursuant to Rule twenty two The gentleman from California . Mr Lewis and the gentleman from Massachusetts Mr Albert.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    the gentleman from Massachusetts Mr Albert.

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    THE CLERK

    Mr Albert. Each may control thirty minutes . The chair recognizes the…

    Mr Albert. Each may control thirty minutes . The chair recognizes the gentleman from Massachusetts . Thank you Madam Speaker Boehner Speaker I offer this motion on behalf of the ranking.

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    behalf of the ranking. Subcommittee members Mr Murtha who's been detained.…

    behalf of the ranking. Subcommittee members Mr Murtha who's been detained. I'm not a speaker it's become obvious to all the chemical and biological warfare. Is

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    MR. OLVER

    become obvious to all the chemical and biological warfare. Is a clear and…

    become obvious to all the chemical and biological warfare. Is a clear and present danger to our country . The two

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    to our country . The two

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    THE CLERK

    gentlemen who lead . The defense subcommittee. The slowest in California…

    gentlemen who lead . The defense subcommittee. The slowest in California in this reverse Pennsylvania have to recognize this fact for many years of steadfastly. Work to increase the funding for the variety of promising. Technologies in development. Protect us from these weapons of mass destruction. We want . Through this motion

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    to continue. This . The gentleman from California Mr Lewis is recognized.…

    to continue. This . The gentleman from California Mr Lewis is recognized. And that speaker or . I'm prepared to accept a gentleman's motion and with that I reserve the balance of my time. The gentleman from Massachusetts . The

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    MR. OLVER

    . The speaker. If the gentleman from California has. Is prepared to do so…

    . The speaker. If the gentleman from California has. Is prepared to do so I'm scared to peel back my time . Now you're back down to my time. And the gentleman from S. and he says he has been. Sounds this time. Without objection the previous question is or in the question is on the motion. To instruct all those in favor say aye . Those opposed no in the opinion of the chair the eyes have it . The motion is agreed to and without objection the motion to reconsider is laid on the table . Without objection the. Appoints the following conferees. Mr Lewis of California Young of Florida. Hobson another cut . Cunningham

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    another cut . Cunningham Freeling highs and two your Murtha picks say…

    another cut . Cunningham Freeling highs and two your Murtha picks say about this cost Moran of Virginia . And O.B.

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    MR. LEWIS

    picks say about this cost Moran of Virginia . And O.B.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . What purpose does the gentleman from California rise.

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    MR. OLVER

    rise. The motion the desk clerk or report the motion to Mr Lewis of…

    rise. The motion the desk clerk or report the motion to Mr Lewis of California .

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    MR. LEWIS

    Mr Lewis of California .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Lewis of California . Moves that the meetings on the conference between…

    Lewis of California . Moves that the meetings on the conference between the House and the Senate on H.R. fifty ten be closed to the public at such time. Times as classified national security information may be broached providing that any sitting member of Congress shall be entitled to attend any meeting of the conference. The question is then the motion. All those in favor say aye. All those opposed no in the opinion of the chair.

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    in the opinion of the chair. Have it. And the motion. Under the rule the…

    in the opinion of the chair. Have it. And the motion. Under the rule the nays are ordered.

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    This fifteen minute vote on the motion to authorize closed meetings of the…

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    While this vote is underway we'll bring you an interview from earlier we…

    While this vote is underway we'll bring you an interview from earlier we spoke with a Capitol Hill reporter about the appropriations bills still on Congress's to do list this session with C.Q. Daily Monitor the first two appropriations bills are headed to conference defense and military construction what's ahead for that legislation . Then only quickly . The president really wants. Money to spend in the Pentagon in the ongoing war on terrorism and. No one really wants to hold up that money here in Congress so they'll probably move fairly quickly and perhaps even by October first which will be the start of the physically or with this money would start being spent. You mention the money. How much is it. And what does it pay for all of the defense bill. It's between three hundred fifty and three hundred fifty five billion dollars . The House and Senate passed lightly different versions of the bill. It's in that ballpark though . That money is all for Pentagon operations overseas for. Building new facilities it's for pain to soldiers for buy new weapons. The military construction bills about ten. Ten point five billion dollars That's for building barracks. Military housing facilities like. Gyms and. Shopping centers for military overseas and domestically . These conference committees work out the differences between the House and Senate. What are the differences to be worked out . Very few actually the defense bill . Both chambers both chambers. Kept pretty much to the president's request . The only major difference is that the ship building . The Senate included about. I think about a billion dollars more for ship building to increase levels above what the president requested . Most everyone thinks there should be more ship building . But it's hard to find money in the budget for that when your supply money for what. Whatever those other systems . But legislators in the Senate felt that was important about money for new ships to keep at least three hundred . In the U.S. Naval and. They're going to find a way to keep that if. When they go she with a house . Any special reason why these are the first two bills to go to conference there the politically easiest ones. This is where a war with terrorism we're talking going to war with Iraq it's offense talk needs the money and you know want to stay on the way the defense bill. This time . With all of that that you just mentioned how quickly it might to these bills come out of conference . Because it could go fairly quickly the defense bill. As I said only has the shipbuilding issue really to resolve . Military Construction is a little trickier it's not a terribly controversial bill . But the president sends his request to Congress and then. Each chamber adds some money . You know. Members have special projects they want their districts or products are near and dear to their hearts. And to each chamber ads. Are completely different lists because there's different legislators and different priorities . But the Senate had a lot more money to work with so there are about a billion dollars apart. And that builders can be hard to get people going to make sacrifices to get that bill. Done which is hard . What sacrifices might you see . If a member was trying to get a new. Or for example a gym. Built on a base in their district or was trying to increase security or that it based their district. That might have to be cut because the bill isn't because it's not of money for everybody. New Sorrels. Of the C Q Daily Monitor thank you very much . Live coverage of the U.S. House on C.-SPAN. The house is currently conducting a procedural vote on. H.R. fifty ten . The defense spending bill for fiscal year two thousand and three the vote is on whether to close to the public. Part of the conference committee meeting. The house is currently conducting a procedural vote on H.R. fifty ten. The defense spending bill. There will be two more votes coming up including H.R. fifty eleven the Military Construction appropriations bill. And later on H.R. thirty two ten. Which is the. Terrorism insurance . Protect the terrorism risk protection act. Well the vote continues its primary day in a number of states and the District of Columbia. Bond rivers and Chuck Todd from The Hotline joins us this morning on Washington Journal to take a closer look at some of the races going on and we'll show you as much of this as we can while the voting. Continues. Again. But now we're going to move to politics . And over at the hotline this morning we have checked out in Van VORs joining us good morning gentleman. Morning Coffee. Day and politics a area. Yes ma'am. How many . Is it eleven twelve how many of you know. The we come to a final. Well it's twelve states but there's a leaven that are holding primaries and once holding a runoff Georgia there's a couple of runoff that there that they're finishing up today so that's why there's this eleven states versus twelve states. Plus the District of Columbia so that makes a third teen. State and Territory. OK so I want to start by asking you each a question. And I'm going to start with chalk and check ask you first. For the Republicans. What would be the most embarrassing and devastating loss today. The most embarrassing and devastating loss look at you you set that up. Probably you know that . It's not necessarily there's one that's devastating arm verus thing at this point in me you know. It's some people might think New Hampshire because of an incumbent senator losing or Johnson in a losing. But that's not become an embarrassment anymore. There's been a lot of. Some people might have thought. Bill McBride beating Janet Reno would be an embarrassment to the Republicans in Florida . But it's hard to call Claire quantify that as an embarrassment. Either one of my guess a little bit Dole. If she somehow lost her primary today . That would be a tremendous embarrassment but we're not. That's a highly unlikely. And vine VORs what about for the Democrats. Well for the Democrats . Still ahead same thing in North Carolina where Erskine Bowles has a little bit more of a chance of losing the primary to Dan Blue. Probably is going to is going to get out of that OK although we're hearing the weather is not great down there which might suppress a little bit or turn on. I think one of the bigger embarrassments but mostly that the room. Democrats are hoping for certain Republicans to win they'd like to see Bob Smith win in that the New Hampshire. The Senate race. One of the bigger embarrassments that is potentially out there for Democrats is. Today is in the New York governor's race where. Andrew Cuomo dropped out of the race last week he is done. But his name is still on the ballot and if for some reason . He were to make a good showing on the ballot. That might be a little bit of embarrassment to Carl McCall the comptroller who's basically got that primary wrapped up but they're still voting on it today . CUOMO still on the ballot that might be a little bit of an embarrassment . There in New York for Democrats. Our phone lines are open if you'd like to join us today we're talking about some of these primary races across the country . And if you would like to talk with Chuck Todd involve reverse Usually you just have a chance to listen this time you have a chance to ask them questions . We're talking about all of these primaries across the country and their importance. Gentleman. OK This all happened. The day before September eleventh is there any impact of this commemoration tomorrow. And the speech on Thursday and everything that's going on this week and worldwide politics to these . To these primaries to some I think one of the impacts is the lack of coverage of the last remaining days of this campaign is getting . It's weird here we have the biggest primary day of the year. And you have this . The national press corps. Is completely now . But ignoring these. These primaries. By and large . Now they did some pieces Friday and Saturday and a couple on Sunday. But then papers got completely turned over to nine eleven . Remembrances starting yesterday in the papers and of course all the front pages today . And so there's sort of this weird split so there's a. There is sort of a lack of coverage. There's a lack of coverage . Lead to lower turnout. Those patriot to the you know . There's some people of like to think that that somehow nine eleven is going to spark of voter interest we haven't seen it yet. And it's unlikely we're going to see it today. Yeah I think it did I think Chuck's. Right and I think that in primaries in general you've got your core base of parties. Turning out to vote in. Races where there's a contested Democratic primary. Not a Republican one you're going to have more Democrats come out to vote because I they have something to hope for . I think that you're still going to have the core of those you might have a slight drop but we've seen that across the board this time as well I think of one the issues that we picked up on a little bit this morning. Is that you might have some ballot problems again this time. Florida of course. Voting. Very close to a Democratic primary potentially there and. They're testing out their new touch screen. Ballots this time around . They've already gone through some some. Absentee ballot counting and in Palm Beach County where there were a lot of problems last time around. They. They have thrown out already some two hundred absentee ballots . Because of mistakes people not signing their ballots. People marking them wrong . In New Hampshire today . There's actually going to be three ballots handed out . That is going to be fairly confusing because of their redistricting process . You can have about for your major races about for your say Why gracious about your local races I believe three different ballots. Three different boxes to put your bow to and could get a little confusing the. Officials up there keeping their fingers crossed . So we'll see if we have any more. Turns of that nature like we saw in two thousand and at this point in time at this far away from the two thousand election. Are we nationwide in any of these primary states anywhere closer to some kind of an across the board voting process . I don't think so there's a lot of calls for for a nationwide reform. System but when you look at it state by state those are the the statewide . People like to have control of their election process probably not a bad idea for that to happen . But I think what you have seen as a lot more updating of the voting equipment like we're going to see in Florida we'll see how that works out today. The touch screen. Seems to be of the sort of fad of the moment . Seem to be a little bit more people feel more comfortable with that system and. You know we'll see what happens but you see that all across the country I think . And you meet these gentlemen and or you see them and hear them. Several times a week here on the. Washington Journal we want to give you an opportunity to actually get involved with them on this day of the primaries across the country and also to get to know them a little bit better. Let me introduce your first to Chuck Todd. Chuck Todd has been with hotline now . You both of your BIOS here say that you've been with hotline . On and off since one nine hundred ninety two that every week every time you leave they just bring you back. And both of you have done that. You know. You. know OK . Checked out it's been editor in chief since last year. And he started that hotline as an in turn . And then has been the managing editor also the political editor. And the editor. He has worked for Sports Business Daily. And his past in one thousand nine hundred forty one thousand nine hundred five worked on some initiative campaigns in Florida. And also worked on a presidential run which one it was Tom Harkin's presidential race in one thousand nine hundred one . Was supposed to be the ninety two race but of course . It basically ended more ninety one than it did ninety two. Checked out so rigid hometown is Miami Florida and he has a degree from George Washington University in political science and did you bring the French Horn This morning I understand your. You know do French or in any war. Not as much as I wish I do wish I did but you actually have a degree in music. It's so it turned into the minor and . I did. I got lazy at the end and was starting to work too much. After go west to find the hometown of on Verver as it's. Is. similar Is that right similar Colorado lawyers that that's about forty miles east of Colorado Springs right on Highway twenty four between. Colorado Springs and alignment on the way out to the to the eastern plains of the state . Convers attended the University of Colorado he has been again with The Hotline. On and off for says nine hundred ninety two. And as also work for Fox News as an associate producer for Fox News . Fox News Sunday and as a producer for Fox News he was also on the C.B.S. News election unit as an associate producer and research and. Hotline staff writers associate editor in the early ninety's. And electronic media editor in one nine hundred ninety. OK gentlemen it's time for some phone calls but first of all . Which is the. Which is the primary to watch today . Why I think obviously the Florida primary is the one to watch it's the one with the most you can mean not be the most exciting or maybe I end up. We know the answer already and Bill McBride might continue his surge through there. But it really has all the story lines involved in a you've got Florida from two thousand that the election the closely contested election there for the presidency . He's got a. BUSH BROTHER There is Janet Reno can somehow. Eek this out and we end up winning that. Nomination you've got the Clinton factor there is that above sort of a polarizing of lightning rod from the Clinton administration. You know that to me is the one that has all the elements now whether it's going to be the best race. That's another. That's another question. What's your favorite state that. Well you've got to I like New Hampshire. Simply because in this one little state. It compas is . Everything and more about this battle for two thousand and two the battle for control of the Senate being decided between you know Sununu and Smith. The whole reason for noonish primary challenge a smith was. Who's got the ability to actually beat Jeanne Shaheen the Democratic governor there. And that. And that race and of course lot a of people think Sununu has a better chance than Smith. Then you've got an Open House race in the. New Hampshire's first district that's a seat that Johnson is vacating. That's a swing district. Democrats have to pick up a district like this if they're going to try to win back the House. You also have a Democratic primary in New Hampshire second congressional district. Another sort of a tear to target of Democrats they'd like to think they could knock off Charlie Bass a Republican member there . Course they've thought that they could not Gov Charlie Bass for the last two or three election cycles. And then the governor's race there is just wild and it's actually the one that drive . It's driving turnout New Hampshire you know. In Washington we're so focused on the battle for the Senate in the house. But the governor's race up there you got a millionaire businessman . Craig Benson who is broke. Every spending record. Known to man up there New Hampshire. And yet as of this morning. You. Can't find anybody who actually believes either Craig Manson. Or the former senator there was in that race Gordon Humphries going to when all of sudden now everybody thinks the guy and that was in third place all along that Bruce Keough is going to be the one that ends up with this nomination simply because the two Benson and Humphrey been beating each other up dead. That all the. All the votes are going to go to the. The one guy that hasn't been as negative so we've seen that happen in primaries in the past. One earlier this year in South Dakota. So. Your Hampshire's. Could be a very late night New Hampshire lot of close races. First call is from more North Carolina North Carolina as a primary today. Hello worn by I my question is to both of them. Don't they believe that a free press and unbiased . Nonpartisan media is one of the most important resources in our democracy today. Because that helps the people. Sure that the people are informed and they can make an educated decision . And what's your point in all of that when we don't . Because there have been a lot of stories about recount a can that are covered up . Jeb Bush his involvement and the Broward. Savings and Loans being covered up . Do your day and feel of your day and out of Connecticut who ran against labor meant his affair with two small children thing covered up and. You know if they were Democrats. They'd be screaming about it on Tokyo. And I just. People are not being informed . And how do you know about these things. I know about them because I read about them on the Internet. On the Internet yeah. And you believe that everything they read on the i like I don't believe a lot of things I read here but I checked and I check and I check. And when you get. This is definitely true about the ledger and your Danno it's also definitely true about Jeb Bush in Broward. Citing that alone. Chuck Chuck lost. It's all you know we this is a . This is a but actually come play that Chuck and I've been covering the coverage your column for about eight years . Each and. It's a complaint that we've heard throughout the years. Really coming from both sides . I you have every. You have to give both wings of the political spectrum . Making these kinds of claims and I think that that right there has to kind of prove that I we really that. There is a pretty balanced media . In the country . That I don't think that it will. There's any kind of swing one side of the other. In terms of the coverage and. You know just as a point of balance here at the hotline you mentioned that Chuck had worked for Tom Harkin's presidential campaign in the his ninety two race and. I actually work for Pat Buchanan's presidential race in one thousand nine hundred two. So we come at this from sort of opposite ends of our experience and . You know we we. We've managed to keep an excellent balance your thought life. What we've been able to do really is just celebrate the joy of politics and that's what we have in common that's where were we all do here. You know Conny without in danger in this discussion slipping totally into. Bias in journalism Dan and I debate all the time . I actually sometimes wonder if a biased. Journalism. A partisan journalism would be better . And would be a way to actually keep us better informed if you knew exactly the point of view. That a newspaper or media was coming from and had more point of view journalism. That you might get a more complete journalism for instance . A You know a lot of people complain about the Washington Times yet. I would challenge. Any other newspaper in the country that reports better on. Internal Republican politics better than the Washington Times . I mean. It's where we turn to when we really want to know if there really is some infighting and the House Republican Caucus or something like that. You know. It really is some really good reporting. Because you have a case where the Republicans that are being covered . Actually feel more comfortable . And feel like they're trusting that Washington. A little bit more for incidents and so they. They get better stories and they get better . Better sources. And other primary state Cocoa Florida are you voting today. Yes I am. And who are you voting for. Oh I'm going to vote Republican and what your question is morning. I have. Yes I have a. Question for Chuck I want to know why you think that if. McBride wins over . RENO It would be an embarrassment to the Republican. I think would be just the opposite that it would be they have every be an embarrassment for the Democrats . Because I noticed that whenever there's a rape. You put the bad light on the Republican. The bad. Been rather than the Democrat. I like to have an answer why you think they would be an embarrassment to the Republican. Well. It what it is is that the Bush campaign has made an effort over the last two weeks . To attack McBride basically to try to raise McBride's negatives. Almost in a way to benefit. Janet Reno and help her . It's no good they're obviously seeing polls that show that. Jeb Bush. Would have a much easier time winning re-election if you were facing Janet. Reno Who has shown no. Sort of you know no ability to raise a lot of money and know when Bilodeau instill confidence in the Democratic base where Milburgh Bill McBride. Has been able to raise a lot of money and if he somehow slips into this. And gets this nomination Well first of all he becomes this giant killer because he beat. A former U.S. attorney general who was supposed to trounce you know he was down thirty five points. Suddenly he's going to get all this momentum and he'll get a one to two week honeymoon. That is going to hold Jeb Bush and to a new a race that no one thought he was going to have two months ago. Next does Grass Valley California California another primary state today good morning caller. Good morning . Are you voting today . And who will you be voting for. Will I don't know that you're just a free lovin hippie from here on the left coast you know you guys are all talking about Florida . That's going to be out there with those guys and that's David what happened there in the two thousand election . Anyway . I just want to make sure that we all understand out here in California. Because we do need a regime change here in America . And Bush Cheney Thompson and all the people . Just to make sure that the Californians understand better to die . On this question the. Three hundred sixty five the nays are zero. The motion is agreed to and. Without objection the motion to reconsider is laid upon the table. Pursuant to closing the tears prior announcement the chair will now put to each question on which further proceedings were postponed earlier today in the following order . On an instructor in conferees on H.R. thirty two ten the A's and nays on approving the Journal de novo . The chair will reduce to five is the time for both electronic folks . This . The UN says business is the question agreeing to the motion. To instruct on a charge thirty to ten offered by the gentleman from New York Mr For cell on which the names were ordered. We re designate the motion . Nation . It would strike. Offered by Mr Purcell on the question is on agreeing to the motion to instruct Members will record their votes by like trying to devise the houses voting on a motion to go to conference and instruct conferees on H.R. thirty two ten the terrorism risk protection act. The House passed the bill in November. The Senate passed its version in June and its motion is to instruct conferees on limiting. Insurance losses and lawsuits for acts of terrorism. The motion is agreed to and without objection a motion to reconsider is laid upon the table . But first the unfinished business is the question not agreeing to the speaker's approval of the journal. The question is on agreeing to the speaker's approval of the journal so many years are in favor say aye I suppose no and you. Can you know the chair the eyes have it for what. It's a down I'm from Michigan arise . Peter I asked for a recorded vote . A recorded vote is requested. Does favor in a recorded vote will rise . I said that number have risen a recorded vote is orders Members will record their record their votes by like trying to vices of the A five minute voting on the journal the official record of the previous day's activities and while this House vote continues. We'll take you live to today's news briefing with. Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott . Which is just getting underway. Action on the floor a few moments ago . As you know. The Senate is voting in the process of voting to go forward with . Drought assistance . No we don't we're going to need to deal with this problem there are clearly some states some sections of the country that have been hit by drought and is affecting ranchers and farmers unfortunate the boat that just occurred in the Senate was a it's just a political statement . It's an excessive amount of money six billion dollars up. Is probably not needed we need some. Clear indication of what actually is needed in my own state we've had a lot of disasters the first thing you do but instead of asking for a large figure you get experts to come in and assess exactly what do you need. And then in that process goes forward based on that there will be an effort and there will be . Assistance to those all ranchers and farmers that need assistance and out of them out. You know. We were still going to have to determine. In conference or. And some meeting between the House the Senate and a large portion of it can be offset. And a number of ways. And we need to do that because we are to the point where we already are facing deficits and. Any additional expenditures that are not offset. Wind up . Coming out of. You know Social Security or other programs and so we need to be careful about the mouth and. How it is paid for but secondly I continued to be concerned about how we wrap the session up . We don't have a budget resolution the Senate. For the first time in twenty six years. There's. no Budget in place no. Budget numbers no. Policy. No tax policy . No enforcement mechanisms. This is a huge problem. And it makes it very difficult to go forward when you have not had an agreement between the House and the Senate what the numbers are what the enforcement will be . If we don't get something done in this area we still face a very uncertain . Wild Wild West. Sort of finish. After the first of October. This afternoon . And a good portion this week obviously will be devoted to continue to work. Only Homeland Security Department. We need to make sure the president has . National security waiver authority that previous presidents have had. We need to make sure also that the focus of this new department with all the money all the agencies bureaus parts of the departments and people that will be going into it. Can actually be managed to has got to be some way to happen have some flexibility to deal with the collective bargaining problems. When there are there is a need to move people or money around to address the threat to our homeland security. This picture. Sort of sums up what the problem is. I found this picture very interesting when I first saw it and . You see the problem is the parties that are sought out by the Democrats by Senator Kennedy and later. Protect our workers. Protect our homeland . I think that was very curious. Or. It seems to me that our first priority should in fact. Be protect the life and liberty and security of the American people . Protect the American people first and then yes. We'll. We'll take a new generation of laws on the books. Rights of workers collective bargaining and all that but that should be the focus. The focus should be homeland security. Protect the American people. From the threat of terrorism . And that's their end is the problem. I'll say as I've said before . I hope this time now where we're observing and mourning and remembering the events of September eleventh. Go . That we will be forced to return to what we did right after September eleventh year ago and as fine a bipartisan solution to get this job done. And I'm I'm still hopeful that that will occur. With regard to Iraq. What we see happening here today . Is another step along the way of making sure . Members of the Senate leadership. As well as members of the Armed Services Committee the Intelligence Committee the Appropriations Committee . And I think maybe even foreign relations all I'm not sure about that are being briefed on the briefing. An hour in the way is not at all the final briefing there will be. Others with smaller groups of senators or small groups of senators. And it will continue to lay out . Information that is available from an intelligence standpoint . And as we go forward into this week and next week we'll see the president's communication. At the United Nations his speech at the United Nations. Then. I'm sure Secretary Powell will actively engage our allies . There are the leaders at the United Nations Security Council the president obviously is meeting with and talking to leaders of countries all over the world. This morning I met with the president of bull Gary and spoke after would with the foreign minister of Bulgaria . Here's a country that has been supportive . In our efforts in the war against terrorism including putting troops on into Afghanistan . There I was struggling mightily to go. You know the the remains of communism they're moving toward having a military component they're moving toward the next accession to NATO would be a part of NATO their Khana me . Has been showing improvement. There. It's very impressive what's happening on the whole part of the world and. I was assured by the foreign minister that they. They will stand with us . In doing the right thing with regard to Iraq . I think that as time goes. Forward Also there will be more and more information that will be made available to members about. What is you know . Out there and. Iraq and the biological warfare chemical the ability to deliver it or the fact that they have used chemical weapons against their own people and others in the past and . Why this is something that we must focus on now and not wait for problem. To be perpetrated on the region or even on the American people . But that process is underway. If we are dealing with a relatively short period of time to Congress is going to be in session. Probably no more than one month from this day . You know really looking at October the eleventh it's just about the latest date that we could be here and a lot of members of Congress House and Senate that are up for reelection to spend . What is certainly the right thing for them to do it has to be with their constituents the last three weeks or so before the election so. Things will have to move forward . Very aggressively in order for the Congress to be properly briefed and have hearings and. Have a debate and have a vote. Should one be necessary and I presume it will be. I'll take a question. We've got time three hundred thirty five the nays are thirty five . Present one . The general stands approved . Pursuant to closet of rule twenty The chair will postpone further proceedings today and motions to suspend. Rules on which a recorded voter the names are ordered or on which the voters objected to under Clause six of rule twenty Any record votes on postpone questions will be taken after debate has concluded on all motions to suspend the rules. Purpose does the gentleman from New Jersey rise . America speaker I move to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution H. raise five thirteen. As amended the clerk my part the title of the resolution. House Resolution five thirteen. Resolution recognizing the historical significance and timeliness of the United States. Ireland business summit . The house will be in order . The members will remove their conversations from the from the floor . Members will take their seats .

