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House Session - October 10, 2002
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    Thank you for being with our lives.

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    So we thank you for us as one nation and and lowered the we thank you for…

    So we thank you for us as one nation and and lowered the we thank you for calling .

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    and and lowered the we thank you for calling . These two men and women. To…

    and and lowered the we thank you for calling . These two men and women. To be for this nation face . And true representatives. Have a new father . And neighbor These are men and women. Of Congress . To lead our country with a passion and help them to embrace diversity . To strengthen our country. And keep it in a visible. Gave it a reach and determination to oppose free liberty . Feel to them with the wisdom and impartiality . To meet. Justice for all for your glory and honor. We pray these things. In Jesus' name and . The house . On the journal stranger pro. Pledge Allegiance today will be offered by the gentleman from Wisconsin Mr Green. I pledge allegiance to the flag and you're probably just because of all you trust me .

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  • 09:02:59 AM

    THE SPEAKER

    . John from Wisconsin we recognize for one minute all other one minutes…

    . John from Wisconsin we recognize for one minute all other one minutes will be at the end of today's business . Thank you Mr Speaker . But

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  • 09:03:17 AM

    MR. GREEN

    Speaker it is my honor . Today to introduce our guest chaplain this…

    Speaker it is my honor . Today to introduce our guest chaplain this morning Reverend one. Saying least senior pastor of the Korean Presbyterian Church in Vienna Virginia I do this on behalf of the gentleman from Virginia Congressman Davis . Reverend Lee has been a spiritual leader in the eleventh District of Virginia for over twenty five years. And you spearheaded this churches. Efforts towards community outreach both locally and internationally . Reverently as president of seed International a mission agency which provides support to missions around the world including the United States. And

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  • 09:03:44 AM

    THE SPEAKER

    provides support to missions around the world including the United States.…

    provides support to missions around the world including the United States. And Korea is also a moderator for the coalition of the Korean churches and the Presbyterian Church in America . And co-chairs

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  • 09:03:51 AM

    MR. GREEN

    churches and the Presbyterian Church in America . And co-chairs the Korean…

    churches and the Presbyterian Church in America . And co-chairs the Korean world mission Council for Christ. Reverend Lee Ernest be a in philosophy from came Young University and an Emmy and philosophy from the counting book. University in Korea. He's also earned a theological master in the Old Testament from the Dallas Theological Seminary. And a master of arts in Near Eastern Studies from the University of Pennsylvania . And of Ember two thousand and one Reverend Leigh receive the Virginia governor's award for his outstanding religious institution in Richmond Virginia . This award was granted for his work in the Korean Central senior center. Where your service chairman of the board of directors since one thousand nine hundred four earlier this year reverently was asked to leave the Virginia State House of Delegates. With opening prayer in Richmond Virginia. I asked my colleagues in the house. To join myself and Congressman Davis in welcoming reverently to this chamber . Pursuant to section three of House Resolution five seventy four will not resume one House Joint Resolution one one for which the clerk will now report by title. House Joint Resolution one fourteen. JOINT resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq . When proceedings were postponed on the ledge. Slated day of Wednesday October ninth two thousand and two all time for debate on the joint resolution as amended had expired . Under Section one. Of House Resolution five seventy four. It is now in order to consider Amendment Number one printed in House report . One zero seven

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . One zero seven dash seven two for what purpose does the gentle lady from…

    . One zero seven dash seven two for what purpose does the gentle lady from California arise. Thank you Mr Speaker and I have an amendment at the desk. The clerk will designate the amendment.

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  • 09:05:33 AM

    THE CLERK

    Amendment the nature of a substitute number one printed in House report…

    Amendment the nature of a substitute number one printed in House report number one of seven seven twenty four. Offered by Ms Lee of California .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Pursuant to House Resolution five seventy four The gentlewoman from…

    Pursuant to House Resolution five seventy four The gentlewoman from California Miss Levy and a member opposed each will control thirty minutes . The chair recognizes the gentleman from California. Thank you Mr Speaker I I yield as much time as much. I may consume gentle ladies recognized. And I ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks Without objection so ordered. Thank you Mr Speaker . Today our nation is debating in the very profound question. Of

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  • 09:06:06 AM

    MS. LEE

    very profound question. Of War and Peace . And the

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . And the structure and nature . Of international

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    THE CLERK

    . Of international relations. In the twenty first century . Before us…

    . Of international relations. In the twenty first century . Before us today . Is they

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  • 09:06:18 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    serious. And fundamental question of life and death . Whether or not this…

    serious. And fundamental question of life and death . Whether or not this Congress will give the president . Authority to commit this nation to war . Always a question of the greatest importance . Our

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    MS. LEE

    question of the greatest importance . Our decision to day is further…

    question of the greatest importance . Our decision to day is further weighted by the fact that we are being asked to sign ssion a new foreign policy doctrine . That gives the president

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    ssion a new foreign policy doctrine . That gives the president

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    MS. LEE

    ssion a new foreign policy doctrine . That gives the president

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    ssion a new foreign policy doctrine . That gives the president

  • 09:06:42 AM

    MS. LEE

    the power to launch a unilateral. And preemptive. First strike against…

    the power to launch a unilateral. And preemptive. First strike against Iraq. Before we have utilized our diplomatic options . My amendment provides an option . And the time to pursue it. Its goal is to give the United Nations. Inspections process . A chance to work. It provides an option. Short of war with the. Object. Of protecting the American people and the world . From any threat posed by Iraqi weapons of mass destruction . The amendment. Urges the United States to reengage the diplomatic process . And it stresses. Our government's commitment to eliminating any Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Through United Nations inspections and enhanced containment . It emphasizes the potentially dangerous . And disastrous long term consequences for the United States of codified in the president's announced. Doctrine of preemption. The administration's resolution. Forecloses alternatives to war before . We have even tried to pursue them . We do not need to rush to war. And we should not rush to war. If what we are worried about is the defense of the United States and its people . We do not need this resolution . If the United States truly faced an imminent attack from anywhere . The president has all of the authority in the world to ensure our defense. Based on the Constitution. The War Powers Act . And the United Nations charter. Our own intelligence agencies report that there is currently little chance of chemical and biological attack . From Saddam Hussein on U.S. forces or territories . But they emphasize that an attack could become much more likely if. Iraqi. Believes that it is about to be attacked. This is a frightening and dangerous . Potential consequence. That requires sober. Bought and careful. Reflection. President Bush's doctrine of preemption violates international law. The United Nations charter . And our own long term security interests. It will set a precedent that. Could come back to haunt us. Do we want to see our claim to preemption. Echoed by other countries maintaining that they perceive similar threats India Pakistan China or Taiwan . Russia or Georgia. I would submit that we would have little . Moral authority to urge other countries. To resist launching preemptive strikes themselves . This approach threatens to destabilize the Middle East. Unleash new forces of terrorism and instability and completely derail any prospects for peace in the region. Huma lateral ism. Is not the answer. Iraqi weapons of mass destruction are a problem to the world community and we must confront it. And we should do so through the United Nations. Multilateralism and steadfast commitment to international law should be the guiding principle as we move into the twenty first century . As I said. The purpose of my amendment . Is to let the United Nations. Do its work . Let's give inspections and other containment mechanisms a chance to succeed once again. Inspections did make real progress. In the nominating weapons of mass destruction in the one nine hundred ninety S.. Despite Saddam Hussein's best effort at obstruction and deceit . U.N. inspectors destroyed large stockpiles of chemical weapons . Missiles and weapons of mass destruction. We can and should renewed. And expand this process. In addition to inspections . We should improve border monitoring through an enhanced containment system to prevent. Shipments of nuclear materials or other weapons to Iraq . And we should install surveillance technology on the border . To detect such materials . As part of enhanced containment. We should work with the countries bordering Iraq . And with regional sleeper warts to ensure that the United Nations Security Council resolutions are. Forced. And we should plug holes in the current. Arms embargo blanket . We should also work on nonproliferation efforts globally to secure weapons materials. All of these are diplomatic options that we can and should undertake . And which can lead to success . What we are doing today is building the framework for twenty first century international relations. It will either be a framework of unilateralism. And insecurity or multilateral cooperation . And security. It's our choice . During the Cold War of the words. First Strike. Builders with fear. They should still should. And I am really appalled that a democracy . Our democracy is contemplating thinking. Such a taking such a fearsome step . And really sending such a terrible. International precedent. That could be devastating for global stability and for our own moral authority . We are contemplating sending our young men and women. To War. Where they will be doing the killing and the dime . And we as representatives of the American people have no idea where this action will take us where it will end. And what price. We will pay . In terms of lives and resources. This too. Should cause us to pause. We have choices however . And we have an obligation to pursue them. To give you an inspections and enhanced containment. A chance to work . What this resolution . Does state very clearly and firmly is that the United States will work. To disarm Iraq. Through United Nations inspections and . Other diplomatic tools. It states that we reject the doctrine of preemption . And it reaffirms. Our commitment to our own security and national interests through my. Do you lateral diplomacy. Not unilateral attack urge to protect our national interests. By giving the United Nations a chance . By supporting this amendment if it does not or close . Any future options. Thank you and I reserve the balance of my time. The reserves a balance of our time for what purposes the gentleman from Illinois . Rise. Mr Speaker I rise in opposition to the amendment and I claim the time in opposition. Gentleman is recognized for thirty minutes . Thank you Mr Speaker . I rise in the strong opposition to the amendment in the nature of a substitute offered by the gentle lady from California. I certainly don't mean to offend her she's one of the. Very good members of the House International Relations Committee but. I think her Amendment suffers from terminal and. Anemia.

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  • 09:14:03 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    It's like slipping someone an aspirin who's just been hit by a freight…

    It's like slipping someone an aspirin who's just been hit by a freight train . Let's review said.

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  • 09:14:09 AM

    MR. HYDE

    said. Hussein's pattern of lawlessness he is employing the vast wealth of…

    said. Hussein's pattern of lawlessness he is employing the vast wealth of his country . And the

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    is employing the vast wealth of his country . And the

  • 09:14:17 AM

    MR. HYDE

    legion of capable scientists and technicians to develop. Biological…

    legion of capable scientists and technicians to develop. Biological chemical and nuclear weapons at the expense of food and medicine. For women and children of Iraq . He invades neighboring countries continues his support for some of the world's most notorious terrorists . And the groups that support them . In the mid one nine hundred ninety S. U.N. weapons inspectors on earth detailed drawings for constructing a nuclear device . In one nine hundred ninety eight the International Atomic Energy Agency began dismantling. Nuclear weapons facilities in Iraq including three . Your rainy and enrichment plants over the past decade. He subjected tens of thousands of political opponents. To arbitrary. Arrest imprisonment starvation mutilation and rape. And on Monday night President Bush announced that possesses a growing fleet. Of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles. That could be used to disperse his stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons across broad areas . While set down repeated Lee violates the myriad of U.N. Security Council resolutions passed since nine hundred ninety one the world watches. The world waits . And the world does nothing. So how does supporters of the lease substitute proposed to respond to sit downs continuing affront to international law and norms. With conciliation. And negotiation. For eleven years the international community has attempted to do just that . Weapons inspectors have been banned from Iraq since one thousand nine hundred ninety eight . During the seven years inspectors were permitted in the country. Their efforts were undermined by Iraqi coercion and cover up . And the gentle lady is certainly correct . That the United States should work to build an international consensus . To ferret out and destroy Saddam's weapons of mass destruction and as we speak the Bush administration. Is engaging . The United Nations to employ arms to force Saddam to comply with. Security Council resolutions . But in the last analysis the security of the United States cannot be held hostage to a failure . By the United Nations to act . Because of a threat of a Security Council veto by Russia or China or France . The least upset to to sensually advocates. The futile policies of the previous decade. And fails to recognize the United States as a south. We're a nation. With an absolute right of self-defense . A Right clearly recognized by Article fifty one of the UN Charter. Without a strongly worded congressional resolution that gives the president the flexibility he needs . The Iraqi regime will have no incentive to comply with existing or new UN resolutions only. Clear and direct action of this Congress . Will send the essential message to the United Nations that the current stalemate must and only resolute. Action by this Congress can ensure the peace . That all of us claim as a goal . The least substitute is a well intentioned but perilous recipe for inaction . Based on wishful thinking. And that's what makes it so dangerous. We've had more than a decade of obfuscation by Saddam Hussein . At what point do the United States . And the international community say enough is enough allies enough of Asians enough duplicity enough Rod enough deception . In the rough . I think the time is now come and I urge. A no vote on this amendment . And reserve the balance of my time . The gentleman from Illinois reserves the balance of his time gentle lady from California. Is recognized Thank you I yield one minute to the gentleman from Oregon Mr De Fazio Mr De Fazio is recognized for one minute . This resolution represents neither . Conciliation nor negotiation. It's a resolution for continued containment deterrence. That would be bolstered by intrusive . Effective forced unfettered inspections . They work before they can work again. The most of this positive report on how effective the. Inspections work came from Tony Blair . To the parliament

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  • 09:19:09 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Tony Blair . To the parliament . He said in there that. They

  • 09:19:13 AM

    MS. LEE

    that. They destroyed. Ford and. Then I am a saint do not cooperate . He…

    that. They destroyed. Ford and. Then I am a saint do not cooperate . He tried to

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  • 09:19:18 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    hide the stuff he couldn't hide it. These inspections work. Forty thousand

  • 09:19:22 AM

    MR. DEFAZIO

    munitions for chemical weapons two thousand six hundred ten tons of…

    munitions for chemical weapons two thousand six hundred ten tons of chemical precursors . Dismantling of their prime chemical weapons development production complex and of the destruction of forty eight Scout type missiles. The removal and destruction of the infrastructure for the nuclear weapons program including the Alba thier weaponization . Testing facility . Intrusive . Unfettered inspections . With our allies will work. This cowboy. Go it alone to heck with our allies the heck with the rest of the world. You know. Principle with a an attack. You know before. We try this alternative is wrong . Gentleman's time has expired . The gentleman from Illinois. Mr Speaker and please feel Mr Linder of Georgia three minutes . Mr Lynn is recognized for three minutes . Next Speaker thanks gentleman for yielding . Mr Speaker I rise in opposition to the man offered by the gentleman from California it's really . Let us contemplate for a moment the ramifications of substituting this amendment for the underlying Hastert Gephardt resolution. If next February. Saddam Hussein. Limits the ability of U.N.

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  • 09:20:36 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    inspectors to check for weapons of mass destruction. The lead Amendment…

    inspectors to check for weapons of mass destruction. The lead Amendment says let's talk. If next April.

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  • 09:20:44 AM

    MR. HYDE

    April. Saddam Hussein killed several thousand innocent Iraqi men women and…

    April. Saddam Hussein killed several thousand innocent Iraqi men women and children.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Iraqi men women and children.

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    MR. LINDER

    Using biological agents. The lead Amendment says again . Let's talk. If…

    Using biological agents. The lead Amendment says again . Let's talk. If next June. A terrorist attempt to use a crude nuclear device . Facilitated by Iraq against a major U.S. city. The little amendment says . Let's talk . Mr Speaker the lack of enforcement contained in this amendment . Is a bit like a senior citizen trying to stop a mugging by suggesting the dance the polka supporters of this moment say let's support the return of weapons inspectors to Iraq . We've done that. They said Let's go to the U.N. for a solution . We've done that . They said let's engage our allies in this effort . I say again . We have done that . Mr Speaker what cannot be disputed today. Is that peace and freedom are the ends to which we now seek our means. President Bush has demand. Demonstrated the courage to lead. And. To draw a line in the sand . Now is the time for Congress to support his leadership . I'm proud to join a broad bipartisan coalition of members. By standing up to tyranny and oppression and opposition to freedom . By voting no on this amendment . By rejecting the spurious amendment we will ensure that America's Promise. To uphold the rule of law . And to protect the peace loving people the world. Actually has meaning. Generally from California. Thank ye old one minute to the gentle eighty from Michigan Congresswoman Carolyn Kilpatrick. Gentleman is recognized for one minute . Thank you I think you did a lady for Mr Speaker and members I rise in support of the only amendment . And as a co-sponsor of the amendment . That mimic ask what the American people want. Work through the United Nations. Work through that process and I want to report and you all know the United Nations it said yes . We will work with you we will go in we will have unfettered inspections and we will work and come back. It's not as if kind of situation it's a. Is and is that American people want the United Nations involved . And they

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  • 09:23:09 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    American people want the United Nations involved . And they

  • 09:23:11 AM

    MS. LEE

    . And they want the inspectors to go forward. And then a day determined to…

    . And they want the inspectors to go forward. And then a day determined to come back and we poured.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Our CIA our intelligence agency as we pointed to this Congress in this…

    Our CIA our intelligence agency as we pointed to this Congress in this nation.

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  • 09:23:18 AM

    MS. KILPATRICK

    agency as we pointed to this Congress in this nation. That there is no…

    agency as we pointed to this Congress in this nation. That there is no imminent threat that Saddam Hussein. Will attack America he does not have the capability. Let the U.N. process work. And that's what Liam him and ask . I reserve the balance of her time . Generally reserves abounds over time gentle and gentle ideals back . The balance of her time. Generally from California. Thank you I'd like to heal now one minute to the gentleman from Minnesota . Mr Oberstar. Mr over stars recognized for one minute . As unanimous consent revised on our going out of Jackson so ordered. Our constitution . And trust to Congress alone the power to declare war . A power we should invoke with great care and evidence of a clear and present danger to our country. President Bush has asked Congress to cede that power to him . To be wielded against Iraq . At a time of his choosing. With without or United Nations support. And

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  • 09:24:13 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    a unilateral preemptive strike. On his own determination of the level of…

    a unilateral preemptive strike. On his own determination of the level of threat. Iraq poses to our national security. I will not surrender. Our

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  • 09:24:21 AM

    MS. LEE

    constitutional authority. I will not vote for the committee resolution…

    constitutional authority. I will not vote for the committee resolution which confers upon the president . Fastrack

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    confers upon the president . Fastrack war making power . The president

  • 09:24:28 AM

    MR. OBERSTAR

    . The president should first when U.N. Security Council approval. Of a new

  • 09:24:31 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    approval. Of a new more rigorous round of arms inspections in Iraq . If…

    approval. Of a new more rigorous round of arms inspections in Iraq . If Iraq

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  • 09:24:33 AM

    MR. OBERSTAR

    of arms inspections in Iraq . If Iraq resists the international inspectors…

    of arms inspections in Iraq . If Iraq resists the international inspectors . And the mandate inspections fail the president should then. Obtain a Security Council authorization of force . As was done in one nine hundred ninety. Following which. He should ask Congress for approval to wage war against Iraq. The resolution offered by the gentleman from California respects the Constitution. And the American people and will give renewed diplomacy a chance . Time is expired gentle lady from California. Thank ye old one minute to the gentleman from California Mr John is recognized for one man. I think that generally for your link. Mr Speaker. I rise today in support of the leader Memon. In effect the leader members says that if there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq . We must work to seek and destroy these weapons with our allies . At the United Nations. The Memmott further indicates that we will not provide our stamp of approval for a unilateral preemptive strike. Unless

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  • 09:25:34 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    unilateral preemptive strike. Unless unless the administration can verify.

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    MS. LEE

    the administration can verify. An eminent threat to our nation.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Why should we change our national policy. For being defenders of freedom…

    Why should we change our national policy. For being defenders of freedom and democracy . To that of.

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  • 09:25:48 AM

    MR. HONDA

    . To that of. First Strike aggressors . This is a memo does not prevent…

    . To that of. First Strike aggressors . This is a memo does not prevent the president. From performing his constitutional duties. He is still. The commander and chief. Of this great nation however it is our constitutional duty. To declare war . We must not delegate our authority to declare war. To the executive branch . Support. The Lee . Amendment. Gentleman's time has expired. The gentleman from Illinois. Mr Hyde. Mr Speaker I'm pleased to yield three minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Wisconsin Mr Green. Mr Green's recognized for three minutes . I think the gentleman for yielding . Mr Speaker with due respect to the author of this amendment and the preceding speakers. I really believe that adopting this amendment would be worse for America than taking no action at all. Adopting this amendment would sanction and legitimize the shameful gamesmanship that Saddam Hussein has shown for eleven years . Saddam to use diplomacy without force as his personal game without rules. We

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  • 09:26:55 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    personal game without rules. We cannot . We dare not ignore his history.

  • 09:27:00 AM

    MR. HYDE

    history. Remember the world builds an oil for food program . And Saddam…

    history. Remember the world builds an oil for food program . And Saddam Hussein turns it.

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  • 09:27:07 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Into a way to rebuild his myth. His

  • 09:27:09 AM

    MR. GREEN

    military. And to amass personal wealth. The world build a no fly zone to…

    military. And to amass personal wealth. The world build a no fly zone to protect . Innocence from Iraqi aggression . And yet Iraqi forces have fired on coalition planes . Hundreds of times. This year alone. The world demands and Saddam agrees to destroy his biological and chemical weapons. Yet every objective observer says he still has them . And he is building more . The world demands and Iraq agrees to bring in international weapons inspectors . When they arrive There are told that thousands of buildings are off limits . They are delayed. They are hassled. Until they go home in frustration . Finally Saddam declares with a smile that he does not support terrorism . And yet every day. Including today. We learn more and more about the training the resources the protection that Saddam gives al Qaeda and others . Mr Speaker. This amendment. But it's ambiguous references to negotiation and resumption of weapons inspections. Would continue . That game . And fact it would have this house . Legitimize. That game. My colleague. The gentle lady Ms Lee speaks of the dangers of war and she is right. War is very dangerous . But the last eleven years have shown that giving Saddam Hussein diplomatic cover . To build weaponry. Terrible . Weaponry is even more dangerous there is a middle path . Diplomacy with teeth. It is the underlying . Resolution. That I support . Let's share all that we've learned our lessons . As many of said here today and yesterday and will say later today. The American people are watching what we do so as the world. And Mr Speaker . I would suggest to you. So is Saddam Hussein. Let's show Saddam Hussein. That the games are over. They will go on. No more let's vote against and reject the league. And I yield back gentlemen heels back the balance of his time . Generated from California. I yield one minute. To the gentleman from Washington. Mr McDermott Mr Mike Without objection so ordered the gentleman is recognized for one minute . Mr Speaker we should support the Lee amendment by giving unfettered. Unconditional support for U.N. inspections for disarmament . Our government has a history of undermining the United Nations . And has been particularly bad regarding Iraq. In one thousand nine hundred ninety we bribed and threatened and punished the Security Council. To force a vote endorsing our war . We bribed

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  • 09:29:47 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    poor countries with cheap Saudi oil . We bribe China with diplomatic…

    poor countries with cheap Saudi oil . We bribe China with diplomatic rehabilitation a new development aid. And

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  • 09:29:51 AM

    MS. LEE

    rehabilitation a new development aid. And we told Yemen . The only Arab…

    rehabilitation a new development aid. And we told Yemen . The only Arab country on the council . That it's vote

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  • 09:29:57 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    against our war would be the most expensive vote you ever cast. And then…

    against our war would be the most expensive vote you ever cast. And then we punished Yemen.

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  • 09:30:02 AM

    MR. MCDERMOTT

    Yemen. Poorest country in the Arab world with a cut off of our entire.…

    Yemen. Poorest country in the Arab world with a cut off of our entire. Seventy million dollar aid package. And we are trying to impose our war again on a reluctant United Nations . I hear the Yemen president is being recalled at the U.N. today . I hope that our friends and our allies who might be considering a different approach in the U.N. will not be intimidated by our unilateral abuse . Of this multilateral. Institution . The president can always call us back . If he's ready he says he's not ready. He said. War is not imminent . So why are we giving him of such an order . I ask unanimous consent to include in the record an article from The Guardian. In titled The US has been seeking to prevent a resolution of the Iraqi crisis for the past eight years . Without objection . The article will be included in the record. Leslie of California thank you I yield. One minute to the gentleman from Michigan Ms Rivers Trevor's is recognized for one minute. Thank you. I rise in support of this resolution for several reasons. First it retains Congress's constitutional authority and obligation to publicly act on any commitment of American troops or resources. To military action. Unlike the other two resolutions before us. It does not in doubt the president. With powers that do not exist . In the Constitution . Secondly it promotes a multilateral solution to the world's problems. It repudiates the administration's. Recently announced preemptive doctrine which would change the United States. From a

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  • 09:31:31 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    preemptive doctrine which would change the United States. From a world…

    preemptive doctrine which would change the United States. From a world wide defender of democracy into a first strike.

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  • 09:31:36 AM

    MS. LEE

    a first strike. Aggressor. On the world stage. And lastly and most…

    a first strike. Aggressor. On the world stage. And lastly and most importantly.

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  • 09:31:41 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    It does not preclude any further action by Congress should show consensus…

    It does not preclude any further action by Congress should show consensus change . Despite the

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  • 09:31:43 AM

    MS. RIVERS

    action by Congress should show consensus change . Despite the…

    action by Congress should show consensus change . Despite the hand-wringing that has gone on about our inability to deal with future. Instances . Of course the president is free to come back and ask the Congress for action. This is the best of the three resolutions before us and I hope my colleagues will support it. Thank you gentleman from California is recognized. Thank you now I would like to yield one minute to the gentleman from North Carolina . Mr Watt. To watch recognized for one minute. Best Speaker . I rise in support of the amendment . And courage of my colleagues to support the amendment. I've been very disappointed with. Number of my colleagues who have suggested to me that the levy Amendment. Is not viable . I submit to them that they must not have read . What the lay Amendment says it separately says that we resolve that the United States should work through the United Nations. To

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  • 09:32:43 AM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    through the United Nations. To seek to resolve the matter of ensuring that…

    through the United Nations. To seek to resolve the matter of ensuring that Iraq is not developing weapons of mass destruction through a mechanism such as the resumption of weapons inspections negotiation and Corey . Mediation

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  • 09:32:47 AM

    MS. LEE

    weapons inspections negotiation and Corey . Mediation

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    weapons inspections negotiation and Corey . Mediation

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    MR. WATT

    weapons inspections negotiation and Corey . Mediation regional.…

    weapons inspections negotiation and Corey . Mediation regional. Arrangements and. Other peaceful means . This is a peace. Peace. Resolution. A desire are to do everything . That is reasonably possible through peaceful means before we resort to . What is really and. And viable option . And that on viable option is war. I encourage my colleagues to support this resolution . And they are meant to this resolution. Gentleman's time has expired . Miss Lee of California is recognized once again . I yield. One minute to the gentle lady from . Talks has. Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee . Gentle lady from Texas is recognized for one minute . Survive next in my remarks. Without a ten minute order . Let me thank the distinguished lady from California and. EXPRESS The reason that I come to this floor because it is with a heavy heart. And I remind my colleagues as I know all of them are very conscious of.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    It is a question of life and death . That's why I rise to support the lay…

    It is a question of life and death . That's why I rise to support the lay Amendment because I believe. It does not preclude the constitutional duties . That this Congress

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    MS. LEE

    the constitutional duties . That this Congress hands and that is the…

    the constitutional duties . That this Congress hands and that is the singular duty to declare war. Might I note in her amendment that she pacifically notes that Iraq is not in compliance with the United Nations Security Council resolution.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Iraq is not in compliance with the United Nations Security Council…

    Iraq is not in compliance with the United Nations Security Council resolution. She acknowledges that the additional United Nations resolutions on inspections . That they are in

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    MS. JACKSON LEE

    inspections . That they are in noncompliance and that they violate…

    inspections . That they are in noncompliance and that they violate international law and Iraq cease fire.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    violate international law and Iraq cease fire.

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    MS. JACKSON LEE

    and Iraq cease fire. Obligations. Potentially endangers the United States…

    and Iraq cease fire. Obligations. Potentially endangers the United States and regional security interests. We know the dangers of Iraq. But what we also say to this body . That the president of the United States has every authority. To be able to protect the United States. Upon the basis of imminent danger . Of immediate danger. But what the president does not have . What we are seeking to do is. To give him authority for a first strike . Without the Constitutional obligation of Congress to declare war . I rise to support the amendment I yield back. Gentle it is time has expired. Miss Lee. I yield one minute to the gentle lady from California Congresswoman Lynn Woolsey . Said Ladies recognized for one minute. Thank you Mr Speaker I ask unanimous consent to revise and without objection so ordered. I rise in support of the Lee Amendment because it recognizes that in this time of crisis we have the opportunity to pursue a new vision for the world. This is an affirms the character of our nation and refutes mistaken. A camps. To use violence to bring about peace . We've been down that road before. It is time to choose a new way . My constituents understand this. They are

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    overwhelmingly opposed to the war in fact . They wish I had more than one…

    overwhelmingly opposed to the war in fact . They wish I had more than one vote today . A

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    MS. LEE

    vote today . A woman from Santa Rosa wrote to a local paper.

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    local paper. Asking and I quote. What

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    MS. WOOLSEY

    I quote. What would war with Iraq accomplish .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Iraq accomplish .

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    MS. WOOLSEY

    US aggression. Would only create more homeless and victimized. Refugees .…

    US aggression. Would only create more homeless and victimized. Refugees . More hatred of the United States by the rest of the world. And the deaths of our sons and daughters . In the military . She continues. Violence only creates more violence. The United States is the greatest the most powerful country in the world . We have the opportunity to be leaders. Of peace. Mr Speaker That's why I support the leave resolution. And oppose authorizing force in Iraq . Time is expired Miss Lee. Thank you Mr Speaker I yield one minute to the gentleman from California Mr Filner. Mr fillers recognize for one minute Thank you I think the. Gentle lady from California mislead she is a woman. Of courage a of woman peace and we thank you for your leadership. I heard the chairman Mr Hyde. Earlier. Worry about our status as a sovereign nation if this. Motion passes . This is a motion . Which makes our sovereign nation safer . In the twenty first century. The wars against terrorism. Those wars require and will require. International cooperation . We cannot go it alone in the twenty first century. We

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    century. We cannot go it alone in a war against terrorism. We must

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    MS. LEE

    terrorism. We must have the world community . With us. We will be

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    less safe. If we do not pass this resolution . America will be

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    MR. FILNER

    less safe if we pass the resolution that the president wants. We dilute…

    less safe if we pass the resolution that the president wants. We dilute our war against terrorism we increase the possibility of terrorists getting weapons of mass destruction. The al Qaeda. I would think would be cheering . The passage of the underlying resolution because the instability of the area person for example in Pakistan. What more get it would more likely give them a nuclear weapon. Let us work with the international community. Let us work with the United Nations. Let us follow the path of peace . But I support the Lee Amendment. Gentleman's time has expired . Gentleman from Illinois Mr Hyde. Mr Speaker and police to yield three minutes to the distinguished ranking member of the International Relations Committee Mr Lantos Lantos is recognized for three minutes . Thank you Mr Speaker and I want to thank my friend . Chairman of the committee for a year of doing. Mr Speaker . I first want to commend my friend and colleague from California . For her . Active and valuable contribution to the work of the International Relations Committee. And to the work of this house . I appreciate the views of my colleague from California .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    the views of my colleague from California . And I share her view that we…

    the views of my colleague from California . And I share her view that we must exhaust all diplomatic and peaceful means for disarming Saddam Hussein.

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    MR. HYDE

    peaceful means for disarming Saddam Hussein.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Hussein. And we all agree that war can be only our very last resort .

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    MR. LANTOS

    can be only our very last resort . Indeed Mr Speaker . The joint…

    can be only our very last resort . Indeed Mr Speaker . The joint resolution before us . Supports the diplomatic process. At the United Nations . And it requires the president. To exhaust all peaceful means . Before resorting to war. Our distinguished secretary of state Colin Powell. Is working nonstop at the United Nations. To move towards a peaceful and diplomatic resolution of this crisis . And I fully support . Secretary Powell sir for it's. However Mr Speaker I strongly believe that our diplomacy will achieve its purpose only. If the Iraqi regime knows that our sort of Damocles . Hangs over its head. Our joint. Bipartisan resolution. Represents that statement. Of resolve. I am also concerned that my friend's Amendment. Disregards the very serious threat posed by Iraq's sponsorship. Of international terrorism . Clearly a serious danger to the security and safety of the United States. I am convinced misspeak or. That the bipartisan and by camera like agreement reached with the White House . Is approaching a final decision . In both the House . And the Senate. Are chances of obtaining the support of friends and allies . Will be dramatically increased by our show of decisiveness. And unity in this house. This is not the time to on the raffle an agreement. That is on the verge of ratification. It is for the many other reasons that I regret fully. And respectfully oppose the gentle lady and I yield back the balance of my time . Gentleman yield back the balance of his time. Leslie. Thank you I him when many to the gentleman from California and Mr Starr. Gentleman is recognized for one minute. I ask you that I was content to revise and extend my remarks Without objection so ordered to speak proud to rise in support of the resolution of the amendment. But my distinguished colleague a neighbor from California Barbara Lee . And the reason that we should support her Amendment is that. It's very simple. There is absolutely no evidence that any thinking person .

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    absolutely no evidence that any thinking person .

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    MS. LEE

    Could give that says we are in any danger. From Saddam Hussein today.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Hussein today. You're in more danger from the snipers. Running around in…

    Hussein today. You're in more danger from the snipers. Running around in Prince George's County . But we can't find. If you vote against the Lee.

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    MR. STARK

    Lee. Substitute you are automatically sentencing.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    sentencing. You Some of you old men who have never been in service or…

    sentencing. You Some of you old men who have never been in service or never worn a uniform like the last speaker . Your

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    MR. STARK

    never worn a uniform like the last speaker . Your sentencing. Thousands of…

    never worn a uniform like the last speaker . Your sentencing. Thousands of Americans to sure. Death . You know that the president wants blood. He wants to go to war . That's why we're going through this. And so you're giving an inexperienced . Desperate young man in the White House . The execution lever to kill thousands of Americans . Some of you did that and you can look at that fifty thousand names on the wall down on the mall and it's Vietnam still in business. Last time I looked Don't do it again. Support the Leoben gentleman's time has expired the gentleman from Illinois Mr Hyde . Mr Speaker I am pleased to yield three minutes to the gentleman from Georgia Mr Kingston. Mr Kingston is recognized for three minutes. I think the gentleman for yielding and wanted to say there is a curious. Suggestion here that the people in the U.N. care more about American citizens than their own representatives . And that seems to be a thing that I'm hearing over and over again and yet Mr Speaker . As we debate this there's also a second suggestion that this resolution today well thought of . Well debated. Not just during the course of the summer. And the previous months . But in fact going

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    back to one thousand nine hundred . That. This is something new that…

    back to one thousand nine hundred . That. This is something new that suddenly we have decided that Iraq is a problem you know . If you go back and

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    MR. HYDE

    have decided that Iraq is a problem you know . If you go back and

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Mr Speaker I would like you know Animas consent to.

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    MR. KINGSTON

    Insert this in the record but the congressional action . On Iraq goes back…

    Insert this in the record but the congressional action . On Iraq goes back to one thousand nine hundred. To the hundred first Congress one hundred second Congress hundred third fourth fifth sixth . And now seventh. And there are resolutions after resolutions . Of instruction . Of threat. Of demands. Against Iraq and the people because of the repression they had. And then. That's just the United States Congress Mr Speaker and then let's go to the U.N. itself . Now keep in mind America is a sovereign nation . And unlike the. Supporters of this amendment. I don't believe that we need to have the UN's permission to defend our own national interests . That is what. Nations do . We can't get mad at Germany or France if they don't stand up for something that's not in their national interest but I don't think the U.N. should interfere with something that is in our national interest because this attack. This terrorist attack. That we're suffering from an eleven. Happened in the United States of America . But Mr Speaker . Let's also think about costs of this Congress. Agreed. President Clinton. To bomb. Kossovo. Because of repression. Of the Muslim population . By the largely Christian population . And we in America sided with the Muslims. And President Clinton. I don't know how the supporters of this amendment voted on that . But he did not set it were around and so you know I like to take some action and cassava gee whiz what with the U.N.. I did not hear that cry and hear you from the. Supporters of this amendment at that time. But let's look. Look. If we were to go to the U.N.. Going back to the U.N. Resolution six sixty violated House Resolution our U.N. resolution. Six seventy eight November one thousand nine hundred. Resolution six eighty six. In March one thousand nine hundred ninety one Resolution six eighty seven April one thousand nine hundred one . The Resolution six eighty eight April one thousand nine hundred ninety one . Resolution seven o seven August fifteenth one thousand nine hundred one . October eleventh one thousand nine hundred one Resolution seven fifteen Mr Speaker the list goes on and on and on and again I'd like to submit for the record. But the reality is is that you when. Has been calling for Iraq to act and to comply. And to discontinue certain activities which they have fly Grantley ignored . It is not time to go back to the U.N.. For one more resolution if the U.N. was going to at they would have done it they have had countless opportunities since one thousand nine hundred ninety one keep in mind Mr Speaker we have no gentleman's time has expired in the gentleman's. Unanimous consent request to insert. Strenuous material is granted gentleman's recognized for additional thirty seconds. Thank the gentleman and. Just wanted to say Mr Speaker we have not had weapons inspectors in Iraq. Since one thousand nine hundred ninety eight . The minimum agreement here between . The Hawks and the does if you will. Is that Iraq has chemical biological weapons and its near nuclear capability the minimum agreement. Is there anti-American they're dangerous they have a barbaric regime. The minimum agreement. They have violated . Sixteen. You win . Resolutions. Mr Speaker. The time to act is now . Not waiting on the U.N. And I yield back. Thank you gentlemen. Time has expired the gentleman from California Ms Lane's recognize me I yield one minute to the gentleman from New Jersey Mr Payne. Gentleman from New Jersey is recognized for one minute . Without objection so ordered. Give the United Nations inspectors a chance that's what the lay Amendment as. What does it do . It sets out the potential threat posed by Iraq. She says that there are dangers and that we must eliminate these weapons of mass destruction. But it gives United Nations inspectors a process. To go through diplomatically. It rejects the idea though of unilateral preemptive first strike.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    first strike. In the absence of verified imminent threat to the United…

    first strike. In the absence of verified imminent threat to the United Nations to the United States.

