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Senate Session - July 26, 1995
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  • 08:30:15 AM

    THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE

    THE SENATE WILL COME TO ORDER. TODAY WE HAVE A GUEST CHAPLAIN, DR. GARY…

    THE SENATE WILL COME TO ORDER. TODAY WE HAVE A GUEST CHAPLAIN, DR. GARY HOLLINGSWORTH OF THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF ALEXANDRIA, VIRGINIA. HE IS THE GUEST OF SENATOR HELMS.

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  • 08:32:02 AM

    THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE

  • 08:32:04 AM

    MR. HELMS

    SENATOR HELMS. MR. HELMS: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING ME. LET…

    SENATOR HELMS. MR. HELMS: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING ME. LET ME BEGIN BY SAYING IT' S A SOURCE OF GREAT PRIDE AND PLEASURE TO DOT HELMS AND ME THAT DR. GARY L. HOLLINGSWORTH HAS ACCEPTED THE SENATE' S INVITATION TO SERVE AS GUEST CHAPLAIN TODAY. HIS ELOQUENT PRAYER WAS TYPICAL OF HIS GREAT MINISTRY -- SINCERE, IMPRESSIVE, AND DEEPLY REVERENT. MR. PRESIDENT, THE NATION VERY MUCH NEEDS TO BE REMEMBERED EVERY DAY IN THE PRAYERS OF ALL OF US, AND WE SENATORS NEED THE PRAYERFUL SUPPORT OF ALL AMERICANS THAT WE WILL FAITHFULLY UPHOLD THE MORAL AND SPIRITUAL PRINCIPLES SET FORTH BY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS. AND DR. HOLLINGSWORTH IS PASTOR OF FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF ALEXANDRIA, WHICH, SINCE ITS ORGANIZATION IN 1803, HAS SERVED THE SPIRITUAL NEEDS OF COUNTLESS CITIZENS OF THE NATION' S CAPITAL AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. IT IS ONE OF THE TRULY HISTORIC CHURCHES OF THE AREA. ITS CONGREGATION NUMBERS 2, 850 MEMBERS. THE FIRST BAPTIST ANNUAL BUDGET HAS GROWN TO $ 2 MILLION. IN ADDITION TO THE SPIRITUAL NEEDS OF ITS CONGREGATION, FIRST BAPTIST OF ALEXANDRIA SERVES MANY OTHER LOCAL, NATIONAL, AND INTERNATIONAL MINISTRIES, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, TANZINA AND THE UKRAINE AND OTHERS. NOW, A PERSONAL WORD ABOUT DR. HOLLINGSWORTH. HE AND GWENN BEMAN WERE MARRIED JUST A FEW DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS IN 1978. THEY HAVE TWO FINE SONS, JONATHAN ANDREW AND RYAN THOMAS. AND GARY' S FRIENDS ARE EXCITED ABOUT HIS BEING PART OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE TODAY, BUT I SUSPECT THAT HIS REMARKABLE PARENTS, L. T. AND MAGOLINE HOLLINGSWORTH ARE EXCITED MOST OF ALL. A NUMBER OF STAFF MEMBERS OF THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH AND MEMBERS OF THAT CHURCH ARE HERE TODAY AND, OF COURSE, THE SENATE WELCOMES ALL OF THEM AS WELL. NOW, FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY' S SENATE SESSION, DR. HOLLINGSWORTH WILL HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF THE SENATE FLOOR. HE CAN COME AND GO, MEANING THAT HE CAN MEET THE SENATORS AND TALK WITH THEM AND MAYBE COUNSEL SOME OF US WHO NEED IT MOST. BUT THANK YOU, CHAPLAIN HOLLINGSWORTH OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE FOR THIS DAY, FOR BEING WITH US TODAY. AND THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AND I YIELD THE FLOOR. I SUGGEST THE ABSENCE OF A QUORUM.

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  • 08:34:51 AM

    THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE

  • 08:36:01 AM

    MR. HELMS

  • 08:36:02 AM

    THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE

    THE ABLE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA.

  • 08:36:04 AM

    MR. HELMS

  • 08:36:15 AM

    THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE

  • 08:36:21 AM

    MR. HELMS

    MR. PRESIDENT, IS THERE A UNANIMOUS CONSENT STIPULATING WHAT SHALL HAPPEN…

    MR. PRESIDENT, IS THERE A UNANIMOUS CONSENT STIPULATING WHAT SHALL HAPPEN NOW? I ASSUME THE PENDING BUSINESS IS STILL THE BOSNIA RESOLUTION; IS THAT CORRECT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL REPORT.

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  • 08:36:32 AM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL REPORT.

  • 08:36:34 AM

    THE CLERK

    S. 21, A BILL TO TERMINATE THE UNITED STATES ARMS EMBARGO APPLICABLE TO…

    S. 21, A BILL TO TERMINATE THE UNITED STATES ARMS EMBARGO APPLICABLE TO THE GOVERNMENT OF BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA.

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  • 08:36:43 AM

    MR. HELPS

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  • 08:36:45 AM

    MR. HELMS

    I WOULD INQUIRE OF THE CHAIR IF THERE IS -- IF THE FIRST SPEAKER ON THIS…

    I WOULD INQUIRE OF THE CHAIR IF THERE IS -- IF THE FIRST SPEAKER ON THIS MEASURE HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE UNANIMOUS CONSENT. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE FIRST SPEAKER SCHEDULED WAS TO BE THE SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT, SENATOR DODD. MR. HELMS:

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  • 08:36:56 AM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE FIRST SPEAKER SCHEDULED WAS TO BE THE SENATOR FROM…

    OFFICER: THE FIRST SPEAKER SCHEDULED WAS TO BE THE SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT, SENATOR DODD. MR. HELMS: SENATOR DODD. I THANK THE CHAIR. AND I SUGGEST THE

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  • 08:37:02 AM

    MR. HELMS

    SENATOR DODD. I THANK THE CHAIR. AND I SUGGEST THE ABSENCE OF A QUORUM.…

    SENATOR DODD. I THANK THE CHAIR. AND I SUGGEST THE ABSENCE OF A QUORUM. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.

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  • 08:37:06 AM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.

  • 08:37:25 AM

    Quorum Call

  • 09:06:02 AM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM MICHIGAN. MR. LEVIN: MADAM PRESIDENT, I ASK…

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM MICHIGAN. MR. LEVIN: MADAM PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT FURTHER PROCEEDINGS UNDER THE QUORUM CALL BE DISPENSED WITH.

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  • 09:06:04 AM

    MR. LEVIN

    PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT FURTHER PROCEEDINGS UNDER THE…

    PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT FURTHER PROCEEDINGS UNDER THE QUORUM CALL BE DISPENSED WITH.

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  • 09:06:08 AM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