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    Pursuant to the rule the gentleman from New Jersey Mr Smith and the…

    Pursuant to the rule the gentleman from New Jersey Mr Smith and the gentlewoman from California Miss Watson.

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    Jersey Mr Smith and the gentlewoman from California Miss Watson.

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    gentlewoman from California Miss Watson. Each will control twenty minutes…

    gentlewoman from California Miss Watson. Each will control twenty minutes . The chair recognizes the gentleman from New Jersey. Thanks very much man and Speaker Boehner Speaker I as you know has consented. All members may have five legislative days to revise and extend their remarks that include.

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    that include. Extraneous material on the resolution. Under consideration.…

    that include. Extraneous material on the resolution. Under consideration. Without objection so ordered. Myself such time as I may consume . Today we bring before the House House Resolution three one five . If they recognize this is an Oracle significance. And timeliness of the United States. Ireland is this if the gentleman will suspend . The house will be in order . The gentleman may proceed . Going. Thank you. Let me just set of my colleagues here today we're bringing a very important resolution H. has five one three . That recognizes the importance the timeliness and even the historical significance of the U.S. Ireland.

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    Business Summit. Which took place last week this groundbreaking. Economic…

    Business Summit. Which took place last week this groundbreaking. Economic form. Strongly supported by the Bush administration. Brought together more than four hundred . Key government officials and successful C.E.O.'s from the United

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    successful C.E.O.'s from the United States. Ireland

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    States. Ireland . And Northern Ireland . To build upon the strong business…

    States. Ireland . And Northern Ireland . To build upon the strong business relations . Existing between our nations . And to foster

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    an even greater economic climate. That will enable

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    climate. That will enable a just and a lasting peace . To take hold

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    in Northern Ireland . We know that for so much of its history. Ireland's…

    in Northern Ireland . We know that for so much of its history. Ireland's economic progress was tragically inhibited by British colonial rule . In fact . It was pure economic conditions in Ireland that prompted millions of Irish. To emigrate

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    MR. SMITH

    Irish. To emigrate to the United States. The Irish who came to America…

    Irish. To emigrate to the United States. The Irish who came to America helped build the infrastructure. Of our great nation . They helped boost our young. Industrial economy and they played. Historic roles in the growth of our democracy . Today there are at least forty four million Americans who trace their ancestry . To Ireland . Irish Americans have leading roles in government . Business and academia. A year ago this week . We again witnessed the strengths and unselfishness of many Irish American heroes. Who gave their lives . As New York's firemen and policemen. At the World Trade Center on September eleventh. The U.S. shyre Irish. Business Summit convene last week here in Washington . Marked a new chapter in our nation's great friendship for the people of Ireland. Both North and South . The three day form. Promoted new venue is for shared prosperity . A new business partnerships especially in the areas of financial services. Communications and biotech. Next to you. Writes economic progress in Ireland. Especially in the north. Is crucial to adjust. And sustainable peace. We know that when prosperity abounds . Strife in turmoil. Are often quelled. Increase economic investment in Northern Ireland. Is especially important . Now that we work to cement the peace. And I'm sure in the new human rights protections in vision and. By the Good Friday Agreement . Despite strong support from the governments in the region. The U.S. government. And most of the people in Northern Ireland itself . Much more needs to be done . To achieve full into the implementation of the Good Friday Agreement . The United States has known for some time . That economic prosperity. So long as it is complemented by real protections in human rights . Can be a key to peace. As we have put our money where our mouth is over these many years. Since one thousand nine hundred sixty United States has contributed more than three hundred twenty million. To the International Fund for Ireland. A joint British Irish government program designed to create jobs. The fund has had a tremendous impact . Especially in the north. And the border communities where economic development and cross. Community cooperation . Have been needed the most. The private sector that I'm speaker . Can join and build upon our government's investment in peace in Northern Ireland . And I am hopeful that the US Ireland business summit will provide. Added momentum . To the success of the International Fund for Ireland . Added private investment. Will mean that more people have jobs. It will ensure that more people . Regardless of their political or religious affiliation. Can have access to job creation . And a greater. Quality of life than a speaker I would like to know that the manager's amendment. To this resolution. Contains some minor technical and grammatical changes to reflect the fact that the Irish business summit . Occurred last week. I'd like to again congratulate my colleague Mr watch . Dancer of this . For his tremendous leadership in the area . Not just of the summit but in Irish affairs in general. And I would like to reserve the balance of my time at this date on new reserves the balance was time the from gentlewoman California is recognized. Madam Speaker I rise in strong support of. H.R. five one three and the old myself as much time as I may consume. I would first like to commend . My colleague from New Jersey . Chris Smith . For his leadership on this important resolution . And Representative Jim Walsh. For introducing it . Madam Speaker for decades the people of Ireland have longed for peace and stability . And since the signing of the Good Friday Agreement of one thousand nine hundred eight. This dream is closer to reality than ever before . The Good Friday Agreement . Is a testament to the leadership abilities. Of George Mitchell and is one of the great achievements. Of President Clinton's foreign policy . But the implementation of the Good Friday Agreement . Has

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    implementation of the Good Friday Agreement . Has not been without its set…

    implementation of the Good Friday Agreement . Has not been without its set backs . And it

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    MS. WATSON

    . And it is critically important that all parties continue to push…

    . And it is critically important that all parties continue to push strongly for progress . On the political security and economic . Fronts . Madam Speaker. Just a few miles away. Business leaders from the United States . Arlen and northen Arlen met last week at the United States. Arlan business summit. And I am pleased to report . That these leaders help lay the groundwork for the economic prosperity. For Northern Ireland. Which is so critical to the peace process . This summit is focused on a generating. On generating new opportunities for business. Between the United States. Arlen and Northern Ireland . Including. Promoting foreign investment. We do seem very clear Tory barriers and increasing. Bilateral trade . Progress on these critically important issues . Can create new jobs for those unemployed and both sides of the Atlantic . And make a tangible contribution to the success of the Good Friday Agreement. I commend the leaders who participated in the summit and . Urge my colleagues to support this resolution . Madam Speaker . I reserve the balance of my time . Gentlewomen reserves the balance of such time as I may consume to this things Jennifer York in the chairman emeritus of the international ations Committee. I thank the gentleman from the gentleman from New York. Is recognized for such time as may consume. Thank you Madam Speaker and I thank the gentleman for yielding minute Madam Speaker I rise in strong support of retreads five thirteen recognizing the historical significance . And timeliness of the three day. US Ireland business summit . Which was held last week in Washington in which I was pleased to participate that business summit brought together business leaders from the Republic of Ireland. From Northern Ireland . And the United States . To discuss the importance and the advancement of our bilateral commercial ties . Across the Atlantic . And I thank the gentleman from New Jersey Mr Smith . And me gentleman from New York Mr Walsh and the gentle lady from California Miss Watson.

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    York Mr Walsh and the gentle lady from California Miss Watson.

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    MR. SMITH

    Miss Watson. For bringing the measure to the floor at this time. Our…

    Miss Watson. For bringing the measure to the floor at this time. Our special relationship and the history that our nation enjoys.

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    that our nation enjoys. With our land is reflected in the increased trade…

    that our nation enjoys. With our land is reflected in the increased trade between our two nations .

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    MR. GILMAN

    reflected in the increased trade between our two nations . Over the past…

    reflected in the increased trade between our two nations . Over the past decade. This is produced mutual benefits both for our living as well as the United States . And continues to underscore. Arc. Common values . Our traditions . And our commitment to free trade. Moreover expanding international commission links. Has underscored and reinforced the benefits of peace in Northern Ireland . And environment free of violence and fear is vital. Buttle to four string a vibrant and prosperous business community . However the hard won peace in Northern Ireland. Still remains fragile . Which is why last week's summit . Was so critical for continuing . The positive changes that have been made today . Regrettably the interface violence we saw this past summer. Demonstrates that we're not yet over all the troubles in the north. Accordingly . I want to commend our president George Bush for his strong support of this US Ireland summit. And particularly business summit chairman. SUSAN DAVIS. And the Irish American Republicans. For their leadership on this summit. Initiative. I urge my colleagues to continue our support of this worthy endeavor and I thank the gentleman for yielding. The gentleman from California . Matters. Madam Speaker . I have no further requests for time. And yield back the balance of my time . And gentleman yield back the balance of the times they only had no further requests for time to go back to bounce of our time the gentleman yields back. Yes. All time having been yelling the question is will the house bend the rules and agree to House Resolution five thirteen as amended . So many is I in favor say aye . That is opposed no anything in the chair two thirds of those present have been voted in the from in the gentlewoman from California . I have two people that have requested . Some of the time that I yelled back . By unanimous decision. Consent . Their objection. That the old backing of the time of the gentle lady vitiated. And that time be accorded to these two gentlemen who have to speak .

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    two gentlemen who have to speak . Without objection . And the

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    MS. WATSON

    gentlewoman from California reclaim her time. Gentlemen thank you for Nya…

    gentlewoman from California reclaim her time. Gentlemen thank you for Nya Thank you Madam Speaker.

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    Speaker. I would like now . To call on my

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    MR. SMITH

    . To call on my colleague . To make its presentation.

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    presentation. Mr PAINE. Thank you Kerry. The gentleman from New Jersey is…

    presentation. Mr PAINE. Thank you Kerry. The gentleman from New Jersey is recognized for two minutes . For two minutes . Thank you very much now let me thank the gentleman . For yelling Mr Smith from New Jersey who has really done such an outstanding job.

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    MS. WATSON

    Mr Smith from New Jersey who has really done such an outstanding job.

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    outstanding job. Not only in his work and Northern. In our line in general…

    outstanding job. Not only in his work and Northern. In our line in general but.

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    MS. WATSON

    Human rights throughout the world. Many people are much better off.…

    Human rights throughout the world. Many people are much better off. Because of his interest his compassion . And his tenacity and saying that. Those who have the least voice in the world are heard . Let me thank

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    in the world are heard . Let me thank

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    MR. SMITH

    the baster for this resolution and. Missed

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    him a speaker . I'm pleased to have the opportunity to have visited both…

    him a speaker . I'm pleased to have the opportunity to have visited both Arlen and Northern Ireland on several occasions .

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    MS. WATSON

    Taking satisfaction that the peace process is moving forward . I would…

    Taking satisfaction that the peace process is moving forward . I would like to reiterate my support for the goals of the U.S. . Arlin

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    summit. This summit. Designed to bring together senior level. Corporate…

    summit. This summit. Designed to bring together senior level. Corporate government and academic leaders for discussion on economic competitiveness considered important issues in the areas of Information and Communication Technology.

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    MR. PAYNE

    in the areas of Information and Communication Technology. Biotechnology…

    in the areas of Information and Communication Technology. Biotechnology and financial services in the United States and European markets . The absence of a summit on new. Public and private sector opportunities market development joint ventures in economic growth between businesses in the US Arlin in Northern Ireland is truly commendable. I salute the its promotion. Peace and shared. Governance. Under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement of one nine hundred ninety eight as well. I support the emphasis that placed on private sector leadership. And. And it's an end of a case in its leadership. The it is important for the United States to maintain close ties with all people of Ireland . And supporting mutual peace justice and prosperity. There has been however an apparent oversight and a resolution. I believe that. I would like to address at this time. Resolution failed to mention a tireless effort of special envoy Senator George Mitchell who negotiated the Good Friday Agreement . Needed that it. Remark on the dedication and commitment of former President Bill Clinton in bringing the peace process in Northern Ireland to a successful conclusion . So I'd just like to highlight that and bring attention to my colleagues of the establishment of the William J. Clinton International Peace Center . And skill and in our land. And that. Mr Larry and others who have been working so much for advocating peace. Are involved in this. And we look forward to having members of our. Congress visit that. I trust that the president to stress will continue this important effort. So that the reconciliation process does not falter and so I ask that my colleagues join me in honoring Senator Mitchell and. President Clinton for their courage. Crucial role in that they played in bringing peace to Northern Ireland. Once again I think and I yield back the balance just time especially if you California. I Mr Speaker I yield back the balance of my time. Generally years back the balance of her time. Gentleman from New Jersey. Doesn't request any further time the question is will the house spend the rules . And a greater House resolution. Five one three as amended so many as are favorable say aye. Those opposed no opinion of the chair two thirds of those present has been doing his duty as a nation . The Asian nation requested. All those in favor of taking this vote by. The years and days will rise and remain standing. Until count of. A sufficient number of having arisen the years and days that are ordered. Pursuant to Clause eight of rule twenty. And the chairs prior announcement. For the proceedings on this motion. Will be postponed. For purposes gentleman from Michigan writes just move to suspend the rules and pass the bill. S.. Twenty eight ten twenty eight ten and act to amend the communications satellite Act of one thousand and sixty two to extend the deadline for the initial public offering.

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    extend the deadline for the initial public offering.

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    MS. WATSON

    extend the deadline for the initial public offering.