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    MS. LEE

    Nations to the United States. What it does not do . It does not limit the

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . It does not limit the president's authority if we are in danger of a…

    . It does not limit the president's authority if we are in danger of a verified and imminent threat.

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    MR. PAYNE

    of a verified and imminent threat. It does not preclude pursuing other…

    of a verified and imminent threat. It does not preclude pursuing other pass . Such as

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    pursuing other pass . Such as

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    MR. PAYNE

    . Such as . Those were posed by Congressman Spratt . Let's make it clear.…

    . Such as . Those were posed by Congressman Spratt . Let's make it clear. The leader Mema simply says let's push for peace. Let's destroy those weapons of mass destruction. If they're out there. And we think they are. But let's give diplomacy a chance. Let's not be preemptive let's not use for a strike let us try to see if . With our power. We can have peace. Through power. I yield back. Much time is expired . Generally from California is recognized Thank you I yield one minute to the gentlewoman from North Carolina and Mrs Eva Clayton. Gentle lady from North Carolina is recognized for one minute. Without objection so ordered. This is Speaker I rise today in support of the men the Dean offered by the California bumper leak. Entitled the alternative. If the wall. It couldn't be more aptly named. It seeks to commit the United States to fully engage in the diplomatic process . And to work multilaterally through the United Nations . To achieve

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    unfettered inspection of Iraq chemical biological nuclear weapon…

    unfettered inspection of Iraq chemical biological nuclear weapon community. Capacities . This arm . And indeed dismantle. There's

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    MS. LEE

    no one in this chamber who doesn't believe that the world would be better…

    no one in this chamber who doesn't believe that the world would be better off without so than who's saying . But the president

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    world would be better off without so than who's saying . But the president

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    MRS. CLAYTON

    than who's saying . But the president has now. Most

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    recently. Has not made a recent case . That

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    MRS. CLAYTON

    . That Hussein. Rejean in Iraq. Indeed present. An immediate threat. In…

    . That Hussein. Rejean in Iraq. Indeed present. An immediate threat. In fact. Our own intelligence expert tells us that. Most likely the threat to use such weapons of mass destruction . By Iraq . Would occur . If . If the United States invade Iraq. Without that suggests there would be the authorizing the president to act unilaterally sinning our brave young men and women in harm's way. Indeed. The president has most recently say. The war should be the last resort. This amendment certainly puts peace first. And put war as a last resort. Support this alternative. This amendment to the resolution channel it is time has expired Mr Hyde . Mr Speaker I'm very pleased yield to three minutes to the distinguished gentleman from California Mr Cox. Mr Cox is recognized for three minutes. Thank you Mr Speaker thank you Mr Chairman. It will reward us. To read the resolution we're being asked to vote upon. It is self refuting. This resolution finds expression he would have this Congress find that . Iraq and Saddam Hussein unconditionally accepted in the Security Council Resolution six eighty seven . Their obligation to destroy their chemical and biological weapons. But that

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    destroy their chemical and biological weapons. But that

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    MR. HYDE

    was unconditional. The resolution has us.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Find that Iraq . Unconditionally

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    MR. COX

    . Unconditionally accepted its obligation not to proceed with the…

    . Unconditionally accepted its obligation not to proceed with the development of nuclear weapons. The resolution has us find . That Iraq. Agreed to immediate and unconditional inspections. The resolution goes on to have us find that Iraq has failed to comply with these obligations. Over a period of more than a decade . The resolution has us find that . Iraq. Obstructed. The inspectors and ultimately expelled them in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and finally the resolution has us find . That this noncompliance with the United Nations Security Council resolutions including specifically Resolution six eighty seven quote endangers us to curity. That is the preamble in this resolution. That is the predicate. And then what would the resolution have us do. Passed yet one more . U.N. resolution which by its terms. Lax enforcement. Only a U.N. resolution that lax enforcement . Would be acceptable . If we were to pass the resolution . That is before us. What have we learned in eleven years . Surely without at least. The threat of military force we will get exactly the same result that we have had sixteen times . In a row . There is a cost indeed a much heavier cost of doing nothing . Of . temporizing Of adding a seventeenth two thousand U.N. resolution. To the sixteen that Saddam Hussein has already violated . And to the charge that what we are doing is unilateral. We must say . We have already earned the cooperation of Britain. Turkey. Canada. Poland . Romania . Israel. Well Garia. Australia Singapore Japan and others. And if we vote to deny the president the United States the backing of this Congress that this moment . And think that then he can win the support of other nations . We are delusional . All of us must surely hope that the United Nations . Passes its next resolution . That Saddam Hussein will this time. Finally see reason. And disarm . But as the proverb says . He who lives only by hope. Will die in despair . My colleagues let us unite hope with reason. And practicality. And a willingness to act. Let us defeat this resolution. Gentle lady from California is recognized as Lee Thank ye all now to the gentleman from Illinois Mr now. Jackson Jr. Without objection so ordered the gentleman is recognized for one minute mislaid Was that correct. Excuse me Mr Speaker I rise in support of the Lee Amendment . What is our goal. Our goal is to end the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction through comprehensive and unfettered inspections . And disable their ability to develop . Or deliver them . How do we get there until the leave them in that most suggested with a military stick. I think a carrot. Is more likely to succeed .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    What carrot. The carrot. Of lifting

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    MS. LEE

    carrot. Of lifting economic sanctions on Iraq . In exchange for…

    carrot. Of lifting economic sanctions on Iraq . In exchange for comprehensive and unfettered inspections offering to lift.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    offering to lift. Economic sanctions in exchange for unfettered…

    offering to lift. Economic sanctions in exchange for unfettered inspections . Will rally

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    MR. JACKSON

    support within Iraq and. Among our allies . This positive incentive to get…

    support within Iraq and. Among our allies . This positive incentive to get Iraq to comply . Has not and is currently not being offered by the Congress of the United States. But until we make this overture and change our policy . Of only lifting. Economic sanctions after change . We will not have exhausted. All peaceful means . And alternatives. To force . Give peace a chance Mr Speaker . Non-violence. Negotiations and inspections. Deserve a chance. Lift. Economic sanctions. On the people of Iraq . In exchange for spent on federal inspections in Iraq . It will gain support within Iraq . And amongst our allies. I think you Mr Speaker and I think the gentle lady. For offering the amendment. Gentleman's time has expired generally from California Miss Lee is recognized. Thank you Mr Speaker I yield ten seconds to my colleague from the Virgin Islands Congresswoman Donna Kristen Christensen Julie is recognized for ten seconds. Thank you Mr Speaker I ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks in support of the lead amendment which would give the U.N. inspections process and multilateral the diplomacy . Time and opportunity to work . So ordered . Thank you busily . Thank you. I yield now no one minute to the gentleman from New York Mr Holmes is recognized for one minute .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    To speak of the resolution before the house without the lady and then men…

    To speak of the resolution before the house without the lady and then men takes this country in the world . On a dangerous

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    MS. LEE

    lady and then men takes this country in the world . On a dangerous and…

    lady and then men takes this country in the world . On a dangerous and potentially tragic course.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    It is so first of all . Because the

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    MRS. CHRISTENSEN

    . Because the resolution. Violates our own Constitution because it…

    . Because the resolution. Violates our own Constitution because it devolves warmaking authority from the Congress. To the

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    executive branch . And also puts us in violations to our commitments to…

    executive branch . And also puts us in violations to our commitments to the United Nations.

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    MS. LEE

    commitments to the United Nations. But fundamentally . It puts us on a…

    commitments to the United Nations. But fundamentally . It puts us on a dangerous and potentially tragic course.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    dangerous and potentially tragic course. Because if we follow the…

    dangerous and potentially tragic course. Because if we follow the resolution if that resolution is prosecuted by the administration . And

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    MR. HINCHEY

    prosecuted by the administration . And attacks Iraq unilaterally . That…

    prosecuted by the administration . And attacks Iraq unilaterally . That action will galvanize the most fundamental . Radical elements of Islam. It strengthens Wahhabi ism . Roots. Who are prepared to wage war against this country in the way it was worried. Waged. On September eleventh of last year . That will be the end result of the passage and prosecution of the resolution. Absent Amendment. We must pass this amendment. Gentleman's time has expired . Gentleman from Illinois Mr Hyde is recognized as your speaker am pleased to yield three minutes to the gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr Weldon . Mr Weldon is recognized for three minutes . Without objection so ordered that speaker. I rise in opposition of this amendment . I rise an educator a teacher . Who for seven years spent my time in the schools. Of Pennsylvania . Someone who desperately does not want to see were occur . But I also understand. Mr Speaker that contrary to what we're hearing on the other side there are times when you have to stand up . And you have to be bold and you have to lay down a marker.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    The reason I ran for public office in the first place was my hometown . Of

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    MR. HYDE

    five thousand people have become overwhelmed by the pagans motorcycle gang.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    gang. Sixty five of them lived in my neighborhood.

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    MR. WELDON

    Though their drug dealing was controlled from my town. Now my

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    controlled from my town. Now my

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    MR. WELDON

    list of the other side maybe to solve the problem I should have got them…

    list of the other side maybe to solve the problem I should have got them all in a circle hold hands. And we should have sanctioned by ya. The problem is the pagans. Don't want to sing Kumbaya . The Pagans don't deal in reality. The Pentagon's were only concerned with harming people . And selling their drugs. So the UN was saying is a pagan . Saddam Hussein wasn't doesn't want to deal in realistic terms. We need to give the president the authority to rally the world opinion and the UN. To follow through on the. Not just the inspections . But on this or Ming weapons of mass destruction. Not of my colleagues on the other side I would say . Where were you during the nineties when thirty seven times. Thirty seven times. We had evidence of technology being transferred from Russia and China. To Iraq and Iran where were you when the administration then. Only impose sanctions . Four times. Where were you when nine times. We saw a chemical and biological technology. Being transferred into Iraq and Iran. And we sound our hands. Where were you where were you in one nine hundred ninety five when we caught these going from Russia to Iraq. These are guidance systems for missiles. A violation of the N T C O R. Because Clinton didn't want to embarrass Yeltsin. We never imposed the required sanctions. Mr Speaker this just didn't happen. This technology has been flowing for years. Now we have Saddam equipped with chemical and biological and potentially neutral. Nuclear capability. He has missiles . Which is now enhanced. The same missile that sent twenty young Americans. Home in body bags in one thousand nine hundred one. Mr Speaker . Everyone wants peace no one wants war . But there are times where you have to stand up. And you have to lay down a marker and back it up with force. Just design had to do was a teacher. When I ran for mayor and became mayor of my own town. The pagans didn't want to listen to reason . The pagans did not want to respond to what was in the best interest of the citizens. If I would listen to the other side so now I would come together. And somehow convince them to change their ways. And that didn't happen . We fought them with force . And we won. And today my hometown is prospering. Because the pagans no longer . Have their residence there. We have to stand together and show the world. With the support of this president. That we will stand up to the aggression of Saddam. We will stand up to his use of chemical agents. On his people. We will stand up to his potential use of biological weapons. And we will lay the foundation for a more peaceful world where the Iraqi people can enjoy the benefits. Of a new government. Journalist time is expired . This lady of California. Yes I am . One minute to the gentleman from New York Mr Owens. Gentleman is recognized for one minute. Runs to my letter to action so ordered. The speaker this alternative. Off was a nonviolent. And diplomatic way to wage the peace . We should be serious about the process of waging . The peace with you and spec ships. We should not take a bargain basement approach . To U.N. inspections . We're willing to talk. Casually about spending billions of dollars for war.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Let's spend what we need to have these U.N.

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    MS. LEE

    inspections be credible. I refer you to Nightline of last night when the…

    inspections be credible. I refer you to Nightline of last night when the day November knife.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    last night when the day November knife.

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    MR. OWENS

    November knife.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Where the inspection process was presented in a way which ridiculed it.…

    Where the inspection process was presented in a way which ridiculed it. And showed

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    MR. OWENS

    which ridiculed it. And showed that a handful of inspectors scientists…

    which ridiculed it. And showed that a handful of inspectors scientists and. College professors were. Bullett and harassed and. We sent the wrong signal to. So I was saying about inspections. Let's have inspections let's pursue . The diplomatic and the. Nonviolent alternative or the same vigor and seriousness that we would pursue a violent. Alternative . Let's have full administrative support for logistical support transportation . Everything inspectors need to go in in large numbers of conduct especially. All over Iraq at the same time. And have a chain of command it goes right to security council. But about Amazon has expired. The gentleman from California is recognized thank ye old one minute now to the gentle lady from Ohio Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones . At least recognized for one minute . Think to revise and extend my remarks. First of all. I want to compliment . The gentle lady from California . For all of her leadership on this issue . One of the prior speakers to ask where we were in one thousand nine hundred ninety one and pulled out all these three examples. What. War was all about . I don't know where he was in one thousand nine hundred one of the one nine hundred ninety one I was back being a prosecutor and I'll get County. But I had I

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    prosecutor and I'll get County. But I had I been here . I would have said

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    MS. LEE

    let's push . And continue to push. To reach a resolution and a peaceful…

    let's push . And continue to push. To reach a resolution and a peaceful resolution . I'm not going to. Down

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    anybody for their religion I happen to be a Baptist I happen to be a…

    anybody for their religion I happen to be a Baptist I happen to be a Protestant . But whatever it

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    MRS. JONES

    is that people are. We all are part of this world. And in this United…

    is that people are. We all are part of this world. And in this United States we talk about freedom of religion. And aren't title meant to be whoever we are. But all of us want peace. And if we're the big bully of where the big dog on the street. That we can't afford to be the big dog . And sit back and say come on to the table. Let's use all of our resources. I question whether or not the United States has in fact in many instances. Put all of us why our to the U.N.. To allow the U.N. to be as strong as it should be. Support the only amendment. Thank you very much gentlemen his time has expired Miss Lee is recognized. Thank you Mr Speaker yield I one minute now to the gentleman from Ohio Mr Brandon . Brown is recognized for one minute thank my friend from California for forty years . Our policy was to contain and deter. Joseph Stalin and the Soviets to detain and . Deter . Fidel Castro and the Cubans to detain and deter and restrain Communist aggression by the Chinese . But if we go first always without invasion. We're able to contain and deter the Soviets and the Chinese and the Cubans the communists in Cuba without invasion. But if we

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    Cubans the communists in Cuba without invasion. But if we go first strike…

    Cubans the communists in Cuba without invasion. But if we go first strike into Iraq. The

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    MS. LEE

    message to the world is. To Putin you can go into are you can go into…

    message to the world is. To Putin you can go into are you can go into Georgia.

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    Georgia. And chase down the Chechen rebels.

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    MR. BROWN

    In the message to China is you can go into Taiwan. And you can come down…

    In the message to China is you can go into Taiwan. And you can come down harder on Tibet. In the message to the Pakistanis and the Indians as you can go into college me or maybe even with your nuclear weapons. Mr President . Go slow. Mr President. We need. Aggressive. Unfettered inspections in Iraq. Complete. Thorough aggressive. Unfettered inspections . Then go back to the United Nations. War should be a last resort. Mr Speaker I support the Lee Amendment. Just reminds members to address the chair in their remarks and not directly. The president. When addressing the house Mr Hyde. Has recognized. Thank you Mr Speaker I am pleased to yield three minutes to the distinguished gentleman from California Jerry Lewis . Mr Lewis is recognized for three minutes . I appreciate my colleague fielding . Mr Speaker and my colleagues. Last evening we completed the work. On the defense appropriations bill that the measure is designed to provide the funding whereby America is able to carry forward its responsibility . In the world.

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    carry forward its responsibility . In the world. As the force for peace in…

    carry forward its responsibility . In the world. As the force for peace in our world . I'm very pleased with the results of that bill and while we were discussing this with the other body.

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    MR. HYDE

    results of that bill and while we were discussing this with the other…

    results of that bill and while we were discussing this with the other body. Yesterday I couldn't help but from time to time. Watch the discussions of this measure on the floor.

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    measure on the floor. This resolution . Is a

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    MR. LEWIS

    . Is a very very important. Statement by the American Congress . It has…

    . Is a very very important. Statement by the American Congress . It has been crafted by. Some of the most capable people in both of our bodies and I want to congratulate the chairman as well as others who have been so involved . I could not help but come to the floor . As I watched this discussion . Begin regarding some substitutes for this resolution . I must say . Mr Speaker and my colleagues. It's most important that we reject those alternatives . For the resolution . Is designed simply to give our commander in chief . Some flexibility as he goes forward. In projecting our responsibilities. For peace in the world . Indeed there are those who. I presume that this automatically means . A war in Iraq. This resolution does not automatically take us to war. As a matter of fact . It is a tool for the commander in chief. To indeed . Go forth with those efforts that are most important in terms of our future hopes for peace . There is little doubt that America focused again. Upon the importance of our strength. As a result of nine eleven. Just one year ago . There is little doubt that the world understands that a strong America. Is very important for peace. I would suggest to my colleagues that the one thing that we could do. To undermine that strength. Is to pass a resolution . Like this one. That is before us at this moment . And indeed. My colleagues. There's much discussion about what the. The commander in chief has not done. In the past there was a lot of discussion about the fact that perhaps his advisors were not as good as some would like . We look at the vice president. We look at the secretary of state we look at the secretary of defense . The community not so long ago I was amazed at how great their strength might be doing presume they have not been giving advice and counsel to the commander in chief. Indeed I believe they have a plan that that will strengthen our ability to be a force in the world for good resolutions like this would take us in exactly the opposite direction. Let us not by actions today . Undermine the president's ability to lead. At the same time . Let me say to my colleagues that. You all. Most of you know that I am a strong believer in a bipartisan force in this house . Let us not as a result of these votes . Votes today . Have one of our parties. Be the party. Working with the president for peace and have the other party be the party of the United Nations . Gentleman's time has expired. Gentle lady from California. Thank you I yield. For unanimous consent Mr Miller from California. Speak I rise in strong support of the amendment commend. Commend my colleague from California for all of our work on behalf of this peaceful effort to be solved the station. And NASA National Center revising some remarks . Without objection so ordered Leslie. Thank ye old one minute to the gentleman from Illinois and Mr Damon . Status recognized for one minute . As a speaker I've been told that he who lives by the sword shall eventually die by the so . The first call that I got this morning was from a woman named Barbara malarky.

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    got this morning was from a woman named Barbara malarky.

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    MS. LEE

    Who said Danny . Vote for peace. I rise in strong support for the leader…

    Who said Danny . Vote for peace. I rise in strong support for the leader minute.

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    MR. MILLER

    support for the leader minute. Because it gives me the opportunity to vote…

    support for the leader minute. Because it gives me the opportunity to vote the will of the people in mind congressional district. Who do not believe that we've made the case to go to war.

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    that we've made the case to go to war.

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    MS. LEE

    The president has all of the flexibility that he needs to protect us.

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    protect us. What he does not have. Is

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    MR. DAVIS

    have. Is the flexibility to declare war . That flexibility. Is left to…

    have. Is the flexibility to declare war . That flexibility. Is left to this Congress. Vote for the. Amendment. Vote for peace. I yield back the balance of my time gentleman yield back the balance of his time mostly is recognize. Yes I yield one minute to the gentleman from California. Parts pars recognized for one minute. Thanks very much for speaker and thank you for yielding. I rise in support of the Liam M. and I'm really surprised after listening to the bait for the last seventeen hours . Of why anybody would attack it. Indeed the. Amendment and the resolution it is the same as what the president has in his resolution if you see in section two . Where the president urges the support of the United States diplomatic efforts . To strictly enforce. Through the United Nations. To

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    obtain and prompt and decisive action by this year.

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    MS. LEE

    Security Council. In the United Nations. That

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    essentially. This is the same thing that the Lee. Amendment

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    MR. FARR

    the Lee. Amendment does it seems to me that anybody who can say. The…

    the Lee. Amendment does it seems to me that anybody who can say. The presidents of Mehmet autism board the leader Mehmet where the limit doesn't do . Is it doesn't leap before looks. And says. Let's look before we leap into war. And I think the message here is very strong that if the United States is going to leap in a war before it looks. What kind of trust are we going to have with the arrest of the arrangements we have around the world the agreements we've had on treaties and trade treaties. What's going to happen to the two people who are travelling in the country. Is anybody going to be able to trust our country because we can say well look we don't like something we just go alone it. Is very wise to support the Liam M. It's a good look before we leap. Thank you gentlemen. Time has expired. Gentle lady from California . Parliamentary inquiry Mr Speaker. I have a parliamentary inquiry. Parliamentary inquiry right. And I understand the gentleman from Illinois has the right to close. Correct. So I will be the last speaker on our side . Thank you gentlemen he is. recognized Thank you Mr Speaker. My alternative gives the United Nations a chance to do its job while we think through the ramifications of our actions. How many lives will be lost what will this cost our economy. It provides a very pragmatic opportunity to step back and explain to the American people. The

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    to step back and explain to the American people. The

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    MS. LEE

    to step back and explain to the American people. The implications of.…

    to step back and explain to the American people. The implications of. Authorizing a war . It will give us an opportunity to explain to the American people . What our own

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    intelligence agency means when and let me quote this. Our

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    MS. LEE

    and let me quote this. Our intelligence agency says Should Saddam conclude…

    and let me quote this. Our intelligence agency says Should Saddam conclude that a U.S.

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    Saddam conclude that a U.S. led attack.

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    MS. LEE

    Could no longer be deterred. The probability. Would become much less…

    Could no longer be deterred. The probability. Would become much less constrained in adopting . Terrorist action . Our action today . Could cause a reaction of catastrophic proportions . Not only in terms of Saddam Hussein but in the destabilization of the Middle East and the spreading of a day. President . I plead with you to oppose this rush to war . It is morally wrong . It's financially irresponsible . And it's not in our national security interest. We must wait we must ask please questions we was know what the economic impact is. We was know what this does in terms of the loss of lives of our young men and women. This is a day that we must . Urge reflection . We must. Urge. This body . To become. Attentive to the on answered questions that are out there my friends . If our own intelligence agencies. Say to us that. Authorizing the president . Resolution to go to war that supporting that effort to wage war . Could be a provocative act against our country . That it could destabilize the region. Region. That it could lead to possible terrorist action. That's very terrifying Mr Speaker. I believe that the House of Representatives. Must say no to establishing this dangerous president . We must not rush to war . We must give the United Nations. Time to do its work. Inspections worked in the ninety's. We must use the time that the United Nations needs. Use that time for us to think through to debate. And to be truthful. To the American people. They deserve it. We need to be truthful to them what the cost of this rush to war. Would mean . Thank you and I yield back the balance of my time . Journal of his time as expired Mr Hyde of Illinois recognize Mr Speaker I am pleased to yield to the distinguished gentleman from Indiana Mr Bonior such time as. We have left . And he'll be our final speaker . Mr Boehner is recognized. Like order. Speaker has to be in order. Mr Boehner. I rise in strong opposition to the Lee Amendment. This amendment is another abdication of the United States' leadership in the world.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    States' leadership in the world. It is tantamount to saying that Congress…

    States' leadership in the world. It is tantamount to saying that Congress should contract out decisions on national security to foreign governments.

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    MR. HYDE

    contract out decisions on national security to foreign governments. Paris.…

    contract out decisions on national security to foreign governments. Paris. Beijing Damascus . The United Nations . Is not an autonomy. With already. Is a place to conduct diplomacy between nations .

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    conduct diplomacy between nations .

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    MR. BUYER

    . Our nation's security and sovereignty are inextricably intertwined .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . We do not subrogate our sovereignty to the United Nations . The United…

    . We do not subrogate our sovereignty to the United Nations . The United States. As a sole remaining superpower . Must

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    MR. BUYER

    . Must have a policy of restraint to international conflict management .…

    . Must have a policy of restraint to international conflict management . But we never give up our ability to act unilaterally in the world. If we must move into a region. To bring stability . This amendment ties the hands of the commander in chief . We should never ever do that . The president has spoken . Prudently. Talking about bilateral. Meaning bringing other nations with us. Those who have been speaking here for the last hour . In support of this amendment . Have been talking about that the United States is somehow wants to . Mr Bowyer. They've been speaking as though somehow . We want to unilaterally. March off to war . The Somehow the phrase. Give peace a chance . We are the peaceful nation . We want to work cooperate fully with other nations around the world . And that's what the president is going to do . When you say Give Peace a Chance . It is been ten years . These sixteen UN resolutions. So let's think about . OK let's go back into this regime of the United Nations and weapons inspections . When you look at that. Let's look at . The U.N. was and is hesitant to back up the violations of these sixteen weapons inspections. Their response has been tepid . Also with regard to . Inspectors were undermined as Iraq would appeal directly to the sympathetic council members. And of the secretary general Iraq worked. Insistently to erode the credibility and. The positions of these U.N. inspectors. Over the last ten years . They would complain to the Security Council and then the challenges of the claims of the weapons inspectors would suffice . Unfettered unfettered access. Was strictly a myth. The respect for a rocky concerns. Relating to national security sovereignty and dignity. Took precedence over the findings and destroying of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction programs. Effectively the actions of the secretary general when he intervened . Made the Iraqis and the inspectors. Equals in presenting their case before the Security Council . With regard to Saddam Hussein's motive of weapons of mass destruction. He believes that they are vital to his power. The regime has to experience was in which it feels. It's very survival is linked to the possession of weapons of mass destruction . Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz pointed out that hitting cities deep in Iran. During their Iran Iraq war with long range missiles. And countering. Of human wave attacks . With massive use of chemical munitions. Saved Iraq in the Iran Iraq war. Moreover Baghdad believes that its possession of biological and chemical weapons . During the one nine hundred ninety one Gulf War . Helped to tear United States from marching on to Baghdad . Now that's their dimension that is that. That is their own understanding. So Saddam will do everything he possibly can to to maintain a stockpile of weapons of mass destruction. So this thing about Give Peace a Chance. We have given peace a chance. The president has also used words. Of saying that. Military force. Will be the means of last resort . So I think the president has been very clear. We will. We will show the United States. Has the resolve and power to stand up against a rock. Seek their compliance . Force in their word and their violations of the cease fire . But if they don't . Then the world will act . And just arm Saddam Hussein and change the regime if necessary to bring peace and stability . To the Middle East as a region . We should vote down the Lee Amendment. And support the sovereignty and national dignity of this country. You know back . Gentleman's time has expired all debate time on this amendment has expired the question is now on the amendment. Offered in the nature as of a substitute by the gentle lady from California . All those in favor say aye . All those opposed say no and you put in a chair that he knows have it. And it's taking a gentle idea from California yes I object to the vote on the grounds that a quorum is not present and make a point of order that a quorum is not present in asport accorded don't generally from California objects to the vote on the ground that a quorum is not president makes a point of order that a forum is not present.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Evidently have Corum is not present under the rule the yeas and nays are…

    Evidently have Corum is not present under the rule the yeas and nays are ordered Members will record their votes by electronic device.

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    MS. LEE

    Live coverage of the U.S. House as they are

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    . It is now in order to consider amendment number two . Printed in House…

    . It is now in order to consider amendment number two . Printed in House report one o seven dash seven to four . House will be in order. Member since their conversations in the chamber so that we may proceed .

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    One member sees their conversations and. Congregations on the House floor…

    One member sees their conversations and. Congregations on the House floor so that we may proceed the house . Is not

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    House floor so that we may proceed the house . Is not in order.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    For what purpose does the gentleman from South Carolina writes his thinker…

    For what purpose does the gentleman from South Carolina writes his thinker I have an amendment in the nature of a substitute which is next made in order by the A clerk will designate the amendment. And then. The nature of a set number of House report number one of seventy seven twenty four offered by Mr Spratt of South Carolina pursuant to order in the house.

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    Carolina pursuant to order in the house.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    order in the house. Pursuant to House Resolution five seventy four the…

    order in the house. Pursuant to House Resolution five seventy four the gentleman from South Carolina Mr Spratt a member opposed to each will control thirty minutes . The house will be in order the members cease their conversations on the floor so that we may proceed.

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    MR. SPRATT

    The chair recognizes the gentleman from South Carolina.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    The chair recognizes the gentleman from South Carolina.

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    THE CLERK

    The chair recognizes the gentleman from South Carolina.

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    MR. SPRATT

    the gentleman from South Carolina.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Thank you much speaker and I even myself three minutes. Gentleman is…

    Thank you much speaker and I even myself three minutes. Gentleman is recognized for three minutes. But speak. Grave occasions like this when we pass a War Powers Resolution . Surely surely one of the things we should seek is a broad base of support . The amendment I proposed in the nature of a substitute . Seeks to broaden the base for this resolution . If we had dropped it . I believe that as one one four . Will gain votes. And passes by an even bigger majority . I want to make it clear that we haven't broaden the appeal of this resolution by watering it down . My substitute

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    resolution by watering it down . My substitute

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    MR. SPRATT

    unflinchingly supports the president's campaign and Security Council for.…

    unflinchingly supports the president's campaign and Security Council for. Beefing up arms inspection and backing them. Up of force . And if the Iraqis defy the new inspectors . And the Security Council responds with military action as it should. It authorizes the use of our armed forces and empowers President Bush. To use our armed forces just as his father did in one nine hundred ninety one in the Persian Gulf or. In a military action sanctioned by the Security Council. If on the other hand . The Iraqis. Defied the inspectors in the Security Council. Fails to take action fails to respond . The U.S. will be faced with going alone it. And these dramatically different circumstances my M.M. It calls for a second vote by the Congress to approve an attack on the use of force . But it ensures a president a fast track towards consideration . There are various differences between these two resolutions the preamble is different but this is a key difference . And it's an important difference . I want to make clear however there's no difference we're first back to our assessment of Saddam Hussein. Those of us who support this up to see him as a menace. And the threat . We agree with the president. Demanding the Security Council enforce its resolutions . And I will allow him no quarter . But for several reasons. We don't want to see the United. States Act alone. And this is not just our concern over the last several weeks we have spent days . Talking to a retired general who have experience in this . To General Hoar in general are saying . Former commanders of Central Command General Clark and General boy . Former commanders in Europe and they've agreed on this much . If we act alone they told us instead of being the United Nations versus Iraq. Any war that happens . Instead of being a war legitimately by the U.N. charter this will be. The United States versus Iraq and in some quarters . The U.S. versus the Arab and Muslim world . That's why one general officer told us. I fear . If we go it alone . That we might pay. A terrible price . Point number two. In any conceivable military conflict confrontation with Iraq with or without allies the United States. Will it win. But having allies especially allies in the region. Could be a big tactical advantage . Saudi Arabia Turkey . And it will make it easier to achieve victory . And less costly in money. And most importantly. Less costly in human life. Free the outcome. After the conflict is actually going to be the hardest part . And it's far less certain. We don't want to win this war only to lose the peeps. And swell the ranks of terrorist who hate us. A broad based coalition will raise our chances of success . Even more in the post-war period . And I know . One additional minute Mr Sharon. Now know that some would say this is an imposition on the president's powers a second vote but in truth. It's nothing more than the age old system of checks and balances built in our Constitution . It's one way that Congress can say. What we believe that any action against Iraq. Should have the sanction of the Security Council in the support of a broad based coalition . And if it doesn't . We should have a further say on others will say that this resolution relies too heavily on the Security Council but let me tell you Mr Chairman . Mr Speaker the president it follows as a precedent was set by President Bush in one thousand nine hundred one. He turned to the United Nations first. He secured a series of resolutions from the Security Council . They called one eight hundred six seventy eight. He didn't threaten. Not to go elsewhere he went straight to the Security Council . The end was a successful military action and I think a model. Worth emulating . My substitute does your set my colleagues to follow the precedent set by President Bush in one thousand nine hundred one. And support my substitute amendment. And I reserve the balance of my time . Gentleman reserves the balance of his time Mr Hyde of Illinois for what purpose does he rise . Mr Speaker I rise in opposition of the amendment and I claim the time. Gentleman from. Always recognize the minutes. Thank you Mr Speaker and I feel myself such time as I may consume . Mr Speaker I oppose the amendment in the nature of a substitute offered by the gentleman from South Carolina first and foremost . This substitute neither recognizes . Nor protects. American sovereignty . It clearly yields to the United Nations the right and obligation to protect America.

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    America. It relies on the U.N. first. As a trigger mechanism. The

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    MR. HYDE

    mechanism. The president must wait until the U.N. acts

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    U.N. acts . Or if it doesn't act.

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    MR. HYDE

    Or if it doesn't act properly . And God only knows how long that will take…

    Or if it doesn't act properly . And God only knows how long that will take . Then the president must return to Congress for further authorization for the use of force. And then once authorization is obtained the use of force is limited to dealing with weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missile threats. But what about other threats to the U.S. national security such as the use of conventional weapons or Iraqi terrorism . Iraq is a terrorist nation. Evidence exists that Iraqi operatives are met with al Qaeda terrorists terrorists . This amendment does not allow the president to use force now . Even if an immediate or imminent terrorist threat is present. When the U.N. fails to act or doesn't act properly . And the president must come back to Congress and seek authorization to use military force . But first. He must certify to Congress that the U.N. has failed to pass a resolution . Or the U.N. has passed and insufficient. Resolution and . The use of military force against Iraq quote . Will not impair international cooperation is in the fight against terrorism. In other words if a nation . Say Iran North Korea or Syria. Maintains that it will no longer cooperate in the war against terrorism. Then international corporate cooperation has been impaired. How can the president make such a certification . At that point he is he an able to ask Congress for the authorization to use force. Why would we want to have these types of roadblocks . Impeding our president at a time when he's trying to defend the nation . And the national security of the United States. This Unless one imposes a steeplechase on the president with one hurdle after another . In conclusion this substitute amendment would strike . The bipartisan agreement and leave work so hard to bring about . And which is reflected in the house. Joint Resolution one fourteen. It's primary focus is on approval of the UN. Before any military action can be taken against Iraq. It doesn't recognize the sovereignty of the United States . And it fails to acknowledge the president's warning in his speech on Monday . That the danger from the Iraqi regime is an imminent. And urgent threat to the United States. I don't propose that we subordinate our foreign policy . To the Security Council whose permanent members include France China and Russia . And I urge a no on this amendment in the nature of a substitute . Reserve the balance of my time . Gentleman from Illinois reserves a balance of his time. Mr Spratt is recognized I mean you know just thirty seconds. To myself and then to the gentleman from Missouri to read what the text of the resolution would provide . The president is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate means including the armed forces of the United States to compel Iraq to comply with the disarmament. Visions of the U.N. and its sights than any other resolution. To require the elimination of weapons of mass or trucks and ballistic missiles. And the means of producing such weapons that's pretty broad language. I U two and a half minutes to the ranking Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee my friend from reserve . Mr Skelton

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    friend from reserve . Mr Skelton . I thank you John and guys for two and a…

    friend from reserve . Mr Skelton . I thank you John and guys for two and a half minutes . I thank the gentleman for yielding

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    MR. SPRATT

    a half minutes . I thank the gentleman for yielding Mr Speaker I am happy…

    a half minutes . I thank the gentleman for yielding Mr Speaker I am happy to rise and support. The proposal by my friend and colleague the gentleman South Carolina John Spratt . Several weeks ago Mr Spratt drafted a resolution for . The use of Minority Leader Gephardt in negotiations with the White House . That draft contain a number of important principles focusing on the role of the United Nations. On more narrowly defining the threat posed by Iraq. As its weapons of mass destruction and on planning for what will be needed . After the conflict . If military action should be taken . These presidents

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    . These presidents do not undermine rather they strengthen American…

    . These presidents do not undermine rather they strengthen American national security . Many of

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    MR. SKELTON

    undermine rather they strengthen American national security . Many of…

    undermine rather they strengthen American national security . Many of these principles have now been included in the resolution offered by the Speaker and Mr Gephardt . On Tuesday night express my support for that resolution as it represents a significant improvement over the original draft smitten by the White House. But this branch substituted perfects a number of the principles contained in the base bill. It connects American efforts . More strongly to those of the United Nations. This resolution urges the president to work with the United Nations to enforce Iraqi compliance with its disarmament obligations. If the United Nations authorize the use of force to achieve these goals. The Spratt resolution. Provides immediate. Congressional authorization. But if the United Nations cannot or will not act . Then this Congress must consider the benefits of unilateral action under a second resolution . Using. Expedited procedures. The Spratt resolution . Does not. The tie the president's hands . U.S. national security will be protected. This resolution sends a strong message to Iraq. That the Congress insisted to comply with its obligations. It also sends a strong message to the United Nations. And to our friends into our allies. All around the world that we are committed to acting with them. To the greatest extent possible . To meet this threat. In these ways the Spratt substitute improves a resolution. Already been forced marriage my colleagues to vote with me. To support it. And I thank the gentleman for yielding I yield back my time Mr Speaker. Gentleman yield back the balance of his time Mr Heins record I'm pleased to yield three minutes to the gentleman from Missouri Mr Blunt. Mr Blunt is recognized for three minutes . I thank the gentleman for yielding and I rise with some concern in my opposition this resolution because I have such high regard for my friend Mr Skelton who just spoke in favor of the resolution by read the resolution carefully . And I think this is a step backward. In all of our actions it really restricts. Rather than broadens the use of force against Iraq that already is authorized under current law . Section three

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    . Section three is. Even narrower than Public Law one zero two one .

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    MR. HYDE

    one zero two one . Which already authorizes the United States to use force…

    one zero two one . Which already authorizes the United States to use force to restore international peace and security.

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    international peace and security.