  • 09:06:09 AM

    MR. LEVIN

    OBJECTION. MR. LEVIN: MADAM PRESIDENT, THE FACT THAT MORE THAN THREE YEARS…

    OBJECTION. MR. LEVIN: MADAM PRESIDENT, THE FACT THAT MORE THAN THREE YEARS AFTER THE OUTBREAK OF HOSTILITIES IN THE BALKAN, WE' RE DEBATING THE SAME ISSUES WE DID NOT RESOLVE THREE YEARS AGO IS PROOF OF THE INABILITY OF THE LEADERS TO STOP THE ETHNIC CLEANSING GOING ON IN BOSNIA. AND IT IS SURELY PROOF THAT IT IS A FALSE HOPE TO BELIEVE THAT AGGRESSION WHICH IS IGNORED WILL SOMEHOW STOP ON ITS OWN WITHOUT THE USE OF COLLECTIVE FORCE. THERE IS NO USE IN BLAMING NATO OR BLAMING THE UNITED NATIONS. WE HAVE TO BLAME THE LEADING NATIONS OF NATO AND THE UNITED NATIONS. LEADING NATIONS MEANS THE UNITED STATES, THE FRENCH, THE BRITISH AND OUR OTHER ALLIES WHO HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO LEAD, BUT WHO HAVE COLLECTIVELY FAILED. WE' VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE FAILURE OF THE UNITED NATIONS AND THE FAILURE OF NATO. AND, YEAH, THERE' S PLENTY OF FAILURE THERE. BUT, NATO AND THE UNITED NATIONS ARE MADE UP OF COUNTRIES. AND THOSE ENTITIES FOLLOW THE DECISIONS AND THE WILL OF THEIR MEMBERS. SO WHEN THE UNITED NATIONS FAILS, IT' S BECAUSE WE OR THE BRITISH OR THE FRENCH OR THE RUSSIANS OR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COUNCIL OR THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WHO MAKE UP THE UNITED NATIONS AND WON' T ALLOW IT TO DO SOMETHING HAVE DECIDED ON THAT COURSE OF ACTION. AND THE SAME THING IS TRUE WITH NATO. NATO HAS FAILED BECAUSE WE AND THE BRITISH AND THE FRENCH AND THE OTHER MEMBERS OF NATO WON' T AGREE ON A COURSE OF ACTION IN THE BALKANS. WE HAVE FAILED COLLECTIVELY. WE HAVE FAILED. THERE' S NO EASY ANSWER IN BOSNIA. BUT, I' M CONVINCED THAT THE LEAST BAD ANSWER IS TO ALLOW BOSNIANS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. I' VE BEEN CONVINCED OF THAT FOR A LONG TIME. NOTHING HAS CHANGED MY VIEW. QUITE THE OPPOSITE. I' M MORE CONVINCED THAN EVER THAT SINCE WE IN WESTERN EUROPE ARE NOT WILLING, AND NO ONE IS WILLING TO SEND IN GROUND FORCES TO DEFEND THE BOSNIAN GOVERNMENT AND ITS PEOPLE AGAINST AGGRESSION, THAT THE LEAST WE SHOULD DO IS TO ALLOW THEM THE RIGHT THAT EVERY OTHER GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD HAS, AND THAT IS THE RIGHT OF SELF- DEFENSE. NO OTHER STATE RECOGNIZED BY THE UNITED NATIONS IS BEING PREVENTED FROM EXERCISING THIS INHERENT RIGHT. IF LIFTING THE EMBARGO RESULTS IN THE UNITED NATIONS LEAVING AND IF IT RESULTS IN THE SUSPENSION OF HUMANITARIAN RELIEF, THEN AT LEAST THE BOSNIANS WILL HAVE BEEN ABLE TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO DIE FIGHTING INSTEAD OF HAVING THEIR HANDS TIED BY THIS EMBARGO WHILE THEY' RE BEING SLAUGHTERED. I FIND IT MORALLY REPUGNANT THAT WE, THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD, ARE DENYING BOSNIA THAT RIGHT WHILE BEING UNWILLING COLLECTIVELY TO COME TO THE DEFENSE OF BOSNIA. IT IS PARTICULARLY REPUGNANT IN THE LIGHT OF THE ETHNIC CLEANSING, THE RAPE, THE FORCED MARS WHICH THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAS ACKNOWLEDGED ARE BEING CARRIED OUT PRIMARILY BY THE BOSNIAN SERBS. THE UNITED NATIONS ESTIMATES THAT THE BOSNIAN SERBS HAVE EXPELLED, KILLED OR IMPRISONED OVER 90% OF THE 1, 700, 000 NON- SERBS WHO BEFORE THE WAR LIVED IN THE TERRITORY HELD BY THE BOSNIAN SERBS. IT IS NOT IN THE -- NOT JUST IN THE NAME OF DECENCY THAT WE MUST ALLOW THE BOSNIANS TO FIGHT BACK. IN THE HOPE OF STOPPING SERB AGGRESSION BEFORE IT SPREADS MORE WIDELY AND BEFORE IT INVOLVES NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES AND ULTIMATELY US IN A WIRED, DEEPER CON FLICTL, WE ALSO MUST ALLOW THE BOSNIANS THE RIGHT TO FIGHT BACK. AT THIS POINT ALLOWING THE BOSNIANS TO FIGHT BACK SEEMS TO ME TO BE THE BEST HOPE OF EVENTUALLY STOPPING SERB EXPANSIONIST DRIVE. SO, IT MOVES JUST THAT IT MORALLY REPUGNANT NOT TO ALLOW THE BOSNIANS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, I DON' T SEE ANY OTHER WAY OF STOPPING SERB EXPANSIONISM UNLESS SOMEONE TRIES PHYSICALLY TO STOP IT. AND WHO' S GOING TO TRY TO STOP IT? WHO IS THERE FIGHTING THE SERBS IN THEIR EXPANSIONIST GOALS? AND THEY HAVE THEM. THEIR GOALS FOR A GREATER SERBIA, WHICH CAN SPREAD INTO THE BALKANS, CAN SPREAD INTO EUROPE. AND THE BALKANS CAN ONCE AGAIN BE THE SOURCE OF A WIDER WAR WHICH THEN DRAGS IN AMERICA, AS WE' VE BEEN DRAGGED IN TWICE IN THIS CENTURY, SO THAT NO ONE BELIEVED THAT ALLOWING THE BOSNIANS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES IS GOING TO AMERICANIZE THE WAR MORE THAN DOING NOTHING. DOING NOTHING WILL ALSO RESULT SOMEDAY IN AMERICA BEING DRAGGED INTO A WIDER CONFLICT. AND THE ONLY WAY TO PREVENT A WIDER CONFLICT IS TO ALLOW SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO FIGHT AGAINST SERB EXPANSIONISM TO FIGHT. AND THAT IS WHAT THE BOSNIANS NOT ONLY ARE WILLING TO DO, BUT THEY ARE PLEADING WITH US THAT THEY BE ALLOWED TO DO. BOSNIA HAS BEEN LITTERED BY BROKEN PROMISES. NONE OF US CAN BE SANGUINE ABOUT THE NEW THREATS OF AIRSTRIKES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE LAST FEW DAYS. WE LOOK AT THE FINE PRINT OF THE LONDON AGREEMENT, AND WE SEE THAT US AND OUR ALLIES, NATO AND U. N. OFFICIALS ARE STILL ARGUING ABOUT THE DUAL- KEY APPROACH, ABOUT WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO CALL IN AIRSTRIKES AND WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO VETO THEM AND ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE THREATS APPLY TO GORAZDE OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY APPLY TO ALL SAFE AREAS. WE READ IN THE MORNING NEWSPAPER THAT U. N. OFFICIALS ARE NOW GIVEN THE RIGHT TO VETO AIRSTRIKES BY NATO. WE WERE TOLD LAST WEEKEND NO THEY WEREN' T. NATO AND THE U. N. ARE AGAIN IN DISARRAY WITHIN A FEW DAYS AFTER PRESUMABLY THERE HAD BEEN AN AGREEMENT. AND IF THERE IS ANY PRINCIPLE INVOLVED IN THE LONDON CONFERENCE, IN THE LONDON AGREEMENT, IT WAS THAT A CREDIBLE THREAT OF AIRSTRIKES AGAINST STRATEGIC SERB TARGETS IN BOSNIA WOULD HAVE AT LEAST A REASONABLE PROSPECT OF STOPPING AN ATTACK ON GORAZDE. NOW, THAT IS WHAT THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE TOLD US YESTERDAY. THAT AT LEAST A CREDIBLE THREAT WOULD HAVE THE POSSIBLE EFFECT OF DETERRING AN ATTACK ON GORAZDE. IT' S NOT GUARANTEED THAT THAT THREAT OF AN AIRSTRIKE, EVEN IF IT IS ADD DRESZED AT TARGETS IN BOSNIA HELD BY THE SERBS, OUTSIDE OF THE IMMEDIATE AREA, THAT A THREAT, A CREDIBLE THREAT OF A STRONG AIR ATTACK WOULD DETER THE ATTACK. BUT AT LEAST THERE WAS THAT POSSIBILITY. THAT' S WHAT IS AT THE HEART OF THE LONDON DECLARATION. SO THEN THE QUESTION COMES, IF IT' S POSSIBLE THAT THE THREAT OF A CREDIBLE AIRSTRIKE WOULD STOP AN ATTACK ON GORAZDE, WHY WOULDN' T THAT SAME THREAT STOP THE ATTACK ON SARAJEVO? WHY DO WE APPLY THE GORAZDE RULES TO SARAJEVO? WHAT LONDON DID WAS GIVE A GREEN LIGHT FOR AN ATTACK ON SARAJEVO, BECAUSE WHAT IT SAID WAS THE THREAT OF A CREDIBLE AIR ATTACK IS LIMITED TO GORAZDE. AND WHEN I ASKED THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE AND SECRETARY OF STATE YESTERDAY WHY DON' T WE APPLY THAT SAME THREAT TO STOP THIS ONGOING ASSAULT AND SIEGE OF THE CAPITOL OF THE -- CAPITAL OF THE NATION THAT BELONGS TO THE UNITED NATIONS, I WAS TOLD WE HOPE THAT THAT SAME DECISION WILL BE MADE RELATIVE TO SARAJEVO IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. WELL, I HOPE IT WILL BE TOO. BUT I' M NOT GOING TO HOLD MY BREATH. AND I CAN' T HONESTLY TELL THE PEOPLE OF BOSNIA, WHO HAVE SUFFERED FOR YEARS, THAT SOMEHOW OR OTHER THESE KIND OF FALTERING STEPS, THREAT TODAY, WATERED DOWN TOMORROW, THREAT TODAY, NOT CARRIED OUT TOMORROW, THAT THIS CAN IN ANY WAY PROTECT THEM. THERE' S ONLY ONE THING THAT' S GOING TO PROTECT THE BOSNIAN PEOPLE FROM THE BOSNIAN SERB EXPANSION. AND THAT' S IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. IT' S BEEN PROVEN YEAR AFTER YEAR THIS IS THEIR ONLY DEFENSE DEFENSE. THERE IS NO OTHER. NOW WE' RE TOLD THAT THIS WOULD BE A BAD PRECEDENT WITHDRAWING FROM THE UNITED NATIONS -- UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION. BUT, THIS WOULDN' T BE THE FIRST UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION WHICH HAS BEEN IGNORED IN BOSNIA. AND IGNORED BY US. THE UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION LAST SEPTEMBER WHICH WAS AN EFFORT TO PUNISH THE SERBS FOR REJECTING THE CONTACT GROUP' S PEACE PLAN. NOW THAT RESOLUTION JUST LAST SEPTEMBER DECLARED THAT ALL STATES SHOULD, " DESIST FROM ANY POLITICAL TALKS WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF THE BOSNIAN SERB PARTY AS LONG AS THAT PARTY HAS NOT ACCEPTED THE PROPOSED SETTLEMENT IN FULL." THE UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION: RESOLUTION: ALL STATES SHOULD -- QUOTE -- " DESIST FROM ANY POLITICAL TALKS WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF THE BOSNIAN SERB PARTY AS LONG AS THAT PARTY HAS NOT ACCEPTED THE PROPOSED SETTLEMENT IN FULL." WITHIN FOUR MONTHS WE VIOLATED THAT RESOLUTION. UNILATERALLY. THERE WAS NO CHANGE IN THAT RESOLUTION. WE AND OTHER EUROPEAN OFFICIALS WENT TO PALE FOR POLITICAL TALKS WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF THE BOSNIAN SERB PARTY. U. S. SPECIAL ENVOY CHARLES THOMAS WENT THERE, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE PRECONDITIONS WHICH HAVE BEEN SET FOR THAT DIRECT DIALOGUE HAD NOT BEEN MET. NOW, THAT WAS A BLATANT DISREGARD UNILATERALLY FOR AN IMPORTANT UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION. OF COURSE, THAT ONE WAS DEALING WITH THE SERBS. SO, I GUESS THAT ONE' S OVERLOOKED. THAT DOESN' T COUNT. IT WAS A RESOLUTION VERY SPECIFICALLY REGULATING DIPLOMATIC AND POLITICAL AND MILITARY MATTERS, AND WE IGNORED IT. UNILATERALLY WE IGNORED IT. THE U. S. AMBASSADOR TO BOSNIA AT THAT TIME, VICTOR JAKOVICH, OBJECTED TO THE VISIT AND WAS RECALLED TO WASHINGTON AS A RESULT OF HIS STATEMENT OF OBJECTION. THIS GENOCIDE IN BOSNIA HAS TAKEN OREGON WELLAN ASPECTS. UNPROFOR IS NO LONGER A PROTECTION FORCE. SAFE HAVENS ARE NEITHER SAFE NOR ARE THEY HAVENS. THE CONTACT GROUP OF NATIONS IS NOT MAKING ANY SIGNIFICANT CONTACT WITH THE WARRING PARTIES ON THE PEACE AGREEMENT. AND PEACEKEEPERS ARE NOW HOSTAGES AND HUMAN SHIELDS. WHATEVER ELSE, WHATEVER ELSE, THE UNITED STATES AND OUR ALLIES HAVE NOT MUSTERED THE WILL TO DEFEND BOSNIA. AND WE CANNOT IN CONSCIENCE, BOTH ENFORCE AN EMBARGO AND TELL THE BOSNIANS THAT WE' RE NOT GOING TO DEFEND YOU AND WE' RE NOT GOING TO THE LET YOU DEFEND YOURSELF. WE CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE SAY BOTH THINGS AT THE SAME TIME. WE' RE NOT GOING TO DEFEND YOU, AND WE' RE NOT GOING TO LET YOU DEFEND YOURSELF. IT' S ONE OR THE OTHER. BOTH MORALLY IT' S ONE OR THE OTHER. AND ALSO IT' S ONE OR THE OTHER FOR VERY PRACTICAL REASONS. AND THAT IS THAT UNLESS THERE IS A COUNTERWAY TO SERB EXPANSIONAL IN BOSNIA, IT WILL CONTINUE. NEXT WILL BE KOSOVO. NEXT WILL BE CROATIA. NEXT, OTHER COUNTRIES WILL BE BECOME INVOLVED IN STOPPING THAT EXPANSION. NEXT, OTHER COUNTRIES WILL RESPOND TO THE FIRST COUNTRY' S GETTINGING INVOLVED. NEXT, A BALKAN WAR SPREADS TO EUROPE. THERE IS NO EASY ANSWER IN BOSNIA. AND ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT THERE IS A CURE IS MAKING A TERRIBLE MISTAKE. ALLOWING THE BOSNIANS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES HAS RISKS. THE STATUS QUO HAS RISKS. AND IN JUDGING WHICH ARE THE GREATER RISKS, NOBODY CAN BE SURE THAT THEIR JUDGMENT IS THE RIGHT. BUT YEAR AFTER YEAR I HAVE FELT THAT WITH ALL OF THE CLASH OF PROS AND CONS, THERE IS ONE NUGGET OF TRUTH, AND THAT IS THE RIGHT OF SELF- DEFENSE. OF THAT, I AM SURE. I AM SURE THAT THE UNITED NATIONS CHARTER, AN INTERNATIONAL LAW, PERMITS EVERY NATION THE RIGHT OF SELF- DEFENSE. I AM SURE THAT THIS COUNTRY HAS STOOD FOR THAT FOR AS LONG AS WE HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE. WE HAVE STOPPED STANDING FOR THAT IN BOSNIA. LATER ON TODAY THE SENATE WILL REASSERT THAT FUNDAMENTAL BELIEF THAT EVERY NATION HAS A RIGHT OF SELF- DEFENSE. AND IF THERE' S ANY PLACE WHERE THAT RIGHT IS APPROPRIATE, IT IS IN A PLACE THAT HAS BEEN THE VICTIM OF A GENOCIDE. I NEVER THOUGHT WE WOULD HEAR THE WORDS " ETHNIC CLEANSING" AGAIN IN THIS CENTURY. WE NOT ONLY HEARD THEM, WE HAVE WATCHED THEM. WE HAVE WATCHED ETHNIC CLEANSING OPERATE. WE SAW A PICTURE IN THE PAPER OF SERBIAN TROOPS SEPARATING MEN FROM WOMEN AND CHILDREN. THE MEN GOING THAT WAY, PROBABLY TO SLAUGHTER. THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN GOING THIS WAY PROBABLY TO RAPE OR TO OTHER HORRORS. THAT PICTURE REMINDED ME OF ANOTHER PICTURE THAT TOOK PLACE IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP ABOUT 50 YEARS AGO WHERE GESTAPO AGENTS AT THE DOORS OF THE CAMP SEPARATED FAMILIES, SOME TO THEIR DEATH, A FEW TO SURVIVE. IT' S TIME TO LET THE BOSNIANS DEFEND THEMSELVES. IT' S BEEN LONG OVERDUE. AND THE SENATE TODAY IS GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT WHICH I HOPE IS A POWERFUL STATEMENT THAT IS THAT GENOCIDE, IF WE CAN' T STOP IT AND IF WE' RE UNWILLING TO STOP IT, WE SURELY MUST LET THE VICTIMS OF THE GENOCIDE TRY TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM THAT HORROR. MADAM PRESIDENT, I YIELD THE FLOOR.