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    extend the deadline for the initial public offering. Pursuant to the rule…

    extend the deadline for the initial public offering. Pursuant to the rule the gentleman from Michigan Mr Upton. And the gentleman from Massachusetts Mr Markey. Each will control. Twenty minutes the chair recognizes now the gentleman from Michigan Mr Upton.

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    MR. SMITH

    chair recognizes now the gentleman from Michigan Mr Upton.

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    Figure I would ask unanimous consent that all members may have five…

    Figure I would ask unanimous consent that all members may have five legislative days within which to revise and extend their remarks on this legislation and ensured explain its material on the bill. Without objection it is ordered. Myself. Time as I may consume gentleman from Michigan is recognized. Just figure I rise today in support of. S.. Twenty eight ten and urge swift passage of this non-controversial legislation . Prior to adjourn in August the Senate passed legislation. Twenty eight ten to extend the deadline by which it is required to conduct its I.P.O..

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    MR. SMITH

    by which it is required to conduct its I.P.O.. I can men my colleagues in…

    by which it is required to conduct its I.P.O.. I can men my colleagues in the other body . And thank

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    body . And thank

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    THE CLERK

    you thank them for addressing this important issue . Under the open market…

    you thank them for addressing this important issue . Under the open market Reorganization Act for the betterment of international telecommunications . Orbit act

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    . Intelsat is required to privatizers. And as part of that effort into to…

    . Intelsat is required to privatizers. And as part of that effort into to conduct an I.P.O. by December thirty first of this year . As detailed by the F.C.C.

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    MR. UPTON

    has made significant progress in its privatization efforts . Moreover…

    has made significant progress in its privatization efforts . Moreover Intel said has made substantial proper a chanst to conduct its statutorily mandated I.P.O..

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    However volatility in the financial markets in general and the…

    However volatility in the financial markets in general and the telecommunications sector perspective equally.

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    MR. UPTON

    financial markets in general and the telecommunications sector perspective…

    financial markets in general and the telecommunications sector perspective equally. Make this statutory deadline . Unrealistic

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    statutory deadline . Unrealistic

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    MR. UPTON

    . Indeed one is hard pressed to select a worse time for a satellite…

    . Indeed one is hard pressed to select a worse time for a satellite company I.P.O.. Equally important such an ill timed I.P.O. runs counter to one of the central policy objectives of orbit. Dilution of foreign government ownership. If this I.P.O. is forced to take place now . It is very likely that the foreign governments hold a non-strategic investments in until Sat will decide not to sell in this unattractive market. Rather they will decide to hold on to their investments until a more attractive market price is available. The end result. No foreign government dilution in the near future. Twenty eight ten would therefore give another year in which to conduct its I.P.O. . It also provides the F.C.C. authority to allow an additional extension of. time If warranted by market conditions . Congress provided medical relief last year to immerse sac and I urge all of my colleagues to support this important yet non-controversial legislation . It's just bigger I reserve the balance of my time. The gentleman from Michigan. Reserves a balance of his time the gentleman from Massachusetts is recognized Mr Mark . Thank you Mr Speaker I much I yield myself as much time . As I may consume . The legislation before us is unopposed. And I support House passage of this bill today . Mr Dingell. And all of the members of the Commerce Committee who sit on the Democratic side. This legislation simply extends to date by which . Intelsat may have an I.P.O. and offer advanced satellite services to US customers. The I.P.O.. Was put into the law to induce. Intelsat. To diversify its ownership. And vastly diminished the international governmental. Ownership and control of the organization . With all of the advantages and disadvantages . Such international governmental ownership brings a new date.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    brings a new date. For an I.P.O. will now be December thirty first two…

    brings a new date. For an I.P.O. will now be December thirty first two thousand and three . Rather

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    MR. MARKEY

    two thousand and three . Rather than the end of this year . I want to…

    two thousand and three . Rather than the end of this year . I want to commend Mr Upton for his work on this bill . Members to support the legislation . And I yield back the balance of my time gentleman from Massachusetts yield back the balance of his time the gentleman from Michigan . The speaker I have no more further requests for time in Germany of back then says I do. I do as well. John of Michigan then also years back the balance of his time the question is then will the house to spend the rules and pass the bill . Senate bill twenty eight ten so many is in favor will say I suppose no opinion of the chair . Two thirds of those present having voted in the affirmative . The rules are suspended the bill is passed about objection motion to reconsider is laid upon the table . Mr Speaker for purposes a gentleman from Michigan rise of the house suspend the rules and pass the bill H.R. thirty

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    suspend the rules and pass the bill H.R. thirty eight eighty. With an…

    suspend the rules and pass the bill H.R. thirty eight eighty. With an amendment.

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    MR. UPTON

    Clerk for union calendar number three ninety seven H.R. thirty.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    A builder provide a temporary waiver from certain transportation…

    A builder provide a temporary waiver from certain transportation conformity requirements . And metropolitan transportation planning requirements. Under the Clean Air Act and under other laws . For certain areas in New York or the planning offices and resources. Have been destroyed by acts of terrorism . And for other purposes . you Thank for sure and. To the rule the gentleman from Michigan . Mr Upton the gentleman from Virginia Beach will control twenty minutes the chair now recognizes the gentleman from Michigan Mr Upton . Thank you Mr Speaker. Today the House will consider important legislation that will help New York. Rebuild lower Manhattan . After the tragic events of September eleventh . For I briefly discussed the purpose in effect of H R thirty eight I want to thank Congressman Vito Fossella . New

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    of H R thirty eight I want to thank Congressman Vito Fossella . New

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    eight I want to thank Congressman Vito Fossella . New

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    MR. UPTON

    . New York and his fellow Energy and Commerce New York members Mr Towns Mr…

    . New York and his fellow Energy and Commerce New York members Mr Towns Mr angle . For their

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    . For their great leadership in developing this legislation and moving it…

    . For their great leadership in developing this legislation and moving it through the committee. In a very

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    THE CLERK

    developing this legislation and moving it through the committee. In a very…

    developing this legislation and moving it through the committee. In a very strong bipartisan manner . As a result of this team effort H R thirty eight he enjoys not only the support of the city and state of New York . But also the support of the Department of Transportation the Environmental Protection Agency the environmental group. Environment. Told defense. Legislation is needed because New York's transportation planning office was located in the World Trade Center and destroyed on September eleventh.

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    located in the World Trade Center and destroyed on September eleventh.…

    located in the World Trade Center and destroyed on September eleventh. Three staff members were killed and for all practical purposes . The planning offices records and complex computer models. Simply disappeared.

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    MR. UPTON

    While tragic this is not the sole reason New York needs a temporary…

    While tragic this is not the sole reason New York needs a temporary extension of the Clean Air Act transportation conformity requirements. As we all know September eleventh changed the shape of New York. Thousands and thousands of. Has it been moved to new places . Computers. Commuters now travel different routes. Complying with the transportation conformity regulations in other metropolitan planning requirements would require a full understanding of these changes in the development of a new corresponding model. Computer model. E.P.A. and D O T. All agree that this task would be impossible for New York to complete by next month. Which is New York's existing conformity deadline. Without H R thirty eight eighty one New York miss is next month's conformity deadline. Progress would seize on over four point six billion dollars worth of transportation projects . All at a time of the rebuilding of lower Manhattan. And infrastructure. Is of paramount importance . So as to avoid this untenable outcome H R thirty eighty provides a temporary three year waiver. Necessary for New York . Develop new computer models and meet the requirements of the next conformity. Planning cycle in October of two thousand and five. I know it's a dreadful committee markup of H R thirty eight eighty the bill was amended in a bipartisan manner to address specific concerns raised by environmental groups . With regard to regionally significant highway projects which now are generally prohibited . Unless they have tain emissions credits. Accordingly H R thirty eighty has been endorsed by Environmental Defense . In addition the Energy and Commerce Committee is New York delegation I wish to thank you Najee and quality Committee chairman Joe Barton from Texas the subcommittee regular member Rick Boucher. And of course ranking member of the full committee . For their bipartisan cooperation in providing this timely relief for the state of New York . I also wish to thank Chairman Don Young of the Transportation Infrastructure Committee for his cooperation with our request that the measure be considered by the full House promptly. After a full committee markup. In addition the committee's report filed on H R thirty eight eighty the committee understands that New York state is working on expanding ferry service in New York City from Westchester and Rockland Counties in an. Courage is this process to move forward . As a means of providing alternative mass transit options which help to reduce the traffic and improve the air quality of the region . And in closing I urge the House to vote for H R thirty eight eighty eight a bipartisan measure that will allow New York to continue the important task of rebuilding after the tragic events one year ago. And Mr Speaker I would ask at this point. Unanimous consent that . Managing this bill. Put my colleague from New York my friend Mr Pacelle. Without objection. For purposes gentleman from Virginia Mr Boucher arise. Mr Speaker . I ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remark of objections to order. Mr Speaker I yield myself such time as I may consume gentleman is recognized. Mr Speaker I BRIZE this morning in support of H.R. thirty eight eighty . Which will provide to the New York City metropolitan area. A temporary . And necessary waiver of Clean Air Act conformity requirements. And tells September thirty two thousand and five . And I urge approval of this measure by the house. Section one seventy six C. of the Clean Air Act requires that transportation activities. Conform to state air quality platens. Before the federal government is authorized to fund those transportation activities . The region all the mission analysis used to establish conformity subsequent. Eligibility for

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    subsequent. Eligibility for federal funding . Must be under the statutory…

    subsequent. Eligibility for federal funding . Must be under the statutory provision.

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    MR. BOUCHER

    provision. Less than three years old.

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    New York's current regional admission analysis . Will reach its

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    MR. BOUCHER

    admission analysis . Will reach its three year expiration date on October…

    admission analysis . Will reach its three year expiration date on October one two thousand and two . And then under

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    on October one two thousand and two . And then under

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    one two thousand and two . And then under the provisions of the Clean Air…

    one two thousand and two . And then under the provisions of the Clean Air Act . New York's conformity determination will lapse. Jeopardizing the area's federal transportation funding for most projects . It's estimated that the region stands to lose up to one billion dollars in federal. Transportation funding . Should a conformity lapse . Occur. The headquarters of the New York Metropolitan Transportation Council. And that's the agency that serves as the New York area's transportation planning office. Was destroyed in the attacks of September eleventh . Due to the unprecedented loss of personnel . Resources and records . It will be impossible for New York to establish a current regional admissions analysis. In order to meet the October of one two thousand and two deadline for obtaining a conformity determination. In addition to the loss at the New York Metropolitan Transportation Council headquarters . The attacks of September eleventh . Have significantly altered the distribution of jobs . And transportation patterns within the New York metropolitan area. These changes add to the in possibility of the data collection necessary. To develop an accurate regional emissions analysis . During the near term. Given these extraordinary events. It's appropriate that we take action. To provide temporary relief. To the New York City area . And the legislation before us today. Would grant a temporary waiver from the Clean Air Act transportation conformity requirements . And selected metropolitan planning requirements of T twenty one . Through September thirtieth two thousand and five. The bill received unanimous approval in the House Energy and Commerce Committee . And it is supported by the Environmental Protection Agency . And by the U.S. Department of Transportation. I urge that the house lend its approval to this necessary legislation which will assist in easing the burden faced by the New York City area . As the region continues to recover from the attacks of last September. And I want to join my friend from Michigan Mr Upton and commending Mr and Congressman Engel and Congressman Towns. For their sponsorship of this measure . Which is most appropriate and deserves approval by this house is just bigger robbery serve the balance of time gentleman from Virginia reserves of else of his time for the purposes of recognition to chair recognizes the gentleman from New York Post of a solemn moment Mr Speaker I am myself such time as I make a gentleman is recognized . Mr Speaker at the outset let me thank the gentleman from Virginia Mr Boucher. Because he has been really great in his assistance and his efforts to to bring this to the bill on the people of the city in the state of New York are grateful for your support as well as my colleague from New York Mr Rangle Mr Townsend we tried to do this really in a nonpartisan way . Because it is so critical to the future of rebuilding . New York City . And FICA Chairman Tauzin and. Chairman Barton as well as Chairman Young . For being cooperative in understanding the plight of New York. And I have a full statement that I'll submit for the record but. Just highlight I think that's been said by the gentleman from Michigan and the general from that for Ginia. That sadly. Another consequence

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    of September eleventh was the fact that New York City almost was destroyed…

    of September eleventh was the fact that New York City almost was destroyed . The loss of life was tragic . But in addition . The infrastructure was destroyed . Many members

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    MR. FOSSELLA

    was destroyed . Many members were from both the House and the other body…

    was destroyed . Many members were from both the House and the other body going New York on Friday . And

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    the House and the other body going New York on Friday . And

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    MR. FOSSELLA

    . And saw what was once the World Trade Center . And so underneath. What…

    . And saw what was once the World Trade Center . And so underneath. What was once the PATH station. PATH train . Or the one of the nine subway line. Or so many of the buses that really into we for out downtown New York . So for all intents and purposes . Things have changed in New York and New York was which was required to comply with the Clean Air Act . As of October first . Now the infrastructure is changed . The modeling. Of that to evaluate that infrastructure has changed in the analysis therefore. That was required . Has changed so all bets are off . In addition. And this is the saddest obviously some employees. Lost their life in that attack . So we have a combination of tragedies that brings us to this point . And that essentially is the great New York City New York State temporary relief . Under the Clean Air Act without that . Upwards of four to five billion dollars. Some of the estimates range . But the reality is that. It's hard and it's REAL those federal dollars that. That fun. Needed federal projects will stop . So will bring to stop the rebuilding efforts of New York City that of move wonderfully in the last year . It will mean so many jobs will be put at risk . Upwards of two hundred thousand jobs direct and indirectly related to the rebuilding of New York City and. Underscores I think what we all want to do. And that is to improve the quality of our air . And the emissions surrounding New York City. But understand that this is a commonsense approach to a terrible accident that happened . So I want to commend all those who recognize this necessary. Really legislation. Thank all those on the staff that brought us here. And would hope. Well time is of the essence. That the other body now would join hands with us and give New York. Really want to meet with that a year back about so my time. I mean I resent those from New York reserves the balance of his time gentleman from Virginia. Mr Speaker at this time. Pleased to yield five minutes to one of the sponsors of this measure. The gentleman from New York Mr Engel . Jennifer York is recognized for five minutes . Thank you Mr Speaker and I thank the gentleman from Virginia for yielding to May . Mr Speaker the Energy and Commerce Committee . Has worked in a truly bipartisan fashion . To bring this legislation. To the full House today . The three of us . On the committee. That represent. New York City. Myself Mr Towns in midst of a seller. I have all worked very closely with the leadership of the committee to. Put this before . Our colleagues. Helping New York . Has been something that has been done in a bipartisan fashion . Since the tragic events of last September eleventh . And this of course is part and parcel of that. New York City was hit and not because it was some random place that was picked up because New York. Is a

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    and not because it was some random place that was picked up because New…

    and not because it was some random place that was picked up because New York. Is a

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    symbol of what this country is a symbol . And that's why. When New York…

    symbol of what this country is a symbol . And that's why. When New York was hit.

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    Everyone responded. Because everyone understands that New York. Is

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    understands that New York. Is a symbol of our great country . As you know…

    understands that New York. Is a symbol of our great country . As you know and was mentioned by my colleagues . New York is facing a conformity lapse of October first of this year. H R three eight zero will grant a temporary limited waiver for New York's Clean Air Act And for many. Requirements . Mr Speaker if the New York Metropolitan Transportation Council. Is the main agency that conducts the regional. Emissions analysis for New York. As my colleague Mr Pacelle and just mention the and why he see offices were on the eighty second floor. Of World Trade Center tower one. And we're just drawing in the attacks of September eleventh. These three staff members are still missing and presumed dead . And all the vital data. And institutional knowledge of the staff. Were lost on that fateful day . As such it is impossible for New York to meet its conformity requirements. I want to stress that without this waiver. New York will lapse out of conformity in less than a month. And many vital transportation projects . Will be halted. Which threatens to cripple the region. At a time when it is still struggling to recover. The Clean Air Act sets. Strict air quality standards . To ensure that metropolitan areas. Remain at safe. Air quality levels. The Clean Air Act is vital to the health and welfare of residents across the country. That's why I have worked very hard to balance the need for the legislation. With the best. Interests. Of my fellow New Yorkers . And the environmental community as well. I have similarly been working to promote better and less polluting transportation. So out the New York metropolitan area . And it's coordinated closely with Governor Pataki. On this matter . And July twenty second two thousand and two . I wrote to the Governator urged his support for expanded . Ferry service . From Rockland County. To Manhattan and Westchester County. To Manhattan. And I'm pleased to announce that the governor has responded favorably to my request and is assured me that he will make clean air transportation projects such as these a priority. I want to also mention that in discussions with the chairman of our committee Chairman Tauzin . We were supposed to have a report language about the ferry service. From rotten in Westchester County is in the bill . And through an oversight it was it omitted . But I want to assure my colleagues that the chairman of the committee and others on the committee in a bipartisan fashion. Have assured me that they will work with us. To make this ferry service a reality . There are provisions in the legislation that require New York. To reports of the Energy and Commerce Committee. E.P.A. and D.O.T.. On the air quality during the waiver period. These reports will allow us to monitor New York's progress. To get back into conformity . By the year two thousand and five. I'm pleased that this legislation . Has the support of the Environmental Defense Fund . And the Environmental Defense community . And I will continue to work with them. And Governor Pataki to ensure that air quality standards. Will be of the utmost priority . During the waiver period . Mr Speaker it's truly fitting that the House of Representatives . Is considering this legislation today. It will be a year tomorrow. Since the terrorist attacks in this great body has shown a solidarity with New York. In fact it's fifty two weeks. Today. To this very day that the tragedy happened . And it's important that the Congress continue its commitment. To see us through as we continue our recovery in New York. I was pleased to be with my colleagues. I just last Friday. When we had the special session. In New York. I want to thank in conclusion. The chairman and ranking member of the Energy and Commerce Committee. Mr Townsend Mr Dingell. For all of their hard work on this issue. And I urge my colleagues . To support this much needed. Legislation. And I yield back the balance of gentleman from New York yields back to balance of his time. Snowmen from New York which of the sell any further speakers . This time. Mr Speaker I reserve judgment for genius . Mr Speaker we have no further . Requests for time on this. And if the gentleman from New York is prepared to yield back we are as well. Gentleman from Virginia then yields back the balance of his time gentleman from New York. Yes and. Let me just. Yield myself. Mr Speaker such time as it may consume to think. From the committee. Joe Stanko Michael goo as well as from Governor Pataki his office and the mayor's office of the city of New York . Was during all Mr Towns. German toes and. Mr Dingell. Mr Barton and of course Mr Boucher. And from my staff. Julie Walker who is really worth a lot. And very hard on numbering in this to the floor. And know it as well if it has been noted that the. Fourteen affiliated. Building in trade union.