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    MR. BLUNT

    Were already authorized to stop Iraq. Supporting terrorism . Were already…

    Were already authorized to stop Iraq. Supporting terrorism . Were already authorized to prevent Iraq from threatening its neighbors were our. We've already authorized the United States to protect Iraqi own civilian population. I believe you can read this resolution. Clearly all of those things but no longer be authorized. And I think you can even continue to enforce the no fly zone. Under this resolution Section three would require the United States . To wait for the United Nations Security count. All Act before the president could take action to protect our national security interest against the dangers of weapons of mass destruction . Posed by Iraq. Even the United Nations Security Council approval of Section three . Wouldn't authorize the United States to act we'd have to have. Unite United Nations action. Then we'd have to have a second vote in this Congress. The vote in the Congress. Is restricted by the substitute. This is a step backward it sends a muddy signal. About our resolve. It completely replaces the gap part. Hastert resolution that's before us and really really postpone a critical question . To another day. We have put this question off too long already. This resolution asked us to put it off . Yet longer . I encourage my colleagues to join me in rejecting this resolution and. Move for it rejecting this substitute Sprat resolution . And moving forward to pass the Hastert Gephardt resolution. Later today. I yield back from South Carolina. I yield one minute to Joan from Arizona Mr pastoral recognized. Without objection. Thank you speaker . Mr Speaker I support the Spratt Amendment because I believe that we should not rush into war without seeking the support of our allies . We should not send American troops into combat before making a good faith effort to put U.N. inspectors back in Iraq . Under a more forceful resolution. We

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    resolution. We should not turn to a policy of preemptive attack. Without…

    resolution. We should not turn to a policy of preemptive attack. Without first providing a limited time option for a peaceful resolution of the threat . This amendment with authorize the use of U.S. forces . And support.

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    MR. SPRATT

    Every new U.N. resolution . Mandating the elimination. By force if…

    Every new U.N. resolution . Mandating the elimination. By force if necessary . Of all

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    . Of all Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.

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    MR. PASTOR

    mass destruction. If the Security Council does not pass such a resolution…

    mass destruction. If the Security Council does not pass such a resolution . The

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    not pass such a resolution . The

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    MR. PASTOR

    . The amendment calls on the president to then seek authorization for.…

    . The amendment calls on the president to then seek authorization for. Unilateral military action . The spreader Memet demonstrates our preference for a peaceful solution . And coalition support without ruling out. You know rattled military force. If it becomes necessary. America has long stood behind the principle of exhausting diplomacy. Before resorting to war. And at times like this. We must lead by example . I yield back the document. Gentleman from Illinois. Sealed three minutes to the distinguished gentleman from California Mr Lantos films recognized. I want to thank the chairman of the committee on international relations for yielding and first. Missed Speaker I want to commend my good friend from South Carolina . One of the most valued members of this house. On a very thoughtful and creative Amendment . I believe however that the amendment. Would weaken the hand of our secretary of state . In

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    secretary of state . In international negotiations that are occurring . As…

    secretary of state . In international negotiations that are occurring . As we speak

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    MR. HYDE

    . We are all in agreement that we are all. The

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    that we are all. The

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    MR. LANTOS

    we are all. The house is not in order to speak of . The gentleman standing…

    we are all. The house is not in order to speak of . The gentleman standing in the aisle and minority side take your conversations off the floor so the gentleman from California may be heard and may proceed . Thank you speaker. I believe that the amendment. Would weaken the hand of our secretary of state . In the international negotiations that are occurring . As we speak . Every member of this body. Prefers a diplomatic and peaceful solution. Every member of this body . Prefers to have as many nations. Friends allies others come with us as possible. But to enhance the prospects for a peaceful solution . Both the Security Council and Saddam was. Must perceive that diplomatic failure . Will lead to military action . This amendment . Fails to convey that critical message . Mr Speaker the Pratt. Amendment requires the president to certify. And I quote. That the use of military force against Iraq . Will not impair international cooperation . In the fight against terrorism . And quote. This amendment effectively asks the president of the United States. To certify the unknowable . The initial impact of action in Iraq . On international cooperation. Is uncertain. It may be argued that it will diminish eight. Or . It will enhance it. But of one thing. We are all the certain ones. Iraq is this aren't . International cooperation against terrorism . Will skyrocket . And international terrorism itself will have been dealt a C.V. or a blog . While the principles behind the amendment . And the underlying text. Have some similarities. I must. Oppose their man and Mr Speaker . Because I believe . At this stage. We must support the bipartisan by camera like agreement reached with the White House. I strongly urge my colleagues . To reject this well intentioned Amendment. It would on the rival. The agreement . Which is on the verge of ratification. And it would undermine our goal. Of speaking with a strong and united voice. I yield back the balance of my time. Gentleman from South Carolina . Which I have to the gentleman from New York Mr Natalie. Jones recognized. I thank the gentleman . Mr Speaker the Spratt resolution would permit the use of military force . But only to eliminate the real danger we face Iraq's possession of nuclear chemical or biological weapons. The president's resolution would allow the administration to use military force. To seek regime change in Iraq . A very dangerous course of action it's one thing to say to Saddam Hussein. We are going to disarm you of your weapons of mass destruction. It's

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    another thing to say . We are going to kill you. Which is what regime…

    another thing to say . We are going to kill you. Which is what regime change means . Faced with

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    MR. SPRATT

    . Faced with that threat. With that assurance . There would be nothing to…

    . Faced with that threat. With that assurance . There would be nothing to the terrorists. Should I'm

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    saying from the citing. Like Samson in the Philip esteemed temple. That he…

    saying from the citing. Like Samson in the Philip esteemed temple. That he might

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    MR. NADLER

    temple. That he might as well. Pull down the world around. Round him. Why…

    temple. That he might as well. Pull down the world around. Round him. Why shouldn't he go down in history as an Arab hero. By attacking Israel with chemical or biological weapons . Israel might then feel compelled to retaliate and no one can calculate the course of escalation from there just the other day. The spirit of the CIA George Tenet warned the Senate. That if Saddam concluded there is survival of his regime are threatened. He probably would become much less constrained in adopting terrorist action. I'm quote. The Spratt substitute is the most effective way to go about this so I mean Saddam Hussein. While avoiding taxes. That could very well end up in regional conflagrate. It grants more limited but still sufficient power. Ministration. To meet the threat posed by a weapons program and allows for the president to use force in conjunction with the UN. If it becomes necessary . It does not however grant the president a blank check on the model of the Gulf of Tonkin resolution . As the main resolution a friend of his does . I'm proud to support this resolution it maximizes the chances that we will disarm Saddam Hussein. Eliminate the real danger. Without getting into a major conflagration. Thank you Mr Speaker. John from Illinois. I'm pleased . Two minutes to the gentleman from Ohio Mr Oxley Tillmans recommends speaker asking asks everybody. Let me first to say to my friend Henry Hyde . And to to all of the participants in this historic debate . How much I appreciate their leadership . And their ability to debate this issue . In a very courteous and . Effective manner. Hundred thirty eight. Members of this house . Were present. Back. When we debated the original golf.

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    golf. Resolution.

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    MR. HYDE

    Those of us who were here at the time including myself remember that as…

    Those of us who were here at the time including myself remember that as one of the historic times in this chamber . And we return

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    MR. OXLEY

    historic times in this chamber . And we return

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    chamber . And we return

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    MR. OXLEY

    today . In many ways to debate some of the very same issues that we…

    today . In many ways to debate some of the very same issues that we debated. So many years ago and . All of us I think . Feel a tremendous sense of honor to have an opportunity to debate these issues before us. But all I'm only the substitute offered by my friend from South Carolina fails to put us in a position to be as effective as we were back in one nine hundred ninety one . And indeed. Probably takes a step backward if you look. At the U.N. resolutions. Sixteen resolutions . All them only and that language . There is the ability of the world to go after Saddam. Without UN resolution without another resolution passed by the Congress . And yet . The president . Our House leadership. Came to the leadership of our body . And requested that the Congress give this kind of authority . And that's exactly what our leadership did . And my hat's off to the speaker and to minority leader gap part for coming together and putting together a bipartisan resolution that should be supportive. This is a serious matter that Saddam Hussein has continued to resist . Our efforts . Let's reject a substitute . Past the underlying . Resolution. Stand firm as we did . Back some. Eleven years ago. And send a signal that the United States and our allies . Will perform adequately . Thank you Carol is that you let me do for a first for the gentleman from Illinois for you see request. Thank you Mr Speaker Mr Speaker I request you Nanami's consent to revise and extend my remarks and place my statement in the record at this point . Without objection. Thank you John statement will be inserted in the record gentlemen I give myself thirty seconds to respond to. Arguments made on the other side First they claim that this bill is somehow even There's not a word in it supplants. Public Law one hundred two dash one which was the authority to go after terrorists . And then they say . Which is not true and then they say that . We are wrong

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    in saying to the president we don't want to dilute the focus on terrorism.…

    in saying to the president we don't want to dilute the focus on terrorism. We

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    MR. SPRATT

    the focus on terrorism. We want you to certify to us that if we go to war…

    the focus on terrorism. We want you to certify to us that if we go to war in Iraq he will in no way impair our first priority and that's a good outcome . You've

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    way impair our first priority and that's a good outcome . You've

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    MR. LIPINKSI

    . You've got to decide which way you want to go. We say that.

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    Still the law of the land. One hundred two days one.

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    MR. SPRATT

    We backed it then . We support it now. And we want to make out. Our first.…

    We backed it then . We support it now. And we want to make out. Our first. Our first option . And now you know in a minute and I have to. The gentleman from Texas a Vietnam veteran. Remember their Armed Services Committee Mr Reyes recognized. Thank you Mr Speaker and I thank the gentleman for yielding. I rise this morning in strong support of this substitute. As I said yesterday many of us know that there is a better way and Mr Spratt has focused our efforts. With his leadership and his guidance. He has led the way to a carefully constructed and well thought out . Resolution . One that takes into account the dynamic in the potentially dangerous situation in which we find ourselves today . Unilateral action Mr Speaker would cost billions of dollars and possibly thousands of lives. Carelessly stepping into a conflict. Is not something that should be undertaken lightly. I do not think that the administration . As I

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    said yesterday. Has made the case for this type of action.

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    MR. REYES

    of action. This approach . This appropriate resolution supports the…

    of action. This approach . This appropriate resolution supports the president's request to the Security Council. For arms inspections . That is backed by force . This resolution authorizes President Bush to use the same armed forces. Of the United States. As his father did in the Persian Gulf War . In military action that is sanctioned by the Security Council. If the Iraqis defy the inspectors and the U.N. will not authorize force . This Congress will expedite a vote for a new resolution to authorize that force. Saddam Hussein and his regime. Are a menace to our security and I agree with the president. That the Security Council to enforce. Resolutions and put a stop to this system. Of cheat and retreat . The Security Council should compel Iraq. To destroy his its weapons of mass destruction . And its means of producing such weapons . And if one force is necessary . Each it should be with their concurrence as well . This bill sets the stage for a prudent process to accomplish . These objectives . More importantly it in for size it's a tenet. That war should be a last resort. And not a first resort. Mr Speaker I ask my colleagues. To support this resolution that you'll back the balance of my time till the from Illinois . Mr Speaker I am please email two minutes to the gentleman from California Mr Rohrabacher on the directness . I rise in opposition to this amendment. Let us remember those words . And I as I heard this debate. If they come back to me.

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    to me. Gentlemen may cry peace peace . But

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    MR. HYDE

    . But there is no peace. The war has actually begun .

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    Those are the words. Of course of Patrick Henry who. Spurred on our…

    Those are the words. Of course of Patrick Henry who. Spurred on our people. To fight for their liberty. And fight for our country security. And when all is said and done .

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    MR. ROHRABACHER

    is said and done . America's security in our freedom. Is in the hands of…

    is said and done . America's security in our freedom. Is in the hands of our people . We do not choose to put the future of this country. And the security of this country. Into the hands of the United Nations. As we debate this amendment which again . Puts even more responsibility in the hands of the United Nations. Let us take a brutal look at that organization . And what this amendment accomplishes . This amendment requires the United States to have the permission of the Communist Chinese . And gangsters of other regimes. To do what is necessary for our own security . That is read. To kill us. Crip idealizing the United Nations for what it is not . It is not an international body . That's run by saints . Instead it is run by ordinary. Democratic countries but also by despicable regimes which terrorized. Their own population. Requiring the president our president . To get permission from the United Nations. Means you are requiring our president to make deals with governments like the Communist Chinese. Before doing what is necessary for our own security. No wonder the repressed people of China . Like the Falun Gong who had their demonstration here yesterday. Like the people of Tibet . Like the people of East Turkistan . Are afraid that our president. May well make an agreement with the bosses in Beijing. Who terrorize them. At the expense of those people who long for freedom. We should not be relying on the United Nations no . We should be relying on our strengthen our commitment to those ideals that our founding fathers . Set forth so many years ago and have been fought for so many times by Americans. Let us remind remember what George Washington told us. Put only Americans. On guard. Tonight. South your week I yield a minute and I have to the gentleman from Maine Mr Jones recognized. Thank you gentlemen fielding . And I wish to respond to some of the comments made just now by the gentleman from California and earlier by the distinguished chairman of the International Relations Committee the gentleman from Illinois. It is true that this resolution . Seeks to have the United States. First act in a multilateral basis . Through the U.N. . But we are not transferring the job of protecting Americans to the United Nations. In Section eight of this resolution it says. Inherent to right

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    resolution it says. Inherent to right

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    MR. SPRATT

    self-defense nothing in this joint resolution . The Spratt

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . The Spratt substitute. Is

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    MR. ALLEN

    intended to delegate or otherwise limit the authority of the president to…

    intended to delegate or otherwise limit the authority of the president to use military force in self-defense pursuant to the Constitution of the United States. And the. Powers. The War Powers Resolution . But there is a reason why we need to act on a multilateral basis . It is because the. If we act against Saddam's weapons of mass destruction. Together with allies . We are less likely to provoke an Islamic fundamentalist . Uprising in the Middle East. We are more likely to diminish the number of recruits to our sama Bin Ladden. Not to exceed the number of recruits to terrorist causes . And in so far as people have suggested this is a steeplechaser their road lacks road blocks to getting the if. The second resolution passed. It's a weeklong proposition. Come back. We've got the resolution laid out in this substitute. There are no amendments no points of order it comes to the floor we'll have a debate of twenty hours and it will be done. This is critical. This is as important as the vote on final passage . And I urge members to support the Spratt substitute. Gentleman from Illinois . I yield three minutes to the gentleman from Ohio Mr Boehner recognition . I thank you Mr Speaker and I thank my colleague from from Chicago Illinois for yielding I rise today in strong opposition to the amendment offered by our friend from South Carolina Mr Spratt. The amendment . In the nature of a substitute basically puts us in a position of having to go to the U.N. and get a resolution of support. Or if the U.N. can't act or war. Act requires the Congress to come back. And to

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    back. And to have another vote. And I think one of the points the is…

    back. And to have another vote. And I think one of the points the is missing in this debate . Is that

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    MR. HYDE

    in this debate . Is that it seems as though people think the president is…

    in this debate . Is that it seems as though people think the president is not acting in a unilateral way . And we are

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    not acting in a unilateral way . And we are

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    MR. BOEHNER

    unilateral way . And we are the only superpower on the face of the earth.…

    unilateral way . And we are the only superpower on the face of the earth. We as a nation . As a result have a responsibility to lead . And I think that the. The. Line resolution. Doesn't fact strengthen the president's hand to lead. And to continue to build multilateral support . And I believe that the amendment offered today . Basically undercuts the president's ability to continue to lead us to build a multilevel . Lateral action . Secondly the president is being very deliberate about this. We've been under this effort has been underway for the last eight weeks. The president continues to consult with members of Congress from both in both bodies. Continues to work with our allies continues to work with the U.N. . And I think all of us would agree that the president made a forceful case for action . As he was at the U.N.. Again . The amendment that we have before us . Handcuffs the president. In terms of his ability to continue to bring about positive action . At the United Nations. And we've got sixteen amendments passed by the United Nations over the last eleven years dealing with chemical and biological weapons. What makes us believe that Saddam Hussein or anyone else is going to act. If in fact the U.S. and. Whatever act . But more importantly. Why would we want to put the security in the freedom of the people of our country at risk . Or put them in the hands of the U.N. Security Council and hoping maybe that they'll act. And the fact is in one thousand nine hundred one during the Gulf War . We had a debate here and we kept hearing the same thing we're hearing now . Wait wait wait wait . If we don't wait any longer . In one thousand nine hundred one the Iraqi regime would have been into Saddam. Into Saudi Arabia and we would have that a much larger crisis than we have. And the fact is is that we've waited for a long time . To bring this regime . To a halt . And to take away their threat. And I believe the general in a resolution done by the majority leader . And the. And the speaker along with the minority leader . Gives the president the strongest hand possible. Inter. Arms of building a multilateral coalition . And most importantly. Protecting the American people whom we are sent here to represent . Gentleman from South Carolina. I first to you know to the gentleman from mine for you see request which is recognized. Thank you very much for speaker I get a unanimous consent request in support of this random and and. As a right way to security and not being able to go it alone . And I'd like to be able to enter that longer. More extended. Remarks into the record. German statement will appear in the record. And now yield one minute to the gentleman from our can solve. Which this matter. Also a Vietnam veteran and a member of the Armed Services Committee. Recognized. Thank you Mr Speaker and thank you Mr Spratt. Those of us that support this amendment do not believe that we are undercutting the president or somehow placing handcuffs on him . But in fact we

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    undercutting the president or somehow placing handcuffs on him . But in…

    undercutting the president or somehow placing handcuffs on him . But in fact we

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    MR. SPRATT

    handcuffs on him . But in fact we believe we are doing is responding to…

    handcuffs on him . But in fact we believe we are doing is responding to the great commonsense of the American people the kind of discussions we all have at home . And Americans are

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    of the American people the kind of discussions we all have at home . And…

    of the American people the kind of discussions we all have at home . And Americans are

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    MR. BALDACCI

    kind of discussions we all have at home . And Americans are having all…

    kind of discussions we all have at home . And Americans are having all over the country in which they see a difference in the factual situations between America. Going in with an as an international body in cooperation with the United Nations versus.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    versus. America having to go it alone because the international community…

    versus. America having to go it alone because the international community does not want to be with us.

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    MR. SPRATT

    international community does not want to be with us. There are differences…

    international community does not want to be with us. There are differences in those two scenarios and the differences have different Remick.

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    Navigations for the future of American national security . In

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    MR. SMIDER

    American national security . In fact with the spread of them it does is…

    American national security . In fact with the spread of them it does is give additional powers to the present not in the Constitution it gives him the power to schedule. This

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    MR. SNYDER

    to schedule. This boat in through an expedited process . I think Mr…

    to schedule. This boat in through an expedited process . I think Mr Spratt's a mammoth in fact is the kind of approach that the American people want us to take. To act in concert with the international community. And if that's not successful to come back in an expedited way for a reevaluation by their elected representatives as . Expected by the Constitution. You backed by time . From Illinois. Mr Speaker. Self one minute. Recognized . You know when you retire from Congress and the great summing up comes with your great grandchildren or great great grandchildren . And say what did you do in Congress say well I voted T.E.O. sovereignty to the United Nations. I voted to have the decision . To defend the United States' national interest. To the Security Council which is composed of five members.

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    composed of five members. Three of which are France China and Russia.

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    MR. HYDE

    China and Russia.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    What a precedent. To condition. Our taking action . By the

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    MR. HYDE

    . By the approval by getting a new resolution. What is that . Resolution…

    . By the approval by getting a new resolution. What is that . Resolution seven thousand eight hundred forty two. You know it's about the seventeenth resolution. A new resolution authorizing the United States to defend its national interests . This is not a preemptive strike . The shooting has never stopped from Desert Storm . There was a cease fire not a peace treaty . In February of one nine hundred ninety one. And after that . Every day they shoot at us in the in the sky and so that's not preemptive. It's just to continue as just finishing . What should have been finished several years ago. Three minutes to the gentleman from California Mr Royce. Thank you Mr Chairman I. I rise in opposition to this amendment. It's clear to me that most members hope that the administration will support at the United Nations for a robust weapons weapons inspection regime I'm I'm one who wishes this . That's the outcome that I think your amendment. Aims for but it does this however . In a way that I believe sets the administration up for fail. Here. This amendment. Expedites congressional consideration. Of an authorization to exit act against Saddam Hussein . Should the administration be unable to secure an acceptable U.N.

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    to secure an acceptable U.N.

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    MR. ROYCE

    U.N. inspections resolution . That's its second step. But let's think . A…

    U.N. inspections resolution . That's its second step. But let's think . A ways down the road. Does this Congress really want to be in the position of spotlighting are possible failure . At the U.N.. The storyline for the second Congressional deliberation on Iraq. This amendment mandates. Would be failing at the. U.N. Administration forced to try Congress again . I have a hard time seeing how our nation. Could possibly be strengthened by that. In considering this amendment. We can't afford wishful thinking about the U.N. the fact often lost in this debate . Is that the United Nations. Is a grouping of nations. With often. Differing political interests . Some that share our values. Others that don't . This is one of the reasons that while working with the Security Council. We must always guard against it. Compromising our national security policy. This amendment in practice. Gives the edge to the U.N. Security Council. Over our administration. In facing the threat of Saddam . The negotiating hand of. Other council members . Would surely be strengthened . Against the administration . If they knew that our president. Would be forced to return to Congress. If he couldn't strike. A Security Council weapons inspections deal. Neither outcome. A weak weapons inspection resolution or . If the administration must walk away . A perceived and universally noted. Failure by our country to win at the U.N. is one we should be setting our administration up for . Secretary of State Powell told the International Relations Committee. That his hand at the U.N. and. Would be strengthened by a strong congressional authorization for action against Iraq. One in his words . That was not watered down. I know that Secretary Powell has been working hard to gain support at the U.N.. To kick the congressional authorization he seeks down the road . To grant it or even not grant it. Based upon the U.N. Security Council schedule . And political landscape . Is a big watering down . It's the judgment of Chairman Hyde. And Ranking Member Lantos. And the majority of international relations committee members. That the bipartisan resolution we're considering this week . Is the one. Secretary Powell needs. That is why I urge the rejection of this amendment . And I yield back the balance of my time. Films from South Carolina to speak I yield two minutes to the gentleman from Virginia Mr Moran Jones recommends . I Give us to Speaker Mr Speaker last night he say to my very good friends on the other side . This amendment builds on the lessons of leadership . From our success in the Persian Gulf War. Virtually no American lives lost . And our specific mission was accomplished . We want to do just what we did in nine hundred ninety one. President Bush why did. Until after the congressional midterm elections. He said cure the United Nations Security Council authorization to use international force.

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    authorization to use international force.

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    international force. We had the support of Iraq's Arab neighbors. We

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    did not position this country as a target for vengeance from Arab and…

    did not position this country as a target for vengeance from Arab and Muslim extremists . And for a decade

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    target for vengeance from Arab and Muslim extremists . And for a decade…

    target for vengeance from Arab and Muslim extremists . And for a decade we've come day. Contained unsanctioned Saddam. Where fight again another war today . I war on terrorism and. Our intelligence agencies. Tell us these are separate wars . This amendment focuses on winning both wars and securing our deserved position as they are in power a lot later an inspiration of the free world. The rest of the free world is no less determined to protect the. Our families and individual liberties. Let's make this war on the war on terrorism an. international And defended of such staffs. And I yield to my friend from North Carolina. Yes some of our friends today in debate have suggested that somehow adoption of the Specter Sprat resolution would . Would yield American sovereignty to the UN or as. As one speaker put it to . Would Sub-Warden a foreign policy to the Security Council is it not true that under the Spratt resolution the. The determination of the United States to back up. U.N. inspections to back up un enforcement actions would be ours to make. And the Moreover those troops would remain under U.S. command is there any grounds for for treating this as some kind of abdication of sovereignty. I thank my friend from North Carolina he's is absolutely right that this amendment strengthens the position. The

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    position. The leadership role of the United States it builds on the last…

    position. The leadership role of the United States it builds on the last months of ten years ago. That was a success there and it should be a success today. Thank you Mr Jones from Illinois . Misspeak or I yield three minutes to the gentleman from Virginia Mr Goodlatte Jones recognized. I thank the chairman for yielding and ask Manson center of I don't expect remarks. The Speaker I rise in strong opposition to the Spratt substitute I have great respect for the gentleman from South Carolina but believe that this resolution . Is

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    gentleman from South Carolina but believe that this resolution . Is very…

    gentleman from South Carolina but believe that this resolution . Is very misguided . It divides or bifurcates. American foreign policy instead of speaking with one voice . Nothing in the resolution put forth by the committee.

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    committee. Led by Chairman Hyde and Ranking Member Lantos . Prevents the…

    committee. Led by Chairman Hyde and Ranking Member Lantos . Prevents the very course of action . Outlined by

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    course of action . Outlined by the gentleman from South Carolina.

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    But I fear that if this resolution.

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    resolution. Offered by Mr Spratt were adopted. It would

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    adopted. It would have the opposite effect of that intended by the…

    adopted. It would have the opposite effect of that intended by the gentleman . And that.

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    effect of that intended by the gentleman . And that. Because it sends the…

    effect of that intended by the gentleman . And that. Because it sends the message that the president in his efforts to get strong United Nations. Action. And support from our allies. Does not have the support of our own Congress . Between the votes. On the two resolutions. Contemplated by the gentleman. And while the president seeks international support . We will in effect be a quick half an E. of voices . Rather than speaking with one voice . Many members of Congress have differing opinions on what the U.N. resolution should be . It is time to speak to the U.N. with one voice. Politics must and. At the water's edge . In dealing with other nations and especially with the United Nations. The president must have a strong hand . He must be able to say what he is authorized to do if necessary . To push the U.N. to do the right thing itself . On the other hand. The Sopranos substitute . Sends the message to Saddam Hussein. That we are talk. Without action. He has relied upon that state of affairs. For the past twelve years . This resolution is little different than the sixteen U.N. resolutions all without consequences. This resolution demands the truth. But removes the consequences. This resolution prevents the present United States. From taking action to protect our national security interests. It ties his hands . Even to do the limited things we are already doing. The Congress needs to speak with one voice. The Congress needs to speak. NOW not later . And the Congress needs to place into the hands of the president . The necessary tools to implement a unified and effective foreign policy. I urge my colleagues . To reject this substitute And I yield back the balance of my time. Joan from South Carolina Michigan. To use a request first the general idea from his or. Gentleman is recognized . Thank you Mr Speaker I would I ask unanimous consent that my remarks in support of this measure. Be inserted in the record during debate as Spragg as Batman substitutes charts the right and responsible course. Gentleman's name Iranian started in the record . Gentleman from Pennsylvania . I think . Unanimous consent. To be the Nikkei my support for the spread of men men and how to extend a revise my remarks the gentleman. Remarks will be answered in the record. Begun now you know one minute and a half to the gentleman from Washington mischance like gentleman is recognized.

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    Washington mischance like gentleman is recognized.

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    Without objection.

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    Mr Speaker America is a great nation because it always in times in toil in…

    Mr Speaker America is a great nation because it always in times in toil in time all have followed great principles. We

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    in times in toil in time all have followed great principles. We have…

    in times in toil in time all have followed great principles. We have always matched the might of our armed forces . With the

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    force of our great principles . And it is a great American principle. That…

    force of our great principles . And it is a great American principle. That at times

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    principle. That at times of in America international trouble. We work with…

    principle. That at times of in America international trouble. We work with the international community. Not

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    the international community. Not without it.

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    It is a great American principle that we do not launch.

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    do not launch. Unilateral first strikes.

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    Without the support of the international community and a vote of the U.S.…

    Without the support of the international community and a vote of the U.S. Congress . And the Spratt resolution . Follows and

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    . Follows and upholds those great America American principles. And the…

    . Follows and upholds those great America American principles. And the underlying resolution . Violates them. No Congress should give any president a blank check to start a unilateral. First Strike for any reason . Any time. With or without any. Allies . This nation gave the world the great principles of freedom of speech and freedom of religion and ought to lead the nation in the concept of going forward on the arc of human history . Which is working together for mutual security . Rather than backwards. To the law of the jungle . And I don't want to vote . To make it. Legacy of this generation of American leaders . To send us backwards . Or the strong nations devour the weak. And we do not work with the international community and there's a practical reason for doing this. As General Hoar zinnia can't remember which one of it's good. Why should we super charge Osama bin Laden's recruiting efforts. With a unilateral first strike . The Spratt. Resolution Hughs to great American principles . We should follow it. It is the American way. Joan from North Carolina South Carolina . I thank Chairman for the correction . I you one minute to the gentleman from Connecticut Mr Larson. Thank you very much Mr Chairman I seek unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks direction. Thank Mr Speaker. I rise to unite this body and the nation behind the Spratt resolution. Of which I am a proud co-sponsor. SPRATT resolution both strengthens the president's hand . And demonstrates national resolve it preserves the constitutional authority that resides with this Congress.

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    And does not abdicate . Our

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    role. To the United Nations . Many have stepped forward . Including many…

    role. To the United Nations . Many have stepped forward . Including many notable Republicans . Mr

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    . Mr Scowcroft.

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    Mr Eagleburger. Mr Baker and several others who understand. The

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    deep importance and abiding concern that many of us on this island share…

    deep importance and abiding concern that many of us on this island share with not only them . But people all across

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    this island share with not only them . But people all across this nation .…

    this island share with not only them . But people all across this nation . Thomas Friedman spoke at a recent book tour. About the consequences of our doctor and long term and its effect. And he was struck by the one man in the audience who came up to him and reached into his wallet . And produced but a picture of his children . It spoke volumes . We need say nothing else . Support the Spratt. Alternative. Thank you I yield back. Gentleman from South Carolina. I yield one minute. To the gentleman from Massachusetts Mr Mark. Jones recognized . The Spratt. Approach. Is the correct approach . It says that the United States Congress says to the president. Go to the United Nations go to Kofi Anon. And tell him that. We authorize President Bush to use. All of the armed forces necessary in order to disarm . The chemical the biological and a nuclear weapons. Of Saddam Hussein. And if Kofi Annan on it if the U.N.. Say no we will launch.

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    will launch. Authorize that.

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    Then it says that the president can come back to the United States…

    Then it says that the president can come back to the United States Congress and media play.

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    Congress and media play.

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    And then we would authorize the president. To go in unilaterally . All…

    And then we would authorize the president. To go in unilaterally . All with any other nation in the world that would want to join us. And we will ensure that the chemical biological and nuclear weapons . Of Saddam Hussein. Are taken from his possession. This is the way to go. If the U.N. says no then we can say yes unilaterally. But the president has an obligation to go to the United Nations. First. And to have Kofi Annan the U.N. say. We will not forcibly. Ensure that these weapons of mass destruction are confiscated. Vote yes on Spratt. Much time is for one minute to the gentle lady from California much as Tauscher. Gentleman is recognized . I thank my colleague for yielding Mr Speaker I'd like to strike state my strong support for Mr Spratt substitute. As a member of the Armed Services Committee I am deeply concerned by the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. But I also strongly believe that the United States has a responsibility as the world's only superpower . To set a standard for an international behavior . We must consider every piece of alternative and contemplate every possible outcome. Before we turn to force. Mr Spratt's a man is a valuable because it strengthens America's position at the United Nations in support of new Security Council resolutions . That

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    Nations in support of new Security Council resolutions . That

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    . That Secretary Powell is negotiating . As

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    . As we speak. Mr Spratt's Amendment sends a strong signal to our allies…

    . As we speak. Mr Spratt's Amendment sends a strong signal to our allies and to Saddam that the United States is committed to defend the threat posed. Posed by the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. It ensures that our actions have international legitimacy . And that . Just like in one thousand nine hundred one we share the cost of war with our allies. Instead of putting the burden soley on the American people. If we are unable to secure a resolution at the U.N. It provides for expedited congressional consideration of a joint resolution authorizing the use of force . I encourage my colleagues to vote for this route Amendment I yield back the balance of my time gentleman from South Carolina . I yield a minute and I have to my colleague from South Carolina Mr cliver Germans recognized . Affect my home state colleague Mr Spratt or you let me this time enough for his leadership on this and many other issues. In this body. Is because there's not a single member of this body does not believe that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has murdered his own people. Value that U.N. sanctions and stone just knows that the world community . However this body and our nation are deeply divided as to the proper course of action. At this juncture. Michael sponsorship of the sprout Amendment.

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    Reflects that uncertainty among my constituents. The

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    constituents. The American people and our allies around the world. Because…

    constituents. The American people and our allies around the world. Because of my office express an overwhelming lack of support for a preemptive military action.

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    preemptive military action. Shoot now . And ask questions

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    . And ask questions later . Has never been the American way. And it should…

    . And ask questions later . Has never been the American way. And it should not be and now it is an awesome responsibility to have the power to set. Events in motion . That if ever. Another country. An entire region. Not to mention our nation's future relationships. In the world community . We should. Put the lives of our youth. At Risk . And further fuel the fervor of terrorist actions against our homeland. We should not duck . Our responsibilities as members of Congress. I believe is the best . At this particular juncture . Many of us lived through Vietnam . And saw expression effects on our nation. This is not the time to commit popular . Unilateral act of aggression . Specially one . Its great potential but devastating consequences . Mr Speaker . Just because we can do it doesn't mean we should . You back about about how much . Both sides have eight minutes remaining. Gentleman from Illinois. Mr Speaker I yield myself one minute . You know history . Is An exciting. Adventure an April twenty eighth one thousand nine hundred nine ninety in this very chamber. Right where we are now . This House voted to allow the president President Clinton . Without any U.N. resolution . To take military action . Bombing in Kossovo . And among those who voted to allow the president to do this without a U.N. resolution .

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    But. Go ahead gung ho . Was

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    virtually everybody that has spoken and that side of the chamber .

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    side of the chamber . Is Absolutely I applaud their. I don't

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    Absolutely I applaud their. I don't know what changed them why they now…

    Absolutely I applaud their. I don't know what changed them why they now demand that we process this through the U.N. . But they didn't feel that way back then. April of ninety nine and I have the . I have the roll call anybody cares to see . But everybody that I've heard of that voted . I voted for. Now I would have thought that that was sacked in ninety five and he'll be he is sure. Is that because that was President Clinton . By the I just don't there must be some explanation. I yield three minutes to the gentleman from California . Tillman's recognize. Thank you Mr Speaker Mr Chairman. I rise in strong agreement . With all of the essential premises of the Spratt resolution and. Urge. A no vote . Because of its conclusion . The Spratt resolution like the resolution before it spells out .

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    resolution like the resolution before it spells out .

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    . Precisely. All of the reasons that we are here today . That Saddam…

    . Precisely. All of the reasons that we are here today . That Saddam Hussein and Iraq have unconditionally agreed to destroy all chemical and biological weapons their.

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    Ballistic missiles . To stop the development. And the seeking of nuclear…

    Ballistic missiles . To stop the development. And the seeking of nuclear weapons .

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    nuclear weapons . That Iraq unconditionally agreed to immediate…

    nuclear weapons . That Iraq unconditionally agreed to immediate inspections . This brought resolution goes on to say . And would have this Congress find that Iraq and Saddam Hussein have quote. Flagrantly violated. These unconditional terms. This Pratt resolution goes on to say that Saddam Hussein and Iraq are currently supporting . International terrorism . And continuing to develop. Chemical and biological weapons. And actively seeking nuclear weapons . And the ballistic missiles to deliver them . But here. Unlike the lead resolution before the Spratt resolution . Does not denounce the use of force but rather. Says that this time we should have a U.N. resolution that expressly. Authorizes the use of force . And if such a U.N. resolution is adopted. Then . By Section three of this resolution the Congress today would have anticipatory early. Authorized. The use of force expressly authorize President Bush. To use military force to eliminate. Weapons of Mass Destruction. And missiles. It even provides an expedited procedure. For the president . To get congressional authority for war. If the U.N. doesn't act . In short this resolution this alternative resolution that we are now considering. Except. Every single promise of House Joint Resolution one fourteen that is supported by President Bush. The speaker of the house . The Democratic leader of the House Republican leader of the Senate and as of today. The Democratic leader of the Senate. And the Spratt resolution excepts the operative conclusion of. House Joint Resolution one fourteen. That the authorization of military force is essential. It's essential if this time. We are succeed. Where sixteen. Past UN resolutions have failed so the only real difference . Is that this different way of going after all of the same objectives based on all of the same premises. This Rube Goldberg mechanism that we have set up. Will scuttle the broad agreement that has been reached. Among the house. And the Senate. Among the executive and legislative branches. This consensus that America will stand as one. It will jeopardize in fact passage of the very UN resolution that it purports to support . I mean the gentleman has expired. Gentleman from South Carolina . But speak I yield a minute to the gentleman from Michigan Mr Levon Helm's recommended. Mr Cox is right there are similarities. The issue though is whether we're going to emphasize going together . Or going it alone . The difference is whether we're going to emphasize . Collective action. Try. The U.N. first. Are worried whether we're going to give to this president. The right to act unilaterally without going back to this Congress.

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    act unilaterally without going back to this Congress. We will strengthen…

    act unilaterally without going back to this Congress. We will strengthen the voice of the American people . We will

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    strengthen the voice of the American people . We will

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    speak with one . With with one voice. More under the spread resolution .…

    speak with one . With with one voice. More under the spread resolution . Because there's a division in this house . Under the

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    house . Under the resolution that you have brought forth on the majority .…

    house . Under the resolution that you have brought forth on the majority . If we want to speak with one voice. Let's try collective action . If it works we will have done it together as we did in Bosnia through the in. If it doesn't. Mr President come back here . On an expedited basis . And we will act . That's the chance for one voice. A very vital vote here today will be on the spread resolution . I think it's the sensible way to go . And is consonant with where the American people are from South Carolina which. Three minister the gentle lady from California Ms Pelosi is recognized . Thank you very much Mr Speaker. I thank the gentleman for yielding and for his extraordinary leadership in presenting this option. To the House of Representatives. I also want to commend him for his leadership . As a person who speaks for our armed services in this Congress . His commitment to provide for the common defense as invited in the preamble to our Constitution.

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    Constitution. Today Mr Spratt we are all benefiting from your wisdom . The

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    Spratt. Substitute Mr Speaker captures many of the concerns of the…

    Spratt. Substitute Mr Speaker captures many of the concerns of the American people who overwhelmingly support.

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    who overwhelmingly support. A multilateral approach to dealing with Saddam…

    who overwhelmingly support. A multilateral approach to dealing with Saddam Hussein.