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  • 09:23:19 AM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.

  • 09:35:29 AM

    MR. NICKLES

  • 09:35:30 AM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM OBSERVING SOAK RECOGNIZED. MR. NICKLES: MADAM…

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM OBSERVING SOAK RECOGNIZED. MR. NICKLES: MADAM PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT FURTHER PROCEEDINGS UNDER THE QUORUM CALL BE DISPENSED WITH. THE PRESIDING OFFICER:

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  • 09:35:32 AM

    MR. NICKLES

    MADAM PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT FURTHER PROCEEDINGS UNDER…

    MADAM PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT FURTHER PROCEEDINGS UNDER THE QUORUM CALL BE DISPENSED WITH. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION. MR. NICKLES: MADAM PRESIDENT, I RISE TODAY IN SUPPORT OF THE RESOLUTION THAT' S BEFORE US, THE RESOLUTION SPONSORED BY SENATOR DOLE, SENATOR LIEBERMAN, AND MANY OTHERS.

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  • 09:35:36 AM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION. MR. NICKLES: MADAM PRESIDENT, I RISE TODAY IN SUPPORT…

    WITHOUT OBJECTION. MR. NICKLES: MADAM PRESIDENT, I RISE TODAY IN SUPPORT OF THE RESOLUTION THAT' S BEFORE US, THE RESOLUTION SPONSORED BY SENATOR DOLE, SENATOR LIEBERMAN, AND MANY OTHERS.