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    Support this bill and I have a letter had been asked to submit for the…

    Support this bill and I have a letter had been asked to submit for the record from the Environmental Defense Fund. And asked. Also

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    that. I ask unanimous consent that all members have five legislative days…

    that. I ask unanimous consent that all members have five legislative days . Within which to

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    five legislative days . Within which to

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    revise and extend the remarks on this legislation or objection to…

    revise and extend the remarks on this legislation or objection to asserting extraneous material on the bill. What that you back to balance my objection the gentleman yield back the balance of his time . The question then

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    . The question then is will the house suspend the rules and pass a bill…

    . The question then is will the house suspend the rules and pass a bill H.R. thirty eight eighty. As

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    amended so many as in favor will say I don't suppose they know in the…

    amended so many as in favor will say I don't suppose they know in the opinion of the chair two thirds of those. Having voted in the affirmative . The rules are suspended the bills passed with the speaker. John from New York . Then I demand . The Asian Age I requested. All those in favor of taking this vote by yeas and nays will rise and remain standing until counted. Count having been finished in sufficient number having arisen the A's and nays are ordered. Pursuant to Clause eight of rule twenty in the chairs prior announcement today further proceedings on this motion . Will be postponed. For purposes gentleman from New York Rice was a speaker I move that the house suspend the rules and pass the bill on the rez. Three twenty with an amendment. The clerk will report the title of the country and resolution house concurrent resolution three twenty concurrent resolution expressing the sense of Congress regarding scleroderma.

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    expressing the sense of Congress regarding scleroderma. Pursuant to the…

    expressing the sense of Congress regarding scleroderma. Pursuant to the rule the gentleman from New York is to sell and the gentleman from Ohio Mr Brown. Each will control twenty minutes . At this time The chair recognizes the gentleman from New York is to sell. Thank you Mr Speaker I ask unanimous consent that all members be of five legislative days with which to revise and extend their remarks on this legislation is too absurd. And should

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    revise and extend their remarks on this legislation is too absurd. And…

    revise and extend their remarks on this legislation is too absurd. And should

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    revise and extend their remarks on this legislation is too absurd. And…

    revise and extend their remarks on this legislation is too absurd. And should honest material on the bill. Without objection sort to speak by you myself such time as I may consume gentlemen from New York is recognized Thank you Mr Speaker. I'm pleased that the House is considering today age Congress three twenty . Introduced by Representative. Luis Gutierrez . To raise awareness about a terrible disease can rez three twenty was reported favorably by the Energy and Commerce Committee last week. And I

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    encourage my colleagues to express their support for the resolution on the…

    encourage my colleagues to express their support for the resolution on the floor today . Over one hundred thousand Americans are affected by scleroderma.

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    Americans are affected by scleroderma.

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    THE CLERK

    A chronic connective tissue disease that is debilitating and potentially…

    A chronic connective tissue disease that is debilitating and potentially fatal. Scleroderma is actually a symptom of a group of rare diseases that involve the normal growth of connective tissue.

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    rare diseases that involve the normal growth of connective tissue.…

    rare diseases that involve the normal growth of connective tissue. Scleroderma is derived from the Greek word sclerosis. Literary meaning hard skin. Symptoms of which include hardening and thickening of the skin swelling. Disfigurement

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    thickening of the skin swelling. Disfigurement of the hands weight loss .…

    thickening of the skin swelling. Disfigurement of the hands weight loss . Joint pain and difficulty in swallowing as well as the strain fatigue . With this wide range of symptoms.

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    Scleroderma is often. Is often difficult to diagnose.

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    to diagnose. For some patients these diseases cause hard tight skin for…

    to diagnose. For some patients these diseases cause hard tight skin for others the problem is much graver.

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    these diseases cause hard tight skin for others the problem is much graver.

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    skin for others the problem is much graver. Affecting blood vessels and…

    skin for others the problem is much graver. Affecting blood vessels and internal organs. Organs like the heart lungs and kidneys are doing effects people of all races and ethnic groups groups men women and children. For some Americans affected by Squire a donor recovery comes with time . For many others there is no. Treatment that controls or stops the progression effect of work . Well scientists that the National Institute of arthritis and must. Musculoskeletal in disease. Skin disease and others across the country continue to learn more about scleroderma. Unfortunately they do not know exactly what causes it. And there is still no cure. The resolution. Before us today recognizes the work of private organizations and health care providers. To raise awareness about scleroderma. And encourages Americans to learn more about the resolution encourages the National Institutes of Health to continue to play a leadership role. In discovering new treatments and disseminating information . Learn from their research. Finally the resolution encourages the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. To consider how to improve disease surveillance . For auto immune diseases including . School or adornment. I encourage my colleagues to support the resolution . And with that Mr Speaker I reserve the balance of my time for me York reserves belts of time gentleman from Ohio . Mr Speaker I yield myself two minutes. Gentleman is recognized for two minutes. Thank you were considering an important resolution today sponsored by my colleague from Illinois . Mr Gutierrez. Pleased to be a co-sponsor of this legislation. Which is intended to raise the profile of scleroderma a debilitating autoimmune disease that affects. Around a third of a million Americans every year. Diagnosis can be difficult in the early stages . Many symptoms of scleroderma are common to or may overlap those and other diseases . And the disease is highly individualized while scleroderma . Can show mild symptoms and some. It also can deliver more . Life threatening prognosis and others . Scleroderma can show symptoms on the surfaces in a skin rash or disguise itself by affecting the organs. The muscles or blood vessels. Diagnosis can require const consultation with rheumatologists and dermatologists in addition to blood studies. And

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    with rheumatologists and dermatologists in addition to blood studies. And

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    blood studies. And specialized tasks depending.

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    Upon which organs are actually a factor. There Jane

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    factor. There Jane Commerce Committee last week passed this resolution…

    factor. There Jane Commerce Committee last week passed this resolution unanimously I'd urge my colleagues to support it. And I I you know I reserve the balance my gentleman from Ohio is Richard Belzer of his time. Come in for York any further speakers. Of this time joining us on high only for the speech I yield back to the house gentleman from Ohio then yields back the balance of this time gentleman from New York. To speak at this point to go back to those in my time challenge New York. Also yields back the balance of his time the question then is will the house suspend the rules and agree to house Concord resolution. Three twenty. As amended. So many as are in favor will say aye so many of Suppose we know the opinion of the chair two thirds of those present having voted in the affirmative . Gentleman from New York. And that I demand the isn't that the Asian names are requested all those in favor of taking this vote by yeas and nays will rise and remain standing until counted . A sufficient number having arisen. The Asian Age are ordered pursuant to Clause eight of rule twenty in the chairs prior announcement further proceedings on this motion . Will be postponed . Debate has concluded on all motions to suspend the rules .

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    . This afternoon pursuant to Clause eight of rule twenty The chair will…

    . This afternoon pursuant to Clause eight of rule twenty The chair will now put the question on motions to suspend the rules . On which proceeding feature put further proceedings were postponed earlier today votes will be taken in the following . Order.

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    were postponed earlier today votes will be taken in the following . Order.

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    H. read as five thirteen The Asian Age. H.R. thirty eight eighty years and…

    H. read as five thirteen The Asian Age. H.R. thirty eight eighty years and nays an H. Conrads three twenty the chair will also reduce to five minutes the time. For any electronic vote after the first such photo. In this series . The unfinished business then is the vote on the motion of the gentleman from New Jersey Mr Smith. To

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    suspend the rules. And agree to House Resolution. Five one three as…

    suspend the rules. And agree to House Resolution. Five one three as amended on which the Asian nation ordered the clerk will not report the title of the resolution. House Resolution five thirteen resolution recognizing the historical significance and timeliness of the United States Ireland business summit . The question is with the house to spend the rules and agree to the resolution as amended those in favor will vote. And those opposed . Will vote no . Members will record their votes by electronic device . So the House now

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    . So the House now voting on House Resolution five thirteen which…

    . So the House now voting on House Resolution five thirteen which recognizes the significance of the U.S. Ireland business summit.

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    Which was held in Washington D.C. last week . During this vote. And you…