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    Saddam Hussein. The Spratt substitute owner. Also honors the Constitution.…

    Saddam Hussein. The Spratt substitute owner. Also honors the Constitution. When it says that congress. Shall declare war. Some who have opposed this resolution substitute . Have done so . On the basis that. We don't have time to come back to the Congress. This is simply not true. As called for in the Spratt Amendment . Substitute should the Security Council. Fail to act in a satisfactory way . We go back to the Congress . And I want to speak to the issue of Time. By quoting what is now declassified. Is contained in a letter from the district . Director of the Central Intelligence Agency . To the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee . This letter signed by George Tenet. When asked if Saddam didn't feel threatened . Did not feel threatened is it likely he would initiate an attack using a weapon of mass destruction. The director of central intelligence . Response in this letter says. My judgment would be that the probability of him. Saddam. Initiating an attack. Let me put a time frame on it. In the foreseeable future . Given the conditions we understand now. The likelihood. I think would be low. This is the director of central intelligence saying the likelihood of Saddam. An issue and attack using weapons of mass destruction. The likelihood. Would be low. So it's not about time . It's about the Constitution . It's about this Congress . Asserting its right to declare war . When we have fully aware of what . What the challenges are to us. And it is about respecting the United Nations and. On a multilateral approach . Which is safer for our troops . Force protection I've been on the Intelligence Committee for ten years longer than anyone in my service there is coming to an end. But. In a time that I had been there force protection is one of our top priorities to protect the men and women in uniform . This letter goes on to say . If we did if we initiated an attack. If he felt that he was threatened. If we initiated attack and he thought he was in extremis or otherwise. What is the likelihood in response to our attack that he would use chemical and biological weapons . The response . Pretty high. We are placing our young people in harm's way. In a way that can be avoided by taking a multilateral approach. First I commend the gentleman from North Carolina . For his leadership . I will support this with great pride thank you for giving us that opportunity. Is just about on a lady. Could I inquire of the tree how much time I have left please. Gentleman has four minutes remaining . Gentleman from Illinois has four minutes remaining each side has four minutes remaining four minutes from mining and the gentleman has right close calls gentleman from Illinois has the right to close. Let me take the rest of my time gentleman is recognized for four minutes to respond to some arguments then raise let me go back to. Public Law one zero to dash one . The allegation that somehow somewhere. This bill supplants it. Far from supplanting that bill which.

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    That Act which was the Afghan War Powers Act . We

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    . We reassert in this legislation . The primacy of our policy and that is…

    . We reassert in this legislation . The primacy of our policy and that is to go after Al Qaida . We do

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    that by saying to the president. Before we go off in pursuit of a novel or…

    that by saying to the president. Before we go off in pursuit of a novel or objective military objective . We want you to

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    . We want you to tell us that this is not going to divert our focus.

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    From the primary objective which is to get the guys that did what they did…

    From the primary objective which is to get the guys that did what they did in New York on nine eleven . We don't

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    what they did in New York on nine eleven . We don't

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    want to divert or dilute our focus from matter at all. That's in this.…

    want to divert or dilute our focus from matter at all. That's in this. Centerpiece of this particular bill. My good friend Mr Hyde is said that many of us on this Saturday are voted for action against Kosovo. I did. And I'm proud of it because we stopped another butchery. In the backyard of. Your By doing so. We didn't go to the UN then and you know why because the Russians are on the Security Council they would have blocked us . Politics and diplomacy is a pragmatic thing that's why we didn't go there but it was multilateral because it was not undertaken by NATO and we tried to use. Collective defense in that particular case . It simply proves the point. And let me say something else that I said at the outset because it's important. ALL lot of good people have argued that we were lying too much too heavily on the UN and specifically on the Security Council because that's really the body that applies here . But I was here in one nine hundred ninety one. When President Bush asked for a vote . To go to war in the Persian Gulf . I was one of eighty six on that said you've got my support Mr President . But you remember what he did Mr Hyde then within just days after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. President Bush said. This invasion will not stand. But he also declare that his vision his purpose was nothing less than a new world order. His words. A new world order . He turned first to the United Nations and went to the Security Council and got the first in a series of resolutions it culminated in Resolution six seventy eight which. Authorize the use of force . President Bush. Obtained. All of those Security Council resolutions. With our support. But without an overt act of support without an express War Powers Resolution and told. Literally days before the war began. Rather than asserting that he could go it alone. Stiffing the Security Council he sought the Security Council approval. He sought allies to stand with us and. Her cover about two thirds sixty six sixty. Scuse me. Sixty two billion out of the sixty six billion dollars total cost of the war. The result. A successful military action. A successful diplomacy. And I think a model for family lighting. And that's exactly what this resolution does . And where does this resolution come from. A couple of weeks ago we had one of the last of the general officers who testified before our committee who has experience this area. Man I greatly respect Wes Clark. Shortly no warrior who is Frank from a fight he was always advocating for us in Bosnia to straighten out that situation there in the Balkans. Here's what he told us. He said first of all. Look. Time is on your side right now . Make the maximum advantage of it . And first go for beefed up arms inspections. More in truth even spectrum program. This will have a couple of benefits little constraints . But above all it will give you a legitimacy when he ultimately bucks you. Secondly he said . Our diplomacy will be further strengthen if we have a. Act . Adopted by Congress. Expressing our SAW to use force if necessary. But he said the resolution need not at this point . Authorize the use of force. It they'd simply agree on the intent to authorize use of force . If other measures fail . That's exactly what we've done. Both of those things. And finally he said if efforts for resolve the problem . By the United Nations Fail. Seek the broadest possible correlation to bring force to bear. That's what we've done. What General Clark recommended. It's embodied in this resolution that follows a precedent set by President Bush is worthy of everyone's support . And I hope that you'll vote for John from Illinois. Mr Speaker I am very pleased to yield . The balance of our time to the learned gentleman from South Carolina Mr Graham. Germans recognized for four minutes . Thank you Mr Chairman. This is a very worthy. Appropriate debate. And cannot be more serious a couple of comments . To begin with the gentleman from Connecticut . A very good friend of mine at Mar greatly . And a K. did that in his opinion . The Spratt resolution would strengthen the hand of the president. Well here's what the president believes. He rejects that . He does not believe

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    rejects that . He does not believe

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    that Mr Spratt resolution strengthens his hands . He asked us Monday night…

    that Mr Spratt resolution strengthens his hands . He asked us Monday night . To

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    come together and speak with one voice and I said. And said

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    so many times. And what has happened over the last few weeks . Is amazing…

    so many times. And what has happened over the last few weeks . Is amazing in the American public should be joyful and it. The speaker of the house. The minority leader. A group of bipartisan senators McCain and Lieberman and others have said I am with the White House . And have structured a resolution . That gives a one voice. Approach to a very serious problem for our country. And I'm not here to tell . Members that you should follow blindly your president. Your leadership. God knows I have never been accused of that. But in matters such as this. We must try to achieve consensus . For so much is at stake. Many watch what we say and do here. Please do not believe otherwise I will either be stronger. Or will be weaker . In our ability to negotiate that. To make the world safer. There is strength and Hastert Gephardt hide. And Lantos to went oh scuse me . The strength comes from the speaker. The minority leader . Committee chairman and ranking members. And the president reaching consensus. No disrespect to Mr Spratt my friend . But that is strain your resolution would show weakness . It would be a defeat for the House leadership. It would be a defeat for our president. You write the headlines tomorrow . I choose not to write that headline. Because our enemies are watching . And they read. Your resolutions or I think is ill advised and ill structured . To suggest that our president is not working with the United Nations would be wrong. The speaker . The minority leader. And a bipartisan group of senators believe he is and the facts are clear that he is . He is working with our allies . He is trying to find a way to disarm this terrible evil person before he does more damage the resolution that my friend from South Carolina . Is there to adopt. Not only would be a rejection of this consensus . But it would mandate by U.S. law that the United Nations that . Before the president connect. I speak again . The U.S. Congress. Would be telling the president. You must go to the U.N. and you must win their political game. You're making our president win a political game that I don't want to put him in. Under your resolution. That we open one of the way for such a vote and us. I would like to finish my thoughts. I believe the resolution is clear of what you require of the president before he can act that U.N. politics takes a dominance. And your resolution . Not the one . That we're trying to support here today. If he loses the U.N. political battle he comes back to this body. And can you imagine the frenzy . You write those headlines . The president comes back. Loser in human politics . And the forces in this world will seize upon that . And we will

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    have it. The speaker and I request to record vote.

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    MR. GRAHAM

    record vote. The gentleman from South Carolina . Gentlemen asked for the…

    record vote. The gentleman from South Carolina . Gentlemen asked for the a's and nays. You know if

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    they are made west to those favoring a vote by the will rise. And…

    they are made west to those favoring a vote by the will rise. And sufficient number having risen the A's and these are ordered members record their vote. By electronic device this is a seventeen minute vote on the spread of men.

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    Members on the majority side . In the back of the chamber . Could I ask…

    Members on the majority side . In the back of the chamber . Could I ask the staff here to take seats or leave the chamber. We need order . On the minority side . PLEASE TAKE see. Gentleman from Arizona . I yield to the gentleman from Michigan . Two minutes. Don't worry none of us consent to Mr Speaker I rise to ask unanimous consent to enter a statement into the record to be placed immediately following the general without action . Gentlemen statement will be entered in the record. And I

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    record. And I will yield back the balance of my time. Gentleman from…

    record. And I will yield back the balance of my time. Gentleman from California . To speak out on delighted to yield two minutes . To the ranking member of the Ways and Means Committee . My dear friend. Our distinguished colleague Congressman Rangle Germans recognize the thought of Jacques Chirac and June of two thousand are in the isles need to take seats.

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    two thousand are in the isles need to take seats.

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    two thousand are in the isles need to take seats.

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    MR. EHLERS

    two thousand are in the isles need to take seats.

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    We need order .

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    Gentlemen may proceed . In June

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    of two thousand.

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    MR. LANTOS

    President Clinton. Allowed me to grade on a two tanks that are in his back…

    President Clinton. Allowed me to grade on a two tanks that are in his back to Korea . And commemoration of Defense at the anniversary of the Korean War .

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    Defense at the anniversary of the Korean War .

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    MR. RANGEL

    anniversary of the Korean War .

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    They were all members of the Second Infantry Division.

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    Division.

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    We left Fort Lewis Washington then .

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    Fort Lewis Washington then .

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    . July and August one thousand nine hundred fifty. And we had .

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    Left more men behind. Dead then . Then came home . Irag in a group of…

    Left more men behind. Dead then . Then came home . Irag in a group of veterans that went back . All black because we were in a segregated. In for a tree unit. And most had not gone to college . And like myself some had not even finished high school. We thought then that we were fighting for our country. But the more education I got the most sophisticated I got I realized we were fighting for the United Nations . And then when I became a member of Congress . And I led the same group of tatted veterans. Back to the same battlefields. They asked why did Congress. Send them to South Korea . And expose them to North Korean and Chinese . Welfare . And I had to tell them that this Congress . Never did send them there. No vote was ever taken in this Congress . To say that they were at Muar with the people of North Korea . Or the People's Republic of China . And I made a vow to them and I'm keeping that today . That Never will I delegate the responsibility of considering the dangers of war. I won't leave it to the president unless he brings me. Evidence that we're in danger . I won't give it to deny the nations because I don't believe that this sacred responsibility . Should be transferred . And I do believe that each and every one of those veterans . If they thought our beloved country was in trouble. Would be the first to spend up to salute the flag . And be prepared to destroy what enemy we had preemptive. Or not . I am against this resolution . Gentleman from Illinois . I yield to Mr Gilmore for a unanimous. Unanimous consent request . Thank you Mr Chairman Mr Speaker I rise in support of a resolution. Request unanimous consent to revise and extend out of Jackson the gentleman statement to be inserted in the record gentleman from Illinois. Thank you Mr Speaker. With great pleasure I yield three minutes . To the distinguished lady from Wyoming Ms Cuban. Gentlewoman's recognized . Thank you Mr Chairman. And thank you Mr Speaker Mr Speaker as I've traveled through Wyoming. My fellow citizens . Have

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    made their feelings very clear on the threat posed by Saddam Hussein.

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    MR. HYDE

    The threat posed by his weapons of mass destruction . And the threat posed…

    The threat posed by his weapons of mass destruction . And the threat posed by his support of terrorism . They

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    support of terrorism . They

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    MR. GILMORE

    . They support the president's actions to ensure that Saddam Hussein's…

    . They support the president's actions to ensure that Saddam Hussein's arsenal of chemical and biological weapons is totally dismantled.

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    and biological weapons is totally dismantled. His ties to terrorist…

    and biological weapons is totally dismantled. His ties to terrorist organizations are severed and the people of Iraq. Are

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    severed and the people of Iraq. Are given a chance to emerge from…

    severed and the people of Iraq. Are given a chance to emerge from Saddam's. Oppressive shadow. The people of Wyoming. Hope and

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    pray for peace . But they will

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    MRS. CUBIN

    not accept. Peace at the price of fear. Wyoming has a proud history of…

    not accept. Peace at the price of fear. Wyoming has a proud history of defending our nation . From the peacekeeper and the minute Mr Minuteman missile silos based in our state that helped to win the Cold War to our many sons and daughters. Who made the ultimate sacrifice in the defense of liberty. One of the first casualties in our war on terror was a young man from Cheyenne Wyoming . His name was John adman's. Should we let this threat build and. Tell John Edmonds widow and. And his parents Don and Mary. That his death was in vain. That it didn't mean anything. How would we explain that we lack the will to finish what we started by explaining that to us. And wasn't ready. Saddam Hussein has long been an enemy of humanity and freedom he's murdered his own people with poison gas. He's attempted to assassinate an American president . And he preys on homicide bombers and rewards their family . Right now as we debate in this chamber agents work to pry provide him with nuclear weapons. Shall we wait a little longer and see if he gets it right this time . I understand that some in Congress . Are concerned about international support of his actions. But our first obligation is not to European governments . Like Paris or Berlin . It is to the safety and the security of the people of the United States of America . In an ideal world we would not have to go it alone. And I believe we will not have to go it alone. But. Thanks to the likes of Saddam Hussein this is not an ideal world . Saddam has made it clear to the world where he stands . Now Congress must let the world know where we stand against him . And with our president. Mr Speaker I end with a final question. Ask yourselves why does Saddam Hussein seek an atom bomb. The people of Wyoming no. I know. I believe we all know. I yield back the balance of my time . Joan from California . To speak out on pleas to yield three minutes . To my good friend from California distinguished member of the International Relations Committee. Is the government. Thank you Mr Speaker. I was a fervent. Opponent of the Vietnam war. And a strong supporter of sensible detente with the Soviet Union. But under today's circumstances . The best way to give peace a chance . And to save the most lives . American and Iraqi. Is for America to stand united . And

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    . And for Congress to authorize the president . To use

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    the president . To use force if Saddam does not give up his weapons of…

    the president . To use force if Saddam does not give up his weapons of mass destruction. Confront Saddam now . Or pay a much heavier price later . We

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    . We dismissed the first World Trade bombing . Center bombing

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    World Trade bombing . Center bombing . As an isolated incident. When two…

    World Trade bombing . Center bombing . As an isolated incident. When two embassies were bombed. We failed to see the broader implication of those acts . When the U.S.S. Cole was attacked . Still we didn't read the handwriting on the wall. It was irrational. We thought . That Mad Men would grow bold enough to attack America on our own shores. We wanted to give peace a chance . But then came nine eleven. And it's time to say no more Democratic Leader Gephardt . And many of my colleagues have told us why a yes vote is necessary. We have brought key members of the Clinton National Security team to the head to Hill. Architects of our past policy to contain Saddam . These foreign policy experts from the Democratic Party . Have told us to a person . That containment will no longer do the job . And that the policy were asked to endorse today. Is the right one for a peace loving people. On the issue of Saddam Hussein I have some experience . I begged both the Reagan and first Bush administrations to stop selling Iraq. Materials and technology that could be used for weapons of mass destruction. To put Iraq on the terrorist list . To impose economic sanctions set down Saddam with a nuclear weapon is too horrifying to contemplate . Too terrifying to tolerate . As new as one who has watched this man for twenty years. Let me pose an analogy. It's just an analogy. Because I reject the unproven efforts to Di's Saddam to the events of nine eleven. We're on an airplane . And we know that a few passengers. Have smuggled box cutters on board . We know these passengers have taken courses . To learn how to fly a jumbo jet . We know that their friends have already flown a small plane into a building killing hundreds of their own neighbors . But those. Armed passengers. Have not yet lunged for the cockpit. What should a peace loving people do we know that people sitting near these dangerous passengers could be hurt. If we take aggressive action . Should we wait until they kill the pilot . And take over the airplane before we act. Of course not. We had my Or those with the courage just around the armed passengers. And demanded they give up their weapons under threat of force. That's what this resolution does . Is the threat imminent. Well surely Saddam has boxcutters. Saddam has a history of using them. Saddam is in the process of up to upgrading the boxcutters. Saddam has boarded the plane with the boxcutters. Confront Saddam now or pay a much heavier price later . John from Illinois . I'm pleased to yield to the distinguished gentleman from Oklahoma . And Chairman of our conference Mr Watt seven minutes. John is recognized. Thank you Mr Chairman Mr Speaker I rise to support the resolution . Before the house today . Our nation and our military may very well. Need to right the wrongs being perpetrated from any evil dictatorship and Iraq . Saddam Hussein poses a long term threat. That could jeopardize the freedoms . And the way of life

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    . And the way of life enjoyed by Americans from coast to coast. From…

    . And the way of life enjoyed by Americans from coast to coast. From border to border. A threat that grows more menacing over time . And I

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    MR. HYDE

    threat that grows more menacing over time . And I have listened to some of…

    threat that grows more menacing over time . And I have listened to some of the debate over the last several hours over the last twenty four hours and it's been said time and time again .

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    been said time and time again .

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    time again . That there is no evidence that Saddam Hussein isn't imminent…

    time again . That there is no evidence that Saddam Hussein isn't imminent threat . And friends I would say to all that would say that. If you want evidence . Look no further than September eleventh two thousand and one . I am pleased the Pres. And has sought congressional approval for a possible military action and has worked diligently with Congress to craft a resolution that is both appropriate and constitutional. There are very few things Congress has explicitly given the sole authority to execute. Deploy and declaring war as one of them Article one Section eight is very clear on that point. These twenty four hours are twenty four plus hours reserved for debate on this question . Is More Than We debated Haiti Bosnia and Kosovo combine. President Bush should be commended for acknowledging Congress has authority with regard to any military action in Iraq . Mr Speaker this leads us to the merits of authorizing such a serious action putting our armed forces into harm's way . Should never be an easy decision for anyone. As one who represents a district with two significant air force bases and a large army post. I have talked with countless active duty personnel and military families during my service here in Congress . The pilots the airman soldiers another highly trained. Heroes the Tinker Air Force Base Altus Air Force Base and. For still Army post are my friends and they're my neighbors them are constituents. I care deeply for these brave Americans . They understand like so many people across this country that freedom is not free. Liberty is not easy keeping the peace often requires sacrifice America did not become the leader of the free world by looking all the way to Hany of atrocities and unspeakable evils. The president told the nation this past Monday that Iraq has a massive stockpile of chemical and biological weapons. That has never been accounted for. That is capable of killing millions and millions of. people Surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that used to produce chemical by law. Nickel and nuclear weapons. Mark my words on the latter form of destruction. The moment Saddam Hussein acquires a nuclear weapon is the moment the world will be in even more danger. Grave danger. I hope my colleagues will reflect deeply . On this chilling possibility. Some people have pondered whether a military strike in Iraq would be just . Where the action of our government constitute a just war. St Augustine the father just war theory said . A just war I quote. A just war is. Is want to be described as one . That have been just wrong. When a nation or state has to be punished for refusing to make amends for the wrongs inflicted by its subjects . Or to restore what it has what it has seized . Unjustly and quote . This Congress must decide whether the situation in Iraq. Warrants. Military response. I'm with the president. I believe this both supports the just war theory when when St Augustine wrote again quote. We do not seek peace in order to be at war. But we go to war. That we may have peace. Saddam Hussein has murdered his own people his record on human rights as a business. He has aided and abetted and abetted terrorist. He hates America he hates freedom. He hates independence he hates our allies. He hates us. Mr Speaker at this very hour we know a tyrant and Iraq . Is devising great evil. We know harm is inevitable if nuclear weapons are indeed acquired by. So than Hussein. As testimony by former Iraqi scientists before the Armed Services Committee said as he revealed last week. So Don is on a breakneck pace to acquire those very weapons . I hold my colleagues put their trust and confidence in our military . America's sons and daughters who who love freedom and love liberty . To wage a worthy . And just call us . Military options of the president's last choice . But we must give him the pariah to fit the situation in Iraq . Requires the use of force. I urge the House to pass this legislation to support . The president support our armed forces and support freedom . Throughout the world. We will prevail as the president said . We must prevail . Vote yes on this from a resolution tone from California. To speak out on place to yield two minutes to my good friend from Texas. Ranking Member. Distinguished senior member of the Ways and Means Committee . This dog and. Jones recognize. Thank you to the occasional charge of hand-wringing and weakness . Leveled at the many of us who are voting today against this resolution . Perhaps the same could be said of the statement. Trying to eliminate Saddam. Extending the ground war into occupation of Iraq . Would have incurred incalculable. Human and political cost.

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    cost. Had we gone the invasion route . The United States

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    route . The United States could conceivably still be an occupying power .…

    route . The United States could conceivably still be an occupying power . In a bitterly hostile land . It would have been a dramatically different . And perhaps barren. Outcome

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    barren. Outcome . But this statement comes from an American patriot.

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    from an American patriot. Our first President Bush and his national…

    from an American patriot. Our first President Bush and his national security adviser General Scowcroft and explaining why they rejected the approach some. Urged today . As most Democrats here . Vote against launching a ground invasion in Iraq. We must candidly recognize that some of the most insightful . Arguments supporting our position. Word Vance by Republicans. And military leaders like scroll cough. Schwarzkopf. And Zinni. Party affiliations. Will not be chiseled on the gravestones of young Americans who die winning this war . Nor own those of the American families jeopardized by diverting pressures resources. From the real war on terrorism. Or those harmed by new terrorist provoked by what too many will view as a new crusade against Islam . Why in the face of overwhelming support. Do so many of us vote no today . We respond not just to those we represent. But most of all . Because individually. We must answer to the face we see each day in the mirror. We must answer to history. We must answer to our children and our grandchildren . When more than one of four of us in this house today cast our vote against this ill considered resolution. We vote not. Against President Bush who deserves our support and our respect. But aware of the continuing advice. He receives. We say. Listen to the better voices. Of your and. Listen to the voices of your better nature. The better choice remains. First attempt. Holding Iraq accountable. Through affective comprehensive . International inspections. Gentleman from Illinois . I'm pleased . One and a half minutes. To the distinguished gentleman from California Mr Hunter is recognized. Thank you Mr Chairman. In one nine hundred ninety one when we went into Iraq we thought our best projection was that he was straight A five years away from having a nuclear device . We found out when we got there that he was actually only six months to a year away from having a nuclear device . To have waited at that time as many folks proposed it would have been disastrous . Now the Armed Services Committee. Democrats and Republicans have held now.

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    Three classified briefings inviting every member of the house to…

    Three classified briefings inviting every member of the house to participate . To

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    every member of the house to participate . To see and to understand . The

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    . The weapons of mass destruction program that is ongoing and robust and…

    . The weapons of mass destruction program that is ongoing and robust and working toward completion right now in Iraq. With

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    MR. HUNTER

    and working toward completion right now in Iraq. With respect to nuclear…

    and working toward completion right now in Iraq. With respect to nuclear chemical and biological systems. My own opinion is that there are going to be. Nuclear devices manufactured in Iraq. Within twenty four months . To avoid it in one thousand nine hundred one would have been disastrous . To wait today. Would be disastrous . We've got one leader . One person elected by all the people. Our president who is now . Our commander in chief. It's time for us . Having been informed. Having understood the problem. To rally behind him and take up this burden. Let's support this resolution. Gentleman from California . The speaker I'm pleased to yield three minutes . To my good friend from Texas . Distinguished chairman of the Democratic caucus MS The frost. Recognized . Speaker I ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks without objection. Mr Speaker I rise in in support of this bipartisan resolution . It provides the best opportunity for a peaceful resolution . By giving the president the discretion to use force if Iraq does not permit fall and comprehensive inspections. Of all

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    inspections. Of all sites that could be used to develop.

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    used to develop. Biological chemical or nuclear weapons. I hope. As do the…

    used to develop. Biological chemical or nuclear weapons. I hope. As do the American people that the president will use this discretion wisely. And that

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    wisely. And that Saddam Hussein will understand that the community of…

    wisely. And that Saddam Hussein will understand that the community of nations will not permit him to develop and maintain and maintain weapons of mass destruction.

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    destruction. Mr Speaker today's vote is a difficult one.

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    vote is a difficult one.

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    Many House members have worn their country's uniform in time of war . And…

    Many House members have worn their country's uniform in time of war . And have seen the horrors of battle . firsthand And we all understand the sacrifices that we may be asking our brave young men and women to make. In the months to come . As. Chairman of the Democratic caucus . I have presided over numerous meetings on this subject . I have listened carefully to my colleagues. And the policy experts who have followed Saddam Hussein's activities over the years . In the end. I have come to the conclusion that the course set out in this resolution is the wisest path for our nation. The resolution makes clear that our first preference is for the president to work through the United Nations. To have a multilateral support for a tougher regime of weapons inspections. It requires the president to report back to Congress . And you consult with us on an ongoing basis. But in the end. It gives the president the authority to commit U.S. troops if all diplomatic efforts fail. Mr Speaker giving the president this discretion . Is highly appropriate. In so doing we make clear to Saddam Hussein . That it is in his interest. To permit the inspectors fall and unfettered access . Now . Should he fail to do so . He will face the full might of the United States military . The strongest and finest fighting force in the world today. Mr Speaker. No one wants war. We all want peace and peace is best achieved. From a position of strength . So I want to personally recognize the work of our Democratic leader Dick Gephardt . In narrowing and improving the resolution. Originally offered by the administration . We vote today on a better more focused approach to because of the hours he spent to go shooting with the White House over the final product . And I want to say a word about the role of the minority . In our system of government. Some suggest that the majority. The minorities role is to automatically oppose everything sought by the president. I disagree . The minority can play a constructive role . By working to improve a presidential proposal. And thereby helping achieve a national consensus . That is particularly true in matters of foreign policy. So I orange all of my. Colleagues. We guard list of how you voted on the spread. Our least substitutes. To join Democrats and Republicans. In voting for this bipartisan resolution . Mr Speaker this bipartisan resolution . Will send a strong . Clear signal that America is committed to ending the threat of Saddam Hussein poses to the world. Through democracy if he will allow it. But to military action. If he refuses to learn from California . This place the year two minutes . To my good friend from Ohio a respected member of our caucus Mr Cousineau more than two millennia ago the world began to shift from the philosophy of an eye for an eye. We were taught a new gospel of compassion of doing Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You . It is that teaching that faith and compassion that has sustained the human heart . And this nation. I believe. As did Washington and Lincoln. That America has been favored by divine providence . But

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    by divine providence . But what if we lose our connection to our source by…

    by divine providence . But what if we lose our connection to our source by an abuse of power.

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    connection to our source by an abuse of power. We are at a dangerous…

    connection to our source by an abuse of power. We are at a dangerous moment in human history . When twenty centuries of moral teachings are about to be turned upside down . Instead of

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    upside down . Instead of adherents to the Golden Rule . We

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    MR. KUCINICH

    . We are being moved toward the rule of liquid gold . Do unto others.…

    . We are being moved toward the rule of liquid gold . Do unto others. Before they do unto you . No longer are we justified by our faith. We are now justified by our fear. Iraq was not responsible for nine eleven but some fear it was. There is no proof Iraq work with al Qaeda to cause nine eleven. Bumps but some fear. It did . It is fair which leads us to war. It is fear which leads us to believe that we must kill or be killed . Fear which leads us to attack those who have not attacked us. Fear which leads us to ring our nation in the very heavens with weapons of mass destruction. The American people need the attention of their government . Today. People. Worked a lifetime are finding the American dream. Slipping away. People who have saved who have invested wisely . Are suffering because of corruption on Wall. Street The failing economy and of the climbing stock market. People have lost their homes they've lost their jobs they've lost their chances for a good education for their children. The American dream is slipping away and all the people hear from Washington is war talk so loud as to drown out the voices of the American people calling for help. Seventy years ago Franklin Roosevelt said we had nothing to fear but fear itself . Calling America to a domestic agenda. A new deal for America. Faith in our country calls us to that again. Faith in our country calls us to work with the world community. To create peace through inspection not destruction. Faith in our country cause us to use our talents and abilities. To address the urgent concerns of America today. Let us not fear our ability to create a new. More peaceful world . Through the science of human relations . Faith America. Courage America. Peace. America and from California to speaker I think it's our friends on the other side. Who have a Mr Speaker I am pleased to yield three minutes to the gentleman from South Dakota Mr therm Germans recognize. Thank you Chairman for yielding Mr Speaker today Congress faces a momentous decision. We've had a spirited invigorates debate. About an issue of the utmost importance to this institution . To our government to our nation . In the end. Each of us must decide for our constituents.

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    constituents. And for ourselves whether or not to support authorizing…

    constituents. And for ourselves whether or not to support authorizing President Bush . To use force against Iraq .

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    . President Bush has called for an end to the International Peace minute…

    . President Bush has called for an end to the International Peace minute Saddam Hussein has challenged the world to face up to its.

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    MR. HYDE

    world to face up to its. Ability and stop this evil man with his evil…

    world to face up to its. Ability and stop this evil man with his evil designs. Clearly Mr Speaker we would all prefer the diplomacy . It solve this

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    Mr Speaker we would all prefer the diplomacy . It solve this

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    MR. THUNE

    . It solve this problem. At the same time we must understand that…

    . It solve this problem. At the same time we must understand that diplomacy has not worked with Iraq. We've been patient over this last decade yet Iraq continues to defy the world community . Saddam has had his opportunity . United States must now determine for itself how we should protect our nations and our citizens . It is we. Members of Congress the president the American people who should determine the fate of our nation. Members of Congress . Have a difficult decision of determining whether or not the nation should go to war. As a member of Congress I accept my responsibility to weigh the evidence and vote yea or nay. Knowing full well what the consequences may be. I take this job seriously . And I'm willing to do my part. To protect our nation. And assure that Americans both at home and abroad . Are safe . I have concluded that to protect the lives and safety of our country and our people we must act. Mr Speaker . Is time to give the president the authority he has requested to deal with the imminent threat that Saddam Hussein poses to United States . Into the world . I hope the diplomacy will work in that Saddam will finally yield unconditionally. To international inspections and wept for weapons of mass destruction. I also hope that the United Nations will join the United States. In this effort. However we can't as a nation. Make our national security dependent upon any other institution no matter how well intentioned they may be . In the end. The growing coalition of countries supporting our efforts will see . The overwhelming bipartisan support. And the vote today as a symbol of the unity and the commitment of this nation to disarming he said Hussein. In the end our actions today Mr Speaker will be seen is the correct course. For our nation and for our world. Mr Speaker I urge my colleagues to join me in support of this resolution . And in support of our president . As we cast our votes today. And I yield back the balance of my time. Gentleman from California . To speaker on pleased to yield two minutes to my good friend from Maine. Senior member of the Armed Services Committee Mr Allen and I thank the gentleman for yielding. Mr Speaker I rise in opposition to the resolution. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant to his own people and a threat to ourselves and to others . If this were simply a referendum on him. The vote today would be unanimous. But the resolution before us raises two questions of fundamental importance questions that are . Agonizing for members of this body. First how do we diminish the threat from Iraq.

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    threat from Iraq. Without empowering Islamic fundamentalism . And creating…

    threat from Iraq. Without empowering Islamic fundamentalism . And creating new

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    MR. LANTOS

    empowering Islamic fundamentalism . And creating new recruits for…

    empowering Islamic fundamentalism . And creating new recruits for terrorist groups . And second . How do we avoid

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    MR. ALLEN

    setting a dangerous global precedent for other nations. To launch…

    setting a dangerous global precedent for other nations. To launch unilateral preemptive attacks . As a legitimate tool. Of national policy . The resolution negotiated between the president and House leadership. Is still a blank check . The Spratt substitute. Was not in its essence the Spratt substitute said . We are not willing to provide a blank check now for unilateral military action though we are willing to provide military force multilaterally. This resolution unwisely justifies action against Iraq again under the Bush administration's new doctrines of preemption. And regime change . This. Justification has the potential to create precedents that will come back to haunt us . If adopted by our nation or by others . Under the Constitution the president and Congress share warmaking powers. Yet the underlying resolution represents an abdication of Congress' historic. Role. We can't look into the future . If we act unilaterally we don't know today. What. Support. We might have from some L. eyes. How many troops it would take. What the president has in mind . A decision to use unilateral force should be postponed. To a later date . In the war on terrorism. We need more friends and allies and fewer enemies. We will get to that place . If we first. Make a commitment to working with our allies and only if necessary to rise the use of unilateral for us. I urge my colleagues not to give our rights away in this Congress . And to reject the resolution. Joan from Illinois. I'm pleased. One and a half minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Illinois Mr Kirk you know I think my chairman a colleague from Illinois. To this house we have seen this movie before . The enter our allied Control Commission . Of inspectors were granted. Full freedom of movement . All necessary facilities . Documents and designs . Three hundred and thirty seven weapons inspectors were deployed in eleven districts . They reported that they just turned three hundred thousand artillery shells eighty seven thousand machine guns and nine hundred twenty tons of poison gas.

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    In some they reported ninety seven percent of artillery and ninety eight…

    In some they reported ninety seven percent of artillery and ninety eight percent of men under arms were ineffective.

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    of artillery and ninety eight percent of men under arms were ineffective.

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    These were ports were not about Iraq.

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    MR. KIRK

    They were about post World War One Germany . And told us not to worry. And…

    They were about post World War One Germany . And told us not to worry. And when the Commission finally started reporting on German violations of inspections. The leading French diplomat wrote to President Wilson the following. Elements in each of our nations of the league will be quite naturally inclined to deny reports . Disturbing their peace of mind . And more or less consciously espousing the cause of the German government. Which will deny these reports. We must recall the opposition of these elements at a time when Germany. Armed to the teeth. And openly. Made ready aggression of eight hundred seventy in one nine hundred fourteen. To sum up the Germans will deny their government will discuss and meanwhile public opinion will be divided alarmed. And nervous . In the end. Germany rearmed under the eyes of three hundred international inspectors . As evidence of violations mounted the international community lost its nerve. To impose the will of international law. This resolution. Offers the best hope that Secretary Powell will get into. Factors. Real inspectors. Back to Iraq. Thank you going to California . Speaker on place there you have three minutes. To my good friend . Mr Skelton of Missouri. Distinguished ranking member of our armed services committee chairman is recognized. Mr Speaker . Today I speak of duty . This a third time that I have stood at this podium . With the question of military action in the balance . There is no more serious vote nor and more sacred duty than deciding to ask those who serve this great country to go an arm's way.

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    to go an arm's way.

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    MR. LANTOS

    to go an arm's way. And so it is a decision that must be taken. Soberly.…

    to go an arm's way. And so it is a decision that must be taken. Soberly. And deliberately. And must be taking mindful of the regional implications . And

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    mindful of the regional implications . And

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    MR. SKELT KRON

    . And it must balance the risk of not acting with those of not acting .…

    . And it must balance the risk of not acting with those of not acting . Prudently.

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    MR. SKELTON

    of not acting . Prudently. Went in Churchill's book The Gathering Storm.…

    of not acting . Prudently. Went in Churchill's book The Gathering Storm. Detail the world's slat in the Holocaust . I point out Mr Speaker that this his book . Is subtitled. How the English speaking peoples . Through their own wisdom . Carelessness and good nature. Allowed the wicked. To rearm. Many of us saw firsthand the consequences of that rearmament . Never again Mr Speaker. Never again . The issue of Iraq was NEVER whether evil should be confronted. But how. My own questioning began in a letter to the president on September the fourth. My concerns were doing besides multilateral action . Understanding the implications of using military force . For the United States' role in the world. We must have a plan . For the rebuilding of Iraq he government and society . If the worst comes to pass . And armed conflict is necessary. And we must ensure that America's commitments to the war on terrorism. And to other missions throughout the globe will be upheld . In short to paraphrase the great military strategist Karl von Clausewitz . We was NOT take the first step in this conflict . Without considering the last. This resolution while not perfect . Is a vast improvement from that originally sent by the White House. To my mind this resolution . Makes clear. Congress's intention. That America and Chivas goals multilaterally. If possible . As importantly it announces our determination to stay the course and deal with the aftermath of military action is taken. Having achieved these clarifications . The question before the House is this. Shall we stay the hand of the miscreant. Or permit the world's worst government to brandish the world's worst weapons . I believe that Mr Speaker. Difficult as it is. There can be only one answer . I support the resolution . Gentleman from Illinois . Mr P. Graham please deal for minutes to the gentleman from California Mr Cox Jones record. Thank you Mr Speaker. Thank you Mr Chairman and speaker as was so horribly demonstrated on September eleventh the greatest threat to our country today. Day . Comes not from the world's greatest powers . But rather from. Unstable and dangerous individuals. Scattered across much of the world with nothing more in common than their hatred of the United States . Some of these individuals are itinerant phantoms like Osama bin Laden . A

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    phantoms like Osama bin Laden . A very few controlled territory.