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  • 09:35:37 AM

    MR. NICKLES

    MADAM PRESIDENT, I RISE TODAY IN SUPPORT OF THE RESOLUTION THAT' S BEFORE…

    MADAM PRESIDENT, I RISE TODAY IN SUPPORT OF THE RESOLUTION THAT' S BEFORE US, THE RESOLUTION SPONSORED BY SENATOR DOLE, SENATOR LIEBERMAN, AND MANY OTHERS. I COMPLIMENT THEM FOR THIS RESOLUTION. I ALSO COMPLIMENT MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO SPOKE SO ELOQUENTLY ON THIS ISSUE YESTERDAY. I WAS ONE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK AND NOTICED THE PRESIDING OFFICER MADE AN EXCELLENT SPEECH LAST NIGHT. SEVERAL OTHER OF MY COLLEAGUES, SENATOR MCCAIN AND OTHERS, SPOKE VERY ELOQUENTLY ON THE NEED FOR THIS RESOLUTION. AND I COMPLIMENT THEM FOR IT. MADAM PRESIDENT, MY INVOLVEMENT IN THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA PROBABLY STARTED WITH THE TRIP THAT I MADE WITH SENATOR DOLE TO YUGOSLAVIA IN THE SUMMER OF 1990. I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA AND SOME OF THE REPUBLICS AT THAT TIME, AND I MUST SAY MY EYES WERE OPENED. I WAS SHOCKED BY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD SEEN. BY SOME OF THE DISCRIMINATION AND I' M GOING TO SAY HATRED BY SOME OF THE LEADERS IN SERBIA, PARTICULARLY MR. MILOSEVICH. I REMEMBER SENATOR DOLE AND OTHERS ON THE TRIP, WE WANTED TO GO INTO KOSOVO. MR. MILOSEVICH DIDN' T WANT US TO GO. I REMEMBER THERE WAS SO- CALLED ELECTIONS IN SERBIA ABOUT THAT TIME, AND HE STOLE THE ELECTIONS. BUT HE DIDN' T WANT US TO GO INTO KOSOVO BECAUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS AND THE -- WE WANTED TO GO INTO KOSOVO BECAUSE WE HEARD OF HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS AND THEY DIDN' T WANT US TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT. THE PEOPLE OF KOSOVO WANTED US TO GO, AND WE EVENTUALLY WENT. AND I' LL SAY WE WENT BECAUSE OF THE LEADERSHIP OF SENATOR DOLE. EVEN THE STATE DEPARTMENT SAID, WELL, THIS MAY BE -- MAYBE WE DON' T KNOW ABOUT THIS. BUT SENATOR DOLE SAID, " NO, WE' RE GOING TO GO." AND WE WENT, AFTER HOURS OF HAGGLING AND NEGOTIATIONS. WE EVENTUALLY WENT. AND WE SAW THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE PEOPLE, ALBANIANS. KOSOVO I THINK IS ABOUT 85% ALBANIAN. AND THEY WERE REALLY OPPRESSED. THEY HAD BEEN DENIED JOBS. THEY HAD TAKEN -- THEIR NEWSPAPERS HAD BEEN SHUT DOWN. THEY WERE DENIED ACCESS TO RADIOS. THEY WERE EXPELED FROM HOSPITALS, FROM UNIVERSITIES, AND OTHER INSTITUTIONS. AND, FRANKLY, THE LEADERS IN SERBIA -- AND I HOPE YOU' LL NOTE THAT I' M TALKING ABOUT THE LEADERS, BECAUSE NOT ALL SERBS ARE BAD, BUT CERTAINLY IN MY OPINION THEY HAVE SOME VERY BAD LEADERSHIP -- THEY DISTORTED THE WHOLE THRUST OF OUR INTENTIONS. OUR INTENTIONS WERE TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE, AND THEY TRIED TO DENY US THAT ACCESS. WE DID LISTEN TO MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN KOSOVO ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE. AND WE SAW MASS DEMONSTRATIONS, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, IN MANY CASES THE POLICE TRIED TO DENY THEM ACCESS TO US. BUT I WON' T FORGET THAT TRIP. I WON' T FORGET THE LEADERSHIP THAT SENATOR DOLE HAD MADE IN TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THE PEOPLE IN KOSOVO. AND ALSO I WON' T FORGET THE WAY THAT MR. MILOSEVICH HAD DISTORTED OUR TRIP, DISTORTED THE PRESS AFTERWARDS, AND HOW HE HAD SUPPRESSED SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN KOSOVO. AND WE SEE THAT TYPE OF LEADERSHIP. IT ALSO REMINDS ME OF THE SAME TRIP WHERE WE WERE ALSO, IN OTHER COUNTRIES, SOME OF THE WESTERN -- OR EASTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES THAT WERE NOW EXPERIENCING DEMOCRACY AND HOW EXCITED THEY WERE, AND THEN YET TO SEE THIS HAPPENING IN THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA AND HOW SAD THAT WAS. AND NOW WE SEE SOME RESULTS LATER. I MIGHT MENTION AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE PASSED AN AMENDMENT. AND I' LL MENTION THAT AMENDMENT IN THE FALL OF 1990 THAT WAS OPPOSED BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. BUT THE THRUST OF IT WAS THAT IF WE' RE GOING TO GIVE ECONOMIC ASSISTANCE TO THE REPUBLICS IN THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA, THEY MUST BE SHOWING SOME RESPECT FOR HUMAN RIGHTS AND DEMOCRACY. SERBIA DIDN' T QUALIFY. OTHER REPUBLICS DID QUALIFY. AND SO WE HAD A HEATED DEBATE ON THAT. WE HAD A CONFERENCE ON THAT ONE ISSUE THAT LASTED FOR HOURS. WE PASSED THAT AMENDMENT, THE SO- CALLED NICKLES- DOLE AMENDMENT. IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST LEGISLATIVE ITEMS THAT WE HAD HAD DEALING WITH THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA THAT SAID, WE WANT TO SUPPORT THE FORCES THAT ARE TRYING TO RESPECT HUMAN RIGHTS AND FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY. AGAIN, I SAY, THIS IS BACK IN THE FALL OF 1990. SO THIS IS NOT A NEW ISSUE. MR. PRESIDENT, IN THINKING BACK A LITTLE MORE RECENTLY, I REMEMBER AN ISSUE THAT WE HAD IN THE SUMMER OF 1993 WHERE THIS SENATOR AND OTHERS RAISED THE PROSPECT THAT WE FELT LIKE THIS ADMINISTRATION WAS TRYING TO DELEGATE TOO MUCH AUTHORITY TO THE UNITED NATIONS. WE HAD A VOTE ON THIS FLOOR, ACTUALLY WE HAD AMENDMENTS AND FOUGHT IT FOR TWO DAYS ON THE FLOOR, SAYING THAT WE DIDN' T THINK THAT U. S. MILITARY COMBATANTS SHOULD BE PLACED UNDER UNITED NATIONS CONTROL. WE EVENTUALLY LOST THAT AMENDMENT. BUT I THINK WE MADE A POINT. OUR POINT WAS THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION WAS VERY INTENT ON DELEGATING U. S. AUTHORITY TO MILITARY -- MILITARY AUTHORITY UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE UNITED NATIONS. WE STATED THEN -- TWO YEARS AGO -- THAT THAT WOULDN' T WORK. AND I THINK THE EVENTS IN BOSNIA, THE EVENTS IN THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA HAVE PROVEN THAT TO BE THE CASE. THEY HAVEN' T WORKED. THE UNITED NATIONS IS WANT A MILITARY MACHINE -- IS NOT A MILITARY MACHINE. IT MAY BE A DIPLOMATIC EFFORT, BUT THEIR EFFORTS ON THE MILITARY FRONT WILL CERTAINLY FAIL, AND THEY HAVE FAILED. AND WE' RE WITNESSING A REAL TRAGEDY. A REAL TRAGEDY IN A LACK OF LEADERSHIP FROM THE UNITED NATIONS, A LACK OF LEADERSHIP FROM THE UNITED STATES, A LOT OF MISTAKES HAVE BEEN MADE, AND WE CONTINUE TO SEE WAR- TORN BOSNIA SUFFER AS A RESULT KNOW AS A RESULT. MR. PRESIDENT, MYSELF AND OTHERS HAVE MET WITH THE PRIME MINISTER OF BOSNIA AND HE SAID " LET US DEFEND OURSELVES. LIFT THE ARMS EMBARGO." THE ARMS EMBARGO THAT WAS PLAIRDS IN 1991 WAS PLACED ON THE ENTIRE YUGOSLAVIA. THERE' S NOT A YUGOSLAVIA TODAY. THE ARMS EMBARGO WASN' T PLACED ON THE STATE OF BOSNIA. MAYBE WE MADE A MISTAKE IN RECOGNIZING THE STATE OF BOSNIA. BUT WE' VE DONE THAT. THAT MAY HAVE BEEN A MISTAKE. BUT BOSNIA IS AN INDEPENDENT NATION. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. AND THEN UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE UNITED NATIONS, WE SAY, WELL, WE' LL HAVE A RESOLUTION AND WE' LL DESIGNATE SAFE AREAS. WELL, THOSE SAFE AREAS AREN' T SAFE. THE SENATOR FROM TEXAS POINTED OUT LAST NIGHT THEY ARE NOT SAFE. AND IT' S A REAL TRAGEDY, A HUMAN RIGHTS TRAGEDY, WHEN YOU SEE TODAY GENOCIDE TAKING PLACE PLACE, WHEN YOU SEE PEOPLE EITHER BEING SLAUGHTERED OR RAPED OR SEPARATED FROM THEIR FAMILIES, THE MEN ON ONE SIDE AND THE WOMEN ON ANOTHER, AND THE OTHER PEOPLE TRANSPORTED OUT, ETHNIC CLEANSING HAPPENING TODAY, IN 1995, IN THE SO- CALLED SAFE AREAS, WHERE WE HAVE UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTIONS SAYING THIS IS GOING TO BE A A AREA AND IT' S WANT SAFE. WELL, CERTAINLY, WE SHOULD ACCEDE TO THE REQUEST OF THE PEOPLE OF BOSNIA THAT SAYS, " AT LEAST LET US PROTECT OURSELVES." LET' S GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY. THEY' VE REQUESTED THAT OPPORTUNITY. SOME PEOPLE SAY, WELL, IF WE DO THAT, THINK OF THE CONSEQUENCES. AND I THINK THAT' S IMPORTANT. WE SHOULD THINK OF THE CONSEQUENCES. WHAT WILL HAPPEN? WELL, WHO' S IN THE BEST SITUATION TO MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS? I WOULD SAY THE PEOPLE OF BOSNIA. AND THE PEOPLE OF BOSNIA ARE SAYING THEY' RE GOING TO ASK THE U. N. SO- CALLED PEACEKEEPING TROOPS TO LEAVE IF THEY WISH TO DO SO, LET' S LET THEM DO SO. IF THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO PROTECT THEMSELVES, CERTAINLY WE SHOULD DO THAT. SENATOR MCCAIN SAID ON THE FLOOR LAST NIGHT THERE' S WORTH THINGS THAN DYING. AND CERTAINLY IF A FAMILY IS BEING SEPARATED -- AND THERE' S SEPARATED FROM THEIR LOVED ONES -- THEY OUGHT TO AT LEAST HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR FAMILIES, AND WE' RE NOT GIVING THEM THAT. WE' VE GIVEN THEM A FALSE UMBRELLA CALLED THE UNITED NATIONS SAFE HAVENS, AND THEY HAVEN' T PROVEN TO BE SAFE. SURELY WE OWE IT TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO ALLOW THEM TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT THEMSELVES. WE HAVEN' T DONE THAT UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION. THE ADMINISTRATION, AS A CANDIDATE, PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON SAID, OH, YES, HE WANTED TO LIFT THE EMBARGO. AND MAYBE MADE A COUPLE OF FAILED ATTEMPTS. AND TO ME THAT SHOWS A LACK OF REAL LEADERSHIP. HE MADE AN ATTEMPT THROUGH THE UNITED NATIONS EARLY IN 1993 TO HAVE A MULTILATERAL LIFTING OF THE EMBARGO BUT IT WASN' T SUCCESSFUL. WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, WHEN WE HAD A WORLD CRISIS IN THE PERSIAN GULF WITH THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, THEY WERE ABLE TO PASS U. N. RESOLUTIONS AND ENFORCE THOSE U. N. RESOLUTIONS. THEY HAD TEETH, THEY HAD RESPECT, AND WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING OUR ALLIES IN THE UNITED NATIONS, AND SOME PEOPLE WHO YOU WOULD NOT CONSIDER OUR ALLIES IN THE UNITED NATIONS, TO SUPPORT THOSE RESOLUTIONS TO EXPEL SADDAM HUSSEIN AND THE IRAQIS FROM KUWAIT. AND WE BUILT UP A WORLDWIDE EFFORT AND COMMUNITY TO OPPOSE HIS AGGRESSION TO FINANCE THE OPPOSITION TO THAT AGGRESSION AND MILITARILY PUT THE FORCES TOGETHER TO REPEL THAT AGGRESSION. WE PASSED UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTIONS AND WE ENFORCED THOSE RESOLUTIONS. THIS ADMINISTRATION