    Which was held in Washington D.C. last week . During this vote. And you have a look at a statement from this morning's Washington Journal of primary elections are taking place in a dozens of states voters are selecting candidates from for governor . House and Senate. And this morning in our Washington Journal program we talk with editors at The Hotline political news service . Politics. And over at the hotline this morning we have checked out in van drivers joining us good morning gentleman. Morning Conny day and politics. Area. Yes ma'am . How many. Is it eleven twelve how many of you. If we can do a final. Well it's twelve states but there's a level one holding primaries and one's holding a runoff Georgia there's a couple of run offs that there that they're finishing up today so that's why there's this. Eleven states versus twelve states. Plus the District of Columbia so that makes a third teen state and territory. OK so I want to start by asking you each a question . And they're going to start with Chuck and Chuck ask you first . For the Republicans. What would be the most embarrassing and devastating loss today. The most embarrassing and devastating loss look at you you set that up. Probably you know that . It's not necessarily there's one that's devastating are embarrassing at this point in me you know that some people might think New Hampshire because of an incumbent senator losing or Johnson in a losing. But that's not become an embarrassment anymore . There's been a lot of some people might have thought. Bill McBride beating Janet Reno would be an embarrassment to the Republicans in Florida . But it's hard to call. Claire quantify that as an embarrassment . Either one of my gets a little bit Dole. If she somehow lost her primary today . That would be a tremendous embarrassment but we're not. That's a highly unlikely . And Danvers what about for the Democrats. Well for the Democrats . Still ahead same thing in North Carolina where Erskine Bowles has a little bit more of a chance of losing that primary. To Dan Blue . Probably is going to is going to get out of that OK although we're hearing the weather is not great down there which might suppress a little bit or turn off. I think one of the bigger embarrassments mostly that. The ripped. Democrats are hoping for certain Republicans to win they'd like to see Bob Smith win and that the New Hampshire Senate race. One of the bay. Bigger embarrassments it is potentially out there for Democrats is. Today is in the New York governor's race where. Andrew Cuomo dropped out of the race last week he's done. But his name is still on the ballot and if for some reason . He were to make a good showing on the ballot . That might be a little bit of embarrassment to Carl McCall the comptroller who's basically got that primary wrapped up but they're still voting on it today . CUOMO still on the ballot there might be a little bit of an embarrassment. There in New York for Democrats. Our phone lines are open if you'd like to join us today we're talking about some of these primary races across the country. And if you would like to talk with Chuck Todd evolvers usually just have a chance to listen this time you have a chance to ask them questions . We're talking about all of these primaries across the country and their importance . Gentleman. OK This all happened . The day before September eleventh is there any impact of this commemoration tomorrow. And the speech on Thursday and everything that's going on this week and worldwide politics to these. To these primaries to some I think one of the impacts is the lack of coverage of the last remaining days of this campaign is getting. It's weird here we have the biggest primary day of the year . And you have this. The national press corps. Is completely now . Ignoring these . These primaries . By and large. Now they did some pieces Friday and Saturday and a couple on Sunday . But then papers got completely turned over to nine eleven. Remembrances starting yesterday in the papers and of course all the front pages today. And so there's sort of this weird split so there's a . There is sort of a lack of coverage. There's a lack of coverage . Lead to lower turnout. Those. Patriot to the you know there's something a lot like to think that that somehow nine eleven is going to spark . Of voter interest we haven't seen it yet . And it's unlikely we're going to see it today. Yeah I think it did I think Chuck's . Right and I think that in primaries in general you've got your core base of parties. Turning out to vote in. Races where there's a contested Democratic primary. Not a Republican one you're going to have more Democrats come out to vote because they have something to hope for . I think that you're still. And I have . The core of those . You may have a slight drop but we've seen that across the board this time as well I think one of the issues that we picked up on a little bit this morning. Is that you might have some ballot problems again this time . Florida of course. Voting. Very close to a Democratic primary potentially there and. They're testing out their new touch screen. Ballots this time around . They've already gone through some some. Absentee ballot counting and in Palm Beach County where there are a lot of problems last time around. They . They have thrown out already some two hundred absentee ballots. Because of mistakes people not signing their ballots. People marking them wrong. In New Hampshire today. There's actually going to be three ballots handed out . That is going to be fairly confusing. Because of the redistricting process . You can have a ballot for your major races about for your say Why gracious. About your local races I believe three different ballots. Three different boxes to put your Boughton. Could get a little confusing the. Officials up there keeping their fingers crossed. So we'll see if we have any more. In terms of that nature that we saw in two thousand and eight say that at this point in time . This far away from the two thousand election. Are we nationwide in any of these primary states anywhere closer to some kind of an across the board voting process . I don't think so there's a lot of calls for for a nationwide reform. System but when you look at it state by state those are the the statewide. People like to have control of their election process probably not a bad idea for that to happen . But I think what you have seen is a lot more updating of the voting equipment like we're going to see in Florida we'll see how that works out today . The touch screen . Seems to be of the sort of fad of the moment. Is seem to be a little bit more people feel more comfortable with that system and. You know we'll see what happens but you see that all across the country I think . And you meet these gentlemen and or you see them and hear them. Several times a week here on the Washington Journal we want to give you not. Eternity to actually get involved with them on this day of the primaries across the country and also to get to know them a little bit better. Let me introduce your first to Chuck Todd. Chuck Todd has been with hot light now. You're both of your BIOS here say that you've been with hotline. On and off since one nine hundred ninety two do that every week every time you leave they just bring you back. And both of you have done that. You know checked out has been editor in chief since last year . And he started at hotline as an intern. And then has been the managing editor also the political editor. And the editor. He has worked for Sports Business Daily. And his past in one thousand nine hundred forty one thousand nine hundred five worked on some initiative campaigns in Florida. And also worked on a presidential run which one it was Tom Harkin's presidential race in one thousand nine hundred one was supposed to be the ninety two race but of course . It basically ended more ninety one than it did ninety two. Checked out so rigid hometown is Miami Florida and he has a degree from George Washington University in political science and did you bring the French Horn This morning I understand your you know do French or in any war. I'm not as much as I wish I do wish I did but you actually have a degree in music. It's so it turned into the minor and . I I got lazy at the end and was starting to work too much . After go west to find the hometown of on Verviers it's. Is similar. Is that right similar Colorado place that that's about forty miles east of Colorado Springs right on Highway twenty four between. Colorado Springs and alignment on the way out to the you have to the eastern plains of the state . Convers attended the University of Colorado he has been again with The Hotline. On and off Forces nine hundred ninety two. And as also works for Fox News as an associate producer for Fox News. Fox News Sunday and is a producer for Fox News he was also on the C.B.S. News election unit as an associate producer and research and. Hotline staff writer sociate editor in the early ninety's. And electronic media editor in one nine hundred ninety eight . OK gentlemen it's time for some. Phone calls but first of all . Which is the. Which is the primary to watch today. Why I think obviously the Florida primary is the one to watch it's the one with the most to mean not be the most exciting it may be the END UP. We know the answer already and Bill McBride might continue his search through there . But it really has all the story lines involved and you've got Florida. From two thousand that the election the closely contested election there for the presidency. He's got a. BUSH BROTHER There is Janet Reno can somehow get this out him he ends up winning that. Nomination you've got the Clinton factor there is going to above sort of a polarizing of lightning rod from the Clinton administration. You know that to me is the one that has all the elements now whether it's going to be the best race. That's another . That's another question . What's your favorite state that. Well you got to. I like New Hampshire. Simply because in this one little state. It compas is. Everything and more about this battle for two thousand and two the battle for control of the Senate . Being decided between you know Sununu and Smith. The whole reason for Sununu is primary challenger Smith was Who's got the ability to actually beat. Jeanne Shaheen the Democratic governor there. In that . In that race and of course a lot of people think Sununu has a better chance than Smith. Then you've got an Open House race in the. New Hampshire's first district that's a seat that Johnson is vacating. That's a swing district. Democrats have to pick up a district like this if they're going to try to win back the House. You also have a Democratic primary in their Hampshire second congressional district. Another sort of a tear to target of Democrats they'd like to think they could knock off Charlie Bass a Republican member there. Of course they've thought that they could not Gov Charlie Bass for the last two or three election cycles. And then the governor's race there is just wild and it's actually the one that drive. It's driving turnout New Hampshire you know. In Washington we're so focused on the battle for the Senate in the house. But the governor's race up there you got a millionaire businessman. Craig Benson who is broke. Every spending record. Known to man of their New Hampshire. And yet . As of this morning. You can't find anybody who actually believes in. Craig Manson. Or the former senator there was in that race Gordon Humphries going to when all the sudden now everybody thinks the guy and that was in third place all along that Bruce Keough is going to be the one that ends up with this nomination simply because the two Benson and Humphrey been beating each other up. The Dead. That all the all the votes are going to go to the. The one guy that hasn't been as negative so we've seen that happen in primaries in the past. One earlier this year in South Dakota. So your Hampshire's. Could be a very late night New Hampshire lot of close races. First call is from more North Carolina North Carolina as a primary today hello Warren County . And I my question is. To both of them. Don't they believe that a free press and unbiased . Nonpartisan media is one of the most important resources in our democracy to day . Because that helps the people. Sure that the people are informed and they can make an educated decision . And what's your point in all of that well we don't . Because there have been a lot of stories about recount a confederate covered up jet to his involvement and the Broward high winds and moans being covered up . Do your day and I'll fill up your day and out of Connecticut who ran against Lieberman is there with two small children thing covered up. And you know if they were Democrat. They'd be screaming about it on Tokyo soon and I guess people are not being informed and how do you know about these things. I know about him because I read about him on the Internet. On the Internet yeah. And you believe that everything they read on the i like I don't believe a lot of things I read here but I checked. And I check and I check. And when you get. This is definitely true about the ledger and your Danno. It's also definitely true about Jeb Bush in Broward . Citing that alone. Chuck Chuck lost. It's all you know we this is a. This is a brat actually come play that check and I've been covering the coverage or column for about eight years . Each and . It's a complaint that we've heard throughout. The years . Really coming from both sides. I you have every. You have the you have both wings of the political spectrum . Making these kinds of claims and I think that that right there goes to kind of prove that have we really that. There is a pretty balanced media. In the country. I don't think that it will be there's any kind of a swing once or the other. In terms of the coverage and . You know just as a point of balance here at the hotline you mentioned that Chuck had worked for Tom Harkin's presidential campaign and his ninety two race and I actually worked for Pat Buchanan's presidential race in one thousand nine hundred two. So we come at this from a sort of opposite ends of our experience and. I you know we we . We've managed to keep an excellent balance your thought life what we've been able to do really is just celebrate the joy of politics and that's what we have in common that's where were we all do here. You know Conny without in danger in this discussion slipping totally into. Bias in journalism Dan and I debate all the time. I actually sometimes wonder if a biased. Journalism. A partisan journalism would be better . And would be a way to actually keep us better informed if you knew exactly the point of view. That a newspaper or media was coming from and had more point of view journalism. That you might get a more complete journalism for instance a you know a lot of people complain about the Washington Times yet. I would challenge . Any other newspaper in the country that reports better on. Internal Republican politics better than the Washington Times . I mean. It's where we turn to when we really want to know if there really is some infighting in the and the House Republican Caucus or something like that. You know. It really is some really good reporting . Because you have a case where the Republicans that are being covered. Actually feel more comfortable . And feel like they're trusting their washing times. A little bit more for incidents and so they. They get better stories and they get better . Better sources. You know their primary state Cocoa Florida are you voting today. Yes I am . And who are you voting for . So I'm going to vote Republican. And what's your question this morning. I have. Yes I have a question for Chuck I want to know why. I think that if. McBride winds over. RENO It would be an embarrassment to the Republicans. I think would be just the opposite that it would be they have to have it be an embarrassment for the Democrats . Because I noticed that whenever there is a raid. It put the bad light on the Republican the bad. Then rather than the Democrats . And I can have an answer why you think it would be an embarrassment to the Republican. Well it what it is that the Bush campaign has made an effort over the last two weeks. To attack McBride basically to try to raise McBride's negatives. Almost in a way to benefit. Janet Reno and help her. It's no good they're obviously seeing polls that show that. Jeb Bush. Would have a much easier time winning reelection if you were facing Janet Reno. Who has shown no. Sort of. You know no ability to raise a lot of money and know when Bilodeau instill confidence in the Democratic base where MIL The Bill McBride has been able to raise a lot of money and if he somehow slips into this . And gets this nomination Well first of all he becomes this giant killer because he beat. A former U.S. attorney general who was supposed to trounce you know he was down thirty five points. Suddenly he's going to get all this momentum and he'll get a one to two week honeymoon . That is going to hold Jeb Bush and to a new a race that no one thought he was going to have two months ago. Next is Grass Valley California California another primary state today good morning collar. Good morning. Are you voting today . Yes . And who will you be voting for or will I don't know the truth . I'm just a free lovin hippie from out here on the left coast you know you guys are all talking about Florida . That's going to be out there with those guys in that state what happened there in the two thousand election. Anyway . I just want to make sure that we all understand out here in California we can't let him hear. Of the Bush people in out here on the web . Because we do need a regime change here in America all through and. Bush Cheney. Although you know there are people who did make sure that the Californians understand there we can't let it get bigger. We want to thank you for darn sure what's at stake gentlemen in California voters actually know nothing today . There's been no primaries there today we got Arizona out there and out west and Washington state . Course in California that . Actually the big buzz is. You know. Beginning. Yesterday I believe. And closing on October twenty second is the time for for candidates to officially file as write in candidates. If they want their ballots chosen well there's all this buzz . Be over a poll last week which showed Richard Riordan. The former mayor of Los Angeles who got ousted in the governor primaries. Would actually do better against Gray Davis than Bill Simon So there's some talk. In sort of a moderate or liberal Republican circles out there in Southern California. They'd love to see Riordan. File officially as a write in candidate and see if they can somehow stun grade as if you were if you read the polls out in California the been taken over . Really over the entire summer over the entire year. I think they deployed the regime change that people are looking for is in California. They just don't like the alternatives. That we've not seen the. race Maybe ever. Where both candidates are so sort of. Universally unpopular. I've got Gray Davis. Continues to hold lead commanding . Because the alternative . To California voters just isn't powerful enough. So is there a prime star AG because I had misunderstood there is no primary today in California and. Right now no primary didn't go. And there is. Is there any primary. As. Had they had one will they have one date they had their primary there one of these early primary states really got in there in March and they may end up moving in June but they had it. They had a very early primary. They're the ones that kept. They kept us going because they're filing deadline was back in. Last year in two thousand and one so it. It always kept the showing. We kept being able to tell our staff see the two thousand and two election cycle starts right now and I got to start in two thousand and one for our purposes in Auburn New York thank you go ahead go ahead. Good morning I work. We've got a congressional race up. They did. Really interesting I think Surewood board. Was probably the most liberal member of the Republican the evil twin the Democrats all the time is running against Dr Wallraff who is a real strong conservative . It's weird because he's talking about newspaper did earlier. It's no secret about our newspapers they're all very pro democratic pro-labor left here. And they're all supporting the war. Democrat liberal and . So are all the Republican. They just add in all the Democrats . The only one trying to the whole district . Supporting border and Democrat property. But yet the average. Regular boater. They all seem to be for water granted what do you guys see happening here. You know it's interesting in New York today is because there is a primary of significance . That is going to drive up. Potentially drive up conservative turnout and that's this battle for the Independence Party slop between. George Pataki. And this billionaire businessman from upstate New York Tom Golisano. So it is going to drive up. A potentially drive up this conservative turnout. Granted they might be picking the Independence Party ballot or not and it could very much help of conservative challenger . Knock off a minor public sure what Boehlert is a very very moderate liberal Republican depending on how you want to describe them that they call is actually right Democrats. Always very supportive of them probably Democrats secretly would like to see the conservative when so they can get a Democratic candidate to win and I just like sort of a guy . Distinction but the caller was talking about in terms of the media being liberal supporting a candidate . There is a difference and. In newspapers . Between their editorial pages . And their news coverage or at least. They're supposed to be. And generally we find that to be the case . The editorial pages are there to offer opinions to offer their. What they believe is the correct course for their vocality. News reporters are there to cover the news as journalists. So it's no it's no secret that. A lot of editorial pages have taken early in New York. And then the Northeast. Would be tend to be a little bit more. Whole to Democratic liberal. Whereas at a propane just in the West. The South. Might that tend to be a little bit more conservative very reflective of the population a voting that. Southgate Michigan. Good morning everyone a county I just had one little quick comment. First I really don't like those divisions the Bush supporters Bush opponent . That he's the end of that in the last couple of weeks. I don't get up every day at that one and I don't . If you're beginning to. So I don't know if anyone else commented on it that they I do not know whether the people have commented on it or not but thank you for your comment . Anyway. In one version. I am a political junkie . I really enjoy the left gate. That you guys give during the Washington Journal. And find I have a little bone to pick with you. I think that your party in here. Is kind of. It comes through in your reporting and . You know where we're all entitled to our party proclivities but. Yours I think you're a little stronger in for some pretty thing you've got a really bad thing for Janet Reno you don't like or do you know I don't have an opinion on Janet Reno one way or the other really I'd love that race . And she's our three hundred seventy two the nature zero two thirds of those voted in the affirmative the rules are suspended the resolution is agreed to. Without objection the motion to reconsider is laid upon the table . Pursuant to me twenty . The chair will reduce to five minutes the minimum. Time for electronic voting on each additional motion. To suspend the rules on which the chair has postponed . These further proceedings. The unfinished business now is a vote on the motion of the gentleman from Michigan Mr Upton suspend the rules and pass H.R. thirty eight . eighty As amended. I was the agent Naser order the clerk will report the title the bill please. They charge thirty eight eighty a builder provide a temporary waiver from certain transportation conformity requirements and metropolitan transportation planning requirements under the Clean Air Act and under other laws. For certain areas in New York where the planning offices and resources. Have been destroyed by acts of terrorism . And for other purposes . The question is will the house or spend the rules and pass the bill as amended the reason Favre will vote out of those opposed to vote no the members . Will record their votes by electronic device is a five minute vote. The second of three votes in this round H.R. thirty eight eighty gives New York City. Another three years to file certain Clean Air Act reports. As reports are required for New York City to get some types of federal funds the local agency the files the report. Was located in the World Trade Center. That was destroyed a year ago tomorrow. New York City could lose about a billion dollars in federal money if the extension is not granted . So during this vote we're going to go back to this morning's Washington Journal in the editors at the online political news service hotline Vaughn Berbers. And Chuck Todd they are taking viewer questions. Michigan. Good morning and warning . To any I just had one little quick comment for. I really don't like the old. Division of Bush supporters English upon it that he would stand in the gap in the last couple of weeks. I don't get up every day at that one and why they don't. If you're beginning to I don't know if anyone else . The candidate I'm going to get. they I I I do not know whether the people have commented on it or not but thank you for your comment. Anyway. Back in one verb. I am a political junkie. I really enjoyed in a lot of states that you guys. Give joining the Washington Journal. And find I have a little bone to pick with you. I think that your party in here. Is kind of . If it comes through in your reporting and . You know where we're all entitled to our party. Proclivity. But yours I think you're a little stronger in for some pretty thing you. You've got a really bad thing for Janet Reno you don't like her and you you know I don't have an opinion on Janet Reno one way or the other really I love that race . As from a political perspective . From our perspective here in the hotline it would be a much better race with her Emmett's. I it's amazing. For political freshness to observe that contest and see Janet Reno who had a thirty point lead . A month and a half ago . I've now struggling really for her existence there . I think if you go back. Again from our political lives . Professional standpoint . To go back and look at the way she's run her campaign . She's been a lot of time out of state at the very beginning . She had some prior commitments. Which is understandable out that she traveled around the country a lot. She didn't spend a lot of time. In the state of Florida where she was running for governor . Bill McBride It's been an awful lot of time courting Democratic leadership . There he got that early support from many of the unions in the party regulars . And that's really been the difference for him he's really managed to turn that around . Whereas Reno seemed to sort of almost rely on her or her name recognition . To get by and get this nomination and spend a lot of money to run a very untraditional campaign that she's a very untraditional candidate shell because she'll be the first one to admit that. But you know Lee Atwater used to have a saying about the hotline which was that. I you know. Things are going bad for you if you're a Republican you don't enjoy reading the hotline things are going good for you when you do enjoy reading that. I would take a lot of pride here . In putting that product out every day and sometimes. It's bad news for Democrats and sometimes bad news for Republicans . We just were just the mirror that we hold up to the political process here. Decatur Illinois. Hello hello . I only have a couple of home and family . Died in the Republican from the Midwest . And I enjoy seeing different opinions . But. I'm so glad that we have a president that I can believe in and support. I can't tell you how relieved I was when he would like it. And I would hope that all the Republicans that are listening would get on the bandwagon and stay there . Thank you Diana Washington. I want to you're on the air sir go ahead. Oh sorry. Oh I would. Love peace and. I watch every morning . I do have a little bit of a complaint with the truth here I do feel there a little biased. Very conservative and. For channel I love a program I love so much I'm kind of concerned about how such a plan could be too and you did you think you think that the two of them are too conservative. Yes. And . Did you hear us talking a little bit about their backgrounds earlier. Yes I did. Yes. Anything surprise you there. Well it's usually the their the coldest they make in the morning and even. I saw sort of his insists on Janet Reno and. You know usually a lot of things along those lines. And C.-SPAN is the only channel we have you know killing thing that. You know as far as free press we don't have that in America and . You know I just that's why I think that with those two there I think you're great. Thanks Seattle St Louis Missouri Good morning good morning. How's your progress. How's your race is going out there yes Senate race. Yeah yeah. Well I hope that this is what your face. Loses . You know that the Republicans when talking about Mrs Carnahan going to had yes I can remember Dave. Why do you want to lose. Well. I don't agree with her philosophy and. The way she. The way she looks on life . But my question to the two of these two gentlemen of the talk about the new voting machines in Florida . And that's interesting and that's good I think. But I think much more interesting. Would be the. Business about the voters who were at least allegedly. Illegally removed from the from the rowing role you know but the being. Felons and so forth. Have those people been returned to the voting rolls or not. I saw something on C.-SPAN I think about a lawsuit between A and W. A.C.P. and the end of the report. And Governor Bush. And I just like to be brought up to date on that I think that's very interesting . Thanks gentlemen you know I think about. To understand that that suit was settled. That they that they end up with a sort of pull their lawsuit . And yeah they did . Sort of fix the. Quote fix the voter rolls . Where they have a new system. Of having AD believe I think it's sort of provisional ballots . To make sure people aren't sure so that you're not a Magli not . Kicked off . And everything you know there's going to be a bigger problem . Today besides . Casting ballots and that's going to be finding your correct place to vote . With redistricting brought new precincts with new precincts brings new polling places for some people . And they're especially apparently in South Florida . Stuff got radically changed and that could potentially hurt Janet Reno more. For instance in that governor's primary because her voters. Might not be able to find the correct polling place because it's changed and maybe a change for the first time in ten years or even the first time in twenty years. So that's something of a sum to watch for today and I don't. There you go picking on general you know you're going to find can you give us an update on what's happening in the collar was from there. In Missouri. Obviously that one of the most closely watched Senate races in the country. And one of the ones that has taken a really strange twist in recent days. This of course is the special election. Jean Carnahan was appointed to the seat after her husband posthumously won defeating John Ashcroft in two thousand as she was appointed to fill out this part of the term. This is a special election. Republicans are now talking about having. Jim Talent possibly sworn in and if he wins . The Senate race before . The other congressmen and senators abuse whatever the nays are zero. Two thirds of those president voted in the affirmative . The rules are suspended the bill is passed about objection the motion to reconsider is laid upon the table . The unfinished business is a vote on the motion of the gentleman from New York is to the soul of the just bend the rules and agreed to a house count current resolution . Three twenty as amended on which the Asian A. Were ordered the Turks will report the title of the country resolution . House contrived resolution three twenty concurrent resolution expressing the sense of Congress regarding Spiller of drama . The question is will the house suspend rules the and agree the concurrent resolution is amended. Those in favor will vote on of those opposed to vote no. Members will record their votes by electronic device . An abbreviated legislative day in the House says this is the final recorded vote scheduled for today House concurrent resolution three twenty. Expresses congressional support for public awareness and federal research for scleroderma . That's a rare disease or can cause the skin and internal organs to harden. So during this vote we're going to go back to Chuck Todd involve and verse of The Hotline. States across the country today and so we have invited fun version check Todd from the hotline to join us this morning to take your questions about them. If you're watching this you may be interested in knowing which states have the primaries Arizona Connecticut . There's a runoff in Georgia . Then Florida . Maryland. Minnesota North Carolina New Hampshire . New York Rhode Island Vermont. Wisconsin . And also in the District of Columbia. Maui Hawaii your next Good morning. Oh man I go ahead please . Oh I'm not really for Rick. Generally no. But. Well and. He's always been a pro or . He approved everything. Nor did. I'm not really for her I had hoped to make right away and make a part kept you know. Everyone out. Palm Bay Florida . The guy that the his great talk at the at the. I think you're doing a good job because you're. You're catching up from both. So you must be right there in the middle. It's the Clinton people that are running that used to work for Clinton. What would that be a big disappointment for the Party Democrat. They don't really use the minutes can't end their campaigns in and out they seem to be the bush more. But Clinton still seems to be the head of the Democratic Party. And I agree totally with Todd on this thing. Is this some precedent of what Jeb Bush going to me the ads against McBride. He should have stayed out of the. right That guy was not even known until they got in there and started running. You can add . And whoever gave you the body needs to be fired. In the last thing you reported yesterday . On the millions that these guys have a Congress in the Senate. I mean I think it's appalling that these guys are asking for donations for the working people and not to be mean to Democrats but. Especially Democrats when they say that they do you know if you look out for the book you me and you know. Lives and stuff but then they have all these millions and millions of dollars. And they keep asking . That are paying big taxes in work and. To get all this money. I appreciate your coming . Gentleman. While I would just like the first wild tackle of the beginning of the question. First of all it's not a president with like sort of a strategy we've seen emerge we call it the very south strategy. Which is in this cycle named after that campaign strategist for Gray Davis who started running ads. Very negatively in very early. Against the bridge and Riordan in the Republican primary. Allowed Bill Simon a lot of people think. To come back and win that. And ended up giving Gray Davis a week or the general election follow than he had anticipated Richard. So it's a trend that we've been seeing these early attacks on candidates. To try to maybe get them out of the race and drive up their negative. Secondly ad of. We think you know. Obviously Bill Clinton. Is sort of. At least the symbolic had of the Democratic Party you saw him standing next to handwrite Cuomo. When he dropped out of New York governor's race. Last week I he. He was a he played a part in sort of negotiating that withdrawal and. There's no doubt that he is still looked at by many Democrats in the party especially that. The core constituency is very popular they view him very favorably a lot of them wishing would come back into politics somewhere . And it's interesting we've been following these Clinton. Officials former Clinton official as you know some of these guys use of the. Rahm Emanuel used him in Chicago where in a district where Clinton is very popular. I think coming campaign for him. Erskine Bowles. Has not really used him having invited him to come down to North Carolina because the claim is not very popular there . That record of these candidates is sort of mixed we'll know a lot more. Today and next week when Robert Rice faces a voters in Massachusetts . Right now there is I believe two former Clinton facials. Bill Richardson the New Mexico Rahm Emanuel. In Chicago and the fifth Congressional District . Who have won their party's nominations today we have. Janet Reno Erskine Bowles next week we have Robert Rice up for a photo. And I know I'm forgetting one . But a couple of them are very dropout Andrew Cuomo and. Candidate Massachusetts governor's race so. Sort of a mixed record by the in terms of them using Clinton as very much depends on their locale. And it's actually quite surprising that some of them haven't used Clinton because they're getting painted with him negatively anyway and Erskine Bowles for instance or. The North Carolina Republican Party. Constantly and Elizabeth Dole campaign constantly remind reporters to ask. Erskine Bowles why has invited Clinton why has invited Clinton. It makes you wonder why Bowles. Why why not invite Clinton you're getting all the bad that you get with them. So with Bill Clinton does come a lot of money . Does come a lot of attention. And at a it. A it we wouldn't all be having this sort of lingering doubt in the back of our mind about. Bulls as. Ability to win this primary today. If Bill Clinton the campaign form it probably would be the thing that would put him over the top. But you know it is. He is a lightning rod especially in sort of lean Republican swing states like North Carolina. Elizabeth Pennsylvania the morning. Morning. We are about to elect a Democratic governor and are today. About that. Is that great. Anyway gentlemen I have a question for you Jim Carey. President Clinton would do put it in the White House . Has he not been given a free ride by the media. You know . Right now been listened to . Well . Depends on what you. And by a free ride Republicans would argue. Very vociferously that. Bill Clinton was given a free ride during the one thousand nine thousand campaign when he was a like that. There are a lot of complaints among Republicans that year that the media really fell in love with Bill Clinton and. Almost surely did it has way into the White House. And whether that's true or not depends on the sort of. Where you're coming from a lot of Republicans also say that George W. Bush has been sort of . Portrayed not in the in the in the greatest light. Depending on where you're coming from . Again. A lot of a lot of focus on his the verbal gaffes and in those types of things . Clearly I think Clinton was under a lot more scrutiny . At this point in time of his administration the bushes right now. And I think frankly that that is due to war too while what happened when you're go into the events that have happened since then . We don't have a Whitewater investigation we don't have any of those kinds of things. Also thanks to a demo. Republican Congress. One of the arguments that Republicans are making now . To their core constituents in their. Their base voters . Is their day if you let Democrats take control the Congress. You're going to see a lot more of those investigations and that's going to drive the negative coverage of the president that any time presents under investigation . That I think that. You've got complaints on both sides that are pretty legitimate case Bill Michigan. The morning case Bill. Question regarding bribery in Michigan. We just completed ours what bothers me and what. Evidently prevalent throughout the United States in other areas for a primary. You can't vote for an individual you have to vote for a party. I wonder if either of these gentlemen could shed some light on why that is and why there shouldn't be change. Check not. Well a lot of. You know a lot of states have tried to have complete open primaries. California tried it. Where you could sort of. Cross over and then the courts ruled that unconstitutional protecting political parties. Louisiana for instance has gotten around it. And this year they're going to have an open. General election I wouldn't call it an open primary but it's an open general election So hundred and sixty nine . The nays are two. Two thirds of those present having voted in the affirmative. The rules are suspended the concurrent resolution is agreed to and without objection the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. Without objection the title. Is amended. The chair will receive a message this week a message to the Senate. Mr Speaker Mr Secretary. I've been directed by the Senate to inform the House and the Senate has passed. With an amendment. H.R. forty six eighty seven. The national construction safety team Act two thousand and two in which the concurrence of the house is requested for what purpose does the gentle lady from Texas writes. Mr Speaker . On roll call votes number three seventy three seven nine and three eighty. I was unavoidably delayed because of a malfunction with my paging system . Had I been present. I would have liked to have voted aye on roll call vote. Three seventy eight. I on roll call vote three seventy nine. And I on roll call vote three eighty. Is the speaker asked if these be placed appropriately in the record of the house. Ask unanimous consent . Will be included in the record . I thank the distinguished chairman and .