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    MR. HYDE

    controlled territory. And governments like. Mullah Omar and Saddam…

    controlled territory. And governments like. Mullah Omar and Saddam Hussein. It

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    Hussein. It is for this reason that we are forced to deal with Iraq . It…

    Hussein. It is for this reason that we are forced to deal with Iraq . It is not merely

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    MR. COX

    that we are forced to deal with Iraq . It is not merely that Iraq's brutal…

    that we are forced to deal with Iraq . It is not merely that Iraq's brutal and ruthless dictatorship . Is hostile to America. Or that it is given comfort to the al Qaeda terrorists . Or even that it possesses . The most gruesome weapons of mass murder. Beyond all of this. Iraq's barbaric. Dictator like the al Qaeda fanatics whom he supports. Is unstable . And a proven killer . We cannot deal with him. Or the territory that he controls by terror as if it were a nation state like any other . It is not . Saddam Hussein does not merely possess chemical weapons he has used them. He does not merely Mao The hatred for the United States it is well known that he attempted to assassinate our president . He does not merely tolerate global terrorism. He is one of its main. Incubators. We must ask however . Is confronting Saddam Hussein. Worth the cost that we will surely have to bear. If we are required to make good on our threat of force . To that we must answer . That there is potentially and even heavier cost of temporizing of doing nothing . Of adding a seventeenth two thousand U.N. resolution to the sixteen. That Saddam Hussein has already violated . What we learned on September eleventh . Is that. Turning a blind eye to the metastasized. Of cancer cells . Of terrorist cells. Is the costliest choice. We can make . And one of our friends and sometime allies such as for example France and Russia. Who have accused us of going it alone . If we approve this resolution today without their prior agreement . Will we not simply display to Saddam Hussein . That the world lacks the international agreement that is necessary to win the war on terror . To that I'm afraid . We must answer that if. Even such great nations as France and Russia . Cannot be convinced to see their own self interest in protecting the civilized world from the likes of Saddam Hussein and then . In fact the war on terrorism. Will indeed be compromised. But this is not the end. It is the beginning . Just as Saddam Hussein must know that America is serious so to must our friends and allies if we vote to deny the president . The backing of this Congress and think that then he can win the support of additional nations. We are delusional . Colleagues our purpose is a good one and we must lead . To save a nation from terrorist rule . As with Mullah Omar . And Saddam Hussein. Protects not only the citizens of those countries . But our own country . And the entire world. All of us must hope that when the United Nations passes its resolution . Saddam Hussein . Will this time finally see reason. And disarm. But as the proverb says . He who lives. Only by hope will die in despair. My colleagues let us unite hope. With reason and practicality. And willingness to act. Let us support this resolution. Gentleman from California . Mr Speaker I'm pleased to. Put a unanimous consent request . To my good friend from Minnesota Mr Lew Mr Speaker I ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks the language of the resolution has been improved significantly I will vote to give this administration authority . And I ask that this authority be exercised judiciously. And morally. Thank you Mr Speaker and I would ask that my full statement be placed in the record. Kinnaman statement will appear in the record. Thank you Mr Speaker Mr Speaker . And place the three minutes to my good friend from Virginia.

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    my good friend from Virginia.

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    MR. LANTOS

    Distinguished member of the Appropriations Committee. Is the moron. Jones…

    Distinguished member of the Appropriations Committee. Is the moron. Jones recognized. I thank my good friend from California .

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    friend from California . Fister speaker. There

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    MR. LUTHER

    are compelling . Fundamental reasons why this body . Should oppose this…

    are compelling . Fundamental reasons why this body . Should oppose this resolution. With great power comes great responsibility . Great responsibility to conduct our foreign policy in a manner worthy of our world leadership.

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    Consistent with the international standards of conduct that we have worked…

    Consistent with the international standards of conduct that we have worked so hard to establish.

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    MR. LUTHER

    that we have worked so hard to establish.

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    MR. LANTOS

    we have worked so hard to establish. For the better part of the twentieth…

    we have worked so hard to establish. For the better part of the twentieth century . The United States must continue to act in a manner that serves as an example to the rest of the world.

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    an example to the rest of the world.

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    MR. MORAN

    the rest of the world. Mr Speaker . This Congress. Is the people's body.…

    the rest of the world. Mr Speaker . This Congress. Is the people's body. That's why before we offer up the lives of our sons and daughters in the cause of war . We must have the final say . This is the amendment that just failed was about upholding the integrity of this institution. And of the Constitution that must guide all our actions. We should be making Saddam Hussein irrelevant. Not marginalizing the United States Congress . We make him irrelevant by disarming him. Discovering and destroying. All his weapons of mass production and his means of delivering them. We can accomplish that objective . Without leaving our allies on the sidelines. Or further inflaming the passions of people especially in the Arab and Muslim world who don't understand. Or trust. Our noble intent. We are not the only people prepared to sacrifice our lives for their security and the freedoms that motivate the human rights. We oppose this resolution for the same reason. President Bush laid a comparable debate. Until after the midterm congressional elections a decade ago. Why he pressed so hard and successfully. For the United Nations Security Council support . And why he successfully achieved . The support of Iraq's Arab neighbors. Mr Speaker. We don't need a new national security strategy . That with a policy of unilateral preemption. Tramples the foundations of the international rule of law . That has been this nation's generational legacy. To this small planet . We should be standing on the shoulders of the great leaders who have preceded us in this body . And who are the true authors. Of our existing national security strategy . That remains the best hope of peace and progress . For all of mankind. Thank you Mr Speaker the gentleman from Illinois . Gentleman from California . Mr Speaker I yield myself four minutes. Jones recognized . This speaker I wish to end my part in this great debate as I began in tribute to the patriotism of every member of this body. And this special thanks to my then friend and distinguished counterpart on the. Publicans side. Chairman Hyde. A combat veteran of World War two . Over the course of the last two days. My colleagues have expressed many different views . But

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    expressed many different views . But all have affirmed their commitment to…

    expressed many different views . But all have affirmed their commitment to safeguard our national security . To

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    . To pursue peace . And to

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    wage war only as a very last resort.

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    MR. LANTOS

    very last resort. The depth and dignity of the debate is worthy of this…

    very last resort. The depth and dignity of the debate is worthy of this grave subject . And of our great democracy . At the outset Mr Speaker I wish to commend our Democratic leader . My good friend Mr Gephardt. In the proud tradition of that great Republican Senator Arthur Vandenberg half a century ago. Mr Gephardt transcend that parties and politics. To craft and champion a bipartisan resolution . That best serves the interests of our nation. His leadership. Has been a true profile in courage . Mr Speaker as our debate has shown. None deny the danger posed by Saddam Hussein. We differ only in the means of addressing this mounting threat. And in doing so we grapple with two paradoxes. The first is the paradox of peace. Faced with an implacable . And belligerent fall . How do we ever toward the end or as all resolution affirms. Lies not in disavowing the use of force. But in authorizing it. It is only when the Iraqi dictator is certain. Of our willingness to wage war if necessary . That peace becomes possible . Saddam. Like his mentor Stalin in and all dictators. Recoils be forced. Strength and pounces on weakness. The second paradox Mr Speaker. Is the paradox of leadership . Faced with skepticism from some friends and timid bystanders. How do we forge the broadest possible coalition. To confront Saddam . Publicly . Few nations have responded to our call to arms against Iraq. Privately . As I have learned in the numerable meetings with heads of state. Foreign ministers and bass others . From the Arab world and beyond the United States. And Joy's strong support . Bridging the divide between public opposition and private support. Requires that the United States. Assert. Leadership. Our joint resolution will demonstrate to the world . Our step first resolve . It will convince others that Joining us is the best hope for securing peace . If we show the courage to lead . Others will follow. To preserve peace . We must. Authorize force . To build support. We must break prepared to lead our resolution resolves they spared oxers and represents the best means of averting war. And of marshalling international cooperation . It is for these reasons that I urge support for our bipartisan resolution . Mr Speaker in moments. We will be casting our vote and with it. We will make history . In so doing we dare not repeat the history of the last century a history characterized. By appeasement. And you know action. In the face of tyranny. It is the history . That shoot. Won't. All of us . Let us cast the vote in favor of this resolution. It will be a vote for American leadership . It will be a vote for peace . Yield back the balance of my time. Gentleman from Illinois. Mr Speaker I yield three minutes to the gentleman from Ohio Mr Portman but. Pending that I yield for a unanimous consent request to Mr Kennedy . Jones recognize. I ask unanimous consent . To submit my statement for why I believe. History tells us that supporting this resolution . And empowering the president for peace . Is the surest chance. To removing the threat to America . Without conflict. And giving the authority to defend America and freedom. If necessary

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    German statement being inserted in the record gentleman from Ohio is…

    German statement being inserted in the record gentleman from Ohio is recognized. I think the speaker and I thank you distinguished chairman Mr Speaker as we reach the conclusion of this historic and dignified debate.

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    MR. HYDE

    as we reach the conclusion of this historic and dignified debate. Now is…

    as we reach the conclusion of this historic and dignified debate. Now is the appropriate time to review the facts . That

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    compel the United States to act in self-defense . And in

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    MR. KENNEDY

    in self-defense . And in defense of the civilized world . The fact Mr…

    in self-defense . And in defense of the civilized world . The fact Mr Speaker is that the Iraqi regime is employing the vast wealth of his country . To develop biological chemical and nuclear weapons and direct violations of the one nine hundred ninety one cease fire agreement and in violation of numerous. United Nations Security Council resolutions.

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    Council resolutions. The fact is that the Iraqi regime is responsible for…

    Council resolutions. The fact is that the Iraqi regime is responsible for two wars against its neighbors resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands .

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    MR. PORTMAN

    resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands . The fact is that the…

    resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands . The fact is that the regime's abuse of the U.N. administered. Oil for Food program. Is creating catastrophic . Shortages of food and medicine. For thousands of Iraqi women and children. The fact is that the regime's association with terrorists undermines stability in the Middle East and threat. It's the security of the United States of America. The fact is that weapons of mass destruction . In the hands of someone who sanctions the wholesale murder starvation rape. And mutilation. Of ethnic Kurds Shia Muslims . And other opponents . Is a clear and present danger to the security of the world . Doesn't the discovery by U.N. inspectors of detailed drawings for constructing a small nuclear device and Saddam's three as yet this man un dismantled. Uranium enrichment facilities . Sufficiently. Reveal the dangerous. Ambitions of this dictator . Time and time again over the course of this debate Mr Speaker these facts have been acknowledged by all of those who have spoken . And yet. Opponents of this resolution . Continue to resist . What I believe is the obvious conclusion . Yes the president should continue the diplomacy. Should work with the United Nations to fashion stronger sanctions and a regime of coercive inspections. That work is under way as I speak . But what incentive does the Iraqi regime have to honor its international obligations. If Congress fails to give the president the tools he needs to compel them to do so. What incentive is there for the United Nations to act with courage and conviction. If Congress fails to do so. Mr Speaker we cannot wish . This problem away . We must save ourselves . We must act. I support the resolution and yield back the balance of my time. Shown from California speaker I'm pleased to yield for a unanimous consent request . To my good friend from Texas Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee Jones reckon. I thank the distinguished gentleman . I miss is Speaker because I believe the debate on this resolution is a matter of life or death for hundreds of thousands of Americans and other innocent persons . And believe that it should only be done on a declaration of war . By this constitutionally constituted. Body. This Congress. I rise to oppose this resolution . And I ask unanimous consent that my remarks. In its entirety. Be submitted to the record gentlewoman's remarks will be ensured in the record .

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    the record .

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    MR. LANTOS

    Bespeak delighted to yield five minutes. To my summer Cisco neighbor and…

    Bespeak delighted to yield five minutes. To my summer Cisco neighbor and their friend. Distinguished a person of extraordinary talents and qualifications .

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    talents and qualifications .

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    MS. JACKSON LEE

    talents and qualifications . Thank you very much Mr Speaker I thank the…

    talents and qualifications . Thank you very much Mr Speaker I thank the distinguished ranking member for his recognition . And his kind words. First I wish to congratulate all of the members of the House of Representatives . For the patriotism the. Patriotism that has been demonstrated . On this floor. And the last two days.

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    days. I think the American people saw something very special . They saw

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    MS. JACKSON LEE

    something very special . They saw

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    . They saw that we all. What we know every day. That people here love our…

    . They saw that we all. What we know every day. That people here love our country . Are committed to its values . And are committed and respected. Committed to and respect our men and women in uniform . I

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    come to this debate Mr Speaker . As one at the

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    MS. PELOSI

    . As one at the end of ten years of service. On the Intelligence Committee…

    . As one at the end of ten years of service. On the Intelligence Committee . Where stopping the proliferation of proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. As one of my top priorities. I applaud the president . On focusing on this issue. And on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein . From that perspective though of ten years . On the Intelligence Committee I rise in opposition to the resolution. On national security grounds. The clear and present danger . That our country faces. Is terrorism . I say flat out . That unilateral use of force without first exhausting every diplomatic remedy . And other remedies . And making a case to the American people will be harmful to our war on terrorism . For the past thirteen months it'll be thirteen months tomorrow. We have stood shoulder to show. Older with President Bush. To remove the threat of terrorism posed by the al Qaeda . Our work is not done. Osama bin Laden Mullah Omar . And the other al Qaeda terrorist leaders have not been accounted for. We have unfinished business. We are risking. The cooperation that we have from over sixty nations having their intelligence. And their cooperation in fighting this war on terrorism . The cost . There are many many cost involved in this war. And one of them is the cost to the war on terrorism. This is a. We cannot let this coalition. On Ravel. Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes he has chemical weapons he has biological weapons. He's trying to get nuclear weapons . This is a threat not only from him . But from other terror. Countries of concern. In the past. I want to call to the attention of my colleagues. A statement about Saddam's use of chemical weapons biological weapons. That was just declassified and sent to the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee. The question is if we initiate an attack . And he thought he was in extremis or otherwise. What is the likelihood in response to the air attack. That Saddam Hussein would use chemical and biological weapons . Response and this is a letter from. George Tenet the head of the. The CIA to the committee . Their sponsors. Pretty high. If we initiate the attack. Force protection is our top priority on the Intelligence . Committee We must protect our men and women in uniform they are courageous . They risk their lives for our freedom. For our country. We cannot put them in harm's way unless we take every measure possible. To protect them . So another cost. Is not only the cost of the war on terrorism. But the cost in human lives of our young people by making. Saddam. Who's on who saying the person who determines their fate. Another cost. As to our economy. The president. The markets do not like war. They do not like the uncertainty of war. Our economy is fragile. As it is the president has spoken in his speech the other night he talked about rebuilding Iraq's economy after our invasion . We have problems with our own economy . We must focus on building our own economy before we worry about Iraq's economy. After way invade Iraq. So let's do what is proportionate. What is appropriate . Which mitigates for risk for our young people . Another cost. In addition to human lives . Cost to terrorism. Cost to our economy. Another cost is to our budget. This cost can be unlimited. Unlimited . There is no political solution on the ground in Iraq . Let's not be fooled by that . So when we go in the occupation which is now being called liberation. Could be interminable . And so poor that the amount of money. Unlimited that it will cost one hundred two hundred billion dollars. Will pay any price . To protect the American people. But is this the right way to go to jeopardize in a serious way our young people. When that can be avoided . Aren't we respect the judgments of our military leaders . It is a civilian decision to go to war . But they present to us that is a major military leaders present us with options which they know are to be a last resort. These cost. To the war on terrorism . The loss of life. The cost to our economy . The cost in dollars to our budget . These costs must be answered for. If we go in. Certainly we can show our power to Saddam Hussein. If we resolve this issue diplomatically . We can show our strength. As a great country . As a great country. Let us show our greatness . Vote no on. Resolution. Thank you gentleman from Illinois. Mr Speaker I'm pleased to yield eight minutes to the distinguished whip. Of gentleman from Texas Mr Dylan. Jones reckonings and I thank the chairman for yielding and I commend the chairman of the ranking member . For what the work with the work that they have done not just on this but. The whole issue of the war on terror. And Mr Speaker . Americans have always had to summon courage. To disregard the timid counsel of those who would mortgage our security . To the false promises of wishful thinking and appeasement. The perils of complacency you were driven home to us in September of last year.

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    to us in September of last year.

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    MR. HYDE

    to us in September of last year. We saw in tragic detail . That

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    in tragic detail . That

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    MR. DELAY

    tragic detail . That evil is far more than some abstract concept. No…

    tragic detail . That evil is far more than some abstract concept. No longer should America. Allow dangers to gather and multiply. No longer should we stand idle . As terrorists and terrorist states. Plot to murder our citizens . As a free society . We have to defeat . Dangers . Before they ripen. The war on terrorism . Will be fought here at home . Unless we summon the will. To confront evil before it attacks . President Bush certainly understands this imperative for action. The president is demonstrating the strong. The strong moral leadership . To find and defeat threats to the United States. Before they strike . Because once a madman like Saddam Hussein is able to deliver his arsenal . Whether it's chemical biological or nuclear weapons there's no telling when an American city. Will be attacked . At his direction. Or with his support a nuclear armed Iran . Would soon become the war. World's largest . Safe haven and refuge for the world's terrorist organizations . Waiting to act . Until after Saddam has nuclear weapons . Will leave three nations with an awful dilemma. Well they. On the one hand. Risk. Nuclear annihilation . By confronting terrorists in Iraq . Or will they give in to fear. By failing to confront these terrorist groups . And for that reason reach regime change in Iraq . Is a central goal. Of the war on terror. It's vital . Because a war on terrorism that leads. The world's leading purveyor. And practitioner of terror . In power . Would be a bald failure. So that some call. Hussein. A diversion . But far from being a diversion. Confronting Saddam Hussein is a defining. Measure of whether we still wage the war on terror. Fully and effectively. It's the difference between . Aggressive action. And misguided passive . The question we face today . Is not whether to go to war for war. Was thrust upon us . Our only choice is between . Victory or defeat. And let's just be clear about it . And the war on terror victory cannot be secured at a bargaining table Iraq is a central power. Of the axis of evil. But President Bush . And this Congress are committed to removing the threat from Saddam Hussein's terrorist state only. Regime change in Iraq . Can accomplish that objective . Only really. Regime change . Can remove the danger from Saddam's weapons of mass destruction. Only by taking them out of his hands . And destroying them can we. Be certain that terror weapons. Won't wind up in the hands of the terrorist . Saddam Hussein is seeking the means to murder. Millions . And just a single moment. He's trying to spread that grip. Of fear. Beyond his own borders. And he is consumed with hatred for America . But I'm not here today to offer that definitive indictment of Iraq's tyrant. That's that has already been very clearly documented and it's well established in this debate . In the wicked litany of crimes against humanity . Saddam Hussein has composed. A scarlet chapter of terror. Are only responsible option is to confront this threat. Before Americans die . Time works to the advantage of our enemies. Not ours. Under our Constitution. America speaks through the United States Congress and our resolution. Is very very clear. The enemies of a free and a moral people will find no safe harbor. In this world . Today . The free world chooses. Drink. Over temporizing. And timidity. Terrorists and tyrants. Will see that the fruits of their evil will be certain destruction. By the forces of democracy . Now we seek broad support . But I'm telling you ladies and gentleman. Fighting this war on terrorism by committee or consensus. Is a certain prescription for defeat. We'll defend our country . By defeating terrorists wherever they may flee around the world. And none of us take the gravity of this vote. And its ramifications lightly. But history informs us that the dangers of complacency and inaction far outweigh the calculated risks. Of confronting evil. In the fullness of time. America will be proud. That in our. Hour of testing. We chose the bold path of action not the hollow comfort. Of appeasement. So let us just take this stand today against terror against tyranny . Let us take this stand against terror. Let us take this stand against fear . Let us stand with the president of the United States. Members of the house . I say to you. Just trust . The cherished principles on which we were founded. Put faith in freedom . And raise your voices and send this message to the world. The forces. Our freedom. Are on the march . And terrorists will find no safe harbor. In this world . Joan from California . To speak. It is with great pride in his judgment. Wisdom and statesman like leadership. That I yield the balance of our time to the Democratic leader Mr Gephardt of the sort of directness . Without objection Jones recommends . The speaker and . Members of the house . Twenty six years ago I was fortunate to be elected . By my constituents to serve in this house . And I represent. Today the district in which I was born.

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    I'm proud that the people of my dearest. District

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    MR. LANTOS

    dearest. District trust me to try to represent them. Every day. It's an…

    dearest. District trust me to try to represent them. Every day. It's an honor . That I feel every day that I walk into this building . That I am carrying the hopes and wishes . Of over a half a million people in Missouri.

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    Missouri. And I know today.

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    MR. GEPHARDT

    today. Is a moment. Of Sacred. Response. Ability. We come into this…

    today. Is a moment. Of Sacred. Response. Ability. We come into this building hundreds of times during the year to cast very important votes . But on days like today when we consider how we will protect our nation . Our people . The districts we come from and represent. These are the days when we must look deep inside . And make sure that what we are doing is right. Our greatest responsibility as legislators. Is authorizing the president to use military force. Part of the majesty of our democracy . Is that we do not entrust this power to one human being the president. But we share it with a co-equal branch of this government . And in a democracy the decision to put American lives . On the line are perhaps go to war . Is all timidly a decision. Of the American people through their elected representatives . No one wants to go to war . No one wants to put our young men and women in harm's way . And I know we hope that our actions today . Will of Virt war. But our decision is not so simple. Because we must weigh the dangers of sending our young people into hostilities against the threat presented by Iraq . To our citizens safety. Every member of Congress must make their own decision . On the level of the threat posed by Iraq . And what to do . To respond to that threat. I've said many times . To my colleagues that. Each member should be guided by his Our her conscience. Free from others trying to politicize the issue. Or questioning other's motives. This. It is an issue . Of life and death . And that preoccupation by some . To ascribe political motives . To the conclusion of each of us. Demeans. All of us . And what we're here to do. Now let me say to my colleagues. And my constituents in Missouri. Why I've decided to vote for this resolution . First September eleventh has made all the difference . The events of that tragic day . Jolted us to the enduring reality. That terrorists not only seek to attack our interests abroad. But also to strike us here at home. We have clear evidence now that they even desire to use weapons of mass destruction. Against this before nine eleven we experience the terrorist attacks on Khobar Towers. The U.S.S. Cole . On two embassies in Africa . But we didn't believe it would happen here . On nine eleven it did happen here. And it can happen again . September eleventh was the ultimate . Wake up call. We must now do everything in our power to prevent further terrorist attacks . And ensure than an attack with a weapon of mass destruction. Can not happen . The consequences of such an attack . Are unimaginable. We spent fifty years in a Cold War and trillions of dollars . Deterring a weapon of mass destruction attack on the United States by another country. Now we must prevent such an attack by terrorists who unlike our previous adversaries. Are willing to die. In these new circumstances . Deterrents. Well may not work with these new. Dangers prevention. Must work. If you're worried about terrorists getting weapons of mass destruction . Are there components from countries. The first candidate you worry about is Iraq . The twelve year history of the U.N. effort to disarm Iraq convinces me that Iraq is a problem that must be dealt with . Diplomatically if we can militarily if we must. I did not come to this view overnight. It is instead a volved over time as we have learned the facts about the Iraqi regime with clarity. As you know I oppose the use of force against Iran in one thousand nine hundred one . In favor of giving sanctions more time to work. Other supported force but thought that by dislodging. Iraq from Kuwait. We would neutralize the threat. In hindsight . Both of these assessments were wrong. In one thousand nine hundred ninety one. No one knew the extent to which Saddam Hussein. Would sacrifice the needs of his people . In order to sustain his hold on power. Deceive the international community. In order to preserve his weapons of mass destructions programs or take hostile actions against U.S. interests in the region. Saddam Hussein's track direct record. Is too compelling to ignore. And we know that he continues to develop weapons of mass destruction including nuclear devices . And he may soon have the ability to have a nuclear weapon against other nations. I believe we have an obligation to protect the United States. By preventing him from getting these weapons. And either using them self. Are passing them or their components on to terrorists who share his destructive and . As I stated in a speech in June. I believe we must confront the threat posed by the current Iraqi regime directly. But given the stakes involved . And the potential risks . To our security and the region. We must proceed carefully and deliberately. That's why I felt it was essential to engage in negotiations in order to craft an effective . And responsible authorization for the use of force if necessary . So we can defend our nation . And enforce U.N. resolutions pertaining to Iraq . At the insistence of many of us . The resolution includes provision. Urging President Bush. To continue his efforts to get the U.N. to affectively. In force its own resolutions against Iraq . I have told the president directly. On numerous occasions . That in my view. And in the view of a lot of us. He must do everything he possibly can to achieve our objectives. With the support of the United Nations. His speech to the U.N. on September twelfth. Was an excellent beginning. To this effort. Exhausting. All efforts at the U.N. is essential . But let's remember why we started the year when over fifty years ago . We were we remain the greatest. Advocate. Of the rule of law both domestically and internationally . We must do everything we can to get the U.N. to succeed . It's in our own self-interest to do that in one nine hundred forty five Harry Truman told the Senate. That's a creation of the UN constituted in his words. An expression of national. Necessity . He said the U.N.. Points down the only road. To enduring peace. He said Let us not hesitate to start down that road. With God's help . And with firm resolve that we can and will reach our goal. Of peace and security for all Americans . Completely bypassing the UN would set a dangerous precedent . That would undoubtedly be used by other countries in the future to our and the world's detriment. It's too high a price to pay . I'm glad the president said in a speech Monday that diplomacy is the first choice for resolving this matter. This resolution also limits the scope and duration of the presence of Florida to use force . It requires presidential determinations. Before our armed forces may be used against Iraq . Including assurances. To Congress that he has pursued. All diplomatic means to address this threat . And that any military action will not undermine our ongoing efforts against terrorism. Finally the bill provides for regular consultation with and reporting to Congress . On the administration's diplomatic and military efforts. And of great importance to all Americans. On the planning for assistance. Reconstruction. And regional stabilization efforts. In a post conflict Iraq. The efforts we must undertake in a post. Conflict Iraq . Could be the most enduring challenge we face in this entire endeavor. Which is another reason for doing everything humanly possible. To work through the U.N.. To reach our goals . No word on what this resolution in my view is not in my view it is not an endorsement or acceptance of the president's new policy of preemption. Iraq is unique in this resolute. It is a unique response . A full discussion of the president's new preemption policy . Must come at another time. But they SEPTA nse of such a momentous change in policy. Must not be inferred from the language of this resolution. It's also important to say that thus far the president's. Three dominant. Response to nine eleven. Has been the use of military power. Obviously self-defense requires use of affective military force . But the exercise of military power. Is not a foreign policy. It is one means of implementing foreign policy . In the post nine eleven world. We must motivate and inform our citizens. About how we construct a foreign policy . That promotes universal values. Improves living standards . And increases freedom in all countries and. All of them at Lee. Prevents. Thousands and thousands of young people across this world . From deciding to become terrorists. We will never defeat terrorism by dealing with its symptoms. We must get to its root causes . And intice a patient of the serious debate and vote. That we have finally reached today. I've had many conversations with my colleagues and friends in this body. Friends and colleagues that I respect. Deeply . I know for many of you this resolution. Is not what you want. And it's true for Democrats and some Republicans . And in some ways it's true for me. Many of my colleagues have had compelling arguments. And important differences with this language. These. Differences do not diminish my respect or my trust. For my colleagues is the true representatives of the people in this great nation . But I believe as a whole the resolution incorporates the key notion that we want to give diplomacy the best possible opportunity to resolve this conflict . But we're prepared to take further steps . If necessary to protect our nation . I've heard in this debate some members say they love America . I love America . I think every member of this body loves America. That's not the issue . The issue is how to best protect America . And I believe this resolution does that. I want to say a final word to those watching beyond our borders . To our friends around the world I say thank you for standing with us in our time of trial. Your support strengthens the bond of friendship between our people . And the people of the world . To our enemies who watch this Democratic debate . And wonder if America speaks with one voice. I say have no doubt . We are united as the people in defending ourselves . And we debate the best means for doing that. But don't mistake our resolve don't underestimate our determination . Do not misunderstand . That we stand here today not as arguing. Republicans and Democrats. But as Americans using the sacred right of free speech and thought . And freedom . To determine our collective course . And finally I think god . For those who've gone before us . And use their freedom while. Only for those who have died to protect it. And it created a stronger nation . And a better world because of their bravery. I pray that we may act today as wisely and courageously. As those who have gone before . God bless this house . God bless America. Thanks . Thanks. Joan from Illinois. Thank you Mr Speaker I yield the gentleman from Texas a majority leader the balance of our time is recognized. Thank you gentleman from Illinois for yielding. Mr Speaker . Let me just take a moment to appreciate this body . I had resolved to cherish my last days in this body . I had being as attentive as I could . To

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    being as attentive as I could . To

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    MR. HYDE

    . To everything that I had their prayer. Privilege of experiencing. For…

    . To everything that I had their prayer. Privilege of experiencing. For the past two days I have watched .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    past two days I have watched . My friends in this body . From both sides…

    past two days I have watched . My friends in this body . From both sides of the aisle . From both sides of the issue .

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    MR. ARMEY

    Conduct what has to be regarded as one of the greatest debates . We've…

    Conduct what has to be regarded as one of the greatest debates . We've seen in this body during my tenure here . I have been struck in the last two days with his sobriety. The thoughtfulness and the eloquence . And the respect with which the. Countervailing positions have been presented. And I would like to say to you my friends. Thank you for letting me be part of this debate . So distinguished minority leader Mr Gephardt had a sentence in his speech we heard just a minute ago . Very said we had to see the facts with clarity . To see the flat facts with clarity this is not an ideological debate this is not a debate about philosophy this is they bade. About the sober business of safety in the face of danger . Honor. In the face of fear. Responsibility . In the face of timidity. You turn to the facts . When you face issues of this gravity . And we have done that . Intensely for the last month or so and most of us have been looking at the facts that we hoped we'd never have to pay attention to let me just relate some of my travels . In this past month through the facts . Is Saddam evil . Who could doubt it. The evils that this man perpetrates. As described in this floor . By young Mr Ryan from Wisconsin from a book he wrote . He read from. Strike terror in the heart of the worst we've ever seen before . This man is evil. It's an evil that this world should never have to. Serve . And it took four victims . Particularly those in Iraq . Should not have to live with on a daily basis. She had Tri-City these are beyond belief . Beyond tolerance . And those poor people in Iraq live with it. Each day . Afraid to leave their home. Free to speak at their own dinner table. Frightened for their children. That might be tortured in order to punish the parents careless moment . Saddam is evil. That's a fact. Does he have dangerous assets . Marceau than we thought . More so than we ever wanted to believe . And. Does he have an ongoing consistent. Program and plan to acquire. To enhance those evil. Assets that are described by weapons. By the term weapons of mass destruction. Just structured beyond what any of us. Imagine. The acquisition of the weaponry. The resources. The resourcefulness . The ability to put together the device that would destroy . Hundreds of thousands and. Those proud nations with those brave people that live as . Islands of freedom and whole. Within seas . Of threat in terror. Look for understand they can depend upon the protection of the United States . That's who we are. That's who we have been our heroes. Our parents. They spent their heroism they spent their life. All too often on foreign distant lands fighting for the freedom of people other than themselves no other nation has ever done that . Like we have done . And nations such as Israel not exclusively Israel but right now . In the world today. At a level of danger that is unparalleled by any other nation in the world Israel struggles for its freedom its safety and its dignity and it is in imminent . Immediate danger . By a strike . From Saddam Hussein Hussein . And that represents a responsibility we have not only to what role we have played in the world not only to our heroes who have acted out and sacrifies. But to the character of this nation that we cherish and protest. I've said . Was clearly as I can. To me an attack on Israel. Is an attack on America . And it is mediately. In danger. Will he do sell. Who can doubt that he has a record of having done so that is deplorable . And the most evil. And insidious ways. Question is when will he do sell. Not. Will he do so. Why do you violate the will of the of your own commitments to the world. To the United Nations accord with the resolve and consistently. Acquire these resources if you have no intent to use them. Why you deny your own citizens . The resources for food and shelter and clothing and health care in order to divert that to the expenditure on weapons of mass destruction. And instruments a whore. If you do not intend to use them . Why would you deny your own clear. Volition. In actions past. If you had the resources to strike. Saddam will strike . His action against Saddam. Compliant with the character of our great nation. I struggled with this it was a hurdle for me for a long time. It all gets involved with this question. Of preemptive strike. First of all it is not a preemptive strike. This is a man who has consistently been in violation of his own commitments to the world for eleven years . As I put it this snake is out of his hole. We are not striking an innocent here we are correcting and error of complacency . So it is not a question of a new doctrine . But even if in fact you were do examine the doctrine of preemptive strike leave us not forget the Cuban Missile Crisis an embargo on the high seas . Is an act of war . And the threat to us. I would submit. Was not as dangerous as it was at that time. And it was certainly not so insidious. As it is today. There have been other incidents in our history when necessary America does what it needs to do . To keep America safe . And America. Does . Have. I pride . Which is exhibited in movies like thirteen days. For the courage that was displayed . When the action was necessary. There is an argument to. That this is a diversion from the war on terrorism . If you're going to conduct . I war on terrorism. Then you must stop. That person who is most likely and most able to arm the terrorists with those things. Who will frighten us which will frighten us the most. A strike on Saddam. Is and. Enteral. Heart a necessary part of the war on terrorism. Now we turn to questions about our ability. Can we be swift and decisive in conduct this operation with a minimal risk to the brave men and women that we asked to carry it out. It is possible we saw that in Desert Storm it is even more possible now . It will be a difficult operation our people will be at risk but we have the resources we have the resources on us. We have the ability to plan and execute an operation that rids the world of this scourge . Conducted by our young men and women and their allies in such a manner fifty hp them at minimal risk that's all you can do the moral imperative that we have . When we ask our brave young men and women who volunteer to serve this nation in the world in the cause of freedom to take the field of danger we have an obligation and we can say we can construct the plan. Outfits you in such a way supports you. In such a manner that you can carry out this deed. With minimal risk we can do that we will do that. We have an administration we have a secretary of defense. That respects . Are people . Should we vote this resolution that says. Any fact that we the Congress of the United States the representation of the people of the United States saved Mr President . We trust you and really rely on you in a dangerous time to be our commander in chief and to use the resources we place at your disposal . Yes even by two bills we will vote on later today . To protect freedom. Answer is yes. Mr President we are about to give you a great trust . Those brave young men and women who have volunteered in our nation's military services. Of their own free will to take their place in history alongside the American history . Heroes of the pass. Deserve our respect and our support Mr President we trust that you will plan for them . Use them . Care for them and be guided by your own notion of. Tender Mercies . But we also have an obligation to the parents . The children. The siblings the grandparents . Of those brave young men and women and our children to the cause of liberty . I've said so many times I don't care if he's two hundred forty pounds of solid muscle. The brightest kid in the class. When he puts on a uniform he's my baby. And I have here . And I demand that you treat him properly . As his commander in chief. We all have the right to expect can we expect that from this president. I say so. Mr Speaker I was speaking yesterday with Steve Boyer a member of this body. Who remembered. Barkin for Desert Storm. Saying goodbye to his family . At the last moment he approached his father. Proud veteran of the Korean War . His veterans had and his profit or put his hand on Steve shoulder and looked at him . And he said. You are the best. I have to give Mr President. We trust to you the best. We have to get use them well . So they can come home and say to our gratitude . Sleep or sleep safely . By bit. Yeah thank you thank you all time for debate has expired. Pursuant to House Resolution five seven four. The previous question is ordered on the joint resolution as amended . The question is on engrossment and third reading of the joint resolution all those in favor say aye. Those opposed No the eyes have a third reading joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq. Gentleman from Ohio. I mean you can use the chair notes a disturbance in the gallery in violation of the rules of the house and directs the sergeant of arms to restore order. The clerk may proceed with by the gentleman from. While I thanked the Speaker Mr Speaker I have a motion to recommit . At the desk . Is the gentleman opposed to get a resolution . Yes Mr The gentleman qualifies . I think the speaker I have a clerk. The clerk will report the emotion. Mr cosin it moves to recommit the joint resolution of House Joint Resolution one fourteen to the Committee on International Relations with instructions to report the same back to the house forthwith. With the following Amendment. Page nine after line to insert the following. See additional requirement. Prior to the exercise of the authority granted in subsection A do use force. The President shall transmit to Congress or report in unclassified form. That addresses the impact of such use of force on the national security interest of the United States. The report showed contain at a minimum. The following one. An estimate of the cost associated with military action against Iraq . As determined by the secretary of defense. And an estimate of the cost associated with the reconstruction of Iraq . As determined by the secretary of state. Be an estimate by the director of the Office of Management and Budget. Of any additional funding to pay the costs referred to in subsection eight. To be

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    pay the costs referred to in subsection eight. To be derived from one or…

    pay the costs referred to in subsection eight. To be derived from one or more of the following. One . Offsetting reductions in other federal programs. To increases in federal revenues. Three zero. Mr Speaker Without objection . Reading. Could be

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    THE CLERK

    dispensed with. Got objections to reading is dispensed with and the…

    dispensed with. Got objections to reading is dispensed with and the gentleman from Ohio is recognized for five minutes I thank the speaker and it isn't just suspend from the.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    recognized for five minutes I thank the speaker and it isn't just suspend…

    recognized for five minutes I thank the speaker and it isn't just suspend from the. May we have order.

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    What if we can have members and staff take seats we have ten minutes…

    What if we can have members and staff take seats we have ten minutes remaining No gentleman deserves to be heard.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    seats we have ten minutes remaining No gentleman deserves to be heard.

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    >>

    gentleman deserves to be heard.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Tillman's recognized. I think the

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    MR. KUCINICH

    Tillman's recognized. I think the

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Tillman's recognized. I think the

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    MR. KUCINICH

    Tillman's recognized. I think the

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Tillman's recognized. I think the Speaker I yield to thirty seconds to the…

    Tillman's recognized. I think the Speaker I yield to thirty seconds to the gentle lady from California Representative gentleman is recognized .

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    MR. KUCINICH

    the gentle lady from California Representative gentleman is recognized .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    gentleman is recognized .