TWO YEARS LATER IS NOT ABLE TO CONVINCE OUR ALLIES TO LIFT THE EMBARGO. AND INSTEAD IS LEADING US DOWN A ROAD TO SURELY SIGNIFICANT U. S. MILITARY INVOLVEMENT, WHICH I KNOW IS NOT THE STATED DESIRE OR INTENTION OF THIS ADMINISTRATION. NOW THEY SAY, WELL, IF WE LIFT THE EMBARGO, U. N. TROOPS ARE GOING TO LEAVE AND SURELY THEN IT WOULD BE THE AMERICANIZATION OF THE WAR. WHY? BECAUSE THIS ADMINISTRATION SAID, WE' LL SUPPLY 25, 000 TROOPS TO GET THE U. N. TROOPS OUT. SO NOW WE HAVE U. S. GROUND TROOPS' INVOLVEMENT IN BOSNIA. WELL, WHERE DID THEY COME UP WITH THE 25, 000 TROOPS? MADAM PRESIDENT, TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD THIS DEBATE ON THE FLOOR, AND I WAS ARGUING AGAINST DELEGATING U. S. AUTHORITY TO THE UNITED NATIONS, I WAS QUOTING ADMINISTRATION SOURCES THAT SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO COMMIT 25, 000 TROOPS TO AN INTERNATIONAL PEACEKEEPING FORCE IN YUGOSLAVIA. AND I ARGUED AGAINST THAT. AND YET THAT' S WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO DO. THEY SAID, WELL, WE' VE ALREADY MADE A COMMITMENT. AND EVEN WHEN THEY MADE THAT PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT OF, YES, WE' LL PUT U. S. FORCES IN FOR THE WITHDRAWAL OR, A FEW WEEKS ARCS THE RELOCATION OF U. N. PEACEKEEPING FORCES. WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? THEY SAID, WELL, WE WERE CONTINUING WITH THE COMMITMENT OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. THAT IS NOT FACTUAL. THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION NEVER COMMITTED PUTTING U. S. GROUND FORCES IN YUGOSLAVIA, THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA, FOR ANY REASON. NOT RELOCATION OF TROOPS, NOT THE EXTRADITION -- EXINDICATION OF THE U. N. TROOPS -- THE EXTRICATION OF THE U. N. TROOPS. THEY DID, YES, WE MAY HAVE SOME AIR SUPPORT FOR PROTECTION OR COVER OR FOR WHATEVER REASON, BUT THEY DIDN' T SAY WE' D BE PUTTING IN GROUND TROOPS. NOW, THE PRIME MINISTER OF BOSNIA HAS SAID, " WHY DO YOU NEED 25, 000 TROOPS?" ALMOST ALL THE UNITED NATIONS TROOPS ARE UNDER THE BOSNIAN GOVERNMENT' S LAND CONTROL, MUSLIM CONTROL AREA, NOT SERB- CONTROLLED AREA. I THINK THEY SAID 30 OR 60 U. N. TROOPS MIGHT BE UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE SERBS. WHY DO WE NEED 25, 000 TROOPS TO GET THEM OUT? SO I WANT TO MAKE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR, I SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION LIFTING THE ARMS EMBARGO. I DO NOT SUPPORT THE 25, 000 TROOPS THAT PRESIDENT CLINTON MADE WITHOUT CONSULTING CONGRESS, CERTAINLY IN CONTRADICTION TO THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION' S COMMITMENT IN YUGOSLAVIA. I DON' T THINK YOU NEED 25, 000 TROOPS TO GET UNITED NATIONS TROOPS OUT. THOSE ARE TROOPS. THEY CAN GET OUT. THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF GETTING OUT. WHY MAKE THIS KIND OF UNILATERAL COMMITMENT, WELL, IF THEY' RE GOING TO GET OUT THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE A COMMITMENT TO HELP THEM GET OUT. THE BOSNIAN GOVERNMENT HAS SAID THEY' RE GOING TO ASK THEM TO LEAVE. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN A HELP. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN A POSITIVE FACTOR CONCERNING THIS. I' LL READ YOU A COUPLE OF QUOTES. BOSNIAN FOREIGN MINISTER -- " I EMPHASIZE ONCE AGAIN THAT WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR FOREIGN TROOPS TO COME TO BOSNIA. I EMPHASIZE ONCE AGAIN THAT WE' RE ONLY PREPARED TO COUNT ON OURSELVES AND NO ONE ELSE." THIS IS JULY 17 OF THIS YEAR. HE ALSO SAID -- AND I WILL QUOTE THIS -- " IT' S MY ASSESSMENT THAT YOU DON' T REALLY NEED THESE NATO TROOPS AND SERBT CERTAINLY NOT THESE U. S. TROOPS. THE REASON IS THAT WHEN THESE PLANS WERE DRAWN UP, THEY WERE DRAWN UP UNDER WORSE- CASE SCENARIOS, NUMBER ONE, ASSUMING A LARGE U. N. IN SERB- CONTROLLED SAIR TO HER, AND, NUMBER TWO, ASSUMING THAT BOSNIAN CIVILIANS WOULD SOMEHOW PREVENT TROOPS FROM LEAVING. IN THE FIRST POINT, THERE ARE ALMOST NO U. N. TROOPS ON SERB- CONTROLLED TERRITORY. THEY' VE ALL WITHDRAWN TO GOVERNMENT- CONTROLLED TERRITORY. EFFECTIVELY NOW IT IS GOVERNMENT TROOPS THAT ARE PROTECTING THEM AND WE ARE READY TO LET THEM LEAVE. AS FOR BOSNIAN CIVILIANS ARE PREVENTING U. N. FROM LEAVING, THEY' VE SEEN WHAT THE U. N. HAS DONE FOR THEM IN SREBRENICA AND WHAT IT' S DOING FOR THEM IN ZEPA AND WHAT IT NEEDS FOR THEM -- NEEDS TO DO FOR THEM IN GORAZDE AND, FRANKLY, WHAT IT NEEDS FOR THEM TO DO IN SARAJEVO. IT' S NOT A HECK OF A LOT. I THINK MOST OF THE BOSNIAN CIVILIANS, I THINK ALL, FRANKLY, WOULD BE GLAD TO SEE THE U. N. FORCES LEAVE." THAT WAS MADE ON JULY 18, 1995. SO BASICALLY THIS IS -- THE BOSNIAN FOREIGN MINISTER SAID WE' RE GOING TO BE ASKING THE U. N. FORCES TO LEAVE. THEY HAVEN' T HELPED. THE SAFE AREAS HAVEN' T HELPED. WE' VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENED IN SREBRENICA. WE' VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENED IN ZEPA. THEY' RE AFRAID WHAT' S GOING TO HAPPEN IN SARAJEVO. THEY ARE ASKING -- WE HAVE A LETTER ON OUR DESK THAT SAID, " PLEASE, I' M WRITING TO YOU TODAY TO ONCE AGAIN APPEAL TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE GOVERNMENT TO LIFT THE ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL ARMS EMBARGO ON OUR PEOPLE. TODAY' S VOTE IS A VOTE FOR HUMAN LIFE. ITS A VOTE FOR THE RIGHT AGAINST WRONG OF THE IT' S NOT ABOUT POLITICS, IT' S ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT THING." IT BASICALLY SAYS, " LET US DEFEND OURSELVES." SO WHY HAVE A COMMITMENT OF 25, 000 TROOPS? HE' S SAYING WE' RE GOING TO LET THE TROOPS OUT. THE TROOPS CAN GET OUT. DO WE HAVE TO GET THEIR EQUIPMENT OUT? WE' RE GOING TO RISK 25 TROOPS TO -- WE' RE GOING TO RISK 25, 000 TROOPS TO GET OUT U. N. EQUIPMENT? I DON' T THINK THAT EQUIPMENT IS WORTH THAT. AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOME FORCES HAPPEN TO SHOOT DOWN U. S. TRANSPORT HELICOPTERS OR SHOOT DOWN MILITARY EQUIPMENT OR PERSONNEL GET LOCKED IN OR IF THEY CAPTURE MORE PILOTS AND THEY HOLD THOSE CAPTIVE AND HOSTAGE? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO THEN? WELL, WE' RE PROBABLY GOING TO SEND IN MORE TROOPS TO MAKE SURE WE GET THEM OUT. IN OTHER WORDS, THE BOSNIAN PEOPLE, MADAM PRESIDENT, ARE NOTING IS FOR U. S. FORCES. THEY ARE NOT ASKING THAT WE SEND THAT WE SEND TROOPS. LET' S NOT DO IT. I THINK IT WOULD BE A MISTAKE. I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD MAKE A MISTAKE WHEN THEY SAID UNILATERALLY, OH, YES, WE' LL COMMIT 25, 000 U. S. FORCES FOR THE EXTRICATION OF THE U. N. FORCES. I THINK THAT' S A MISTAKE. AND SO I WANT TO BE VERY, VERY CLEAR THAT WHILE I SUPPORT THE LIFTING OF THE ARMS EMBARGO, I DON' T SUPPORT U. S. GROUND FORCES TO PULL OUT THE U. N. FORCES THAT WERE PROBABLY THERE IN A MISTAKE IN THE FIRST PLACE. MADAM PRESIDENT, LET' S ALLOW THE BOSNIANS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. LET' S LIFT THIS EMBARGO. THIS EMBARGO WAS PLACED ON THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF YUGOSLAVIA, NOT ON THE NATION OF BOSNIA. BOSNIA HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE UNITED NATIONS, HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE UNITED STATES. MAYBE THAT WAS A MISTAKE. BUT THAT WAS IN 1991. SURELY THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. AS A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY. MADAM PRESIDENT, FURTHER VACILLATIONS FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION, WHICH HAS SAID IN THE PAST THAT THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF LIFTING THE EMBARGO BUT HAS BEEN SO INEFFECTIVE IN GETTING OTHER COUNTRIES TO JOIN US IS VERY REGRETTABLE. WE NEED STRONG LEADERSHIP IN THE UNITED STATES AND WE HAVEN' T SEEN IT. SO IT' S WITH SOME REGRET, I SAY SAY, THAT WE ARE REALLY REFUTING THE PRESIDENT' S POLICY. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE REFUTED. I THINK WE' VE GOT SERIOUS MISTAKES THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA, AND AS A RESULT YOU SEE A REAL DECLINE OF U. S. LEADERSHIP, U. S. PRESTIGE, U. S. INFLUENCE. NOT ONLY IN EUROPE BUT I' M AFRAID THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. AND OUR ABILITY IN THE UNITED NATIONS. THINK OF WHERE WE WERE UNDER BOTH THE REAGAN AND THE BUSH ADMINISTRATIONS WHEN WE HAD A GREAT DEAL OF INFLUENCE IN THE UNITED NATIONS, WHERE WE WERE LEADERS, WHERE WE WERE " THE" LEADER. AND NOW TO SEE THAT WE DON' T HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO CONVINCE OUR ALLIES TO LIFT THE EMBARGO I THINK SHOWS A REAL IMPOTENCE BY THE UNITED STATES, A REAL LOSS OF PRESTIGE AND INFLUENCE ON OUR ALLIES. I REGRET THAT. I DON' T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. I DON' T CARE WHO' S PRESIDENT. THIS IS A SERIOUS VOTE. ONE OF THE MORE SERIOUS VOTES THAT WE' VE HAD IN THIS BODY. AND IT' S ONE THAT I DON' T RELISH HAVING CONGRESSIONAL DICK TAISHUN OF FOREIGN POLICY POLICY. MANY TIMES THAT CAN BE A MISTAKE. BUT, MADAM PRESIDENT, THIS ADMINISTRATION' S FOREIGN POLICY HAS BEEN A DISASTER. AND IT' S BEEN A REAL DISASTER FOR THE PEOPLE OF BOSNIA. WE NEED TO CHANGE COURSE. AND I THINK LIFTING THE ARMS EMBARGO IS THE FIRST STEP. AND, AGAIN, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE SENATOR DOLE AND SENATOR LIEBERMAN AND OTHERS WHO HAVE HAD THE PERSISTENCE TO BRING THIS FORWARD, PARTICULARLY SENATOR DOLE, BECAUSE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN MY COMMENTS, I WENT TO THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA WITH HIM. AND I SAW HIS PERSISTENCE IN TRYING TO STAND UP FOR WHAT HE FELT WAS RIGHT IN HELPING THE PEOPLE WHO WERE REALLY OPPRESSED, AT THAT TIME, THE PEOPLE IN KOSOVO. AND I COMPLIMENT HIM FOR THAT TENACITY AND LOOKING BACK SINCE WE' VE BEEN INVOLVED IN AMENDMENTS ON THE FLOOR SINCE 1990. THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE ALLUDED. THIS IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT. I HOPE AND URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION. I YIELD THE FLOOR. A SENATOR: MADAM PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT IS RECOGNIZED.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT IS RECOGNIZED.