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    Two hundred women. Generated in Texas. Yes the speaker I'd like to address…

    Two hundred women. Generated in Texas. Yes the speaker I'd like to address the house for one minute. About objects Thank you.

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    The speaker in a solemn way I recognize that this week . Will be a week

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    MS. JACKSON LEE

    in a solemn way I recognize that this week . Will be a week that America…

    in a solemn way I recognize that this week . Will be a week that America turns toward each other. Seeking to embrace and seeking to love mourning those who we lost on September eleventh thousand two and one. And celebrating . The unsung heroes but as well the families who have survived . I stand before this House today to simply offer my deepest sympathy.

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    And that of the constituents of the eighteenth congressional district in…

    And that of the constituents of the eighteenth congressional district in the state of Texas.

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    district in the state of Texas. To all of those who will experience this…

    district in the state of Texas. To all of those who will experience this great loss . As we come

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    upon September eleventh two thousand and two.

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    MS. JACKSON LEE

    September eleventh two thousand and two.

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    It is my desire to simply offer the words of sympathy . Because I love you…

    It is my desire to simply offer the words of sympathy . Because I love you and appreciate the sacrifice you made for this nation. I conclude by simply saying The Lord is my shepherd I shall not want . I yield back the balance of my time .

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    The chair lays before the House the following person requests . Leaves of…

    The chair lays before the House the following person requests . Leaves of absence requested for Mrs Kelly for September eleventh. And for Mr Walsh for September ninth sentence about objection the requests are granted. Generally from Texas. Speaker I ask unanimous consent that today following legislative business and any special orders here too for entered into the following members may be permitted to address the house. Revise and extend their remarks . And include their in extraneous material. Ms Norton for five minutes. Mr Filner for five minutes. Mr defines the zero five minutes. Mr Polonius for five minutes . Missed a shift for five minutes. Means Melinda McDonnell five minutes . Found objection. Under the speaker's announce policy of January three two thousand and one . And under a previous order of the house . The following

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    members are recognized for five minutes. Each Mr Pawle from Texas .

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    Mr Pawle from Texas . Gentleman is recognized for five minutes .

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    you Thank Mr Speaker and I ask unanimous consent to revising stand my…

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    stand my remarks out objection. Mr Speaker . Soon we hope to have hearings…

    stand my remarks out objection. Mr Speaker . Soon we hope to have hearings on the pending war with Iraq. I'm concerned that there are some questions that won't be asked and maybe not even allowed to be ask . Here are some questions I would like answered by those who are anxious to start this war.

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    Is it not true that the reason. We did not bomb the Soviet Union. At the…

    Is it not true that the reason. We did not bomb the Soviet Union. At the height of the Cold War. Was because we knew they could retaliate . Is it also true that we are willing to bomb Iraq now because we know it cannot . Retaliate . Which just confirms that there is no real threat. Is it not true that those who argue that even with inspections. We cannot be sure the Hussein might be hiding weapons . At the

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    might be hiding weapons . At the same time. Imply that we can be more sure…

    might be hiding weapons . At the same time. Imply that we can be more sure . That weapons

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    that we can be more sure . That weapons

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    exist . In the absence of inspections . Is it not true that the UN's…

    exist . In the absence of inspections . Is it not true that the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency. Was able to complete its yearly verification mission to Iraq. Just this year . With Iraqi cooperation . Is it not true that D.M. talents community has been unable to develop a case tying Iraq to global terrorism at all much less the attacks on the United States last year. Does anybody remember that fifteen of the nineteen hijackers came from Saudi Arabia . And that none came from Iraq . Was former CIA counterterrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro wrong . When he recently said there is no confirmed evidence of Iraq's links to terrorism . Is it not true that the CIA has concluded there is no evidence that a Prague meeting between. Nine eleven hijacker and Iraqi intelligence . Took place. Is it not true that northern Iraq where the administration claimed al Qaeda as were were hiding out . Is in the control of our. allies The Kurds . Is it not true that the vast majority of the al Qaeda leaders who excavate appear to have safely. Made their way to Pakistan. Another of our so-called allies. Has anyone noticed that Afghanistan is rapidly sinking into chaos with bombings and assassinations becoming daily occurrences. And that according to a recent U.N. report the al-Qaeda quote. Is by all accounts. Alive and well and poised . Again how when and where it chooses close quote. Why are we taking precious military intelligence resources away from tracking down those who did attack the United States and who may again attack the United States and using them to invade countries that have not attacked the United States . What an attack on Iraq not just confirm the Arabs worst suspicions about the United States. And isn't this just what Osama bin Laden. One and to have happen. How can Hussein be compared to Hitler. When he has no navy. No Air Force . And now has an army one fifth the size it was twelve years ago. Which even then proved itself. Totally inept in defending itself . Is it not true that the constitutional power to declare war is exclusively . Given to congress should presidents contrary to the Constitution . Allow Congress to concur only one pressured by public opinion . Or presidents permitted to rely on UN permission to go to war. Or when were you aware of a Pentagon report . Study and charges that thousands of Kurds in one village were gassed by the Iraqis . Which found no conclusive evidence that Iraq was responsible. That Iran. Occupied the very city involved . And that evidence indicates to according this Pentagon report . The type of gas used was more likely controlled by Iran not Iraq . Is it not true that between one hundred to three hundred thousand US soldiers have suffered from. Persian Gulf War Syndrome . From the first Gulf War and that thousands may have died . Are we prepared for possibly thousands of American casualties in a war against the country. That does not have the capacity to attack the United States . Are we willing to bear the economic burden of one hundred billion dollar war against Iraq with oil prices expected to skyrocket and further rattle. And already shaky American economy. How about an estimated thirty years occupation of Iraq . That some have deemed necessary to build democracy there . Iraq's alleged violation of UN resolutions are given as a reason to initiate an attack yet. Is it not true that hundreds of you and resolutions have been ignored by various countries . Without penalty . If former President Bush not cite the UN Resolution of one nine hundred ninety as the reason he could not. March into Baghdad while supporters of a new attack. Assert that is the very reason we can. March into Baghdad . Is it not true that contrary to current claims the no fly zones were set up by. Britain And United States . Without specific approval from the United Nations. Gentleman's time has expired . Ms Norton. From the District of Columbia. Mr Filner. From California. Mr De Fazio of Oregon . Mr Polonca of New Jersey. Mr Schiff of California .

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    . Miss Milliner McDonald. Of California . Just as the gentleman from…

    . Miss Milliner McDonald. Of California . Just as the gentleman from Oregon arise out of Jackson the gentleman may reclaim his time. Well today's press. Reveals that the Bush administration has decided that they can find no linkage between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda despite some of the offhand remarks of. Secretary Rumsfeld and Vice President Cheney. To the contrary. The intelligence agencies . Turning all of their resources to this cannot find . Existing links . So that means that the president and his administration will have to make the case against Saddam Hussein . To this Congress. Because the authorization passed by this Congress. Last fall was.

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    To for the president to respond to those who are involved in the attacks…

    To for the president to respond to those who are involved in the attacks and those who harbored or sponsored such attacks . That means

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    sponsored such attacks . That means

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    . That means a straight up debate . In the floor of the House of…

    . That means a straight up debate . In the floor of the House of Representatives hopefully a free and fair debate over the wisdom of a. The first ever .

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    MR. DEFAZIO

    Preemptive war. By the United States of America against Iraq. And I…

    Preemptive war. By the United States of America against Iraq. And I believe that the. burden The administration has to prove that the United States should break from all presidents and. More than two hundred years of history . Should break from all presidents. Set lawfully under the United Nations conventions a sense . The end of World War two . And actually launch a preemptive war . Is an extraordinary burden . They have to prove a very real credible threat by the. Saddam Hussein regime that Saddam Hussein is an absolutely despicable . Individual. He's a horrible death but he's murdered tens of thousands he's murdered all effective opposition . He's murdered people ethnically religiously he's used weapons of mass destruction. He has an absolutely horrible record and. We wouldn't trust this gentleman one inch. But the question in this case becomes what's different today than a year ago or two years ago in terms of Saddam Hussein. It seems that . When asked on a slate . And privately . The generals and admirals at the Pentagon feel that the containment is working that day does not pose a credible. And immediate threat to the United States of America or its allies. In that region . So the question becomes then. If he is credibly threatened with a preemptive war. Would he become then. More of a threat. Then there's the issue of our allies will any allies. Support the United States. In this endeavor. Then there are the questions. From ten years ago . The same questions that George Bush's father had to confront and Colin Powell as chairman the Joint Chiefs which was . What if they went to Baghdad . Took out Saddam Hussein. What then. They were confronted with a long and problematic. Occupation of Iraq. Further destabilization in the region. And even with all the allies including Arab nations at the time. They felt that it wasn't worth the risk of doing that . Well the same question needs to be asked today in fact eye witness they face the nation where one Republican senator said Well. We don't need any allies we'll just go and do this we'll take them out and then he said and we'll rule Iraq. Well I don't know who he's been talking to or what he's thinking . But you know. The United States . Being involved intimately . In that region and trying to rule . A country . Very large country. In a extraordinary volatile area. Is a recipe for disaster . So they need not only a credible plan for what if. And how and why . But. They need to explain that both to Congress some of it can be confidentially but for the most part they should be things that can be laid out. Prime Minister Chretien said that yesterday.. They The president had nothing new to say. It was just the same . Rhetorical sort of. You know we have got to remove him sooner or later the same thing we've been hearing from Ms Rice and other advisers to the president. So I've sent a letter to the president signed by seventeen other members of Congress . Which lays out a series of about twenty questions that I believe are critical . That this administration address before . They would undertake to ask even for authorization for a preemptive war the first ever in our history . And I'm hopeful that the administration will in good faith answer those questions and most of them are questions that could be answered in public. Could be given to the American people and could . If they answer them. I believe convincingly. As they have not thus far lead to some sort of. Authorization from the United States Congress. But you know we can't just sort of have this. You know shadow boxing and discussion in private this is an extraordinary issue a constitutional an issue that breaks with all president of this country. It's something that needs to be fully. Freely and fairly debated before . The American people . Before we commit our sons and daughters . To lengthy involvement in a war against Iraq and a subsequent occupation and rebuilding of that country we're not doing such a great job. Of stabilizing and rebuilding Afghanistan . Once got a question of what we would do with a much larger . Nation in a much more volatile region. Of the world. With that I yield back the balance of my time. Gentlemen you expect the balance of this time . Reason does a gentleman from Florida drives a mission to address the house for five minutes. Is there an objection. History here and so ordered Mr Speaker I ask unanimous consent that today following legislative business. And any special orders here to four hundred into the following members . May be permitted to address the house revise extend their remarks and include their own extraneous material. Mr Nestle today. For five minutes. Without objection. Thank you very much Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker the orange register in California. Every week recognizes the writer who eloquently expresses a viewpoint . Or in genders a debate on a topic of public interest.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    on a topic of public interest. It's known as the golden pan award . And…

    on a topic of public interest. It's known as the golden pan award . And the title of this letter to the editor of the orange register written by an Baker a real estate agent. Of Huntington Beach California . A young Marine restores my faith.

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    MR. FOLEY

    Marine restores my faith.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    It was our normal Thursday morning business meeting. At our real estate…

    It was our normal Thursday morning business meeting. At our real estate office.

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    MR. FOLEY

    No big deal. Before the meeting we hung around the bagel table as usual…

    No big deal. Before the meeting we hung around the bagel table as usual with our coffee. He stood aside . Looking a little shy and awkward . And very young. A new face in the room full of extroverted salespeople.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    in the room full of extroverted salespeople. An average looking guy .

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    MR. FOLEY

    Maybe five foot eight inches. A clean cut. Sweet faced kid . I went over…

    Maybe five foot eight inches. A clean cut. Sweet faced kid . I went over to chat with him. Maybe he was a new. Salesman . He said he was just back from Kabul Afghanistan . A Marine . Our office and a local school had been support of. By sending letters to him and other troops . Which had been posted . At the American embassy door . In Kabul . He stood guard there for four months. And was shot at daily. He had come to our office to thank us for our support for all the letters during those scary times . I couldn't believe my ears she said. I wanted to thank he wanted to thank us . We should be thanking him. But how . How can I ever show him . My appreciation . At the end of the sales meeting he stepped quietly forward . Knowing credible hunk. As a matter of fact he looked all the world fifteen years old to me. This young Marine this clean faced boy . Had no qualms stepping up to the plate and dodging bullets. So that I may enjoy the freedom to live my. Peaceful life . In the Land of the free. No matter the risk. Suddenly the most stressful concerns of my life seem does nothing. My complacently flew right out the window with his every word. Somewhere somehow. He had taken the words honor courage and commitment . And his very soul. And laid his life on the line daily for me and us . A man of principle. He wants to do it. He relishes it. And he came to thank us for a few letters. I thought back the tears as he spoke so briefly and softly. We walked forward to our manager in a place to properly folded American flag in his hands. It had flown over the embassy in Kabul . He said thanks again. You could hear a pin drop. As I looked around I saw a red faces everywhere fighting back the tears . In a heartbeat my disillusionment with young people today quickly vanished. In ordinary homes. In ordinary towns. Kids like him are growing up proud to be an American and willing to die for it while will flame the flag and put it in the lobby . He only came to my office once . For just a few minutes . But I realize I rub shoulders with greatness in the flesh . And in the twinkly. Of an eye. My life is forever changed. His name is Michael Mendez a corporal. In the United States Marine Corps. We are a great nation . We now know the makings of it walked into my office that day . That's. By and Baker of Huntington California. That I think properly summarizes. Our nation's respect for the men and women in uniform. We take for granted the sacrifices they and their families make to serve this country . We assume freedom comes without price at times and September eleventh which we rapidly approach . Taught us a lesson that America's freedom. Depends on the strong and vigilant men and women who fight for our battles and our freedoms . And fight for the integrity of this nation. Parents who allow their children to enter harm's way . For the flag that flies behind me. Do so knowing for the freedom of a nation. Men and women must offer themselves and sacrifice. And Baker's letter touched me as well because it signified from a. Average citizen that. She recognized that day . That that young man Michael who came to her office. Changed her life . But it was also shaping the lives of future American leaders. We pray for the safety of our troops here and abroad . But we also thank those special individuals who have character who stand up for the flag and the nation. And fight the good fight for all Americans . Gentleman's time has expired. Under the speaker's announced policy of January three two thousand and one. Mr Nussle. From Iowa . Under the speaker's announced policy of January three two thousand and one . The gentleman from Colorado Mr Tancredo . Is recognized for sixty minutes . As the designee. Of the majority leader. I thank you Mr Speaker I I rise this afternoon in order to bring to the attention of our of the body. A serious. In fact. I think a an extremely dangerous problem that the United States faces in the area of immigration and immigration reform.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    States faces in the area of immigration and immigration reform. And…

    States faces in the area of immigration and immigration reform. And specifically the problems we face on our borders. With people coming across this country. Without our permission people. We don't know. People. We don't know why they are coming we don't know who they are we don't know what they're going to do here and. They're coming through in huge numbers. The face of the illegal immigration. In my district. May be . People wanting to do work in . In the entertainment industry people wanting to do. Work in the landscaping. Area. People.

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    MR. TANCREDO

    You know working in restaurants . But the face of illegal immigration on…

    You know working in restaurants . But the face of illegal immigration on the borders. Is much uglier. Much nastier . The face of illegal immigration. On our borders . Is one of murder. One of drug smuggling. One of vandalism for all the communities along the border. And one of infiltration . People coming into this country for purposes to do us great harm. Most recently . An incident occurred in Arizona . Near the Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument. That I want to begin . Our discussion with today . The situation in that part of the country is. Is actually incredible I can't think of a way to describe it except by saying we are under siege. That there is an invasion . Near the turnout in Indian Reservation in Arizona. We have about a seventy six mile . Coterminous border with Mexico and this particular reservation the tone autumn are the second largest tribe in the United States second only to the Navajo. And they have been living peacefully in this area for centuries . But in the last several months . Things have gotten very very bad in this particular area . As a result of the fact that there have been some efforts on the part of the Internal Revenue Service I mean excuse me. The INS there and also the Border Patrol. To strengthen our border security . Posts around. Nogales and Tucson and. San Diego. As a result we've created sort of a funnel effect where. Fifteen hundred people a day. Are now coming across that seventy six mile border . In and coming across illegally. Through the turn off an Indian reservation and up into Arizona and then of course. Spreading out across the United States now these are not just people looking for a job . They're not just folks coming for quote. Just because they're seeking the American dream . These people . Many of them are coming because they are transporting drugs . Working for Mexican drug cartels. Many of them are coming for purposes as I say that have nothing to do with the. Benign or even some. Some might suggest positive intent of. Seeking work in the United States . And just a few weeks ago . In this same area . We had a situation where two. Mexicans had committed a series of murders in Mexico that were that were connected to. Drug activity . These people were evidently a professional assassins they killed four people in Mexico. That were in a rival gang they were in a rival cartel drug cartel . And they were escaping into the United States where they were confronted by a member of the Border Patrol. And a member of the Park Service. A park ranger . When they stepped out of their cars when. When our folks stepped out of their cars to go and confront these people . They were met with two individuals who opened fire with automatic weapons. And one man . Christopher egle. Was killed . Twenty eight year old . Park Ranger . Was killed. He was killed in the line of duty. He laid down his life . In the defense of others . In the defense of this country. Just exactly the same way . Men and women in Afghanistan . In the Gulf war and wars throughout our history have done. Yet very little has been heard about his death . Here in this country. Very little . News has been made by this death. And. I wonder why. Well I am here today along with my friend and colleague Mr Hoekstra . Whose pitch has in his district. The parents of Mr Agel . And we are here today . To make sure that people do hear about this event. And that we do bring to the attention of the nation and our colleagues the fact that people like Mr Abel are in fact. Putting their lives on the line. On our borders. And they deserve every bit as much of our support and attention and concern as we approach nine eleven . To all of the other folks who heroically defend America whether they are the fire and police. People in New York . Or whether they are. Our troops that are perhaps being readied to go off to war in Iraq. We need to bring Mr egle and his comrades to the attention of our body and I'm going to to ask. Mr Hoekstra. To also say a few words here in this regard . I think my. My colleague for. Yielding And I think that. Over the last period of time my colleague has been heroic in his efforts to educate the Congress on the challenges that face our nation as a result of the conditions on our border. The conditions as we view them. On the face of illegal immigration is one thing . In West Michigan it is another when you actually take a look at it from the border. And it is a very different reality. That Chris Egli face . In August. Let me give you a little bit of background about Chris Chris was a twenty eight year old National Park Service ranger. He was assigned to the Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument. At the time of his death. My colleague has given us a little bit of the details about that but. If you go back Chris graduated Chris was one of the best of the best. And