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    THE CLERK

    Thank you Mr Speaker and. I rise in support of the motion to recommit . We…

    Thank you Mr Speaker and. I rise in support of the motion to recommit . We know that for every action . There is a reaction . We do not know what danger lies before us. Every American has the right to know what price. In terms of human lives and economic resources that they will have to pay. We all owe them so my answer is . This is about life or death . We all owe them answers to the questions that my colleague from Ohio has raised and will raise and far more in a democracy . The people have a right to know. Mr Speaker I yield one minute to my colleague a neighbor from Ohio Representative Sherrod Brown. Films record and thank my friend from Cleve International Relations Committee I offer this language embodied in the consented to recommit all motion. If we give the president the authority to radically change . To radically change our decades old military doctrine . Of containment and deterrence. We need answers to questions the American people are asking. If we strike Iraq on our own. Will our coalition against terrorism fracture. Most of our allies in the war on terror or oppose US unilateral lateral action against Iraq. In what would a unilateral strike tell the world. Does it embolden Russia to attack. Georgia. To

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    chase. Chechnyan rebels to set an international precedent for China to go…

    chase. Chechnyan rebels to set an international precedent for China to go into.

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    MR. KUCINICH

    set an international precedent for China to go into.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Taiwan or to deal in even more harshly with Tibet. Does

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    MR. KUCINICH

    it embolden India Pakistan or both. Each with nuclear weapons . From going

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . From going to war to protect their interest in College me or. If we win…

    . From going to war to protect their interest in College me or. If we win . A unilateral war. Will we be responsible for unilaterally rebuilding Iraq. This Congress should not authorize the use of force . Unless of the ministration going to what it plans to do. And how we deal with the consequences of our actions vote yes on the recommit will motion . Mr Speaker I yield by stealth three minutes . The resolution H.J. Reds one one four gives the president the authority to use all necessary force . At his discretion . This motion to recommit.

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    MR. KUCINICH

    to recommit. Is neutral on the central point.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    And I know there are people on both sides of the aisle . On both

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    MS. LEE

    . On both sides of the proposition before us. Who are interested in…

    . On both sides of the proposition before us. Who are interested in knowing that that this resolution does not take a position on the underlying bill . But with power. Comes responsibility and in a democracy the responsibility is to the people. This motion to recommit with a sign the administration with the responsibility to inform the American people on key questions raised by use of force in Iraq . Questions that members on both sides of this proposition. Have raised . The American people want to know what will the use of force in Iraq cost.

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    MR. KUCINICH

    what will the use of force in Iraq cost. And how will it be paid for with…

    what will the use of force in Iraq cost. And how will it be paid for with budget cuts with more borrowing . With

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    with budget cuts with more borrowing . With

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    MR. BROWN

    . With tax increases . The American people want to know what financial…

    . With tax increases . The American people want to know what financial commitment is the administration making. To address humanitarian consequences of the use of force in Iraq . The American people want to know what impact will the use of force. Iraq have on the economy. Of the United States . And on the important. Price of oil. The American people want to know how use of force in Iraq. Will affect. Efforts to prevent further terrorist attacks . The American people want to know these things because they know that ultimately they will be required to pay the price. They're entitled to answers. And the motion to recommit ensures that they will get those answers . Before they get the bill . Mr Speaker as the ranking Democrat on the National Security Subcommittee of government oversight. I've sat in on several meetings where the Department of Defense inspector general and the General Accounting Office . Have both informed the Congress . That two hundred fifty thousand biological and chemical protective suits. Are defective . Two hundred fifty thousand of these suits are defective.

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    MR. KUCINICH

    But the Department of Defense cannot account for them.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    This motion . Before us. Would help protect our troops .

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    MR. KUCINICH

    . By requiring assurance that the United States armed forces deployed .…

    . By requiring assurance that the United States armed forces deployed . Have been provided with functioning equipment. To protect against chemical and biological agents . Insufficient levels. And that this. That this equipment is not defective. Mr Speaker this becomes. Particularly urgent. Since the Central Intelligence Agency has just informed the Congress. That if the United States. Invades Iraq . Saddam Hussein can be expected to use whatever. Biological or chemical weapons. He may have . Whatever our position on the war. I'm certain that we want to protect our troops . Who would be called upon to put their lives on the line to protect this country . This is an example of the information . Which the American people have a right to know. Film and has thirty seconds remaining . I yield myself the remainder of the time. I'm so . Mr Speaker this has been an important debate for our nation. People on both sides of this proposition as to whether the end or not the United States should pursue action against Iraq. Are doing the best they can to represent our country. All of us love our country . But our love of country should include our desire to get answers on behalf of our constituents. Answers on behalf of those who would be called to serve overseas . So it's in that spirit that I ask my colleagues on both sides of the aisle in both sides of this proposition . To join in support of this motion to recommit with instructions . Thank you. Joan from Illinois . Thank you Mr Speaker when opposed to the motion to recommit. I certainly am recognized for five minutes. Thank you Mr Speaker I oppose the motion to recommit and . If anybody wants detailed reasons I suggest you read it . It is a very. Sets up roadblocks that I think are virtually insurmountable . You know in the thousands of words we've heard in the last couple of days uttered on Iraq a few. Important truths emerge. First Saddam Hussein. Is a very dangerous person . The history of his regime is one of. Unrestrained violence against Iran. Against Kuwait. Against the Kurds. Against the Shias and against others who is only found says to oppose his despotic regime. Secondly he hates America . Thirdly he is making a feverish attempt to arm. With Weapons of immeasurable destructive. Capacity. And when he is ready he will use them. Do you remember the first time you saw the films of the mushroom cloud and golfing here Ashima. And then you learned about the. Deadly effect of radiation on humans. That was nine hundred forty five. Does the fact that modern thermonuclear weapons would unleash a thousand times . The destructive

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    MR. KUCINICH

    You might ask why are we debating this resolution at this moment in time .…

    You might ask why are we debating this resolution at this moment in time . The answer should be apparent September eleventh. Was it was more than a wake up call it shook us out of a long deep sleep . And held us by the throat. It taught us there are people in the world willing to destroy themselves . To gratify their hatred and we had better take them seriously . We tend to visualize what we call weapons of mass destruction in terms of bombs. Reducing buildings to rubble. But missiles can carry bombs with chemical and biological agents . That can poison a city. As well as destroy its infrastructure . Either way its death and destruction. On

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    destruction. On a horrendous scale . Is

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    MR. HYDE

    scale . Is

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . Is such an attack imminent.

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    MR. HYDE

    imminent.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Did we know a Pearl Harbor was imminent.

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    MR. HYDE

    imminent. Did we know the World Trade Center attacks were imminent . The…

    imminent. Did we know the World Trade Center attacks were imminent . The willingness to destroy must never marry the capability to destroy. And Santiago's right those who don't read history are condemned to relive it. In a book written . Sometime after . I suppose in the forty's. By William C. bullet who was our first ambassador to Russia . Appointed by President Roosevelt. Called the great globe itself . He said to be that our swords into plowshares . While the spiritual descendants of Ghengis Khan. Stock the earth. Is to die and leave no descendants . The world looks to us for leadership. The world looks to us for strength. And resolve . We make no demands for territory or commercial advantage. All we want is a peaceful world . If you love peace prepare for war . Said the Ancient Romans there are ideals and ideas worth fighting for their the civilising forces that make life worth living . That respect the dignity that is every person's in title mind those ideals and principles are under attack. And we must defend them. By supporting the president and we send a message to the forces of conquest and chaos. That America. The West. Isn't as decadent as they may think . Support the president and I yield back. Thank you. Without objection the previous question is ordered on the motion to recommit . The question is on the motion all those in favor say aye aye. Those opposed to the nose have it the motion is not a christer speaker . Gentlemen from while I raise a point of order that a quorum is not present and demand a recorded vote . The gentleman objects to the vote on the grounds that a quorum is not present evidently as a quorum is not present . Therefore the name. Yeas and nays are ordered on the motion to recommit . Members will record their vote by electronic device this will be a seventeen minute. Vote on the motion to recommit.

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    THE SPEAKER

    Members in the rear of the chamber would kindly remove audible…

    Members in the rear of the chamber would kindly remove audible conversation the House could continue its work and.

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    MS. MILLENDER-MCDONALD

    remove audible conversation the House could continue its work and.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Burble think .

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    MRS. MYRICK

    Burble think .

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    .

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    MRS. MYRICK

    Joe Levy from North Carolina is recognized for one hour.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Joe Levy from North Carolina is recognized for one hour.

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    THE CLERK

    Joe Levy from North Carolina is recognized for one hour. Mr Speaker for…

    Joe Levy from North Carolina is recognized for one hour. Mr Speaker for the purpose of debate only I yield the customary thirty minutes to the gentleman from Texas Mr Frost. Pending which I you know myself so as time as I may consume. During consideration of this resolution all time he'll use for the purpose of debate online . Mr Speaker the House is not in order to lay straight.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    JERIC quest that members. Desiring to carry on conversation remove those…

    JERIC quest that members. Desiring to carry on conversation remove those conversations to the cloak room .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Members and staff carrying on conversation. Kindly cease audible…

    Members and staff carrying on conversation. Kindly cease audible conversation . Julie from North Carolina. They're always all points of order against a conference report to accompany H.R. five or ten. The Department of Defense Appropriations Act for Fiscal Year two thousand and three and against its consideration. The role provides that the conference report shall be considered as read . The defense appropriations conference report provides the tools in the resources for our military to wage an aggressive war against terrorism while the funding our nation against ever changing military threats . I'm sorry Mr Speaker but the house is not in order to middle aged . Sure would again request that members of staff in the rear of the chamber.

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    of the chamber. Kindly she shot of a conversation to the house can…

    of the chamber. Kindly she shot of a conversation to the house can continue a chore to let him a person . Each

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    MRS. MYRICK

    a chore to let him a person . Each generation of Americans has been called…

    a chore to let him a person . Each generation of Americans has been called The defend our freedom. H. time our forefathers in our mothers have answer the call . Our

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    . Our generation is time of national trial has come . We're being called…

    . Our generation is time of national trial has come . We're being called to stop. A new kind of enemy. Different from many we have ever fought before . This enemy is patient. Building resources and striking where and when we are least prepared . The enemy uses a different method. Each time. This enemy requires a new kind of defense. And that is what this conference report is attempting to build . I agree with President Bush when he says that our armed forces must be ready to confront. Every

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    confront. Every threat from any source. They could bring sudden terror and…

    confront. Every threat from any source. They could bring sudden terror and suffering to America. Our forces must be ready to deploy to any point on the globe on short notice . This bill increases operation and maintenance . By over nine point seven billion dollars . This nation must have will have ready forces it can bring victory to our country and safety to our people. The Rose best soldiers sailors airmen and Marines also dirs serve the best world's best weaponry . And in to ensure that our nation must invest in procurement. Accounts

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    that our nation must invest in procurement. Accounts

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    MRS. MYRICK

    procurement. Accounts . This Defense conference report contains a. Seventy…

    procurement. Accounts . This Defense conference report contains a. Seventy one point six billion for procurement. Our nation must give our military the weapons it needs to meet. Future threats. If the war against terror means that we must find terror wherever it exists . Put out by its roots and bring people to justice. Our military. Must have the means to achieve that objective . I'm also plays this bill make significant improvements in the quality of life . For the men and

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    women who serve in the armed forces . These improvements include a four…

    women who serve in the armed forces . These improvements include a four point one percent military personnel pay raise . And targeted pay raises to make great noncommissioned officers . Generous housing allowances it will significantly decrease service personnel out of pocket expenses . And across. Access to high quality health care. We can never pay our men and women in uniform on a scale that matches the magnitude of their sacrifice.

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    MRS. MYRICK

    John let me proceed . But this bill reflects our respect for their…

    John let me proceed . But this bill reflects our respect for their selfless service . I feel very strongly that we need a strong national defense and we need to be prepared. And indeed we are with this defense conference report. The primary responsibility for us as elected officials. Is to provide for the common defense of our fellow countrymen and to that are and I urge my colleagues to support the role and support the underlying bill . Now more than ever we must improve our national security. And I reserve the balance of my time to lay the reserves abounds. Over time the chair will receive a message . Mr Speaker. A message from the Senate. Mr Speaker the secretary. I've been directed by the Senate to inform the House that the Senate has passed without a mammoth H.R. fifty five thirty one an act of facilitate. Famine relief efforts and a comprehensive solution to the war and today . To recognize the gentleman from Texas for thirty minutes. To speak out you know myself such time as I may consume and I ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks without objection. Early today Mr Speaker the House demonstrated its bipartisan resolve to end the threat posed by Saddam Hussein. Now with this conference report. Funding the Department of Defense for the. Next fiscal year. Democrats and Republicans once again . Demonstrate our bipartisan support for America's national defense . And for the men and women of the United States armed forces . Over the past year Mr Speaker the world has been reminded of the skill courage and professionalism of the U.S. military. America's men and women in uniform have done everything this country has asked of them . And they have done it well. So I would like to commend the chairman and ranking members of the Appropriations Committee and the Defense Subcommittee. Mr Young of Florida Mr Obi of Wisconsin . Mr Lewis of California Mr Murtha of Pennsylvania . For the tremendous job they have done to bring this conference report to the floor. It provides us soldiers sailors airmen and Marines. With the resources they need to continue to ensure our national security . And it represents our bipartisan commitment to our troops and to the war on terrorism. Overall it provides. Three hundred fifty five point four billion dollars for the Department of Finance for fiscal year two thousand and three . Which is an increase of thirty seven point eight billion dollars over last year's level . It continues to fund the wide of range weapons programs that ensure America's military superiority throughout the world . And very significantly it provides for a substantial quality of life improvements. For

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    quality of life improvements. For

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    MRS. MYRICK

    America's men and women in uniform and their families . In particular this…

    America's men and women in uniform and their families . In particular this conference report includes. Funds for four point four a four point one percent. Military pay raise . And it provides. Fourteen point eight billion dollars for military health care . And seven point seven billion dollars for tri care for life. The health care plan for military retirees over age sixty five. Mr Speaker maintaining our status as the world's premier military power.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    the world's premier military power. Requires continued investment in the…

    the world's premier military power. Requires continued investment in the advanced weapons . Upon which our troops rely . The conference report

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . The conference report makes these investments and includes four billion…

    . The conference report makes these investments and includes four billion dollars for a twenty three F. twenty two Raptor aircraft. The high technology air dominance fighter for the Air Force. It also provides three point five. Dollars for the Joint Strike Fighter. The

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    next generation multi-role fighter . For the future of the Air

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    MR. FROST

    Force the Navy and the Marines and it includes nearly one point five…

    Force the Navy and the Marines and it includes nearly one point five billion dollars for the V. twenty two Osprey

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    the V. twenty two Osprey aircraft . And hundred twenty nine

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    MR. FROST

    . And hundred twenty nine million. To procure three Global Hawk U.A.W. has…

    . And hundred twenty nine million. To procure three Global Hawk U.A.W. has which have been instrumental in the war in Afghanistan . Mr Speaker I am pleased to note that the conference report provides one hundred thirty six million dollars an increase of seventy million . Over the Pentagon's request for the joint US. Israel arrow program to provide effective theater missile defense. Finally Mr Speaker I'd like to point out that our armed forces depend heavily on the men and women who serve in the National Guard and Reserve. So I'm pleased that this conference report provides more than twenty eight billion dollars in personnel and readiness funding for the Guard and Reserve. And one hundred million more than the president requested for the equipment they need. And I urge the Republican leadership after we have completed this conference report. To allow the House to pass the Senate amended version of H.R. fifty five fifty seven. The armed forces tax fairness act of two thousand and two . This important bill will restore the tax to do it. Deductibility of the training expenses incurred by our National Guard and reservists. These Americans are serving their country honorably. And they should not have to pay out of their own pockets . To get their duty to get to their duty stations. All in all however this conference report does a good job providing our troops with the resources they need to do the jobs. We ask of them. For that reason I urge my colleagues to join me in supporting it. And the rule to bring it up. I reserve the balance of my time balance this time. Gentle lady from North Carolina. Yes . Mr Speaker and again. At this time I have no speakers and I'd like to reserve the balance of my time to learn from Texas. As Speaker I yield five minutes to the gentleman from Wisconsin the ranking member of the full Appropriations Committee Mr Rove the gentleman from Wisconsin is recognized for five minutes . Speaker I have no quarrel with the bill that will come to the floor after this resolution. But I do most certainly have a quarrel with the fact that the conferees. Deep Sixed. The well still an amendment an amendment which would have said that no American corporation. Which tries to move its mailing address to Bermuda or some other exotic place in order to escape their fair share of taxes . May participate in obtaining. Government contracts. I think the practice of American corporations. Moving their mailing address. Especially in time of war. To escape their duty to help pay for the services which they're provided with by the government and to help pay for the common defense . Is outrageous and indefensible. I think it's on America. And I find it ironic that the bill which goes to the heart of our obligation to defend our country. Does not take that added step of also protecting our taxpayers. Just eight days ago. The General Accounting Office reported that two point seven billion dollars in federal contracts . In fiscal two thousand and one went to four. Corporate expatriates. The jail estimated at a substantial share of those contracts were defense related the Joint Tax Committee has estimated that over the next ten years . Corporate expatriates will cost us more than four billion dollars in funds that could help pay for our nation's security or any other government obligation . Now these are not foreign corporations. These are American corporations . With their

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    plants employees and headquarters. Tricks and mind all around the country.

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    MRS. MYRICK

    They simply incorporate in Bermuda . Or some other exotic place.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    With nothing more than a post office box . And

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    MR. FROST

    . And they do so for no other reason than to avoid helping pay their fair…

    . And they do so for no other reason than to avoid helping pay their fair share of the nation's cost including the nation's defense costs . That

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    nation's cost including the nation's defense costs . That

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    MR. OBEY

    action is obscene because those companies have abandon our country at its…

    action is obscene because those companies have abandon our country at its most critical hour. But they still seek to profit directly from the challenges that we face. They should be ashamed of themselves . And so said any Congress. That avoids its responsibility in bringing that kind of. Of behavior. Under under control . This house. Adopted. The look of the De Lauro. Amendment which it was aimed at the same item. And the Senate adopted the Wealdstone Amendment. And yet. The congress. As usual. Has found a way to to make it easy for some of the most privileged corporations in this country . To avoid their responsibilities to the nation. To their workers. And to the taxpayers . It's a shameful sham. We should not reward them with defense contracts. Or any other contracts with the federal government. We've now finished debating Iraq . My question is what's next boys and girls . Are we going to do anything at all . To deal with our domestic problems . Before we run home to our constituents. Pretending that we finished our job. I want to know what we're going to do to protect pensions . I want to know we're going to do to provide a decent education budget. A decent housing budget. A decent environmental protection budget. I want to know what we're going to do to protect. Family Security as well as national security . But evidently what this institution is going to do is to pass to appropriation bills . Military Construction. D. O. D.. And then cut and run and go home. I don't think this ought to be known as one hundred seventh Congress or whatever it is . I think it ought to be known as the cut and run crowd. Gillette if North Carolina. Yes and I do you know three minutes to the gentleman from California Mr Cunningham. John from California is recognized for three minutes. Thank you as speaker. My friend and colleague Jack Murtha told me to cut it off from stood a three bit it's all but I'll take a minute or maybe even thirty seconds. But I was going to spend the time . Talking about the chairman Jerry Lewis. And the rain keen member. Jack Murtha. I can't tell you he still wants me to cut my time. I want to tell you there is no better committee to serve on. And you don't know Republican for Democrat on that committee . They they're. They're there to help the men and women in this armed services. And I'm very very proud to serve on that committee and with the men in the women that serve for them with the staff. God bless you. Thank you for joining us back just before I have no further requests for time I yield back my time an urgent option of the reservation and yells back gentle lady from North Carolina . Yes Mr Speaker out so you know back the balance of my time to move the previous question . But that objection the previous question is ordered questions on adoption of the resolution those in favor say aye . I was opposed say no pain the chair the ayes have it your own. Jennifer must concept Jex to vote on the grounds of corn is not present evidently a quorum is not present under the rules a yes or nays order members will cord their vote by electronic device .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Members of the house now are voting on the rules for debating the…

    Members of the house now are voting on the rules for debating the Department of Defense.

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    MRS. MYRICK

    of the house now are voting on the rules for debating the Department of…

    of the house now are voting on the rules for debating the Department of Defense.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    of the house now are voting on the rules for debating the Department of…

    of the house now are voting on the rules for debating the Department of Defense.

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    MR. CUNNINGHAM

    of the house now are voting on the rules for debating the Department of…

    of the house now are voting on the rules for debating the Department of Defense.

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    I yield back the balance of my time. Down to California now you've got…

    I yield back the balance of my time. Down to California now you've got your back on my time . Without objection the previous question is ordered to questions on Doxy of the conference report pursuant to clause ten of rule twenty days and days are ordered.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    of the conference report pursuant to clause ten of rule twenty days and…

    of the conference report pursuant to clause ten of rule twenty days and days are ordered. Those in favor of the conference report will vote out those opposed about no members of their vote vote like tronic device .

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    MR. LEWIS

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

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    MR. LEWIS

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    THE CLERK

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

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    MR. LEWIS

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    MR. LEWIS

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    MR. LEWIS

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    MR. MURTHA

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    THE CLERK

    Resolution five hundred eighty resolution providing for consideration of…

    Resolution five hundred eighty resolution providing for consideration of the Joint Resolution House Joint Resolution one twenty two. Making further continuing appropriations for the for the for the fiscal year two thousand and three and for other purposes . Referred to the house calendar in order printed. For what purposes from North Carolina rise by Jackson the gentle lady would suspend plea.

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    MRS. MYRICK

    If members would please take seats or remove their conversations from the…

    If members would please take seats or remove their conversations from the floor . We will be able

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    conversations from the floor . We will be able

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    THE CLERK

    . We will be able to proceed. But generally from North Carolina . Thank…

    . We will be able to proceed. But generally from North Carolina . Thank you Mr Speaker by direction of the Committee on Rules I call of House Resolution five seventy eight NASS for its immediate consideration .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    seventy eight NASS for its immediate consideration . The clerk will report…

    seventy eight NASS for its immediate consideration . The clerk will report the message . House counter number to twenty seven House Resolution five seventy eight.

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    MRS. MYRICK

    twenty seven House Resolution five seventy eight.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    seventy eight. Resolved . That upon adoption of this resolution it shall…

    seventy eight. Resolved . That upon adoption of this resolution it shall be in order to consider the conference report to accompany the bill H.R. fifty eleven. Thanking appropriations for military construction family housing and Base Realignment and Closure for the Department of Defense for the fiscal year ending September thirtieth two thousand and three and for other purposes . All

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    MRS. MYRICK

    for other purposes . All points of order against the conference report and…

    for other purposes . All points of order against the conference report and against its consideration our way the conference report shall be considered as read . Generally from working on is recognized for one hour.

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    THE CLERK

    one hour. Mr Speaker for the purpose of the customary thirty minutes to…

    one hour. Mr Speaker for the purpose of the customary thirty minutes to the gentleman from Massachusetts Mr McGovern pennyworth time I hear myself this time as I may consume. The gentleman is recognized for such time as you may consume. Thank you. During consideration of this resolution all time he'll do this for the purpose of debate on life. The roadways all points of order against a conference report to accompany H R five zero zero one one military construction Appropriations Act of fiscal year two thousand and three and I guess his consideration . The row provides of the conference report shall be considered as read . Mr Speaker

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    conference report shall be considered as read . Mr Speaker

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    MRS. MYRICK

    I find this bill very timely and of the utmost importance since this…

    I find this bill very timely and of the utmost importance since this morning the House voted to authorize the use of night States Armed Forces Against Iraq. We're asking a lot of our military today . Our military

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    today . Our military personnel on active duty know that they may very well…

    today . Our military personnel on active duty know that they may very well be deployed overseas and perhaps on dangerous missions.

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    MRS. MYRICK

    very well be deployed overseas and perhaps on dangerous missions. So we…

    very well be deployed overseas and perhaps on dangerous missions. So we want to provide them a quality of life for themselves and their families that will allow them to serve. Knowing that their families will be taken care of a good housing . And with good health care. H R five zero one one recognizes the . Dedication and commitment of our troops by providing for their most basic needs . Improve military facilities including housing and medical facilities. Mr Speaker we must honor the most basic commitments we have made to the men and women of our armed forces. We must ensure a reasonable quality of life. To recruit and retain the best and the brightest . To America's. Fighting forces . Most importantly my must do all in our power to ensure a strong able dedicated American military . So that this nation may stay ever vigilant. Ever prepared . H R five zero one one provides nearly one point two billion for barracks. And one hundred fifty one million for hospital and medical facilities for troops and their families. It also provides two point eight seven billion to operate maintain existing housing units . This is because the House is not in order to generate these correct. Members will please take their conversations off the floor of the house. Generally they may proceed. Thank you Mr Speaker . It also provides two point eight seven billion to operate and maintain existing housing units . And one point three four billion for new housing units . Military families also have a tremendous need for quality child care add just as do other people in the country especially single parents and families in which one or both parents may face lengthy deployments. To help meet this need . The bill provides

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . The bill provides eighteen million for child development centers . Mr…

    . The bill provides eighteen million for child development centers . Mr Speaker earlier today we passed the resolution to authorize the president to use military force against Iraq if necessary. So now it's time for Congress to keep its promise to our armed forces . And

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    MRS. MYRICK

    to that end. I heard my colleagues to support this rule and to support…

    to that end. I heard my colleagues to support this rule and to support the. Conference report and I reserve the balance of my time. Generating reserves available time the gentleman from Massachusetts . Mr Speaker I want to thank my friend the gentleman from North Carolina for yielding me the customary forty minutes and I want to yield myself such . I'm a console gentleman is recognized for such time as you may consume . This is Speaker we have before us a fair role for the consideration of the Military Construction appropriations conference report for fiscal year two thousand and three . The role provides for one hour of general debate in ways all points of order against consideration of the bill. And I urge my colleagues to vote for the role. I would like to express my appreciation for the work of Chairman Hobson and ranking member of the subcommittee a military construction.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    of the subcommittee a military construction.

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    MR. MCGOVERN

    Along with appropriations committee chairman . Young and Ranking Member…

    Along with appropriations committee chairman . Young and Ranking Member Ovi. For continuing the tradition of strong bipartisan support in the drafting of the Military Construction appropriations bill.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    appropriations bill.

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    MR. MCGOVERN

    While there were some difficulties a negotiated. Negotiating this usually…

    While there were some difficulties a negotiated. Negotiating this usually non-controversial bill. Both chambers were able to resolve the differences . And we now have a compromise conference report. This is a very difficult year for the Appropriations Committee. And I commend Chairman Hobson and Ranking Member all over for Brita this house. A very fine build given the limited amount of funds allocated allocated for military construction needs . This conference report provides four hundred million dollars more than the bill this body approved. On June twenty seventh . And although this funding level is better than the original bill. The total funding for these important military construction programs. Is still less than fiscal year two thousand and two levels. Frankly Mr Speaker . This bill is woefully inadequate . And the men and women who serve in our armed forces . Deserve much better. However this final product is an improvement over the original House bill . And I urge the adoption of this role in the conference report . Is just Baker. I wish I could stand here and say that with the adoption of this bill . Our appropriation work . Or appropriations work is done . Far from it. The simple fact of the matter is that the leadership of this house. Has failed to do its job . Out of thirteen appropriation bills. This house is going to skip town. Having completed work on Exactly . Too true for thirteen . That's a batting average of one fifty four . Which doesn't even cut it in little league . It's terrible. And it's outrageous . And the American people should know that this Congress didn't meet its responsibilities . Having said that Mr Speaker I reserve the balance of my time. Gentlemen reserves the balance of his time the gentle lady from North Carolina . Yes Mr Speaker I like to inquire the gentleman from Massachusetts if he has any speakers . I think I have two speakers over there when I will reserve the balance of my time I don't have a speaker. Generally reserves the gentleman from Massachusetts . Mr Speaker at that this time I'd like to yield three minutes to the gentleman from Texas Miss Jackson Lee. The gentle lady from Texas is recognized for three minutes . I asked to speak it to address the house revise and extend my remarks started just . First of all

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    revise and extend my remarks started just . First of all let me say that I…

    revise and extend my remarks started just . First of all let me say that I arrived to support this rule . And

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  • 04:33:54 PM

    MRS. MYRICK

    support this rule . And previously. Rose by way of my vote .

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    MR. MCGOVERN

    way of my vote . To support the Defense Appropriations . And the rule.

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    MRS. MYRICK

    Defense Appropriations . And the rule. This is interesting that we would…

    Defense Appropriations . And the rule. This is interesting that we would discuss.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    interesting that we would discuss. This particular rule.

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    MR. MCGOVERN

    rule. In the shadow of our recent vote . Dealing with a question of the…

    rule. In the shadow of our recent vote . Dealing with a question of the decision of whether or not this nation should go to war .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    nation should go to war . And I do believe that it is important for those…

    nation should go to war . And I do believe that it is important for those of us who support our United States military and their personnel . Better housing

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    MS. JACKSON LEE

    who support our United States military and their personnel . Better housing

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    conditions and better .

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    MS. JACKSON LEE

    . Payment and quality of life issues. Should make it very clear . Just…

    . Payment and quality of life issues. Should make it very clear . Just recently I was able to travel to Guantanamo Bay . And I've seen the work that we do to enhance the living conditions of. Troops. And I do want to thank the committee . Responsibility it is to do that . And likewise having recently returned from Afghanistan I saw the frontline troops doing their job . That's why I think it is very important that. As we leave this . Oddie that we realize that those of us who had a differing opinion . On the question of going to war. Realize the sacred responsibility that we had and realize as the president is a commander in chief that we who might have opposition . Stand with the people of the United States . To ensure our security. But at the same time reflect upon the importance of the Constitution that says only Congress can declare war. We stand ready to fight terrorism . But I think it is very important for the American people to be wise and aware that we can find a way to resolve these matters . Without frontline troops being secure and ready . By continuing diplomacy first. And working with the United Nations Security Council . And not giving the authority of first strike . To the commander in chief without. The authorization under the Constitution . That we have to declare war. This is an important admonition. It is not stepping away from our responsibilities it is not fear. For I look fear in the eyes and I will stand against it. It is not a fear of fighting terrorism for I look. Terrorism and they will fight against it. But it is a recognition of my sacred duty and responsibility . To declare my standing with saving the lives of the young men and women who offer themselves . To fight for our freedom and justice in the United States military. We will go off to our respective districts . And each of us will of cast a vote of conscience. I believe that each of us should be respected as patriots and Americans. Realizing that we've made a decision on the facts at hand. But nothing can be denied that the Constitution remains that it was written by our founding fathers for us not to be silent. It was written. To be the underpinnings of democracy. So that as we look to give guidance . To this nation . We can be thankful for those who say . Sorry of us. In the United States military . But as well . Well. Mr Speaker as I close. We can say thank you. But as well. We can stand for saving the lives. Because it is a question of life and death. I yield back my time. GENOVESE time has expired. Who seeks time. I reserve mine. The gentleman from Massachusetts . Mr Speaker this point I'd like to yield to and a half minutes the gentleman from Ohio Ms Tubbs Jones . Gemma is recognized for two and one half minutes . Mr Speaker . I rise in support of this legislation thanks to my colleague from Ohio Congressman Hobson I've had an opportunity in the time that I've been in the U.S. Congress to visit. A number of military bases and I have been totally impressed with the people that I've had an opportunity to meet. And it is

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    meet. And it is so very very important having met them that they have…

    meet. And it is so very very important having met them that they have sufficient housing . To

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    MRS. MYRICK

    sufficient housing . To

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . To live . At least the

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    MR. MCGOVERN

    . At least the kind of life that many of us are able to live in our own…

    . At least the kind of life that many of us are able to live in our own homes across this country.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    I was surprised when I went to a couple bases.

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    MRS. JONES

    When I saw the schools and I saw schools that look like many of the…

    When I saw the schools and I saw schools that look like many of the schools that existed in the sixty's . When I was in school and the kids were still going to school. And the trailer houses that unfortunately had become permanent schoolhouses for many of these young people. I think it's important that as we move forward we assure the young people across this country . That we are going to be supportive of them and all that they do. I have a number of friends who have children who are now of. Of the age . And they are serving in military operations across the world . And I want to be able to assure my friends and their grandparents who are their friends and parents . Of my mother and father. That the young people that we send out on our behalf. Are well taken care of. So I just rise in support of this legislation having seen some of the things that we've been able to do and if I get too far along. I may be talking out of my. Out of school . But we're moving from one plus one to one plus two or whatever the living arrangement for the military are right now and I'm just please . To stand and I want to congratulate Mr over. Who I also have a chance to visit some of these facilities . And my good friend Mr Hobson. From the state of Ohio and congratulate them on the great work that they've done . Generally yields back in time a gentleman from Massachusetts . Mr Speaker we have no other requests for time at this point I would just close by. Again. Congratulating Chairman Hobson And. The ranking member all over. For their great work on this bill . And I would again . Urge the leadership of this house to to move out of the way and let. Chairman Young and. Ranking Member all we do what so many of us want them to do and what the people this country want to do . And that is finish all the appropriations bills. So having said that I would yield back the balance of my time in the US back to balance more times generated from North Carolina.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Mr Speaker I yield back the balance of my time and move to paid miss class…

    Mr Speaker I yield back the balance of my time and move to paid miss class John the resolution generally to yield back the balance of our time without objection the previous question is ordered the question is on adoption of the of the resolution. All

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  • 04:39:57 PM

    MR. MCGOVERN

    previous question is ordered the question is on adoption of the of the…

    previous question is ordered the question is on adoption of the of the resolution. All those in favorable police AI. All those opposed say no in the opinion of the chair the ayes have it the resolution is agreed to it without objection the motion to reconsider is laid upon the table .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    For what purpose the gentleman from Ohio rise as Speaker I ask you Nancy…

    For what purpose the gentleman from Ohio rise as Speaker I ask you Nancy sent that all members may have five legislative days was revising standard remarks in a conference report or company are five thousand and eleven I may include.

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    MS. HIGH LIKE

    conference report or company are five thousand and eleven I may include.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    conference report or company are five thousand and eleven I may include.…

    conference report or company are five thousand and eleven I may include. Tavern extraneous material . Without objection. Mr Speaker pursuant to roll just adopted I call the Conference Board to come to H.R. five thousand and eleven a bill making preparations for military construction family as the base realignment closure for the current offense. For the fiscal year ending September thirtieth two thousand and three . And for other purposes it is for its immediate consideration . The clerk will report the title of the bill H.R. fifty eleven. And act making appropriations for military construction family housing and Base Realignment and Closure for the Department of Defense for the fiscal year ending September thirtieth two thousand and three and for other purposes . Pursuant to House Resolution

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    >>

    September thirtieth two thousand and three and for other purposes .…

    September thirtieth two thousand and three and for other purposes . Pursuant to House Resolution five seventy eight the conference report is considered read the gentleman from Ohio Mr Hobson . And the gentleman from

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    is considered read the gentleman from Ohio Mr Hobson . And the gentleman…

    is considered read the gentleman from Ohio Mr Hobson . And the gentleman from

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    the gentleman from Ohio Mr Hobson . And the gentleman from Massachusetts…

    the gentleman from Ohio Mr Hobson . And the gentleman from Massachusetts Mr Oliver. Will each control thirty minutes. The chair recognizes the gentleman from Ohio. Mr Speaker this is a good Bill Ayers its adoption . And I'm prepared to you back one time.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Jennifer Massachusetts . Mr

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    THE CLERK

    . Mr was just speaker . I just want to thank you for you'll be back by Tom…

    . Mr was just speaker . I just want to thank you for you'll be back by Tom I just want to thank all the conferees for their efforts in reaching this agreement. But especially

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    efforts in reaching this agreement. But especially our chairman Mr Hobson.…

    efforts in reaching this agreement. But especially our chairman Mr Hobson. Is the two bills have very significant differences and he has led us to a fair resolution that I think all of us can and can support . And Mr Speaker

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    MR. HOBSON

    I want also to thank the committee staff from both sides of the aisle have…

    I want also to thank the committee staff from both sides of the aisle have worked so hard to put this bill they gather.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Valerie Baldwin Brian Potts. Mary Arnold Louise James and of course Tom…

    Valerie Baldwin Brian Potts. Mary Arnold Louise James and of course Tom Harkin for and. On our side. Who

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    MR. OLVER

    side. Who are the committee staff. Working together they crafted. An…

    side. Who are the committee staff. Working together they crafted. An agreement that we can all support I urge the members of vote yes for them. For this conference agreement and. Without. I yield back the balance of my time gentleman yields back to balance of his time the gentleman from Ohio said like to thank our good. Just the other people who is James our daily And I yield back the balance of my time . Without objection the bravest question is ordered. The question is on adoption of the conference report pursuant to clause ten of rule twenty Naser order. Those in favor of the conference report . Will vote I and those who oppose will vote no. Members will record their vote by electronic device. This will be a seventeen minute vote .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Now continuing with legislative business they've moved on to H.R. five zero

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    MR. HOBSON

    continuing with legislative business they've moved on to H.R. five zero

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    continuing with legislative business they've moved on to H.R. five zero

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    MR. HASTINGS

    on the joint resolution to final passage without intervening motion except…

    on the joint resolution to final passage without intervening motion except one. One hour of debate on the joint resolution equally divided and controlled by the chairman and ranking minority member of the Committee on Appropriations and. To

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    minority member of the Committee on Appropriations and. To

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    THE CLERK

    Appropriations and. To one motion to recommit. The question is will the…

    Appropriations and. To one motion to recommit. The question is will the House . Will the House consider the resolution. Those in favor will say aye. Those opposed will say no. Two thirds of those present having voted the affirmative the resolution. Shall be considered the one from Washington we recognize for one hour . you Thank Mr Speaker and for the purpose of debate only. The customary thirty minutes to the gentleman from Texas Mr Prosser . Frost penny which I yield myself as much time as I may consume. But the gentleman will please to spanned.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Members The sooner we can proceed the sooner we will finish if we could…

    Members The sooner we can proceed the sooner we will finish if we could have ordered the house gentleman from Washington . During consideration of this resolution all time you will it is for the purpose of debate only and Mr Speaker I ask unanimous consent to revise extend my remarks. Without

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  • 05:12:49 PM

    MR. HASTINGS

    only and Mr Speaker I ask unanimous consent to revise extend my remarks.…

    only and Mr Speaker I ask unanimous consent to revise extend my remarks. Without objection. House Resolution five eighty is a close rule providing for the consideration of one twenty two making continue appropriations for the fiscal year two thousand and three the rule provides one hour of debate in the house equally divided controlled by the chairman and ranking minority member of the committee. On

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    divided controlled by the chairman and ranking minority member of the…

    divided controlled by the chairman and ranking minority member of the committee. On appropriations the rule waives all points of order against consideration the joint resolution. And provides one motion to recommit . Mr Speaker.