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    MR. DODD

    PRESIDENT, I THANK THE CHAIR. AND, MADAM PRESIDENT, LET ME SAY AT THE…

    PRESIDENT, I THANK THE CHAIR. AND, MADAM PRESIDENT, LET ME SAY AT THE OUTSET THAT THIS IS A MOST DIFFICULT ISSUE. I HAVE HEARD MY COLLEAGUES OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF DAYS TALK ABOUT BOSNIA AND EXPRESS, I THINK, DURING THEIR REMARKS THE SAME DEGREE OF ANGUISH. THIS IS A POLICY WHICH BEGAN TO EVOLVE PRIOR TO THE ARRIVAL OF THIS ADMINISTRATION. IT WAS A SERIOUS AND DIFFICULT QUESTION UNDER THE ADMINISTRATIONS OF PRESIDENT BUSH. AND THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS OBVIOUSLY WRESTLED WITH THEM AS WELL. AND I THINK THE FACT THAT MY COLLEAGUES BY AND LARGE DURING THE EXPRESSION OF THEIR REMARKS HAVE ALSO EXPRESSED THEIR RECOGNIZABLE DEGREE OF UNCERTAINTY OVER WHICH IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION TO FOLLOW. AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, LET ME STATE, MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT -- THE OBVIOUS TO ALL OF US HERE AND THAT IS UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION, OF COURSE, THE UNITED STATES SENATE PLAYS A UNIQUE AND IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE CONDUCT OF FOREIGN POLICY. IN EXERCISING OUR RESPONSIBILITIES, MADAM PRESIDENT, WE BEAR AN INDIVIDUAL AND COLLECTIVE OBLIGATION TO DO THAT WHICH IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR COUNTRY. WE ARE SENATORS OF THE UNITED STATES AND NO OTHER NATION. THIS IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT PRIORITY. THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, BUT THEY MUST ALWAYS BE SECONDARY -- ALWAYS SECONDARY, MADAM PRESIDENT -- TO THE INTERESTS OF OUR COUNTRY, THE UNITED STATES. IT IS NOT UNCOMMON, OBVIOUSLY, FOR MEMBERS OF THIS BODY TO ARRIVE AT ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CONCLUSIONS REGARDING WHAT THOSE BEST INTERESTS MAY BE. THAT IS OBVIOUSLY THE CASE WITH THE CONFLICT IN BOSNIA. MADAM PRESIDENT, I RESPECT DEEPLY MY COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE CONCLUDED THAT THE UNITED NATIONS SHOULD LEAVE BOSNIA AND THE ARMS EMBARGO BE LIFTED, THUS GIVING THE BELEAGUERED PEOPLE OF BOSNIA THE CHANCE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. I HAVE NOTHING BUT THE HIGHEST RESPECT FOR THEM AND THE CONCLUSIONS THAT THEY HAVE DRAWN. IF, HOWEVER, THE ONLY CONSIDERATION WERE WHETHER THE VICTIMS, THE BOSNIAN MUSLIMS, SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIGHT BACK, THEN I BELIEVE THE CONCLUSION THAT WE WOULD REACH WOULD BE A SIMPLE ONE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE IMPLICATIONS OF REMOVING U. N. FORCES AND LIFTING THE EMBARGO COULD -- COULD -- PRODUCE, MADAM PRESIDENT, PROFOUND EFFECTS ON THE UNITED STATES, ON NATO, OUR MOST IMPORTANT STRATEGIC ALLIANCE, ON OTHER SIGNIFICANT ALLIES, ON THE NATIONS AND PEOPLES NEIGHBORING BOSNIA, AND ON THE INNOCENT PEOPLE OF BOSNIA THEMSELVES, WHO HAVE ALREADY SUFFERED SO MUCH. JUST AS THE ORIGINAL DECISION, DECISION, NO MATTER HOW LAMENTABLE IN HINDSIGHT TO IMPOSE THE EMBARGO AND INTRODUCE U. N. FORCES TRIGGERED CERTAIN EVENTS, THE TRAGIC RESULTS OF WHICH WE ARE WITNESSING TODAY, SO, TOO, COULD THE DECISION TO LIFT AND LEAVE CREATE UNWELCOME RESULTS TOMORROW. NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE MAY WISH TO UNDO THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST THREE YEARS, LET US NOT COMPOUND THOSE MISTAKES BY PLUNGING INTO GREATER ONES TODAY. THE STAKES, MADAM PRESIDENT, ARE FAR TOO HIGH, AND IN MY VIEW, THE PRICE FAR TOO DEAR. THE OBVIOUS GUILT THAT SOME PEOPLE OVER THE BLOOD- STAINED LAND OF BOSNIA SHOULD NOT BE, IN MY VIEW, EQUATED WITH THE PARALYSIS THAT AFFECTED WESTERN POLITICAL LEADERS IN THE 1930' S. REMEMBER, MADAM PRESIDENT, SIX DAYS AGO -- SIX DECADES AGO, THE WORLD LITERALLY SAT IDLY BY AND WATCHED THE CRUEL ADVANCE OF FASCISM. WHATEVER ELSE MAY HAVE BEEN DONE WRONG IN BOSNIA, WE HAVE NOT BEEN MERE OBSERVERS TO SERBIAN GENOCIDE. SIGNIFICANT MILITARY, DIPLOMAT, AND POLITICAL EFFORTS HAVE BEEN TRIED TO END THE HORROR OF BOSNIA. IT IS TOTALLY WRONG AND PROFOUNDLY DANGEROUS, IN MY VIEW, TO OUR FUTURE INTERESTS TO IMPLY THAT WESTERN LEADERS HAVE ONCE AGAIN BEEN MERE SPECTATORS TO NAKED AGGRESSION. IT IS A LEGITIMATE CRITICISM, HOWEVER, TO SUGGEST THAT MORE THOUGHT, FAR MORE THOUGHT, SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO THOSE EARLIER DECISIONS AND THE LIKELY SERBIAN REACTION TO THEM. BUT, MADAM PRESIDENT, OUR FAILURE TO HAVE BEEN THOUGHTFUL ONCE ON BOSNIA IN MY VIEW IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR MAKING THE SAME MISTAKES AGAIN. AS WE VIE WITH ONE ANOTHER TO FIND NEW AND MORE DRAMATIC LANGUAGE TO EXPRESS OUR MORAL OUTRAGE OVER SERBIAN AGGRESSION, WE HAVE NOT EVEN BEGUN TO EXHAUST OUR VOCABULARY. IN MY VIEW, THE WORST IS YET TO COME. FOR ALL THAT WILL BE LEFT IN THE PITIFUL LAND CALLED BOSNIA, OUR TWO HIGHLY- ARMED FORCES -- ARE TWO HIGHLY- ARMED FORCES, LOCKED IN A DEATH STRUGGLE WITH NO REGARD FOR ANYONE WHO HAPPENS TO BE IN THEIR WAY, INCLUDING,~ I THEIR OWN PEOPLE. I KNOW THAT MY COLLEAGUES ARE HORRIFIED OR THE SICKENING ATROCITIES. I KNOW, MADAM PRESIDENT, MY COLLEAGUES ARE FRUSTRATED WITH THE PATHETIC FAILURE OF THE STATUS QUO POLICY. AND, I KNOW MY COLLEAGUES WANT TO MOVE ONTO OTHER ISSUES THAT WE MUST TRY TO RESOLVE. MY CONCERN, MADAM PRESIDENT, IS THAT WE ARE ABOUT TO ACT OUT OF PASSION AT WHAT WE ARE WITNESSING IN BOSNIA RATHER THAN ACTING, AFTER CAREFUL ANALYSIS, OF WHAT MAY BE THE UNINTENDED RESULTS OF OUR LEGISLATIVE ACTION. MADAM PRESIDENT, I POSE THE FOLLOWING SIX QUESTIONS FOR MY COLLEAGUES TO CONSIDER BEFORE CASTING THEIR VOTE ON THIS VITALLY IMPORTANT RESOLUTION: NUMBER ONE, ARE WE PREPARED TO COMMIT 20, 000 TO 25, 000 U. S. GROUND FORCES TO THE BOSNIAN BATTLEFIELD, WITH THE FULL KNOWLEDGE -- THE FULL KNOWLEDGE -- THAT THERE ARE THOSE WHO WILL SEEK TO INVOLVE US IN THEIR CAUSE? NUMBER TWO, ARE WE PREPARED TO WITNESS THE COLLAPSE OF MULTILATERAL EMBARGOES WE HAVE ENGINEERED AGAINST IRAQ, LIBYA AND IRAN, NOT TO MENTION THE ADDED DIFFICULTY WE WILL HAVE IN LEADING AND FASHIONING SUCH FUTURE EFFORTS? NUMBER THREE, ARE WE PREPARED TO ACCEPT A DEEP AND LASTING FISSION IN THE MOST VITAL AND STRATEGIC ALLIANCE OUR NATION HAS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD AT THE VERY HOUR -- AT THE VERY HOUR THAT ALLIANCE FACES UNCERTAINTY FROM RUSSIA AND THE NEW, INDEPENDENT STATES WHICH ARE STAGGERING UNDER THE CRIP PELG ECONOMIC, POLITICAL, SOCIAL AND MILITARY BURDENS? NUMBER FOUR, ARE WE PREPARED TO ACCEPT THE LIKELY BROAD- BASED POLITICAL HOSTILITY FROM THE PEOPLE OF OUR TWO OLDEST AND MOST DEPENDABLE ALLIES IN THE WORLD? AND, NUMBER FIVE, DO WE ACCEPT THE CLEAR RESPONSIBILITY OF OUR COUNTRY, IF THE LIFT- AND- LEAVE PROPOSALS IN THIS RESOLUTION OCCUR AND THE CANCEROUS CONFLICT OF BOSNIA SPREADS TO THE OTHER BALKAN STATES? SIX, AND LASTLY, MADAM PRESIDENT, WHAT ARE WE PREPARED TO PROPOSE IF THE WAR IN BOSNIA ESCALATES, AND TODAY' S MIND- WRENCHING SCENES OF BODIES PALE BY COMPARISON WITH THOUSANDS MORE INNOCENT BOSNIANS RAPED, MURDERED, CLEANSED AND LEFT DESTITUTE? MADAM PRESIDENT, I DO NOT ARGUE THAT ANY OR ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS CAN BE ANSWERED WITH CERTAINTY IF THIS RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED. BUT NOR, MADAM PRESIDENT, CAN THOSE WHO PROPOSE THIS RESOLUTION ARGUE THAT THESE RESULTS WILL NEVER OCCUR. THE ISSUE THEN MUST BE WHICH COURSE POSES THE GREATER RISK WHEN THE POSSIBLE RESULTS ARE WEIGHED AGAINST EACH OTHER. THE ANSWER, I BELIEVE, IS CLEAR. GNASHING OUR TEETH OVER THE CURRENT MESS IN BOSNIA DOES NOT JUSTIFY PLACING OTHER VITAL INTERESTS OF OUR COUNTRY AT RISK. NOT TO MENTION THE RISK TO THE VERY PEOPLE THAT THIS RESOLUTION SEEKS TO DELIVER FROM HARM' S WAY. HAVING CONCLUDED THAT THIS RESOLUTION SHOULD BE REJECTED, MADAM PRESIDENT, LET ME QUICKLY ADD THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE A CONTINUATION OF THE STATUS QUO IS ANY MORE ACCEPTABLE FOR MANY OF THE SAME REASONS. THE U. N. FORCES MUST BE PERMITTED, IN MY VIEW, TO FIGHT BACK AND FIGHT BACK AGGRESSIVELY ON THE GROUND IN THE FACE OF SERBIAN OFFENSEIVES. THE ROLE OF THESE FORCES AS NOTHING MORE THAN ARMED CROSSING GUARDS IS UNTENABLE. THESE TROOPS ARE SOME OF THE BEST TRAINED TROOPS IN THE WORLD. THESE TROOPS HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO DO ONE THING, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE OUGHT TO ALLOW THEM TO DO IT. AND THAT IS FIGHT. NATO' S AIRSTRIKES ARE ALSO CRITICAL, IN MY VIEW. ALONE, THEY WILL NOT COMPLETE THE JOB. BUT IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN AGGRESSIVE EFFORT ON THE GROUND, THESE TARGETED AIRSTRIKES ON ESSENTIAL SERBIAN MILITARY TARGETS COULD, I THINK, BE DECISIVE. MADAM PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH, TO HIS EVERLASTING CREDIT, SHOWED THE WORLD HOW FUTURE CONFLICTS OF THIS KIND SHOULD BE ADDRESSED, NAMELY, BY BUILDING INTERNATIONAL ALLIANCES IN COOPERATION. NO EASY TASK, INDEED. PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH DEMONSTRATED, IN MY VIEW, HOW EFFECTIVE THE CIVILIZED WORLD CAN BE IN HANDLING THESE INTERNATIONAL THUGS AND SIMULTANEOUSLY PROTECTING OUR OWN VITAL INTERESTS. THIS IS NOT TO SAY, MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT EVERY SITUATION THAT THREATENS U. S. INTERESTS MUST ONLY BE ADDRESSED THROUGH INTERNATIONAL MEASURES. THAT WOULD BE FOOLISH. BUT WHERE INTERNATIONAL BURDEN- SHARING CAN BE ACHIEVED, IT SHOULD BE SOUGHT. WHAT A GREAT TRAGEDY IT WOULD BE IF IN THE VERY FIRST REAL TEST OF THE BUSH DOCTRINE IT WAS THE UNITED STATES, LED BY PRESIDENT BUSH' S OWN PARTY, THAT WALKED AWAY AND LEFT OUR ALLIES ON THEIR OWN. CAN, MADAM PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES, THE ONLY SUPERPOWER ON EARTH, ACCEPT THE BURDEN AND MANTLE OF LEADERSHIP THE WORLD ANTICIPATES FROM US? THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION DOES NOT RESIDE ALONE ON 1600 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE. MADAM PRESIDENT, IT RESIDES IN THIS CHAMBER, ON THIS DAY. IT RESIDES WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US WHO BEAR THE OBLIGATION BESTOWED BY OUR CONSTITUTION AND CONSTITUENTS AS UNITED STATES SENATORS. THAT OBLIGATION, MR. PRESIDENT, SOMETIMES MEANS CASTING A VOTE THAT IS POLITICALLY DIFFICULT BUT NECESSARY TO PROTECT U. S. NATIONAL INTERESTS. THIS IS CLEARLY, IN MY VIEW, ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS. AND I URGE THE REJECTION OF THE PROPOSAL. MADAM PRESIDENT --