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    MR. HOEKSTRA

    the best. And he graduated as valedictorian of Cadillac high school in one…

    the best. And he graduated as valedictorian of Cadillac high school in one nine hundred ninety one . He was in a car. Cross-country runner a Cadillac high school . He went on to be a top cross-country runner at the University of Michigan where he graduated with honors in one thousand nine hundred five . After the graduation . He chose government service. As the field where he was going to commit. His life to . He joined the National Park Service . He'd served at the Sleeping Bear Dunes National lake shore where he served as a ranger on both the north and man. South Manitou Island. He had been stationed in Arizona since two thousand . That's a little bit of background about Chris Edley a little bit of background on Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument. And is one of our finest. National parks. It has over . I believe . Three hundred twenty seven thousand visitors per year . It is just an awesome . Area that my colleague has visited. On a number of occasions that . We are trying to preserve the disappointing thing is that over the last number of years . And as our Border Patrol has tried to control . Illegal immigration and illegal border crossings. At the urban centers . What that has resulted in. Is that we have not stopped. The illegal border crossings. Is We've just moved them from one part of the border to the other. And in this case . We moved them to Chris. I met with some of his supervisors this morning. Who indicated that . One of the reasons that . These types of individuals were in the area of these type of hit men. Is that individuals like Chris. Were maybe doing their job too well. Last year they see. Close to seven hundred fifty thousand pounds. Of drugs in the park . And this is the reason that folks on the south side of the border . Were maybe behind in their drug payments in these types of things which. Which got them in trouble with folks like Chris. Were going about doing their job and going above and beyond doing their job. Chris is law of. Was the environment . And making sure that. Organ Pipe. Cactus National Monument. Lived up to our expectations for what we want our national parks to be as . The border crossings. And the illegal border crossings moved over to organ pipe . What he found was that he not only had to deal with three hundred twenty seven thousand . Legal visits. To the park . He thought . He also had to deal with me with over two hundred thousand illegal aliens . Let me read a little bit about what Michelle Malkin. Says about what happened here . She writes and she talks about . Why. Chris didn't get much attention or his death . While others . Seemingly less important events get more focus. In today's society where someone like Chris is a true hero some others that maybe make the national media are not. Here's the here's part of what she had written . The park where Chris had been station for two years Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument in southern Arizona is considered the most dangerous national park system in the nation. to According a national survey conducted by the for turn Order of Police . It is a magnet for illegal aliens and Mexican smugglers . Some two hundred thousand illegal border crossers. And seven hundred thousand pounds of drugs were entered were intercepted at the drug. At excuse me at the park last year . Nonetheless . Egli embrace his job . He was always cheerful. His coworkers. A model citizen. A quintessential American boy turned Ranger. He baked chocolate chip cookies for fellow Rangers and entertained them with songs while on duty. Eglise father. Robert said. Chris was where he wanted to be and he did what he wanted to do a native Cadillac Michigan where he grew up on his family's. One hundred thirty year old farm. Egli was an Eagle Scout . A high school valedictorian . A devout Baptist . And a champion cross-country runner for the University of Michigan. Former coworkers called the fleet footed Egli. The coyote. And honor of his running promise. On August nine. Egli speed and dedication may have cost him his life. He and through you US Border Patrol officers responded after Mexican police reported that two armed fugitives. Had fled across the border into the U.S. a Border Patrol helicopter gave chase and directed Agley and the other cars offices . Officers to where three suspects had ditched their vehicle. The American officers pursued the fugitives on foot as they ran into nearby bushes. One of the Mexican nationals was caught and. In the attempt to apprehend the other two . Egli was ambushed and shot by one of the suspects within a cave forty seven. The gunfire hit Egli below is bullet proof vest he died at the scene before an emergency helicopter arrived at the memorial service in tiny Arizona this week or this week Eglise casket was draped with an American flag . And top with the Stetson hat he wore on the job . He was buried in his hometown in Cadillac Michigan following services there . Chris Sadly after graduating decided that he would serve the country that he loved. The folks that knew Chris said that he had one of the most . One of the brightest futures. Possible. At the National Park Service . The award that . He has shown receiving here. I believe was given to him. In Arizona . Because where he earned the awards. Were during a training session and rather than staying for the awards portion of the . Training session . So I want to get back to organ pipe. I want to get back to to my job I want to get back to my coworkers. I want to get back and do the job that . I've been hired to do. Chris like all other federal employees takes an oath to swear . His allegiance to this country. Chris did his job. He did it make to facilitate the challenge that . My colleague from Colorado . And that Chris his parents have laid out. To me is . Let's make sure that we give . Chris's coworkers. The resources . The protection. And whatever tools they need to minimize the risk that national park rangers. Take. They know the risk. When they take the job. They're armed. They're given bulletproof vests . But we need to make sure that we give them a job. That minimizes that risks that we really do have border security. I'm sure my colleague may touch on that but when you take a look at the issues that are associated with the border there. We recognize that . We've given . Chris and his coworkers. A very very tough and very very difficult job. A small number of National Park Rangers supporters supported and complemented with Border Patrol folks . But a small number of park rangers and eighty. Border Patrol folks . Is a small number compared to two hundred thousand illegal aliens. Many of whom are Mexican nationals who are coming to America . Looking for a better life and. Really with no intent to do any harm or danger to our folks patrolling the border . But a small number of whom have views that border. Location and that border crossing. As a market of opportunity. Coming across the border. And ASH Uvas . Coming across the border. Heavily armed . And with one intent. To get the drugs to market . At whatever the cost. And if the cost are . The lives of our national park rangers. Our border patrol agents or gun fight with these individuals. They are willing . Those individuals are willing to take that risk . And to kill Americans . For them to move their drugs . Into our cities and our communities into our schools and to our kids . Chris was at the front line. Trying to make sure that that did not happen to him we owe a great debt of gratitude . To his service . We extend our deepest sympathy. To his family his coworkers and all that. That knew Chris. And I think that this Congress then also the family. The National Park Rangers. And American communities and schools and our children all over America . The commitment that we will do what needs to be done on the border . To ensure that these types of incidents . Hopefully will be eliminated . Or will be minimized. We know we can do it. The reason that. There are fewer. Illegal border crossings . In the urban areas is that we put a focus and an emphasis on that. We now need to provide the Border Patrol and the National Park Service . With the same resources . That are essential to close . And protect this section of the border. As well as other sections of the border because as I talked with the Rangers this morning. They recognize that if they close the border and are successful in getting the funding to make the border secure . Along . Organ Pipe. That doesn't solve the problem. It may solve it for them. But they recognize that that's not enough. Because the land. Directly adjacent to organ pipe. I believe is controlled by the Fish and Wildlife Service . And so they don't want to put their folks at the Fish and Wildlife Service at risk. Just because they've gotten the resources to secure the border here . So I'd like to thank my colleague for forgiving me this time for sharing this and for the commitment that he made . You know you made the commitment to to be in Arizona . Before this incident ever happened. You've been back in Washington showing us pictures of the border. Describing the conditions telling us what has been going on there . You were at the border. I believe you were an organ pipe. Just briefly. Shortly before these tragic events of. Of August nine. And you also took the time. The efforts . And the energy that you attended the. The services back in Arizona for Chris and . I very much appreciate you doing that and being a representative of this Congress . To the National Park Service . To Chris's family . And demonstrating our concern and our commitment to them and. I can personally convey to you their appreciation for you being there . And participating in leading these efforts to make sure that the risk of something like this happening in the future will. Very very much reduced . So. Mr Tancredo my colleague from Colorado thank you very much. I thank you to my dear friend and colleague Mr host trait is. It is it is something that . When I say a pleasure . In terms of being able to represent this body it is certainly not approach . Pleasurable experience but being able to resent. Represent us . At the funeral of. Chris Egli. I was glad to be able to do that because I wanted his parents to see that someone does know. Someone does care and that the Congress of the United States at least . Many members of it are well aware of the sacrifice . The ultimate sacrifice . That was given by their son. Chris. And by them . Giving their son. In that regard the statements that were made . That day it was a. It was an enormously emotional. Funeral . As you can imagine as young man.

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    MR. TANCREDO

    Well loved by all of his colleagues there must have been a couple of…

    Well loved by all of his colleagues there must have been a couple of hundred people there . Ninety percent of whom were members of the Border Patrol members of the Park Service. Forest Service employees. And customs agents. All of them comrades in arms . With Chris . And all of them talking about him in the most loving and glowing terms. Those that knew him personally and. I remember. His colleague talking about how each day . He would they would go out he would be so enthusiastic about the job about his responsibilities for the day and . He would turn to his colleague . And his coworker and . Almost every day say something. To the effect of is there anything I can do for you today . And that was one way of describing what. Chris was like and. I also remember that . The his supervisor. The head of the parks. The head of the park service in that area . Got up and said you know this . Death cannot be in vain. That we have to recognize that there are things that this country needs to do in order to assure that. Someone else's son or daughter doesn't face the same fate. We are at war on our borders. There is no other way of describing it. We ask men and women. To go down there and put their lives on the line. Just like we ask men and women to do it in the armed forces of the United States. But the difference . With the war on our borders. And perhaps the war that we are pressing let's say. Against terrorism . Is that. I don't know if we have the will as a government . To actually win that war. And and I want to yield again to to my colleague Mr Hoekstra. Yeah I'd like to just build off of that comment. You know. Obviously today is September ten and September eleventh we will again . Remember as we have for almost every day . Over the last year. The. The hero as a. Of the firefighters . And the emergency personnel in New York City. The same at the Pentagon. The the folks on Flight United ninety three . And they very much deserve that recognition and . I'm pleased that in it that we are be that we are able to do that and we recognize that we are now in a war on terrorism. But as we've noticed and you know. And during the month of August I had the opportunity to travel to Central Asia . And met with our troops and his back to stand met with our troops in Afghanistan . Saw our troops on the U.S.S. George Washington. Saw them in Bahrain .

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    MR. HOEKSTRA

    in Bahrain . And there was a whole face of. Of people who have their . You…

    in Bahrain . And there was a whole face of. Of people who have their . You know who have their lives on the front line . Each and every day and a half and Central Asia . And then we have individuals like Chris. Who have their lives on the line . Each and every day. Along our borders. America has so many people to be grateful for that . Are willing to make that sacrifice and that commitment to our country and it takes and . It has a very very many different faces . And it is the responsibility of this Congress that and. Each of those wars that we are engaged in whether it is the war on homeland security the. Sure that we are safe in our homes in our communities . And those are emergency first responders . Whether it is the face of the American troops that have taken the war to the terrorists . They have their lives on the line . Or whether it is the end of it jewels like Chris who . Maybe come into a war. On expectedly. Going in and being wanting to protect our. Our national environmental treasures. And finding out that all of a sudden he is in the a war. The drug war. And so we need to remember each of these it's a commitment . And responsibility of Congress that it. Each of these commitments where we ask our young men and women . And Chris was maybe one of the older ones . He was twenty eight he would have been twenty nine on his parents' anniversary later in the month of August . But if you take a look at the the young people on the U.S.S. George Washington . Five thousand more than five thousand . And I call them kids because the average age is twenty years old and my oldest daughter is twenty. But they Zhang people. You know we ask our young people many cases to fight our wars . And we need to make sure that we give them that if we are going to declare these kinds of wars. That we need to be serious about equipping them and giving them . All of the resources that are necessary to fight the war. Effectively. We can't have them go in and. Without the proper resources . And I think this is an area where we need to take a look that say that says you know. We have declared a war on drugs we've had it for a long time. But are we really properly equipping our borders to stop the flow of drugs into this country. Went through this thirty mile stretch of border . What is it. Eight to ten National Park Rangers. That's in nine. You know. It's nine . Nine Rangers . Along with some border patrol. You know pretty much single handedly . Have stopped over. Close to three quarters of a million pounds of drugs seven hundred to seven hundred fifty thousand pounds . Of drugs and. A single year. And Reclaiming my time this is. It's a fascinating thing because I don't know if a lot of our colleagues and I certainly don't believe a lot of the citizens of the United States know the exact situation that we face on these borders in our parks and our national monuments. Not too long ago I went down to the core not a national forest. Not too far from . Organ pipes. The core nado is one of the oldest. National Forests . In the land one thousand nine hundred six. It was created . A beautiful beautiful environment . That is

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    . That is being completely despoiled.

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    MR. HOEKSTRA

    despoiled. By the same thing. By massive numbers of people coming across…

    despoiled. By the same thing. By massive numbers of people coming across illegally . They find that . The terrain is rugged. They can hide . Even more easily and they have now. Actually you can fly over that you can see where tracks have been worn into the land . By so many

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    MR. TANCREDO

    people by hundreds of thousands of people. So that looks like actual…

    people by hundreds of thousands of people. So that looks like actual spiderweb going out all over that . That particular forest area and the. Those tracks won't go away. For many many many years . And then them. You know. They make a track and they think that we monitor it so that they'll move over little bit and move over though because they think we put sensors out. So they just . It just spreads out like that trash. And the same thing by the way in all of our national parks along this area . The trash is enormous the problem with plastic water bottles strewn everywhere . Hundreds of thousands of clothing just tossed aside . They come through. They start fires warming fires in the night. And then walk away in the morning. Leaving them go and. When we got back from the Corps not that we left on a Sunday morning by the time we. Had gotten back . When I got back home to Colorado. Thirty five thousand acres have been consumed in the corn Otto by one of these fires. The. The. I'm told by. These folks who've been fighting these. These incursions I guess there's no other way to put them for years. That you know before. When all the people would we have always had a lot of people bringing drugs through . On our southern and northern borders by the way. It's not unique to the southern border . But they said that before when they would confront them. By and large they would drop. What they were carrying they carry the sixty pound seventy pound loads on their back in these kind of homemade. Backpacks. Which by by the way once they get to a part of the National Park where another road has been cut in by there are countless as. This is a road that is used by trucks coming in to pick up the drugs . When they reach that they unload the drugs on the trucks and then they discard all of this. Back packing material they piled up in huge. Over the time we've got huge massive piles of the stuff all over the place . And said before when we would confront them. They would simply drop it and run. But now they're not. Now they're fighting back now they're opening fire and they're. There are preceded by a guy usually with an M. sixteen he's leading a bunch of people carrying the drugs and he's followed by a guy with an M. sixteen and. You know are park rangers park rangers for Evan sake. Let's face it this is not really what they've been trained to deal with. You know. Their responsibilities don't go to . Fighting drug cartels. But that's the position we place them in and. To their credit . As my colleague Mr Hoekstra has said they have . Interjected and . Hundreds of thousands of pounds of illegal drugs over the course of all of the just the last year and. And. But it is getting rougher it's getting tougher it's getting meaner . There are the cartel members are actually holding hostage. Some of the family members of the people who are transporting the stuff for them. So that . Unless they make it all the way across and. To the to their point of. Site where they jump off to a truck. Their family member . In Mexico is killed. And so that's why there are a lot more than that and other reasons. Are the reasons why we're not facing a different kind of threat down there beside that we were told. There is an ever increasing number of what they refer to as. O.T.M.. Other than Mexicans coming across the border. Now we see what they call an alarming number of people coming through from China. And from the Middle East. Coming through these areas . Again . For what purpose and. You know what is our ability and desire to try to interdict it into try to stop it. If we do not intend to defend these borders. Then we should not be putting people like Chris in harm's way . If it is not our intent to actually secure the border. And if that means putting the military in there to help. Chris and his compatriots. Until we can stabilize the INS until we can actually. Reform that organization. And get Border Patrol. Believe me the folks on the line are doing a great job . These guys and . The ladies down there who . are Border patrol agents they are park rangers. They are Forest Service personnel. I take my hat off to him and it was my pleasure. As I say to go down there and talk to them and see and visit them as often as I could during the break. Both. Borders . But they need help . They cannot do this alone we have asked them to try to hold back a flood and we've given them a sieve and unfortunately this flood is getting more dangerous all the time. Not. It's not a month prior. To this particular event. I'm sorry no it was it was made. May twenty seventh. Again not far from where this happened. Not far from organ pipes . In a place called Papago farms. A Border Patrol agent on patrol . Confronted a Mexican military vehicle. In the United States. A Mexican Humvee . With several members of the Mexican military on board . When he confronted them . They got out he decided that discretion was the better part of valor he was certainly outgunned and outmanned and he was turning around to go get help. And the shots rang out from the Mexicans . Went through his back window. Hit the metal grate right that separates him from the back part of his vehicle . And went out the right rear window. That was on May twenty seventh. We have had. Up to this point I'm one hundred and twenty seven incursions . Of that nature. Since one thousand nine hundred seventy. Where Mexican military and Mexican police federal police have come into the United States. Usually it's for the purpose of protecting the drug shipment. They are. There's a. Usually a large shipment coming through. So they will actually act as the protection for it or they act as a diversionary tactic . They come in over here . We naturally send people to find out what's what what this is all about you've got Mexican military coming in and the drug shipment comes through. Where we've pulled our people away. This is what's been happening again. Nobody's talked about it. You know . An American . A person that is a member of our Border Patrol . Is actually fired upon by another person who is a member of a foreign military service and. Nothing is said or done. Around here. All because we are fearful of discussing this issue of immigration and immigration control. All because we are fearful of the politics of it. While I will tell you. And I know you feel this way to structure that. You know . This issue . It is our responsibility . Even if it is to our political peril. It is our responsibility as members of the Congress of the United States . To live up to the oath of office that says we are going to protect this country. The people in the property of this country. From all those who intend to do us harm. And part of that . Duty is to defend this border. Or as I say. Leave it . But we cannot continue in this. Halfway mode. Of creating a facade of protection. Sending people down there like Chris. Telling them to hold back that flood. But not really and truly doing what's necessary for fear that we would actually stop the flow of illegal immigrants into the country and there are all kinds of ramifications of that . Political and economic. And we don't want to deal with it we don't want to adjust our policies because we are afraid of the politics. Well I am not. I know you are not I know there are other members of this body. Who are not afraid to address this issue. And I'll tell you right now . That there are hundreds of thousands of people like Chris who serve. Every day on that line. Who look to us for that kind of leadership and support. And they see us as their only hope. To ever get the job done and we have a duty to them. To do everything we can we ask them to do everything they can. We asked. Chris Edley to do everything he could do to protect that. National Monument. That National Park . And he did everything that he could do. It is up to us . To do everything that we can do in this body . To make sure that his death was not in vain . And you know to my colleague I think . My colleague. There's been a lot of talk around the country. Lately about . About leadership in corporate America . We've seen where for some leadership . Had evolved from serving others serving those who had given you the opportunity to lead . Serving and recognizing that with leadership came a certain responsibility . And for those certain that limited number of corporate executives. It had moved from serving others to leadership now. Means. What can I get out of it for myself . Leadership. Met and began to mean more about what's in it for me than what's in it for others. And you're absolutely correct. That for the folks that put our for the folks that put their lives on the line. Each and every

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    MR. HOEKSTRA

    for the folks that put their lives on the line. Each and every day for…

    for the folks that put their lives on the line. Each and every day for them leadership is about service. Chris was doing this in service of his country . For our for our troops in Central Asia. They're doing this in service to their country . For the firefighters and rescue workers and New York and at the Pentagon. They gave their lives because they recognized leadership and responsibility. Meant serving others and not serving myself. For the folks on Flight. United ninety three. Again . Service meant. I'm going to take the risk. I'm in leadership . This is my opportunity to lead and. When leadership presented in itself to those people on. United ninety three . They went. And they sacrificed their lives knowing that they were going to serve their country . That's exactly what Chris did. The the story of the onset it is that he never forgot the responsibilities of his job . When they got to the place where the road ended and the tracks went off the road of the folks that they were pursuing . Chris recognize that. To follow those tracks would do more harm to the environment . So he parked the truck. Said. We don't take trucks out there. And because of his experience in running you know went after them . On foot . And when then was ambushed and that's how he lost his life. But he never thought about what was in it for him he said this is the job that I've agreed to do. I'm here to serve my country I'm here because I love . You know the National Park Service and . He ended up sacrificing his life. But the same thing that they have to do is they have that we have to recognize is that the individuals that we put on the front line . As they've defined. Leadership to mean service. We need to view it the same way. Leadership now means that. What's in this for me. Politically. What are the political costs and quantum consequences. But it is . How do we serve our constituents . How do we serve this country. And how do we serve those that we put on the front line. And the way that we serve them on the front line. Is to provide them with clarity of what we want them to do. And I think they have that. At least within that thirty mile section they see clarity. They see . It's our job to secure that border. That's . That's what we thought borders were for. What maybe has it been so clear back to us here in Washington . Is taking the steps and leadership. That will actually equip. These individuals to do that job. You know Chris . It's my duty to serve my country . Protecting the borders and maintaining the integrity of the borders and stopping drugs from coming in here illegally and stopping others from coming in here illegally that's all part of my job. There's no of lack of clarity there. The only lack of clarity that. They may have within the next. National Park Service is . If they're asking us to do all of this . Why doesn't the rhetoric out of Washington always match. What they're asking us to do . And maybe a little confused about that . And then in some cases and maybe even. Too often . It's. Why haven't they given us the resources to properly. Do our job. Now there's no question that for any sovereign nation . Protecting the borders. And providing integrity of the borders is a key component of being a sovereign nation. And keeping your people safe. There's that . That is a well established fact that that is one of the things that governments do . And the. We just need to make sure that the folks that we asked to do that we recognize and give them the resources to make sure that they can do that job and do it very very effectively. One of the ways and again Reclaiming my time one of the ways in which this. This whole issue can be described in includes a connection to the war on terrorism . Because it is not only the southern border. That. Where we see this kind of activity but . As I say I just returned a little bit ago from the northern border. Place near the Canadian border. Called bonders Ferry Idaho. And and. The all of the activity up there of the border patrol of the few US Forest Service . And in this case there were one hundred Marines that had been assigned the task of trying to determine whether they could interact with the Border Patrol and and. U.S. Forest Service for the purpose of. Of trying to defend just one little chunk of border just see what we can do if we combine our efforts.