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    MR. HASTINGS

    As one twenty two makes further. Continued appropriations for the fiscal…

    As one twenty two makes further. Continued appropriations for the fiscal year . And provides for funding at current levels. And we agreed in the Rules Committee that this would be through November twenty second at the conclusion of the debate on this . By

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    conclusion of the debate on this . By

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    MR. HASTINGS

    conclusion of the debate on this . By consent on both sides there will be…

    conclusion of the debate on this . By consent on both sides there will be amendments offered to change that date of November twenty second to October eighteenth two thousand a week from tomorrow . This major is necessary in order that all. Necessary and vital functions of government. May continue uninterrupted in Congress completes the work on the spending measures. For the next fiscal year so Mr Speaker I urge my eight my colleagues to pass the rule as we will amend it. And of course the underlying resolution and I reserve the balance of my time. The gentleman reserves the balance of his time. Gentleman from Texas . A Speaker I yield myself such time as I may consume. John is recognized for such time as you may consume. If the members here in the chamber. And members watching this on television in their offices. Are a little confused. There is very good reason that they should be confused. Now let me kind of review the bidding here what's gone on today. Down is correct the house is not an order .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    The Republican leadership .

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    MR. FROST

    If we could have one in the house. Please please members take your…

    If we could have one in the house. Please please members take your conversations off the . floor So

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . floor So the. Can be heard .

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    MR. FROST

    Gentleman from Texas . They Republican leadership . Is in a total and…

    Gentleman from Texas . They Republican leadership . Is in a total and utter. State of disarray and denial . What they first. Today we were told well they'd be continuing resolution. Till next week tell. And then no. They change their

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    mind. And there was going to be a continuing resolution.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    resolution. Till November twenty second. Now apparently they have changed…

    resolution. Till November twenty second. Now apparently they have changed their mind again . And now the resolution is going to be. October eighteenth which. is Next week. The question really is.

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    MR. FROST

    Why are they doing all this. Why can't they decide to let the House work…

    Why are they doing all this. Why can't they decide to let the House work its will on the appropriation bills. Why do they say one thing to members. One that one at one moment. Another thing five minutes later. Another thing another ten minutes later. This is a disgrace . A disgrace Mr Speaker . The speaker on September thirtieth . The fiscal year ended . And the deadline passed for House Republicans to do. Their most basic job . Passing the appropriation bills. That fun priorities like education and health care . In the ten days since then . The stock market has dropped to a five year low . And we've learned that another four hundred seventeen thousand Americans filed unemployment claims. At the end of last month. By stubbornly refusing to do their jobs. The Republicans. But by stubbornly refusing the jobs they're getting paid to do. The Republican leaders are hurting. The millions of Americans who are busy looking for work. This house has failed to fund. Important initiatives in education health care and other key priorities . Well here we go again Mr Speaker Republicans are still fiddling while America's economy burns . So . In a few minutes. We'll vote on a continuing resolution . That was November twenty second. Now it's October eighteenth . Who knows what it will be an hour from now. Republican leaders want this C.R.. So they can hide evidence of their fiscal mismanagement . It's the same Senekal strategy. They're using to hide their secret plan. To privatizing Social Security . Mr Speaker Why won't Republicans be honest with the American people. Not too long ago they insisted that the Congress. Had to vote on an Iraqi resolution. Before the election as the president himself said and I quote . I can't imagine an elected United States elected members of the United States Senate or House of Representatives saying quote. I think I'm going to wait for the United Nations to make a decision close quote . The president said. Well to paraphrase the president. I can't imagine being a House of Representatives who has presided over this failed economy . And saying I'm not going to do anything about it because that's exactly what House Republicans are trying to do . Postpone action on important domestic and economic issues. They are desperate to hide their failed economic policies. And dangerous so security plan from the voters. But they can't hide the truth. The Republican's refusal to govern is hurting American priorities. From the economy to education. And a recent memo to the speaker . The chairman of the Appropriations Committee outlined how just. Just how harmful. This refusal to govern is . According to Chairman Young quote. I long term continuing resolution . Would have disastrous impacts on the war on terror. Homeland Security and other important government responsibilities. Chairman Young's memo pointed out that a long term C.R. and we don't know what. How they define long term . Is it a week is that a month. That a long term C.R. would undermine the war on terror. By denying nearly forty billion dollars in additional homeland security funds. Requested by the president. It would shortchange our veterans by funding V.A. medical care at two point five billion less than what is needed to meet their needs and it would hurt our children's education by underfunding Pell Grants . By nearly one billion dollars . Mr Speaker we publicans failed economic policies . Have driven America. Into a huge deficit dish. It poses a grave threat to self security and other priorities like education prescription drugs and homeland security. So Republican leaders hope that by refusing to fund the government. No one will notice the fiscal straitjacket they put the country in the shell game is most obvious on education. Many Republican members want to go home to tout the bipartisan . No Child Left Behind Act . We passed with so much fanfare last year. But they refused to actually provide schools. With the resources they need to carry out the reforms. Congress mandated. And did the bill funding the Departments of Labor Education and Health and Human Services . Backed by most Republican members would gut education and other priorities. And that's why they don't want to bring it to the floor. Mr Speaker it's time to be straight with the American people and start digging out of this fiscal debt. That will require proof . Republicans owning up to the disaster they've made of the federal budget. For that reason. Members are going to be called on in a just moment. We'll have very serious questions about this particular continuing resolution . Mr Speaker the American people deserve . Honesty . From the Republicans on critical domestic issues. There is no excuse for this house putting off its most basic work. The economy is weak. Prescription drugs are still stuck. The budget is back in deficit and many Republicans want to privatized so security. It's time to quit playing politics it's time to get back to doing the American people's business. And to actually pass appropriation bills. Rather than the shell game. Maybe we have a one week C.R. maybe we have a one month C.R. Jay We don't know we just want to leave so we can go home and . Campaign . I reserve the balance of my time. The German reserves a balance was time to gentleman from Washington. Is a speaker. I will reserve my time on reserves this time if my minister the gentleman from Wisconsin . Mr Obey the ranking member of the Appropriations . Committee Gentleman is recognized for five minutes . Mr Speaker . What now . We have since Labor Day . Focused on most exclusively on Iraq . Iraq. And then. Iraq.

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  • 05:21:30 PM

    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    And then Iraq . We've now finally finished . That business

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    MR. HASTINGS

    finished . That business .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    And the average American family . Is sitting home

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    MR. FROST

    . Is sitting home . And they are wondering. You know

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    wondering. You know . I wonder when those guys and gals are going to get…

    wondering. You know . I wonder when those guys and gals are going to get around to doing the stuff that deals with our family security.

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    MR. OBEY

    I wonder when they're going to get around to dealing with on employment .…

    I wonder when they're going to get around to dealing with on employment . I wonder when they're going to get around to dealing with the fact that people are losing their shirts . And therefore a one K.'s. They're now want to one case . And they're asking I wonder when they're going to get around to protecting the integrity of our pension plans from corporate marauders. And I wonder when they're going to get around to dealing with the fact that a lot of Americans have lost their health insurance in the last year. And I don't understand this institutions reaction. I know virtually every member of this house . Some a lot more than others . And I know that when you talk to each and every one of you that you're individually people of goodwill . Who want to solve the country's problems . But when you get together. The collective result. Of that individual talent and concern. Is disastrous . Because instead of producing a determination to attack problems . What apparently is produced is a determination to avoid them. Now Mr Frost has described . The confusion on the Republican side of the aisle today . Here's what I think is at the root of that confusion. You passed a budget resolution at the beginning of the year . That told Phipps. It pretended that you could hold . Education spending . To a level that would say would stop . And grind to a halt the progress we've made in expanding investments in education over the last five years . You pretended you could afford a healthcare budget which cuts a billion and a half dollars. Out of health services to the American people. And you pretended a lot of other things. And now those pretensions are coming home to roost . And so the leadership trying to figure out how they can get out of town . Without having to face up to those. Irreconcilable contradictions. And so their original game plan today . Was to have a continuing resolution that . That put us over until November twenty second . After the election. Conveniently putting aside until after the election all the issues . The administration which has made so much. Of its desire to see accountability . In our schools . Is doing as much as it can possibly do to avoid accountability for each and every one of us in our stewardship . And so what happened in the Republican caucus is that some of the members got a little ditzy. And they said gee . whiz Some members. Said for instance wall you mean we're going to go home without. With the drought. Gene we want more time to deal with the drought. So all of a sudden . The November twenty second date is changed . To next week . Because the leadership still hasn't figured out how to resolve that because they've got a problem . Because while some of their members want to attack the drought problem. Their president our president has already said that he's going to veto a bill which pays for those drought expenses . So they've got that problem. Then they have the huge problem of wanting to hide from their constituents . The fact that they are bringing progress in education investments to a screeching halt . They've got their vote for the No Child Left Behind Act which promised all kinds of progress. On teacher training. On handicapped education. And on education for kids who need help with language skills . And they've got that vote but the problem is that Bill didn't deliver the money. The appropriation bill to deliver the money is being bottled up . Because they don't want to have to admit that they're not going to provide the money to fund the promises they made just a few months ago . And so as a result . This place looks silly . We have done. Our dead level best as an institution . To try to deal with the challenges facing us in Iraq . We don't know names or entire same challenges at home . This continuing resolution doesn't allow us to do that. I will therefore vote against it. I am against any. Continuing resolutions of more than one or two days at a time because. When I see that the majority has scheduled action on it I don't know a time of the hell dire. I'll vote for them. Not in a little time has expired . The gentleman from Florida . The gentleman from Washington . The gentleman to the floor does the gentleman from Washington continue to reserve a star. Before yielding .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Myself such time as I may consume.

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    MR. OBEY

    Mr Speaker. Less than forty minutes ago we were in the Rules Committee .…

    Mr Speaker. Less than forty minutes ago we were in the Rules Committee . Mr Hastings my colleague from Washington myself all. All of us were there to pass the rules. We passed a rule Chairman Young was there ranking them all he was there. We passed a rule that allowed.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    that allowed. All that we would have a continuing resolution until the…

    that allowed. All that we would have a continuing resolution until the twenty second of November . I came down here to the floor of the house and began talking with members indicating that we would have the C.R. until the

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    MR. HASTINGS

    with members indicating that we would have the C.R. until the twenty…

    with members indicating that we would have the C.R. until the twenty second. And lo and behold. Telling them that it's distinctly possible that we may be back next week or rats on the other point in time . But then I hear. The clerk read and Mr Hastings stand up and say that it is changed what has happened in this institution . Do we have a phantom rules committee somewhere . Or why is it that I continue to go up stairs thinking that I'm participating in a process of importance somewhere along the lines. We are losing our Runa. And we have things that need to be done and Republicans need to do it and Democrats need to do it. Liberals need to do it and conservatives need to do it. On behalf of this country. We cannot continue down this path . Mr Speaker this time I'm pleased to yield. Four minutes to the distinguished gentleman my very good friend from Maryland Mr Horne the gentleman from Maryland is recognized for four minutes. I thank the gentleman from Florida for yielding. I want to speak on the substance but I want to spend thirty seconds. On the process . I want to tell those of you who were not here prior to nine hundred ninety four. That your side of the aisle. Was regularly . Outraged at procedures that were pursued. None of which were as a grievous. As

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    some of the process that we are confronted. I don't believe this is a…

    some of the process that we are confronted. I don't believe this is a process that anybody on the Appropriations Committee.

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    MR. HOYER

    What sanction. On either side of the aisle. Mr Hastings from Florida . Is…

    What sanction. On either side of the aisle. Mr Hastings from Florida . Is absolutely correct. And I join him in those comments . Mr Speaker. I will be the first to admit this . House can point to real. Legislative accomplishments. This week . We considered our most solemn duty a resolution authorizing our commander in chief. To use our armed forces. We finally passed . Two appropriations conference reports . To down. Eleven to go . And we will soon take up a landmark. Election reform legislation . The Help America Vote Act . Of twenty zero two. But Mr Speaker . One week. Does not a session make . And there is little doubt that the preceding five weeks . Were anything but and of the Asian . Of leadership and responsibility. While we bobbed and weaved the American people took it on the chin again and again and again. The unemployment rate. Showed a tiny reduction. From five seven to five six percent from August to September . But it still was far above the rate of three point nine percent in October two thousand . There are eight point one million unemployed Americans today . According the Bureau of Labor Statistics . An increase of two and one half million Americans . From just two years ago. The year before President Bush took office . The economy created one point seven million new jobs. Since January. Of twenty one. We have lost one point five million jobs. The poverty rate increased for the first time in eight years in two thousand and one in the first year of the Bush administration . One point three million Americans . Slipped back into poverty. With thirty two point nine million. Now living in poverty in this . The richest nation on the face of the earth. The median household income fell. Two point two percent in two thousand and one . After increasing every year since one thousand nine hundred ninety two. More than four hundred thousand bankruptcies . Were filed in the second quarter of this year. An all time high in the same quarter one point two three percent of home loans. Were in foreclosure . A record high . But that's not all. The number of Americans without health insurance. Increased by one point four million people. From the end of two thousand to the end of twenty one. Health insurance cost increase. I thank my friend was right. For one additional minute. Mr Speaker. Health insurance costs increased twelve point seven percent in twenty zero two the largest annual increase . Since ninety ninety. Prescription drug prices increased by nearly twice the rate of inflation in two thousand and one. And then of course as all of us know the stock market has lost four point five trillion dollars in value between January . Twenty one . And September twentieth two but the top are the most egregious statistic . For which we have a large share of the responsibility. Has been the historic reversal of the federal budget. The. Eighty six point six billion dollars surplus inherited by this administration not including Social Security . One additional minute. Thirty of your listening and an additional thirty seconds or thirty seconds. Eighty six point six billion budget surplus excluding So security the President Bush inherited. Has turned into a three hundred and fourteen billion dollar deficit. Almost half a trillion dollars. And the only medicine the Republican party's economic growth can prescribe . Is this. Cut taxes . As we consider this continuing resolution. I urge the American people. To ask themselves. Ronald Reagan's famous questions . Are you better off today than you were two years ago. The gentleman just expired tragically in unfortunately is the gentleman's time has expired the gentleman from Washington. Thank you Mr Speaker I yield myself as much time as I may consume. The gentleman is recognized for such time as he may consume. This is speaker last week we went through a very similar debate . When we passed the. C.R. last week to get us to this point. And there is some heated discussion on the floor and. There was a bit of finger pointing. And I don't think it does this institutional. That good

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    MR. HOYER

    finger pointing. And I don't think it does this institutional. That good

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    institutional. That good to point fingers but necessary by.

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    MR. HOYER

    but necessary by. But I suppose that's just the nature of a political body…

    but necessary by. But I suppose that's just the nature of a political body that . That has to

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    just the nature of a political body that . That has to

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    MR. HOYER

    body that . That has to

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . That has to happen. I think it. In that

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    MR. HASTINGS

    think it. In that light it may be instructive just to review . Where we

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . Where we where we started one hundred separate seventh Congress and its…

    . Where we where we started one hundred separate seventh Congress and its start of this year .

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    MR. HASTINGS

    separate seventh Congress and its start of this year . And where we are…

    separate seventh Congress and its start of this year . And where we are right now that perhaps is added to some of the . Sounds like confusion that we're going through this time . We are required by law . As we all know to pass a budget and agree on some numbers between the House and the Senate we've talked about that at length . On the floor of this house . And we all know that the House responded to that in a way and passed a budget according to the rules and laws that we abide by. We also know that the Senate. Did not do that. Well. It presents a problem. Obviously. Simply because we don't have an agreement on both sides by which to argue about. Our differences. It causes some dissension it certainly doesn't make the appropriators job . Very easily . But that's the framework by which we have to work with this appropriation process . So we have tried then to get bills out at . least Have broad consensus. Five of my fifth My number is correct of past the past the house now . Way in action the in the Senate. And yes we have some contentious appropriation bills that are need to be acted on later. Every year. As a matter of fact the same bills tend to pop up that are contentious . And the appropriators are working very hard to try to work out the differences so we can narrow that gap. But unfortunately . This year happens to be an election year . And everybody everybody on. Or at least one third of the other body . And everybody in this body. Desires to . Go home. To campaign . And hopefully come back and start one hundred eighth Congress a new. But before we do that. Of course we have to finish. This process . Now it's true when we were up in the rules meeting earlier this afternoon . The C.R. was to take us until November twenty second. The reason for that. Time between then and now. Was to give the . Appropriators a little bit more time to work out the differences that they may or may not have and try to take a deep breath. Come back after the election and get it resolved . Of course in this body there are a lot of discussions that go on. Under the radar. And it was felt . Probably through signals of members perhaps on both sides of the aisle . That a resolution . Carrying a C.R. to November twenty second May not have passed. We don't know that we can put it to a vote but. Sometimes you take a gauge and you learn how the levels are . So a termination was made OK . Because there had been talk. Not only last week but the week before . That probably the last C.R. would be on the eighteenth of this month. So the terminations was made then that we would. That we would have the C.R. until the next week to allow the appropriators to go back to work. And. And that's what this. This rule is all about is to allow us to have a C.R. to take us into next week will come back next week. I suppose that . We will hear the same sort of rhetoric . Next week. As we try to get to get all of our business done. But I think this is a responsible way to do it. There are some major issues . Dad . That are that are overhanging the whole Capitol not just this body . Today we passed a very historic piece of legislation that. As you know we debated for two and a half days on there regarding the Iraqi situation . But in line with the Iraqi situation the potential I mean. We may have to go to war . Is the issue of homeland security . And we have acted on that when the president came to the Congress. With his proposal for a homeland security. There were members. Probably on both sides of the aisle. That said would it be great if we could create an office of homeland security and have that done. By September eleventh . Well we didn't get it done by September eleventh but the House did act on that bill. And that is waiting in the other body again . For for that bill to pass a week and work out whatever differences we may have . I think it would be unconscionable for us as a Congress in view of what we did today when the action on Iraq . To leave here . To leave here and not pass a homeland security bill. I hope that the other body will . Will work on that I hope they work extremely hard on that. In the next week so that when we come back we'll have to come back next week to at least if nothing else respond to the C.R.. That we can perhaps go to a couple. I just tell my friends from Florida that he has his own time. And I will be more unhappy on his time if you'd like to respond . But I believe that for us as a as a Congress. One of the things that we need to do is to put a final explanation point. On I what I think all Americans want us to do in lieu of the threat that we have coming from the Middle East and particularly Iraq . Is to make sure that our homeland security is the strong as it can be. It can only be stronger . In my view . If the Senate acts on that bill. We can go to conference work out the day. Francis impassive So with that Mr Speaker I will I will reserve my time. The gentleman reserves the balance was time the gentleman from would already be so kind as to inform us asked amount of time remaining on both sides the gentleman from Florida has twelve minutes remaining The gentleman from Washington has twenty two and a half minutes remaining. Mr Speaker . You must also show him as I may consume . I was going to ask my good friend. And namesake Mr Hastings from Washington. Whether or not we needed a budget resolution to pass. The defense bill to day. We didn't need one. And all we going to take up appropriations measures next week when we return and I would yield to the gentleman to respond.

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    Well. In the best of all worlds of course it'd be nice if we could do that.

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    MR. HASTINGS

    I think that anything is possible is it likely. Probably not in all…

    I think that anything is possible is it likely. Probably not in all honesty but I will say this. But

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    say this. But at the end. To reclaim our time just for a moment did you…

    say this. But at the end. To reclaim our time just for a moment did you not just say though that that was the purpose of the C.R..

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    MR. HASTINGS

    was the purpose of the C.R.. Though I did say it. No I'm sorry if the…

    was the purpose of the C.R.. Though I did say it. No I'm sorry if the gentleman is a gentleman misinterpreted what I said that the purpose of the C.R. is to fund the government for one more week . If. In fact over that period of time . These things can come together and you are not going to answer I reclaim my time you not going to answer my question you did not need a budget resolution as you argued that we needed in order for us to go forward with the defense bill today. The

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    MR. HASTINGS

    for us to go forward with the defense bill today. The answer to that is no…

    for us to go forward with the defense bill today. The answer to that is no we did not. The answer to all we're going to take up appropriations measures next week . Absolutely not we're going to come back here and do another C.R.. And we need

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    MR. HASTINGS

    here and do another C.R.. And we need to get on with it at this time as a…

    here and do another C.R.. And we need to get on with it at this time as a Speaker I yield three minutes . To the gentleman from

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    MR. HASTINGS

    Minnesota on this to say both gentlemen from Minnesota is recognized for…

    Minnesota on this to say both gentlemen from Minnesota is recognized for three minutes. I thank the gentleman for yielding and I'm wondering if my friend from Wisconsin were deal to a question.

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    MR. HASTINGS

    I am very curious about this explanation that we cannot act on…

    I am very curious about this explanation that we cannot act on appropriation bills. Because there is no conference or agreement on a budget resolution . As our friend Mr Hastings from Florida and. We passed two final bills today . Is that not right. How can we do that . Well are the answers the gentleman to yield the answer is very simple. When they had the will to pass a bill. They passed it. When they don't want to pass the bills they don't pass it. Do they

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    pass it. Do they want they weren't trying to hide what they were doing on…

    pass it. Do they want they weren't trying to hide what they were doing on defense but they are trying to hide what they're doing on education agriculture and transportation.

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    MR. SABO

    trying to hide what they're doing on education agriculture and…

    trying to hide what they're doing on education agriculture and transportation. Do we have a number of bills that have been passed out a committee a bailable for floor action. You bet we have the agriculture bill we have the. Labor age could be ready very quickly if they were if they would let us bring it to a vote. We have the hundred day independent offices bill . We have a number of others as well . I thank the gentleman I.

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    gentleman I. And I will have another question from the gentleman I. I read…

    gentleman I. And I will have another question from the gentleman I. I read this continuing resolution and there is something that they won't hers . As we all know our economy is fragile . And that there is always dispute what we can or should do at the federal level to help speed up the economy .

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    MR. SABO

    do at the federal level to help speed up the economy .

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    MR. OBEY

    . Clearly one of the areas in this country where we have major problems is…

    . Clearly one of the areas in this country where we have major problems is our transportation infrastructure . Would determine yield. Am I

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    MR. SABO

    right that this year we're having a highway obligation Limon about thirty…

    right that this year we're having a highway obligation Limon about thirty one point eight billion dollars . The language in this C.R. You know this share. Right now we're operating under under the level of to describe us. And our previous. Continuing resolutions . We were told had not Legation limit of thirty one point eight billion dollars . Right. What is the language in the bill today . I read it and it seems to me. We're writing into law. Something about one. Thirty one point eight That appears to be a smokescreen . To make some people feel good . And

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    MR. OBEY

    then there's an exception for it. Which indicates and takes us back to the…

    then there's an exception for it. Which indicates and takes us back to the highway obligation limit at twenty seven point seven.

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    MR. SABO

    back to the highway obligation limit at twenty seven point seven.

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    MR. OBEY

    back to the highway obligation limit at twenty seven point seven. That's…

    back to the highway obligation limit at twenty seven point seven. That's correct . This resolution cuts the amount that would be available to the States . Twenty seven point seven

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    MR. SABO

    to the States . Twenty seven point seven billion dollars. So your state is…

    to the States . Twenty seven point seven billion dollars. So your state is going to lose fifty four million dollars My state's going to lose sixty nine million dollars. If

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    MR. OBEY

    million dollars My state's going to lose sixty nine million dollars. If

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    MR. SABO

    nine million dollars. If it's carried to term . And so on. This is…

    nine million dollars. If it's carried to term . And so on. This is confusing. I know that there is debts agreement between the House and Senate bills . But all the interpretations of what we have been doing with the good gentleman yield me an extra extra minute. Gemma's recognize for one additional minute. I think it is clear that no one can dispute that if we want to spend money . That has impact on jobs . Maintaining

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    MR. OBEY

    . Maintaining or creating jobs . The best money spent are an excess thing…

    . Maintaining or creating jobs . The best money spent are an excess thing programs where plans are made where states are ready to spend . Am I wrong. If the general would yield you're right and what's at stake here is two hundred thousand jobs .

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    MR. SABO

    yield you're right and what's at stake here is two hundred thousand jobs .…

    yield you're right and what's at stake here is two hundred thousand jobs . In and so this bill goes contrary to what we've done in our first couple of C. hours. And actually right into the say are that we're reducing funding for highways next year . That's right

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    MR. HASTINGS

    that we're reducing funding for highways next year . That's right

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    that we're reducing funding for highways next year . That's right

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    MR. SABO

    funding for highways next year . That's right instead of having a…

    funding for highways next year . That's right instead of having a disagreement between the House and the Senate. We have a disagreement between the House and the house . I thank the gentleman as time has expired . Who seeks time.

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    MR. OBEY

    This is going to write Washington I'm pleased to yield to the…

    This is going to write Washington I'm pleased to yield to the distinguished chairman Appropriations Committee as much time as he may consume . And Mr

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    MR. SABO

    as he may consume . And Mr Young. For the gentleman is recognized for such…

    as he may consume . And Mr Young. For the gentleman is recognized for such time as you may consume. Mr Speaker I thank the gentleman . For yielding . And I feel a sense of frustration similar to someone who's been expressed on the floor because I joined some of my colleagues at the Rules Committee . In

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    MR. OBEY

    on the floor because I joined some of my colleagues at the Rules Committee…

    on the floor because I joined some of my colleagues at the Rules Committee . In seeking support for a rule. To allow this C.R. to be

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    MR. SABO

    brought up. To do what one thing.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    To keep the government running . Beyond . Tomorrow night at midnight.…

    To keep the government running . Beyond . Tomorrow night at midnight. There may be some here who would like to see the government closed down. And then

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    MR. HASTINGS

    play the blame game . It's your fault . Or it's your fault. Or it's our…

    play the blame game . It's your fault . Or it's your fault. Or it's our fault ours their fault.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    The problem is the blame game doesn't get us anywhere . Now

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    MR. YOUNG

    . Now we're here with the C.R.. Because the appropriations bills haven't…

    . Now we're here with the C.R.. Because the appropriations bills haven't become law. Today we passed the conference reports on the defense bill with a very healthy bipartisan vote . On the military construction bill with a very bipartisan vote . Those are two good bills that we had promised the president we would get them to his desk before any other. But if anybody listening to this debate. All of a sudden believes that we haven't passed the appropriations bill because the Appropriations Committee hasn't done its job . They're mistaken . If anyone believes that the appropriations process has broken down . They're mistaken . There was a breakdown . The breakdown was in the budget process not it did breakdown it totally collapsed . And it collapsed because the law. Was not followed . The budget act. Was not obeyed . The Budget Act provides that the House will pass a budget resolution . We will send it to the other body. The way we do other legislation . The other body would pass a budget resolution . And then the two houses would come together in a conference committee . And work out the differences then they would report back to the house and report back to the Senate. The identical. Budget resolution. The same numbers. The same words . As you well know a conference report has to be identical. And here's where the breakdown came. The House passed the budget resolution whether you voted for it or whether you didn't vote for it with the I liked it or didn't like it. The House passed a budget resolution . The other body did not. And so during the appropriations process . We have been dealing with a broken . Budget process because the top number the three zero two a number. The overall budget number for discretionary spending. It was one number in the other body . And one number in the house. Well I have been seeking a mathematician . Ever since that happened. To tell me how you can reconcile these appropriations bills. When one. Top number is nine billion dollars higher than the other one. Either the high when asked to come down . Or the lower one has to come up or they have to meet in the middle somewhere . Didn't happen. Did not happen. The budget process . Totally collapsed the Appropriations Committee. Continued to do its work. The appropriations bills. We have already passed and sent to the other body . A number of appropriations bills including the two that we passed today. To finance military construction. We've also sent the interior bill down. We've set the Treasury postal. Bill down . And we've sent the legislative branch a bill down. And I would report to you Mr Speaker. We are prepared to send all of the other bills down . The committee has as marked up . Those appropriations bills . And someone asked about anonymous Bill and I would have to suggest that at this late late season in this whole process . That may be the way out is to do an omnibus bill. As a matter of fact. Seeing this day coming. I've prepared anonymous bill . And I could add it to A C R . You were going to be back here next week by the time we get back here next week I have another city already. There would have been on the most appropriations bill and that would that would finalize the business. As far as the House was concerned . But. So there's sort of a history of where you are king and why we are here. The appropriations process . Has not broken down. The budget process did. And most of the bills. That we reported from Committee. Had general support from both sides of the House both parties . Both All of those bills came out of the committee with good solid votes. But now with the bind that we're in today Mr Speaker. The bind that we're in the day has to do with the C.R.. Continuing Resolution to keep the government functioning . Beyond midnight tomorrow night . And after writing and rewriting Several different . Continuing resolutions. The first one was introduced last night . Since then we've written. Written a three additional times . And went to the Rules Committee they gave us a rule. That would allow us to take up the C.R. that would take us to the twenty second of November . That doesn't mean we quit and run and go home tomorrow or tonight . That means we have that much time . Available to work on trying to conclude our business. But along the way we ran into another obstacle . And that obstacle was there are some people that didn't think that there was enough . In this C.R.. For an interest that they have . And I think their interest is legitimate. But there are legitimate interest all over this Congress. That are not included in this C.R.. Because the C.R. is a temporary funding measure . So we were hoping to bring this rule to the floor . Get a bipartisan vote for it. Take up the C.R.. Keep the government functioning so the so that the Congress could then continue to do its work . Well we found out that we don't have all of the votes that we need on our side to pass it . And we. Can't get any votes on your side . On the minority side . That makes it very very bipartisan . Just a little and not not bipartisan . To say the least . If we could have asked the number of my friends on the other side if we could have some votes . To help us pass this rule . To make up for the votes would lose on our side and the answer was No we're not going to vote for it. If we could have had a little bit of cooperation. This rule could have been either here the C.R. could have been out of here . You all could have been on your airplanes headed for home. And I would have gone back to the office and put the finishing touches on that on the most appropriations bill. And have a ready for you by next . week But there's where we are . We could use a little cooperation . Some of the my friends on my side would like it if we passed the rule. The way it's written . Because they want their interest in this resolution. And I don't blame them. But sometimes you have to settle down . Cut. And go to the finish line. And that's where we thought we were today . But evidently we're not . Other than that Mr Speaker I hope everybody has a nice day a nice weekend there was the only swing . When my friend you know. If the gentleman will allow me the time that I would yield Yes. I don't think you're out of time as I understood it. We've heard much. Discussion about the budget . And the fact that we haven't passed a budget. In the same form through two houses . But as I recall we passed a deeming resolution which deemed. The House passed budget as numbers that we are supposed to adhere to my not correct. Mr Chairman that we used that deeming resolution to pass the five bills . To which you previously referred that I passed the House. Gentleman is correct we are. We function under the deeming resolution . Could we not therefore have passed the eight. Other bills

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    MR. HOYER

    eight. Other bills . In the

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    same manner .

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    MR. HOYER

    Like to think that we could give him that problem. The problem would be…

    Like to think that we could give him that problem. The problem would be that conferencing those bills would have been it would have been impossible . Really I agree with the gentleman because they're very substantial differences you mention the number difference. And our priorities. But what that would have done Mr Chairman . Is to make it clear what those differences are for the American people. In terms of education in terms of health care in terms of biomedical research.

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    MR. YOUNG

    research. So we could have done that and said before the American people…

    research. So we could have done that and said before the American people the differences that exist between our body. And the other

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    MR. HOYER

    the American people the differences that exist between our body. And the…

    the American people the differences that exist between our body. And the other body could we not. Well I'm only going to respond Of Gentlemen this way that we deem a budget number.

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    MR. YOUNG

    Gentlemen this way that we deem a budget number.

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    MR. HOYER

    number. Because we couldn't get a real budget . And we had to have

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    MR. YOUNG

    real budget . And we had to have a top line that the House had agreed to…

    real budget . And we had to have a top line that the House had agreed to and I pointed out in my remarks that I know that a lot of members. Didn't

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    MR. HOYER

    to and I pointed out in my remarks that I know that a lot of members.…

    to and I pointed out in my remarks that I know that a lot of members. Didn't support it didn't vote for it. Nevertheless the house worked its will that was the budget number that we worked with. It would have been so much easier for me. If for you as a ranking member going to very important subcommittee. And for Mr Robey as the ranking member on the full committee and all of us. Would have been easier if we knew that we had a common top number . So that

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    MR. YOUNG

    we could have then. Created common. Three zero to bring the numbers . And…

    we could have then. Created common. Three zero to bring the numbers . And we were doing well on our way to conference in these bills. If the gentleman yield again I agree with him . That would have been easier . And furthermore. I believe the gentleman. And I agree . Well . Had there been. Agreement. And a majority . For the House passed budget numbers . We could have passed our bills. Seems to me Mr Chairman the problem is that the votes are not there. To sustain. What the budget. In the House passed . Put forward . And that really is the nub of the problem that we passed a budget . That was not realistic . And that therefore we in the Appropriations Committee.

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    MR. HOYER

    Appropriations Committee. All unable to pass bills . Which can garner. The…

    Appropriations Committee. All unable to pass bills . Which can garner. The requisite votes to pass . And I. Sympathize with the Chairman's. Challenge. I thank the gentleman for yielding. Mr Speaker my friend from Maryland is very smooth in the way that he makes his point . But his comment would be speculation . Because there are those of us who believe that we could pass those bills. At the number that we deemed. And if the other body would have come to that number . Whether it was seven hundred sixty eight billion. Seven hundred fifty nine billion seven hundred forty nine billion . In order to make this work we both had to have the same number. Give me seven fifty nine and give them seventy nine would work it out Mr Chairman I'm all right you know we didn't have the same numbers on the five bills that we did pass that was my point. And

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    MR. YOUNG

    the same numbers on the five bills that we did pass that was my point. And…

    the same numbers on the five bills that we did pass that was my point. And therefore. Apparently that one is correct but you understand we didn't get the conference on those bills . Anyway . Thank you. Anyway because the speaker . I wish we could conclude this business today . And let the members have a weekend at home because for those that have strong. Election campaigns . They need a little bit of time at home to to reconnect with their constituents. But . I'm not sure that's going to happen today we'll do the best we can and . I think the gentleman for yielding me all of this time . Gentleman from Texas . To manage to the gentleman from Texas Mr Edwards.

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    MR. HOYER

    gentleman from Texas Mr Edwards.

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    MR. YOUNG

    Mr Edwards. And one from Texas for two minutes . Mr Speaker I listen to…

    Mr Edwards. And one from Texas for two minutes . Mr Speaker I listen to this discussion and wonder what the American people might be asking themselves .

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    MR. HOYER

    people might be asking themselves .

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    MR. YOUNG

    . About this inside the beltway discussion. Budget resolutions continuing…

    . About this inside the beltway discussion. Budget resolutions continuing resolutions deeming resolutions. I mean bring it back home to Americans in real terms . Because we haven't done the one thing . Congress has a responsibility to do each year . Pass appropriation bills . The children. Of military families who might be put at risk in a war against Iraq and I voted for that. Military

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Iraq and I voted for that. Military

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    MR. FROST

    authorization and . Children of military families . Their

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . Their schools will not be getting . Impact. Aid funding . Is they

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    MR. EDWARDS

    . Is they should be. This November fourth of good school districts in my…

    . Is they should be. This November fourth of good school districts in my area and district. Will be losing millions of dollars that they would have otherwise gotten in November I'm told Fort Leavenworth in Kansas . Might have serious financial crisis in the next month or two . Because of impact aid funding . Not having been passed in the appropriation bill. So what all this esoteric discussion means is the children of the military families those families we might be sending in the combat into Iraq . Aren't going to get the education funding. They deeply . Deserve . Somewhat ironic on the same day that we just voted to authorize the use of military force . Secondly . This means a lot in regard to how way spending in American jobs. A vote for this rule is a vote to cut. How why spending about four point one billion dollars . What does that mean . It means a loss of over one hundred ninety thousand jobs. Means a loss of good paying jobs in states from New York to California to Texas. It means we cannot repair the. Aging highway infrastructure in America at the rate that we were even doing it. Last year. Considering the fact that twenty one percent of the bridges in the federal highway system. Are substandard and many of those are unsafe. It means that the four days a year that Americans are already spending congestion away from their work. You have time for one woman. Gemma's record that means it means more pollution more days away from family less efficient businesses. Courting the Texas Transportation Institute . A loss of seventy five billion dollars a year because of congestion. Extra fuel and . Last time because of inadequate. Highways and transportation systems. So this isn't an esoteric inside the beltway debate . It's a debate about education. It's a bit about jobs it's a debate about cleaner air . And more efficient. Businesses. Tell you what I think's happened. We left this . This process to the leadership Appropriations Committee we have done our responsibility. But

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    MR. EDWARDS

    because of the leadership in this house . We haven't been allowed to do.…

    because of the leadership in this house . We haven't been allowed to do. Our one responsibility that we must pass appropriation bills. What I think has happened is a combination of a slow economy . A war against terrorism and irresponsibly large tax. Has caused the budget to be so devastating. To leave so many children behind and. Because we can't afford to fund that leave no children behind education bill . That many members want us not to vote on these. Till after the election. I think that's not responsible. We should do our work . It's our responsibility as time's expired gentleman from Washington. Mr Speaker how much time is there on both sides. Gentleman from Washington has eleven minutes a gentleman from Texas has for to speak for him it is to the distinguished chairman of the Transportation Committee history of Alaska. We'll ask him. That objection . I was in my office watching this debate and. If I could do one thing. And this Congress . Being one of the longest serving Congress of the shut off the television . Because the nonsense. On that side of the aisle. That affects my community is pure pure B.S. . That's exactly what it is . And they're playing the

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    political game on television the people at home can watch this.