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  • 10:06:09 AM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA.

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    MR. WARNER

    I PRESUME THAT' S A QUESTION.

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    MR. DODD

    I PRESUME THAT' S A QUESTION.

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    MR. WARNER

    YES.

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    MR. DODD

    I' LL TRY TO RESPOND. FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR MY…

    I' LL TRY TO RESPOND. FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR MY COLLEAGUE FROM VIRGINIA' S KNOWLEDGE IN MATTERS AFFECTING NATO AND MILITARY AFFAIRS. I MERELY POINT OUT, AS I SAID, I THINK THE STATUS QUO IS UNACCEPTABLE AND THAT, IN MY VIEW, A BETTER ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO GIVE THESE FORCES, WHO ARE WELL- TRAINED, SOME OF THE BEST TRAINED IN THE WORLD, THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. LAST EVENING OUR COLLEAGUE FROM NEBRASKA, SENATOR KERREY, SPOKE WITH ELOQUENCE, I BELIEVE, IN DESCRIBING A SERIES OF EVENTS WHERE NATO FORCES, OFFICERS, WITH FAR FEWER NUMBERS THAN THEIR SERBIAN AGGRESSORS, HANDLED THE SITUATION MILITARILY IN SEVERAL INSTANCEENS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN WIDELY REPORTED BUT SHOULD BE KNOWN BY PEOPLE BECAUSE THE ASSUMPTION THAT IS DEVELOPING IS THAT THE SOLDIERS WHO ARE THERE ARE COWARDS, UNWILLING TO FIGHT. IN FACT, WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN PLACED IN THOSE SITUATIONS THEY HAVE DONE A REMARKABLY FINE JOB. WHETHER OR NOT THE BALANCE OR THE EQUATION OF FORCES IS SUCH THAT THESE TROOPS COULD PRESENTLY HANDLE THE EXTENSIVE AGGRESSION BY THE SERBIANS IS A LEGITIMATE QUESTION. BUT, I THINK IT BEGS THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO TRY AND BEEF UP THAT FORCE AND LET THEM DO THE JOB. AND I HAPPEN TO BELIEVE, HAVING READ THE U. N. RESOLUTIONS, THAT THERE' S ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY IN THAT LANGUAGE THAT THESE FORCES COULD BE FAR MORE AGGRESSIVE WITHOUT GOING BACK TO THE SECURITY COUNCIL AND SEEKING BROADER AUTHORITY FOR THEM TO ACT. SO, IF THE ISSUE IS MERELY GETTING MORE TROOPS IN TO DO THE JOB, THEN IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WOULD BE A BETTER COURSE OF ACTION TO FOLLOW, I SAY TO MY COLLEAGUE, THAN THE ISSUE OF LEADING TO THE BOSNIANS THE UNILATERAL DECISION TO ASK THESE TROOPS TO LEAD, LIFTING THAT EMBARGO ON WEAPONS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME THAT THERE WILL NOT BE EVEN BROADER AND WIDER SPREAD AGGRESSION THAN WE' RE PRESENTLY SEEING TODAY.

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  • 10:09:44 AM

    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, MY DISTINGUISHED COLLEAGUE FROM CONNECTICUT REFERS TO THE…

    MR. PRESIDENT, MY DISTINGUISHED COLLEAGUE FROM CONNECTICUT REFERS TO THE U. N. RESOLUTIONS WHICH HE AND, INDEED, A VERY EXPERIENCED AND KNOWLEDGEABLE MEMBER OF THIS SENATE AS IT RELATES TO THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHER MATTERS, YOU YOU THINK THEY LEND THEMSELVES TO INTERPRETATION. MR. PRESIDENT, I SAY WHY WEREN' T THEY WRITTEN CLEARLY IN THE FIRST INSTANCE? THAT' S ONE OF THE MAJOR PROBLEMS WE HAVE HERE, IS THE LACK OF CLARITY. THE LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHO H HAS THE AUTHORITY TO USE FORCE. THE HEADLINES IN TODAY' S PAPERS START OUT WITH, " NATO GIVES U. N. OFFICIALS VETO ON AIRSTRIKES IN BOSNIA." IS THAT THE TYPE OF CHAIN OF COMMAND THAT THE SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT IS SUGGESTING CAN RESOLVE THIS CORN FLICT?

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  • 10:10:34 AM

    MR. DODD

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    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, LET ME SPEAK FOR MY SEFMT I HAVE NOT COME TO A QUICK AND…

    MR. PRESIDENT, LET ME SPEAK FOR MY SEFMT I HAVE NOT COME TO A QUICK AND SNAPPY DECISION OFTEN THIS -- ON THIS. FOR TWO YEARS, PLUS, I OPPOSED THE DISTINGUISHED MAJORITY LEADER. AND MY GOOD FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE FROM CONNECTICUT STEADFASTLY, AND HAVE TAKEN MANY OF THE POSITIONS THAT THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT HAS TAKEN.

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  • 10:14:09 AM

    MR. DODD

    NO, I RESPECT THAT.