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    MR. TANCREDO

    Hundred Marines. Three drones we were using you all do you know they were…

    Hundred Marines. Three drones we were using you all do you know they were using old those unmanned aerial vehicles. Flying across the border. Flying along the border. It's the same ones the first generation type were used in the first Gulf War . And a couple of radar. Towers and. And of course. What we saw was a large amount of drug activity large amount of people coming across that area . Carrying drugs. When I was out there I was told that there is a very large Muslim population in Calgary Canada . Again. Kind of surprising in a way . Almost twenty five thousand people living there Muslims living there and they are connected in a large number of them are connected with the. Trade in the component parts of methamphetamine . Shipping them in into the United States through Canada . They cook it. Down here make the drugs sell it. Money goes back to these. To the Muslims in Calgary to this group . The drug trade group. And they use the money of course to support terrorist activities all over the world. So when we keep talking about this is being a war on our But borders it is quite literally a war and. It is again something I think that so few of our colleagues . Even here perhaps really understand they they just don't see it in the same they look at it again. Just what they see in their own districts. That's understandable . But when you get to the border as we say. You see. You see illegal immigration in the form of drug trafficking . Trafficking . Gun running sex illicit illicit sex trade. Human smuggling . Economic crimes these are all part of what's going on on the border and . I just want to say that it is. It is a pleasure to be here with my. My colleague Mr. Hoekstra. To honor as little as we can here as few as I said it at Chris's funeral when someone has given the full measure of devotion . What words can we possibly use to try and sav the wounds that are created by that event . There are few if any that we can utter. That will give solace to his parents . Give comfort to his friends. And rest to his soul God God is in charge of that and we place . His family his friends and all of the people who work. Every single day . In the same capacity as Chris. To help defend America we place them in God's hands. And ask for his blessing on them all and for us here in this body. For the task he lays ahead of us. To help support him . And America and I just. Yeah I think my friend for joining me today. And I think the. You know I when I went to Central Asia and you've spent a lot of time on the border and sometimes our colleagues are sometimes our constituents even ask us you know why do you go. Or they get some kind of a a junket. You know it's to go to see a couple they it's to go to see these these Kris's around the border. Around the world who are on the front lines each and every day. To put a face . Put a face with the people on the frontline in Central Asia. I was over there and . You know I got to took a video camera I've got about. You know I ran into ten or twelve constituents who are who are in K two who are at the mosque. The Moscow embassy. You know who are on the U.S. George Washington who are involved Reagan . And you know what we did is we . We

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    MR. HOEKSTRA

    asked. We just asked him to send a message back home . And you know I…

    asked. We just asked him to send a message back home . And you know I asked and who do you want me to call and . You know you. You end up calling parents. Husbands. Grandparents and . You know each of these Kris's around the world . Have loved ones that care deeply about them . And so we go to number one. Just to meet our constituents and to demonstrate that we care and we're concerned about the environment that we put them in and the second reason we go and you've done this. Along the border. Is to find out whether we've given them the resources to do the job and. What you've tragically found out in Arizona is that we maybe have a given them resources and we haven't paid as much attention to this issue as what is what we should have. And for us to put our. Our front line folks and . That type of a position you've identified it . We. Congressman All longer say we didn't know. We now now . And it's now our responsibility to respond and we are going to have the opportunity to do that through the appropriations process . I think this year where we can maybe move more human resources down to. Organ Pipe and also where we can help construct some type of a. Barrier to allow the more sophisticated . Illegal crossings to stop. We'll back . Yes and I certainly hope that we will do that I hope that we will begin a process that will eventually lead to our being able to tell our constituents . That we are living up to the commitment. We have made to try and protect and defend this nation. No matter what we do it is possible . Of course. That someone may come across these borders to do us harm we may not be able to get everyone who tries that is true. But we can do so much more than we are presently doing. We can use technology. Along with human resources . So much more effectively than we are presently doing. It just takes. Willpower. In many ways I look at Chris and others and I think of them as. The folks who went to serve in Vietnam . We asked them to go . We put them in harm's way. We told them the country needed them.

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    them. But there was no real will to win the war . And we left them sort of…

    them. But there was no real will to win the war . And we left them sort of out on a limb . And we're still paying the price for that. For what we did . To the men and women who served in the Armed Forces in Vietnam. By sending them to a war that we really and truly were not committed to win . And that is sometimes how I view the situation. On the border with Chris the Border Patrol that and and the Park Service. Border Patrol . Customs agents. For service people. We've put them there . But I don't know whether or not we really have the will to win this war and. It. It tests our metal. Here as well as theirs to determine how far we're willing to go what are we willing to do here in this body. To say that this is not going to happen again or. To say that in fact . We're serious about trying to defend the nation. We are about. Well . Perhaps we are going to be sending men and women off again. Into harm's way in Iraq. We are told that this is a distinct possibility. The president may be coming to the Congress in a very short time asking for our support of that endeavor. Do we think for a moment. That if we in fact. Move forward on that and I tend to believe that we have to do that. But do we think for a moment . That there won't be ramifications in the United States. To think for a moment . That people that Saddam Hussein frack. For instance believes that he can win a war in Iraq. Against our military might know. He knows that is not possible . He knows that we are most vulnerable here . And he will try to bring the battle to us . We are told. Every day. That another attack in the United States is imminent. Well how logical does it seem to you or any of our colleagues I wonder that we will spend an enormous amount of our treasure . And our human resources . In places. Thousands of miles away which again I'm not going to argue right now. As to whether or not it's appropriate I tend to think it is. But we are doing nothing significant on our own border . Is this not . The height of folly . Is this not . So every sponsible of us. To to not recognize that we are laying ourselves bare laying ourselves open. To greater attacks. And yes. We are looking internally on how to deal with who they are maybe we're trying to find them when they're here. Why not try to stop them before they get here . We may not be Absolutely. Able to do it for every single every single person. For every single threat. But we can do far more than we're doing. And just that. If we do that if we if we commit to it if we put the troops. If we use the military on our border. To help support the Park Service the Border Patrol. And the Forest Service. We will have been. We will have done I think a service to Chris. And to the others who face danger . Every single day down there. And we will be doing our job. It is our responsibility here. It is not asking us to go the extra mile for having a say it is asking us . And the president of the United States to do exactly what we're supposed to do. As being the folks who are supposed to direct the resources the nation. To its defense. And I fear that we are not doing it today. And if there's anything . You know . Of course represent Columbine. The school in which such a tragedy occurred just a few years ago. And it was the most horrendous event I've ever gone through in public life and. I . I keep thinking about the fact that there were some good things that have happened and in every single . Horrible event something good. Does come out of it . We have to pray that this is the case . And it usually is. And. Out of Chris's death. Something good has got to happen here. And that is that we will . In fact redouble our efforts . Triple our efforts to protect his colleagues and. Our constituents. From the forces of evil. That are directed against us. I feel that that's what he would want us to do. I think and I don't mean just just the. Al-Qaeda agents the cells that are operating I mean . The forces of evil who are importing drugs sex slaves all the rest are coming across this border . For the purposes of poisoning our sick. Our children and our culture. We have an. It is . It is certainly . We also have a responsibility internally to do what we can to restructure the. The culture to reinvigorate our own culture . And to imbue it with what is good and right and just. But at the same time. We must do everything we can to make sure that it. That these people cannot just come into the country. At their will. Just as you said . As my colleague said from. When he was talking about the fact that this is our Congress is . This is our responsibility . We can't ignore it . We can't walk away from it and. It would be the best possible . Moral we could give. I think to Chris I agree with the Speaker I yield back the balance of my time. Gentleman years back. One of the speakers announced policy January trade two thousand and one the gentlewoman from the District of Columbia Mr Norton . Is recognized for sixty minutes as the designate of the minority leader. Because norm . Thank you Mr BAKER. I've come to Florida speak this afternoon because of my concern about the nature of the conversation about our country . That is taking place at this time. This is a complicated country. I have prided myself on serving in this body. In no small part because this body and the other party. And the other body . Have been so good. At grappling with the full range of issues that confront our country.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Yet . As I stand back and look at the kind of conversation we were having…

    Yet . As I stand back and look at the kind of conversation we were having before. We recessed. Conversation about corporate abuse about the economy . And about world affairs . I

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    MS. NORTON

    . I see a very different picture from the picture I see now . Of the…

    . I see a very different picture from the picture I see now . Of the oxygen . In this place . And in the . Has been taken up with Iraq . Now Iraq is a matter of major concern . I have not heard or read a single analyst or member of this body that does not believe that Saddam is a man to be taken seriously and to have a serious strategy for dealing with there may be differences about how to how to deal with them. But the danger he poses . All to Muttley is not a matter of debate. What to do about him . Is of course a matter of serious debate . But the fact is that there is almost no chance . Wherever you stand on Iraq had Saddam Hussein . That we will enter. Iraqi before the election . That kind of wag the dog . Approach to foreign affairs is something I don't believe . This president would engage and indeed Mr Biden. Of the of the other body has indicated that in his conversations with the administration he certainly does not believe that there would be some quick entry . Of our country into a preemptive. A preemptive strike that's why we're having a conversation now that I that I predict. Will go on for some time . Because the case is not even begun to be made our president is going to the U.N. only tomorrow. Or this week. Yet talk of Irak. Has completely displaced. What. I think my colleagues at home. Have found. Is what the American people believe is a clear and present danger now. A clear and present danger now is the absence of a domesticity. Agenda. On will scream. For them to see . As we approach November. As for Iraq . The president still has said he has not even made up his mind what to do. The president says he thinks we will have to strike. Who says Sadam at some point but then. Is quick to say but I have made up my mind . What to do. My question is Has the president made up his mind and have. We made up our mind. What to do. About what confronts the American people. Each and every day . And that is the economy . That drives how they live their lives. We cannot allow . Debate about the possibility of a war abroad . To For close . Debate about. Urgent issues right here at home . Now. Unless you've not been listening to your constituents I know you are hearing . What I'm hearing. Is this a jobless recovery . Because we still see people losing jobs . Some people don't like to use the word jobless recovery. But even the most conservative analysts will use the word slow recovery . And there's a reason for that we've got unemployment now at five point seven percent that's our. That's a huge jump . From this time a year ago. Nine point six percent for blacks. People are seeing here . And the cost of health insurance from their employer straight to them. So that they're having to bear most more excuse me more of the cost of health insurance . Than they had to bear this time last year always a danger signal. That there's something happening in the economy that I better be . Careful about . Perhaps the greatest and most . Conclusive evidence that something is wrong with the economy. Is what is happening to states and localities . Throughout the United States. Faced with huge deficits . My own city has found that the effect of. Of the. Slow recovery or no recovery many places . People no longer pay the kinds of capital gains they were paying for example. No longer have the kind of disposable income yielding taxes a very high and various kinds of state and local government. The effect of . That is that state and local budgets are plummeting all over the country and states. Are scrambling simply to find another for money to make it through with the bare necessities . That state and local governments must provide. That is something that virtually every state and local government. In the United States is experiencing now we have it. In this region . Which is among the most prosperous. In the country we have it in Maryland we have it in Virginia we have it in the District of Columbia. And we have it in virtually every state in the union . And we see the effect . We know why. There is this effect on state and local budgets and. The effect on our own deficit . Which is growing like topsy. We know it. From bankruptcy in airlines. We know. And from. The fact that a million companies employ a million people . Less than they employed . A year ago . We know it. From layoffs . And Major sectors layoffs continue and manufacturing . Layoffs continue in retail . We know it because of the higher cost of terrorism insurance something we must get completed before this House and Senate. Go home for the elections . Because every place now . Which is exposed to the public . Is beginning to experience increases in the insurance. Entry says that are quite extraordinary . Not only here in the nation's capital where some might have expected it. But any place there is a facility where large numbers of people meet . Or where is even in rural areas where there may be some sensitive McKim sensitive . Facilities nearby. I'm particularly concerned that in the face of this situation . With virtually no conversation going on in the media . Or in this body about the timing. We see that the American people . Turn on the television and say When is somebody going talk about me. Claims for unemployment we're thirty three percent above what they were a year ago . Most states have not kept the recommended reserves in their unemployment. Trust funds just when they are most needed . And pathetically. Nineteen states have increased the. Earnings requirement in order to qualify for unemployment insurance . While only one state. Has reduced the earnings requirement. This at a time when a recent article we learned that . If you make fifty thousand dollars per year . Sorry if you make less than fifty thousand dollars per year. Your chance of being laid off . Is forty three percent. Greater than if you earned more than fifty thousand dollars a year I do not know how . Lower middle class and low income people make it in times like this and I do not understand why. We would not be talking about these issues. Why they are off the radar screen. Because they are on the minds of all of our constituents. Last year . Only thirty eight percent of the job was even qualified for unemployment insurance if you are a part time worker or if you are a lower paid worker if you are a temporary worker. You have been written off for unemployment insurance very often because when. The great statute was passed those kinds of workers were far less . Numerous. And we have not done our job to revise our own statute . To take into account . The new employment trends employment trends that have been with us now for a full generation . One of the reasons of course for this . Jobless the recovery . Is that after the September the eleventh the economy seemed to ride along just fine . And we thought well isn't this something. They hear us. And it didn't make much difference. We all are to the American people for making sure that they continue to live their lives including live. Live their lives in the economy . Because this economy. Was was driven on has been driven along for some time . By consumer spending and consumers. Continue to spend . After September the eleventh. It is clear as the nose on your face however that consumers have now lost confidence in the economy . And the reason you know it is because they stop spending now they say they are counted for. Two thirds of a consumers account for two thirds of all the economic activity . In our economy in the first place so let them stop spending . And you begin to feel it very quickly and that's what they've stopped doing and wouldn't have a view. I say to my colleagues. Stop spending as much as you were spending . I don't know anybody who's spending the way they were five years ago. Because they're too many uncertainties in the economy. And there's too little discussion here or elsewhere about what to do about those uncertainties. After nine eleven in order to keep people spending. You had all kinds of approaches . Among retailers reductions. The no interest cars. No interest financing on cars . But it seems pretty clear that consumers have had it up to here to and I can understand why . Household debt is now seventy five percent of the gross domestic product. And you get that much debt. I don't care how much you want to spend. You're probably going to think very hard . Before continuing on . The All American spending spree . That the country has been on for some years now . And I'm not at all criticizing. Americans either for spending or for deciding that the time to spend. Should end. I believe that they have a right to expect guidance from us on what we're going to do about it and I believe they're getting guidance neither from us nor from the Bush administration. We've got to look forward. And not only look backward. To the good old days . When the economy was so flush and looked like it would never stop expanding. The economy has . Been jolted to understand that that kind of expansion can go on forever. And if it can't go on forever we've got to explain to the American people what to expect . And one thing we can expect . Is that the Terrible . Budget cuts . That the states and localities are having to do this year will continue for the indefinite future . Because. Because when. When you cut. This year you. You find. The problem rolls over. For two three maybe even four or five years in my own district . The chief financial officer. Has said that he thinks that the city must have a five year plan. That indicates that our budget. Will be balanced not only this year . By making the kind of of terrible cuts that we hear in all across the country are having to make . But that we won't simply roll over . The problem. To other years . And so you've got to look at a series of cuts that are going to continue for some kind of because the kind of exuberance one. Saw in the market was indeed reflected. In state and local budgets and yes. In spending by the American people. I don't come to the floor today . To say to my colleagues. All right what's the answer. Let's write the answer clearly so the American people can see what I do come to the floor to say . Is that we should be debating not only foreign affairs but domestic affairs. We should not only be debating what should happen in Iraq and Afghanistan where we still have us there of war. In the Middle East all of these are all of the top concern and priority. But there are equal priority concerns on the domestic front . And when we have been at our great as it is. Then when we have shown the world we know how to walk and chew gum at the same time. That is the challenge before us today. Not to shortchange the domestic agenda at a time when we have a slow recovery . When Americans don't know where they are they are. They are next health care premium is coming from. When corporate abuse. The corporate abuse. Statute we have passed has yet to prove itself . When companies are still coming forward with restatements of earnings. All of that is still on the screen and. Our constituents still need to hear from House. A balance the basic. What are you going to do about Iraq and what are you going do about home. I comes of Florida ask. That we initiate that debate that the relevant committees . Help us to become involved in that debate that we ourselves take on the role of restoring confidence in the consumer. So that the consumer feels that it is safe once again to spend . Because they have in Washington. A Congress. And a president who knows how to guide us during. Troubled Times . They don't have that now . When we have a balanced conversation and a balance debate about the two great book in . The domestic and the foreign. I think we will restore the confidence in the economy that we know now. Has vanished . Thank you Mr Speaker and yield back the balance of my time . Gentleman yield back the balance of the. The chairman now be pleased to entertain a motion to adjourn . Mr Speaker I move the house to now adjourn. Question is on the motion to adjourn those in favor say aye those opposed No the eyes have it no motion is agreed to Accordingly the House stands adjourned until noon tomorrow . September the eleventh two thousand and two . Tomorrow the House begins at noon Eastern . Members will debate the Patriot Day resolution. It relates to the September eleventh terrorist attack remembrance . And is the only legislative business that's scheduled for the day. A vote on that resolution is scheduled for five P.M. Eastern . Live coverage here on C.-SPAN . The Senate on our companion network. C.-SPAN to .

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115th Congress - House
Total Hours: 1450 (After 624 days)
  • Debate672 Hours
  • Special Orders284 Hours
  • Votes227 Hours
  • One Minute Speeches118 Hours
  • Morning Hour105 Hours
  • Opening Procedures8 Hours

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Source: Resume of Congressional Activity (senate.gov)