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    MR. HASTINGS

    Dishonesty as they present it to us there is no money in fact I worked…

    Dishonesty as they present it to us there is no money in fact I worked very hard on this Mr Sable.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    us there is no money in fact I worked very hard on this Mr Sable. Mr Robey…

    us there is no money in fact I worked very hard on this Mr Sable. Mr Robey . I

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    MR. HASTINGS

    . I work very hard to make sure and clearly Mr Oberstar . Who is now I am…

    . I work very hard to make sure and clearly Mr Oberstar . Who is now I am ranking member. To make sure. As they came

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    MR. YOUNG

    down that we reinstate a reader right here at thirty one billion . Seven…

    down that we reinstate a reader right here at thirty one billion . Seven hundred

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    at thirty one billion . Seven hundred

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    MR. YOUNG

    ninety nine million one hundred four thousand dollars is going to be…

    ninety nine million one hundred four thousand dollars is going to be spent. Yes yes that's what it read it just read it when you read it. Have you read it. Have you read it. OK I did to reclaim my reclaim my time . I reclaim my time. I'm going to reclaim my time. Keep waiting I reclaim my time . What is the old story . I reclaim my time. This was an agreement we reached Mr Oberstar and myself doing fact have the money spent as a continuing resolution of the level of thirty one billion . Seven hundred ninety nine million dollars. And it reverts back to twenty seven point seven billion dollars. And that is what this House agreed to . And it also says that none of the obligated funds will be affected.

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    the obligated funds will be affected.

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    MR. YOUNG

    That's in there too. And also says by the way.

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    the way. It can be changed at a later date . And that will probably be…

    the way. It can be changed at a later date . And that will probably be true too but to allude to those people that depend upon our highways no one defends those highways better than I do.

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    MR. YOUNG

    that depend upon our highways no one defends those highways better than I…

    that depend upon our highways no one defends those highways better than I do. No one works harder to make sure our transportation system is improved so much better than what was proposed . To stand up on television and play the political game on this floor of the house was wrong. Their programming chairman is trying to do his job . I've got sixty four bills over not other body . That they have not acted on . And count the bills my friend how many bills are over there belong to you that your leader over there has not acted on . Don't ask us to do some or play the political game against my leaders . And this house and say it's all their fault. Look at that Senate side. I ask you to do it look at that Senate side where are they. What have they done. Have they passed the budget . Have they in fact a look at the pro Brady bills no. They have not. And I will tell you something else where we get down I'll probably in fact insist on the Senate side to bring us down more money . But in reality they work in good faith . Our leaders work in good faith . I work in good faith. My ranking member worked in good faith in the. They end up on that floor and play the political card it's absolutely wrong for this. house If you want to have power that bad go at it. But I'm thinking the United States right now I'm going to be able to depend on transportation . I'm think of the bridges you talked about. There's more money in this. We got four point four billion dollars put back into it. When we passed the budget if you remember that and you voted for. Side right now because my backers. But the fact of the matter is I watched this thirty years I watched this body and every since we put those television cameras in. It is the period of the debate on this floor. For political purposes instead of solving problems. Our job is not solve the problems of represent the people of this nation for the best of this nation. Not for politics. Purposes . When are you back to balance my time. I mean you know the bank is time. The Chair . That. That the chair would ask members not to characterize the Senate action the chair would also ask the courtesy of all members to only engage in debate when you know the time the gentleman from Texas . Speaker I yield one minute to the gentleman from Wisconsin Mr Rove a gentleman from Wisconsin . I know my good friend from Alaska. Brings him back and fortunately respecting his ability to read . But if you would read the language it says Notwithstanding any of. I want to preserve a

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    provision of his joint resolution . The annual rate of operations for…

    provision of his joint resolution . The annual rate of operations for federal aid highway program for fiscal two thousand and three shall be thirty one billion seven hundred ninety nine million dollars . Provided that total obligations for this program while operating under joint resolution . Making continuing appropriations for fiscal year two thousand and three. Shall not exceed twenty seven billion seven hundred million dollars .

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    MR. FROST

    exceed twenty seven billion seven hundred million dollars .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . Unless otherwise specified in a subsequent Appropriation Act.

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    MR. OBEY

    otherwise specified in a subsequent Appropriation Act. That means baby…

    otherwise specified in a subsequent Appropriation Act. That means baby that all you get just as far. The states are concerned is twenty seven billion seven hundred million bucks in the last unless you pass a different language than the language that's in this resolution . Now I don't know if you're reading in Turkish . Or Russian or Egyptian. But if you read it in English . That's what it says . If you vote for this rule you are voting to cut a highway funding . By four billion dollars . And as. Literally Tomlin used to say that's the truth . Time's expired gentlemen from Washington. And this figure I get how much time on both sides. Gentleman from Washington is seven and a half the gentleman from Texas says three. I Please Ilda two minutes to the gentleman from Minnesota a member of the Budget Committee Mr good nick. Gentleman from Minnesota I'd like to thank you gentleman for yielding until just a few minutes ago I was up in the speaker's rostrum and I was listening to all of this debate and. I'll try to not get too emotional about this. But the gentleman is probably correct that is what it says but this. This resolution is only for one week . And as the gentleman from Alaska just said . What that

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . What that means is for the period of one week.

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    MR. HASTINGS

    Yes it may be reduced but they also have language and an agreement that it…

    Yes it may be reduced but they also have language and an agreement that it will not be reduced so we're were straining out the gnat and gulping down the camel the issue is will the House . Agree with a

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    gulping down the camel the issue is will the House . Agree with a

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    MR. HASTINGS

    gulping down the camel the issue is will the House . Agree with a

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    resolution that will keep the federal government open for one week .…

    resolution that will keep the federal government open for one week . That's a pretty simple

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    MR. GUTKNECHT

    government open for one week . That's a pretty simple question. And I…

    government open for one week . That's a pretty simple question. And I think the answer is or should be. Yes . And I want to congratulate the chairman Appropriations Committee I think he said it correctly . The house . From the very beginning has been prepared and willing . And has done its work. The problem is the house is only one part of Congress . And we have had problems from the very beginning because we have a budget resolution which we have deemed and which we will abide by . And the other side has not. Now if that becomes impossible to come to an agreement. You know somebody said earlier . Well does the White House. Have the will to pass appropriation bills . And I think the answer that question is yes . But we don't have an agreement . And if you don't have an agreement. What's the point and . I think the gentleman from Maryland said well what are your priorities . Well let me ask you a question. What are your priorities. Because not only for the first time in twenty six years did one . Good one branch of the federal government not pass a budget in violation of federal law . But our friends on the left. Never offered a budget resolution . Here you ask about what our priorities are what our blueprint is. We have a budget. You can go and tell the American people. This is what the Republican blueprint was . Now . How do we compare that to your plan. Your friend your side . Never offered a budget plan. Time's expired my time has expired but I'd be happy to yield on your time. If I had in the time I had in this time of the there's a gentleman from Texas a deal time. Space you know you want a minute after the gentleman from New Jersey Mr Andrews gentleman from New Jersey and. Revising them our mark without objection . Mr Speaker my friend from Minnesota just asked what our process. What are our priorities here is what they are. Our priorities not to run the government by spending Social Security money. The way yours apparently are our priorities are to increase funding for special education . A prescription drug benefit for senior citizens . Superfund cleanup.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    And other things the American people support . And many things

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    MR. GUTKNECHT

    . And many things Mr Speaker the Majority side of the I would like to…

    . And many things Mr Speaker the Majority side of the I would like to support . The reason we are

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . The reason we are going through this exercise is the majority does not…

    . The reason we are going through this exercise is the majority does not wish to be held accountable .

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    MR. FROST

    the majority does not wish to be held accountable . Before the election…

    the majority does not wish to be held accountable . Before the election for the choices that it is presented to itself . When the

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    choices that it is presented to itself . When the

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    MR. ANDREWS

    . When the majority enacted its tax cut in two thousand and one.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    enacted its tax cut in two thousand and one.

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    MR. ANDREWS

    and one. And the recession was prolonged . And the unforseen events of…

    and one. And the recession was prolonged . And the unforseen events of last September occurred . The majority put itself into a box . Because it refuses to reconsider . The speed and scope of the tax cut. The majority has only two choices . To fund the government . The first choice is to dramatically reduce what we spend on schools . On the environment . On health care . On veterans benefits. And other desirable programs. And they do not want to cast those votes. Before the election. The other choice is to fund those programs at a higher level . But. Dip into the Social Security surplus. Once again. And spend any money to run the government and they don't want to do that before the election either. So their strategy is to play. Rope a dope. Is to come back. Week after week. Continuing Resolution after continuing resolution. And not own up to the consequences of what they've done . What they're doing is wrong. Gentlemen from Washington. I misspoke I just by. My friend from Texas I only have one speaker left and so if you want to expose you as your time and we'll use our time. Gentleman in Texas. Years we just love the misspeak or. I yield myself their main. This is been somewhat of a peculiar situation that we find ourselves in the other side after being all over the ballpark all day . Has now decided

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    all day . Has now decided on a one week C.R.. That's

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    MR. HASTINGS

    C.R.. That's fine. That's their prerogative there are they are in the…

    C.R.. That's fine. That's their prerogative there are they are in the majority . It would have been nice if they decided this . Twelve hours ago . Presumably will be back on Tuesday . Or maybe

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    on Tuesday . Or maybe Wednesday or maybe Thursday .

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    MR. FROST

    Thursday . The only regret that I think any of us have . Is that while Mr…

    Thursday . The only regret that I think any of us have . Is that while Mr Young is an honorable man . Mr Young of the Appropriations Committee and . I make you a specific reference to Mr Yang of your book gracious committee at this point . Is an honorable man . And certainly he has a Committee has completed a lot of his work of a lot of its work. He has been prevented from his own leadership. Prevented by his own leadership from bringing his work product to the. floor He's only been permitted to bring five appropriation bills to the floor. Of those other the eight appropriation bills were not brought to the floor . They should have been . Most of them have been completed by your committee. It would be nice if those will be brought to the floor so we could vote on them one at a time. And resolve the issues that face this country . Misspeak or. I'll be calling for a roll call vote on this rule. A number of our members. Will be voting . To express their displeasure . In the way that the majority has been handling this matter. You know back to balance about how many expect this time gentleman from Washington but Speaker and please email for him is to the distinguished chairman of the Rules Committee Mr Dreier California . I don't I don't understand that objection . SPEAKER I'm very proud of what we've been able to accomplish here and some of us were just going through the litany of items. Which the hundred seventh Congress . Specifically the House of Representatives with this very narrow. Five to six vote margin. That we've had with the we've been able to do and. It's true. One of the first things that we did as Chairman Young has pointed out so well. We were able to up pass a budget . And no

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . And no budget is passed in the Senate. But we've

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    MR. HASTINGS

    been able to pass a budget here and we've gone through a rigorous debate…

    been able to pass a budget here and we've gone through a rigorous debate on that but let's look at some of the other things that we've been able to accomplish. To

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    that we've been able to accomplish. To

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    MR. DREIER

    accomplish. To help the American people. And I

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    people. And I think it's very important to note that one of the greatest…

    people. And I think it's very important to note that one of the greatest successes we had back in one nine hundred ninety six . Has proved to be

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    MR. DREIER

    greatest successes we had back in one nine hundred ninety six . Has proved…

    greatest successes we had back in one nine hundred ninety six . Has proved to be passage. Of welfare reform . We've been able to pass a very meaningful . Positive welfare reform measure. From this House of Representatives. One of the other items. Obviously as we've looked at. Now bipartisan support for President Bush's initiative . To potentially potentially use force in dealing. With the horror of Saddam Hussein and Iraq . We have. Along with that. And the potential for some kind of response to that. From Iraq. We have passed out of this house . A measure . That was called on by we the call came from the minority leader Mr Gephardt to do it by September eleventh . And we have passed a bill establishing a Department of Homeland Security that's something that we're very proud of as we deal with the war on terrorism. We also are very proud of the fact that in a bipartisan way. Both houses of Congress and with the president's signature Alternately we passed . The No Child Left Behind Act dealing with education . What before September eleventh of last year was our number one priority. We know the prescription drugs . A very important issue. It was talked about in the presidential campaign . We're proud of the fact that we've been able to pass out . Within the guidelines of our budget at three hundred fifty billion dollars. Prescription drug program so that seniors. Can have access to affordable prescription drugs. The other body has not taken action on that. We have been able to pass out of this body. A very very meaningful reform of the pension structure and we all know what the economic challenges that we're facing are retirees those who are looking towards retirement the future the challenges they're facing. We've been able to bring about meeting reform meaningful reform on that issue. I'm very proud that. Something that we work to try to give President Clinton beginning back in one nine hundred ninety four when it of. Expired we've been able to pass trade promotion authority . Both thousands of Congress have done that the president signed it. Our ambassador . The U.S. trade representative Mr Zoellick is in the process of trying to work out. New Market opening opportunities for us. That is going to be an economic boost. Provide an economic boost for the United States of America. And we've been able to pass out of this house again something . We have been able to do. In eight years . We also were able to bring about meaningful. Middle income taxpayer tax relief . That we've heard this criticism of the tax package. But it was focused towards middle income wage earners. With the provisions that we've had in there on the marriage tax penalty . The death tax. The child tax credit these are things that have been designed to help working Americans. We also have been able to deal with the challenge of corporate fraud . And we all have been horrified by the actions of some. Top executives in this country. We've been able to pass out of this house. And the other body. Meaningful reform . When it comes to corporate fraud . We hope very much that will be able to get. Election reform passed we've had. What I believe to be a very good conference package. Again it started right here in this House of Representatives we did it in a bipartisan way. I'm very very proud of that . We'd be able to increase veterans' benefits . We have much to be very proud of much of it done in a bipartisan way so let's not criticize what we've got we've got a one week. Continuing Resolution Let's pass it and continue with our work with that I yield back balance of my time . Gentleman from Washington. This is Speaker I offer a minute to the resolution. Work or a party Amendment . An amendment offered by Mr Hastings of Washington strike all after the resolved laws and insert. That upon the adoption of this resolution a jewel be an order without intervention of any point of order to consider in the house the joint resolution House Joint Resolution one twenty two making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year two thousand and three and for other purposes . The joint resolution Joule be considered as read for amendment . The amendment specified in section two shall be considered as adopted. The

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    adopted. The previous questions will be considered as ordered on the joint…

    adopted. The previous questions will be considered as ordered on the joint resolution as amended to final passage . Without intervening

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    MR. HASTINGS

    ordered on the joint resolution as amended to final passage . Without…

    ordered on the joint resolution as amended to final passage . Without intervening

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    final passage . Without intervening motion except one.

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    THE CLERK

    except one. One hour of debate on the joint resolution of. And it equally…

    except one. One hour of debate on the joint resolution of. And it equally divided and controlled by the chairman and ranking minority member of the Committee on Appropriations and two one motion to recommit with or without instructions. Section two. The amendment referred to in the first section of this resolution . Is as follows . And age one line for. Strike . Inserting Nov twenty second two thousand and two. And insert. Inserting October eighteenth two thousand and two gentlemen from Washington is the speaker I move the previous question on the amendment. And on the resolution. And this gentleman yield back the balance of his time. I you back now is my time . Without objection the previous question is ordered on the amendment and on the of resolution the question is on the amendment all those in favor say aye . All those opposed no. The ayes have it the amendment is agreed to. The question is on adoption of the resolution as amended all those in favor say aye aye. Those opposed in the opinion that she has to obey haven't the gentleman from Texas . Jack to vote on the grounds that a coroner is not present and make a point of order that a quorum is not present. Gentleman from Texas objects to the vote on the grounds of the quorum is not present makes a point of order the point was that present evidently a quorum is not present in the Asian days are ordered members who record their votes by electronic device.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    is not present in the Asian days are ordered members who record their…

    is not present in the Asian days are ordered members who record their votes by electronic device.

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    MR. HASTINGS

    is not present in the Asian days are ordered members who record their…

    is not present in the Asian days are ordered members who record their votes by electronic device.

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    electronic device. This would be a fifteen minute vote .

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    MR. HASTINGS

    .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    The house now voting on the rules for debating legislation that would…

    The house now voting on the rules for debating legislation that would extend funding the federal government at this current fiscal year . The continuing resolution

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    MR. FROST

    legislation that would extend funding the federal government at this…

    legislation that would extend funding the federal government at this current fiscal year . The continuing resolution

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    legislation that would extend funding the federal government at this…

    legislation that would extend funding the federal government at this current fiscal year . The continuing resolution

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    making further continuing appropriations for fiscal year two thousand and…

    making further continuing appropriations for fiscal year two thousand and three. And for other purposes . And asked for its immediate consideration. By a core part the title of joint resolution Joint Resolution one twenty two joint resolution making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year two thousand and three and for other purposes . Pursuant to House

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    MR. YOUNG

    appropriations for the fiscal year two thousand and three and for other…

    appropriations for the fiscal year two thousand and three and for other purposes . Pursuant to House Resolution five hundred eighty the gentleman from Florida Mr Young and the gentleman from Wisconsin Mr Obi each will control.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Thirty minutes before recognizing the gentleman from Florida that. Chair…

    Thirty minutes before recognizing the gentleman from Florida that. Chair would ask the

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    MR. YOUNG

    that. Chair would ask the order. Chair would ask members to clear the…

    that. Chair would ask the order. Chair would ask members to clear the aisles take conversation . Remove them from the chamber.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Members are asked to clear the aisles take conversation .

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    THE CLERK

    to clear the aisles take conversation .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    Chair recognizes gentleman from Florida . To respond to a chair recognizes…

    Chair recognizes gentleman from Florida . To respond to a chair recognizes . Woman from Florida. Mr Speaker thank you very much. And when and I asked of the House that the legislation before us H.J. or is one twenty two . Being the third continuing resolution for fiscal year zero three. Does one very simple thing . It extends the date . Of the original . C.R. The took us until midnight tomorrow night. Until midnight Friday night of next week. The eighteenth. The terms and conditions of the C.R.. The original C.R.. Remain in effect. They are not changed. We've gone over them twice already. So I won't go through them again . But because the. The

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    MR. YOUNG

    calendar has kept up with us a little bit. We did have to add some new…

    calendar has kept up with us a little bit. We did have to add some new anomalies . First of all we provided funding to meet the F Y two thousand and three caseload for all appropriated in title months . Including child nutrition programs. Food stamp programs. Medicaid grants to states . Payments to Medicare trust funds . Trade Adjustment Assistance Programs . Veterans entitlements. And supplemental security income payments . One of the new in all monies also provides for a sixty day window to process Medicare Part B. premiums . For certain Medicaid Medicare dual eligibles. Under a provision that expires on these number thirty first two thousand and two . In addition . The new anomaly would provide funding adjustments to the following programs. To insure sufficient resources when we calculate the operating rate . For the period of the C.R.. And those include the Commodity Futures Trading Commission . Immigration user fee account. Victims Compensation Program . Securities and Exchange Commission . District of Columbia repayment of loans and interest . Transportation Security Administration . And the federal aid. Highway Program . This particular city are also. Provides legislative authorization. To implement a nude. No subsidy cost to the United States . Three point eight billion dollar foreign military . Financing . Fifteen year loan . To the government of Poland. So they can purchase forty eight . F. sixteen aircraft. From the United States . And it is important that we do this in a timely fashion . Because there is competition . And if by a certain date in November . This. Financing arrangement hasn't been agreed to the polls are going to another buyer or a provider . And I don't really want them to do that . And I won't get into the reason why I don't particularly like the other provider but I don't . It extends the otherwise expiring authorizations world to us parole commission . And I hope six revitalisation of severely distressed public housing program through the date of the C.R.. Prohibits the transfer of Civil Works missions. Of the Corps of Engineers to other agencies. It reinstates the dual use authority through the date of a C.R.. To allow the export import bank to make loans that may include military equipment. And includes a correction to the Department of Justice authorization bill . As passed by the house N.H. Congress five zero three . Provides a gratuity. To the widower of our. Late friend and colleague Patsy Mink the. Late representative from the state of Hawaii . Requires reports from agencies of the executive branch on the effects of operating under a full year C.R. and monthly reports on obligations and I certainly hope that does not happen then we don't do that but in the event . We would get those reports. Mr Speaker . There are some of the comments that I could make. About this. What we're doing here why we're here . And why we're not doing something else . But this point. Reserve the balance of my time. Reserves gentleman from Wisconsin . Mr Speaker I yield five minutes to this thing which . Gentleman from a Missouri the minority leader Mr Gephardt the minority leader is right . Mr Speaker . This house has precious little time left in this session . Today we finished important business on Iraq. We worked across the aisle with Republican colleagues to come up with that resolution. We could use that same type of. Framework. To get more of the nation's business done . If

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    the Republican leadership would put aside their my way or the highway…

    the Republican leadership would put aside their my way or the highway attitude.

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    MR. OBEY

    And reach across the aisle to work out a bipartisan.

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    Economic plan for our country .

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    MR. GEPHARDT

    We should not be passing seven days see ours . When the Republican…

    We should not be passing seven days see ours . When the Republican leadership. Has no plan to actually complete the nation's business . When people are looking to us for leadership . I will vote against this continuing resolution. Says we returned from our August recess we've done nothing . Practically nothing of substance . Aside from the Iraq resolution. We've had nothing on the schedule. We've spent all of our time. The people's time . On meaningless nonsense of the House resolutions. Urging the Senate to pass tax cuts for the wealthy. Beginning in twenty eleven . Their resolutions have no legal force . Their so-called economic program would affect no one. Until two thousand and eleven. What are people going to do. But tween now . And two thousand and eleven. People are suffering today . They're receiving their four A one K. statements . This week . The stock market is falling like a lead balloon . People are out of work . And they're giving up hope of finding new jobs. This economy is in the tank . And some people have been put out of work through no fault of their own. And many can't find a new job. The Republican leadership has a failed economic plan that has contributed to the conditions there we're living with today . Republicans can't even pass a budget . To provide for the nation's critical priorities . A responsible House right now. Would be addressing the people's . Serious concerns that they face. In their day to day lives . In the few remaining days this Congress should extend unemployment benefits for people who are still trying to find work in a struggling economy. Pass a real pension bill that helps . Secure people's retirement savings. Against future Enron's. Close the loophole that allows corporations to incorporate overseas. To avoid paying taxes . We could pass a good . Generic drug reform bill that will help lower the cost of prescription medicine. Now and we could finish our legislation for education health care worker programs . So that we can make good on our commitment to actually leave no child behind . And we can provide adequate resources to ensure. Excellent health care for our nation's seniors and provide our workers with adequate help to whether these rough times . If Republicans continue to duck their responsibilities. There will be serious consequences . In people's lives . Their inability to act will lead to cuts in education . Homeland defense. Medical care for veterans . And the National Institutes of Health . And the chairman of the Appropriations Committee. Has made this plane . I think the act. In action today. Is unacceptable . As we did earlier today . We need to come together on a bipartisan plan of action to solve our serious economic problems . And address the most important problems people are facing right now . Let's not leave here . Before we have dress. That agenda . Let's not have a seven day. Continuing Resolution. Let's have a one or a two day. Let's stay here . And do the people's work . We will not win the war against terrorism. If the economy of this country is imploding. Around our ears . We will only beat terrorism . If we have a strong economy . With good jobs . And good wages. For the American people. I yield back the balance of my time gentleman from Florida. There's a speaker myself two minutes after which I will yield to my friend from Alaska. But I have to suggest. To the distinguished minority leader. And he is distinguished and I have a lot of respect for him and I understand being in the minority . I served in this house for twenty four years in the minority so I know what it means to be in the minority. But when he says that. We didn't pass a budget . He's wrong. That is not accurate . We passed a budget . And when we couldn't get it through the whole process because the other body wouldn't pass one .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . We deemed our own budget.

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    MR. YOUNG

    our own budget. So the House did its job. It was not our fault that the…

    our own budget. So the House did its job. It was not our fault that the other body. Controlled by the other party would refuse to even take up a budget. Just like in the house. Their party did not. Offer a substitute for our budget. So yes . Mr Brown already leader. We passed the budget. And when we couldn't get it conference with the other body. We deemed our own budget here in this house . So I just wanted to correct it . And I wanted to say to the gentleman. About ducking responsibilities . I have avoided getting into the partisanship on the political business . Here in this thousand a lot of it takes place and that's that's natural. We're approaching an election . I've done my best to keep the official business of the appropriations process . On a nonpartisan but on a bipartisan . On a productive basis was good for the country . But Mr Speaker my party did not. Duck its responsibilities . We have had a very productive year . In This House of Representatives. Only to find our efforts made by the other body . Who refused even to take it up. One of the appropriations bills that we passed early on they worked on for three weeks . And couldn't pass it so they pulled it off. Of consideration. Talk about ducking responsibilities. We passed that bill . Anyway. There's a speaker . As you know I seldom get exercise to that extent. But I would not like to yield three minutes . To my a very distinguished colleague the very honorable. Mr Young. Of Alaska. I do think that the gentleman will suspend his for a minute before recognizing that gentleman. Alaska . And the chair would again admonished members that it's not appropriate to characterize the action or inaction . Of the United States Senate chairman from Alaska for three minutes . I saw unfortunate we cannot do that. Mr Chairman I write the support of this joint resolution making for their continued progress in fiscal year two thousand and three . In consultation with my good friend Mr Young the chairman of the preparation committing consultation with the leadership . I'm pleased this resolution ensures that the federal highway program will continue. At the fiscal year two thousand and two rate of thirty one point eight million . This

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    point eight million . This reverses the Office of Management and Budget…

    point eight million . This reverses the Office of Management and Budget surprising decision last week. To reduce the highway program to twenty seven point seven billion rate of operations. This decision was contrary to the Congress intent that programs.

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    MR. YOUNG

    to the Congress intent that programs. Be Continued at the current rate…

    to the Congress intent that programs. Be Continued at the current rate until final preparation bills. Can be agreed to and enact it. The language in this joint resolution is no way binding with regard to the final fiscal year of two thousand and three. Transportation bill that we envision to be enacted. This year's final highway funding level be properly determined appropriate term and determined at a later date in a context that House and Senate negotiations on that bill . And I mean dime this resolution ensures that funding for the highway program will continue and that the fiscal year two thousand and two enacted rate of thirty one point eight billion . This will protect the good wage jobs and make our infrastructure whole . Again I want to stress has been done with the work of the minority. On my committee and myself and the leadership of . the Mr Young the chairman appropriation the speaker the House . We will continue what we said we were going to do. When there is a budget. When there is a preparation bill. When there is negotiations done that could be a different date but right now. And a different amount. We are on the right track to make sure that our i ways. Are going to be rebuilt and built and bridges are repaired and Bill also. And you'll back the balance of my time . From Wisconsin . Three minutes distinguishable from Texas Mr Stern hold this for three minutes. Thank the gentleman for yielding in the Chairman of the committee did not intend to misspeak. Because much of what he said I totally agree with . And that is that. It's not the Appropriations Committee that has in fact . Got us to this point of impasse. But it is the leadership of your party that has got us here. It is. Are . Your unwillingness to bring the appropriation bills. Under the budget. That passed the House that everybody talks about.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    that everybody talks about.

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    MR. OBEY

    That's what's keeping us held up and. The

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    misspeaking Mr Chairman was.

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    MR. STENHOLM

    When you said. No one on this side of the. Offered a budget alternative.…

    When you said. No one on this side of the. Offered a budget alternative. And I don't know how many times I have to take to the Florida remind everyone and you can check this in the record. We brought a substitute amendment. The Blue Dog Democrats. Mr Moore. Mr Stan all Mr Matheson Mr Tanner and Mr HILL. We brought an alternative budget to the floor of the house in which we were spectrally asked the majority to allow us to debate that. On the floor of the house and we were denied . So I would appreciate it if no further members on the other side would say that no one on this side of the aisle offered an alternative a substitute budget because some of us did but you. The same leadership that has got us into the impasse tonight and it's not the Appropriations Committee . But I you would have a much stronger argument . If you brought the appropriation bills. To the floor under the budget that you passed and you would have had a much better argument tonight. And last week . And the week before that. And next week . If you had passed all thirteen appropriation bill. Because some of us on this side of the aisle will support you. Regarding that budget that everybody talks about . I've been here twenty four years and I remember all of the years in which appropriators said. When I was on the Budget Committee we really don't need you folks . We honestly don't need the Budget Committee because we can do the job ourselves. And it's amazing here now suddenly listening week after week after week . You know acidly saying the only reason we can't do our work is because the Senate didn't pass a budget. Now everybody in here knows better than that . We had a very impassioned speech a moment ago. My last. Talking about. Transportation bill etc. Well you know . If we just did our work . Then we could point the finger to the other body. And there would be enough blame to go around. But I will say tonight Mr Speaker. The only blame that can honestly be affixed to why we are in this position do not is on the leadership. On the other side of the that have refused to do that which they insist that the Senate do. And that is live by. Budget . We could do what at least we could try. Why didn't you bring the other. Appropriation bills to the floor of the house and allow them to be discussed and debated. Where are they. If you're going to pass if you're going to have the finger of blame . It's gotta start right here. Gentleman from Florida to speak to the minister of the distinguished mission of the of the Transportation Infrastructure Committee chairman. Wisconsin . I thank my chairman the Appropriations Committee. I'm pleased to support this resolution as it contains a provision clarifying that under this continuing resolution the federal highway program will be funded . At thirty one point eight billion dollars . This continuing resolution is designed to be a temporary measure a continuing funding for government programs at current levels . Until annual appropriation bills for two thousand and three can be enacted into law. Now I know the House Appropriations Committee has approved a bill with a twenty seven point seven billion dollar. Obligation

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    with a twenty seven point seven billion dollar. Obligation

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    MR. YOUNG

    point seven billion dollar. Obligation limitation for the federal highway…

    point seven billion dollar. Obligation limitation for the federal highway program . Well the Senate Appropriations Committee has funded the program at thirty one point eight billion dollars .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    thirty one point eight billion dollars .

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    MR. PETRI

    . Level of funding will be decided later as the appropriation process…

    . Level of funding will be decided later as the appropriation process continues . And this process in no way ties our hands in determining what the final. Appropriation level. Should be . Again the purpose of the C.R. is to continue funding at the current. Rate . And it should not be used to inhibit Congress's profit have to set. Final spending levels. For this budget year . Which I hope will be at the Senate level. And I yield back the money and back to them and Wisconsin here when I misspeak. One minute . The speaker. Despite the comments that have been made about. Highway funding levels. The language is clear. It indicates that the total obligations . Will be twenty seven billion seven hundred million dollars . Instead of the thirty one point seven nine nine billion dollars that were available in the previous fiscal year . And that twenty seven billion dollars. Level cannot be changed . Unless a subsequent . Appropriation bill passes to change it. So the fact is that this bill does . Single out highways. For a reduction below last year when almost no other program. Is asked to bear that kind of a reduction. And that will result in two hundred thousand fewer. Construction jobs. Gentleman from Florida . Mr Speaker could I inquire as to the amount of time remaining on each and. Both sides have twenty one minutes . There's a Speaker I yield. Two minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Georgia Mr Isaacson . Gentleman from Georgia. For two minutes. Thank you distinguished chairman for yielding and I rise because they're been references already made education I know in previous The hours they've been comments about education I wanted to commend our Chairman and I want to tell you why I'm supporting this. Now I'm not at. Paygrade to answer some of the questions that have been raised from us to Stan home and others . By Namath paygrade and of the knowledge to know that this Congress increased education funding. In the zero two budget. By eighteen percent. And every nickel of that under a C.R. is being forwarded in an appropriate again and. This continuing resolution. The largest increase in investment America has made in its poorest and most deserving students in decades. For thirty five years we spend one hundred twenty five billion dollars on Title one. And our lowest performing students didn't move up. A percentile. In improvement. But in No Child Left Behind three hundred seventy three. Democrats and Republicans including great leadership from Mr Miller of California. Force through No Child Left Behind . And this gentleman . Forced through the largest increase in education spending. And funded the president's program. This continuing resolution brings forward every single improvement that we made a baby a new dollars for reading first early reading first. Money for the testing we now require to show that we've got accountability for the performance we seek. And the one billion dollar increase we put in the supplemental. Just last year and Pell Grants. So while there were maybe arguments over leadership and timing and what we are not doing. Don't anyone tell us that we're not making the investment in our children and in this. You are somehow cuts . That investment . In fact it brings forward the largest single increase in education funding . This Congress has made with the accountability of the American people sought . And desired and wanted . And today in the classrooms of America under a continuing resolution children are learning to read. Schools are being held accountable. Performance will begin approving. And when we reach a final determination on the next budget. We will continue to do what this Congress has done. Republicans and Democrats alike . And that's improve the lives of our children . Gentleman from Wisconsin . Mr Speaker I yield myself three minutes. On this right now. The speaker that is one of the most selective and interesting rewrites of history I've heard on this House floor in at least an hour . And I would like to give a little different interpretation of what's happened to education funding. It is most certainly true . That in each of the last five years we have provided substantial increases for education. That was in the record will show . That was because the Democratic members of this house .

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    MR. ISAKSON

    the Democratic members of this house .

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . Had to pull the majority of party members of this house kicking and…

    . Had to pull the majority of party members of this house kicking and screaming into.

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    MR. OBEY

    and screaming into. Into supporting higher higher education levels.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    higher higher education levels.

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    MR. OBEY

    education levels. Last year the gentleman talks about the very large…

    education levels. Last year the gentleman talks about the very large increase in education funding that we had that's correct . That's because the Democrats on the Appropriations Committee. Again. Pounded the White House. Day after day after day until we force them to expect of. Except a four billion dollar increase in the president's education budget . So that means that over the last five years on average . With prodding from the minority party in this house and the then minority party in the Senate the Democratic minority . We had an average increase per year for education funding of about thirteen percent . The president followed that up with the No Child Left Behind Act which most of us supported . And that promise . A continuation of that very steep trajectory for education funding. This is too small a chart to show . But the chart. Nonetheless demonstrates what that trajectory was . And that No Child Left Behind Act . Promised that we would provide very substantial increases in funding for the next five years to continue the progress that we had made the last five years . Instead this continuing resolution. Is freezing . The budget and. Funding for education and that means that on a per child basis . It is cutting education funding for the kids are needed most . That gentleman is shaking his head no . Check the numbers on per child. Appropriations for children who need funding for language programs. Children who don't speak English as a first language . They are being cut. In the president's budget . By ten percent in real terms on a par with a per child basis. With a German U.. I'd be happy to I thank the gentleman for yielding because I think he makes an important point. If in fact the test is whether or not we're going to go back to the president's budget . Or whether or not we're going to go forward with the appropriations bills which I think both the chairman and the gentleman from Wisconsin. Would pass to increase education funding. But are being held up. If we go back to the president's budget you have a real cot of about ninety million dollars below last year in the No Child Left Behind Act a real cut of ninety million dollars The general makes a very important point in Gentleman's time that if you listen to Dish for minutes and I'm afraid that there is no question.

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    That if the majority party on the Appropriations Committee were left to…

    That if the majority party on the Appropriations Committee were left to its own devices . That we would

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    MR. OBEY

    the Appropriations Committee were left to its own devices . That we would

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    MR. MILLER

    the Appropriations Committee were left to its own devices . That we would…

    the Appropriations Committee were left to its own devices . That we would have a very respectable and decent education appropriation bill Mr regular. Is a strong champion of education so is Mr Young. But the fact is when that committee began to move forward to produce such a bill which provided those increases for education. They were cut off at the pass. By the most reactionary elements in the in the majority party caucus . And those elements went to your leadership and said if you appropriate one dime . For education

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    . For education above the. President's budget

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    MR. OBEY

    . We're going to bring down your your labor health education bill. And

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    labor health education bill. And

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    MR. OBEY

    they further said that until you produce an education funding level.…

    they further said that until you produce an education funding level. Frozen at the level of last year for education. That they would not support any other appropriation bill that's why we were wrapped around the axle . And what that means . And let me let me continue with other with other categories title one. The No Child Left Behind Act prop promised that we would have an increase in funding . Of at least four billion dollars this year . Instead they get a one billion dollar increase financed by other cuts . In other education programs aimed at the same children . And then if you take a look at handicapped education . We increase them manually by over a billion dollars over the last three years . And we wanted to do so again. On a bipartisan basis . Both sides of the aisle. Under the president's budget. We can't do that . The president's budget falls half a billion dollars bill all. Or we would be if we kept the trajectory . Going that we had established the last three years for that program. So I would invite to gentleman. To review. The report which we juggle they should call them all right a real no resources . With a gentleman demonstrate the fact that I've tried to try to deal as straight with a distinguished ranking member you. Surely if I have the time remaining. Mr A little much time has expired. Could the gentleman get a minute from the gentleman from Florida. I'll be happy to yield time to a gentleman ga ga. I'm a gentleman from Georgia is one minute. Mr Speaker and two minutes to the gentleman from Georgia comes our master two minutes to the distinguished ranking member on appropriations the charge is small and I can't see in fact I got my glasses off I can hardly see you right now. But would you ain't missin much. When you are neither so or is it not true that the chart that you showed was the level of authorizations for edge of. Over the next

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    for edge of. Over the next five years. No it is not. What did you show.

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    MR. OBEY

    This chart. Show

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    the appropriation increases that we had the last five years.

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    MR. OBEY

    had the last five years. And then it showed the last five years for the…

    had the last five years. And then it showed the last five years for the last five years. And

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    MR. YOUNG

    the last five years for the last five years. And then it shows. The

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    fact that the president's budget. Essentially

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    MR. ISAKSON

    freezes that . Appropriated

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    MR. YOUNG

    number. Well.

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    THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

    And I don't want to put any word in a distinguished gentleman's mouth but…

    And I don't want to put any word in a distinguished gentleman's mouth but I kept hearing the word cut you know what I said. Is that

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    MR. ISAKSON

    kept hearing the word cut you know what I said. Is that on a per student .…

    kept hearing the word cut you know what I said. Is that on a per student . Basis

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    MR. OBEY

    . If you take English as a Second Language programs that those programs…