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    MR. WARNER

    BUT, I HAVE CHANGED MY VIEW BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN NO LONGER, AS A BODY OF…

    BUT, I HAVE CHANGED MY VIEW BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN NO LONGER, AS A BODY OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE, SIT BY IDLY. WE HAVE TO TAKE THE INITIATIVE. AND THE DRAFTERS OF THE RESOLUTION PRESENTLY BEFORE US HAS BEEN RADICALLY CHANGED, MR. PRESIDENT, FROM THE EARLIER POSITIONS THEY HAVE TAKEN, TO WHERE NOW THEY RECOGNIZE THERE' S A CERTAIN SET OF TRIGGERING MEKNISM THAT SHOULD BRING ABOUT THE ACTION SOUGHT HERE, NAMELY, THE VERY BASIC RIGHT OF PEOPLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES WITH SUCH ARMS AS THEY MAY REQUIRE. HERE IS TODAY' S DISPATCHES. THOUSANDS OF TERRIFIED BOSNIAN REFUGEES POURED OUT OF THE CAPTURED ENCLAVE OF ZEPA TODAY. A SAFE HAFEN WHICH WE BASICALLY DEMILL AT THAT RISED, TOOK AWAY THE ARMS, THINKING THAT FOR SOME REASON THAT BOSNIAN SERBS WOULD HONOR THE UNITED NATIONS' S DECLARATION THAT THIS WAS A SAFE HAVEN. THESE PEOPLE RELIED -- RELIED, MR. PRESIDENT, ON WHAT HAD BEEN REPRESENTED TO THEM BY THE UNITED NATIONS. DESPITE THE EFFORTS TO TRY AND GET CLARITY OF CHAIN AND COMMAND IN CONTROL, HERE' S TODAY' S " NEW YORK TIMES," IF I MAY JUST READ A PARAGRAPH. " FOUR DAYS AFTER THE UNITED STATES, BRITAIN AND FRANCE THREATENED BOSNIAN SERBS WITH THE HEAVIEST AIRSTRIKES YET IF THEY ATTACK THE MUSLIM ENCLAVE OF GORAZDE, NATO OFFICIALS SAID THEY HAD AGREED THAT NO LARGE- SCALE BOMBING WOULD START UNLESS UNITED NATIONS CIVILIAN OFFICIALS GAVE THE GO HE AN HEAD." CLEARLY AGAIN THE DUAL- KEY. WAY JUST TO CONTINUE TO GO ALONG INDECISIVELY AS A PARTNER TO THIS DECISION MAKING BETWEEN THE UNITED NATIONS AND NATO. IT IS TIME, MR. PRESIDENT. IT IS TIME SOMEBODY POLL TICKING IN THIS WORLD STOOD UP AND SAID THIS IS THE COURSE OF ACTION WE COULD TAKE. AND THAT OPTION IS NOW BEFORE THE UNITED STATES SENATE THIS VERY MORNING. IN A MATTER OF THREE HOURS WE WILL CAST A VOTE, WHICH I HOPE WILL BE HEARD AROUND THE WORLD AS THIS IS THE POLICY THAT SHOULD BE FOLLOWED HENCEFORTH. AND I COMMEND THE DISTINGUISHED MAJORITY LEADER AND THE SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT, THE JUNIOR SENATOR, FOR TAKING THIS ACTION. MR. PRESIDENT, I THANK MY GOOD FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE, THE SENIOR SENATOR. WE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER. WE HAVE TRAVELED TOGETHER ON MANY ISSUES RELATING TO FOREIGN AFFAIRS. AND WHILE I REGRET HE CANNOT AT THIS POINT IN TIME JOIN, I HOPE THAT IN THE FUTURE THERE WILL BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES WHETHER HE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ONCE AGAIN. I YIELD THE FLOOR. A SENATOR: MR. PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT. MR. LIEBERMAN:

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  • 10:16:53 AM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT. MR. LIEBERMAN: MR.…

    PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT. MR. LIEBERMAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST WANT TO PICK UP ON SOME COMMENTS MADE IN REGARD TO THE STORY IN " THE TIMES" TODAY BY MY FRIEND FROM VIRGINIA AND TO TALK MORE BROADLY FOR A MOMENT ABOUT SOME OF THE UNDERSTANDABLE AND, OBVIOUSLY, VERY SINCERE STATEMENTS THAT MY SENIOR COLLEAGUE FROM CONNECTICUT MADE ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF OUR ACTIONS TODAY ON OUR NATO ALLIES.

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  • 10:16:55 AM

    MR. LIEBERMAN

    I CERTAINLY WOULD.

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    MR. LIEBERMAN

    I CERTAINLY WOULD.

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    MR. WARNER

    IF THE SENATOR WOULD LOOK ON IN THAT ARTICLE, THIS IS THE PARAGRAPH THAT…

    IF THE SENATOR WOULD LOOK ON IN THAT ARTICLE, THIS IS THE PARAGRAPH THAT DISTURBS ME GREATLY. IT SAID AS FOLLOWS: " THE MAIN PRESSURE TO PRESERVE A DECISION- MAKING VOTE FOR MR. BOUTROS- GHALI CAME FROM BRITAIN AND FRANCE, WITH NEARLY 15, 000 SOLDIERS ON THE GROUND IN BOSNIA, WHO COULD SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF BOMBING AND SERB REACTIONS TO IT, SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL, THE COUNTRY IS PRESSED IN AN EFFORT -- IN EFFECT, FOR A SERIES OF POLITICAL FIRE WALLS AGAINST PRECIPITATED AMERICAN ACTION FROM THE AIR." THEN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH. " IN PARTICULAR, FRENCH OFFICIALS DENY --" I REPEAT -- " DENY THAT THEY EVER AGREED LAST FRIDAY IN LONDON TO LAUNCH AUTOMATICALLY WHAT THE AMERICAN SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, WILLIAM PERRY, CALLED A ' DISPROPORTIONATE RESPONSE' TO AN ATTACK ON GORAZDE." THE UNITED STATES SENATE WAS HIGHLY INFLUENCED BY THE COMMENTS OF THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE. I THINK HE' S A VERY FINE AND ABLE INDIVIDUAL. I DON' T KNOW WHAT THE BACKGROUND IS TO THIS. HE, ALONG WITH THE SECRETARY OF STATE, WERE PRESENT YESTERDAY IN THE HALLS OF THE SENATE. I MET WITH BOTH BRIEFLY. BUT I FIND IT VERY DISCONCERTING WHEN OUR ALLIES UNDERCUT WHAT SECRETARY PERRY THOUGHT WAS A DECISION REACHED LAST WEEK, AND HE PERSONALLY WAS PRESENT AT THAT TIME. SO, I THINK THAT, AGAIN, WE COME BACK. WHO IS GOING TO MAKE A DECISION IN THIS FRIGHTFUL SITUATION? AND I SAY THE RESPONSIBILITY COMES DOWN ON THIS BODY POLL PARTICULAR AS THE SOLE ONE IN THE WORLD WILLING TO STOP UP AT THIS TIME AND SPEAK DECISIVELY ON THIS ISSUE.

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  • 10:30:32 AM

    MR. LIEBERMAN

    MR. PRESIDENT, THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YESTERDAY I…

    MR. PRESIDENT, THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YESTERDAY I WAS IN A MEETING OF DEMOCRATIC SENATORS WITH SECRETARY PERRY, SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER. I HAVE THE HIGHEST REGARD FOR BOTH OF THEM. IT IS CLEAR TO ME, AND SADLY SO, I KNOW THEY ARE ACTING WITH THE BEST OF INTENTIONS AND SINCERITY HERE. BUT IT IS SO CLEAR THAT THE POLICY THEY TOOK AND FOUGHT SO HARD FOR LAST WEEK IN LONDON, AND IT APPEARED AND THEY THOUGHT WAS ADOPTED, WAS CLEARLY NOT WHAT THE BRITISH AND FRENCH WERE WILLING TO ACCEPT. AND THE PARAGRAPH THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA READ IS EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING, WHICH IS TO SAY THAT OUR ALLIES, PRESUMABLY HAVING ACCEPTED A POLICY IN LONDON ON FRIDAY, THEN AT THE NATO MINISTERS MEETING IN BRUSSELS YESTERDAY, HAVE UNDERCUT IT AND SET UP MR. BOUTROS- GHALI AS THEIR INSTRUMENT TO FRUSTRATE THAT. AND I MUST SAY THAT I DON' T UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE TROOPS ON THE GROUND. AND THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE MOST VULNERABLE IF THE NATO ALLIES ARE NOT ABLE TO STRIKE BACK AGAINST SERBIAN AGGRESSION. WHEN WILL THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THE SERBS WILL TAKE THE -- WHO IS SMILING, WHO' S LAUGHING MOST AT THIS STORY FROM BRUSSELS? THE SERBS ARE. THE SIGNALS ARE CLEAR. DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH THE THREE OF THE FOUR REMAINING AREAS, SAFE AREAS, LUDICROUSLY TITLED TODAY. AND AS FOR GORAZDE, DON' T WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT ATTACKING THAT EITHER EVENTUALLY, BECAUSE THE WEST DOESN' T HAVE ITS ACT TOGETHER. THAT WAS JUST A TOOTHLESS TIGER ROARING, OR GROWLING, AS THE ARTICLE IN THE " TIMES" TODAY SAID FROM LONDON. I WANT TO MAKE TWO POINTS ABOUT THIS. THE FIRST IS TO MY COLLEAGUES WHO ARE GOING TO VOTE IN A FEW HOURS, AND IT' S AN IMPORTANT VOTE. PLEASE, READ THIS ARTICLE, AND THEN I SIMPLY DON' T KNOW HOW ANY COLLEAGUE IN GOOD CONSCIENCE COULD SAY THAT THE POLICY EMANATING FROM THE LONDON COMMUNIQUE IS A REASON NOT TO VOTE TO LIFT THE ARMS EMBARGO. THAT THIS SENSE THAT SOMEHOW THE CAVALRY WAS COMING AND THEREFORE THE VICTIMS DON' T NEED TO DEFEND THEMSELVES IS NOT SO. IT' S SIMPLY NOT SO. AND THAT' S NOT A REASON TO SUSTAIN THIS ILLEGAL, IMMORAL ARMS EMBARGO. BUT THE SECOND POINT IS, AND LET' S ACKNOWLEDGE IT, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE OF OPINION; THAT IS, THE MAJORITY, BIPARTISAN MAJORITY HERE IN THE SENATE, BIPARTISAN MAJORITY? THE OTHER BODY WITH OUR ALLIES IN BRITAIN AND FRANCE. LET US ACKNOWLEDGE IT. WE ACKNOWLEDGE IT. I DON' T UNDERSTAND HOW OUR WESTERN EUROPEAN ALLIES, HAVING GONE THROUGH TWO WORLD WARS IN EUROPE THIS CENTURY, BECAUSE AGGRESSION WAS NOT STOPPED EARLY CAN STAND BY AND NOT SEE THAT THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN STOPPING AGGRESSION HERE BEFORE IT GOES ON TO KOSOVO AND THEN TO MACEDONIA, WHICH WILL BRING IN GREECE AND TURKEY AND BULGARIA AND ALBANIA AND, UNDER THE WORST OF ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, WILL CREATE TRULY ANOTHER TRAGIC, WIDER WAR IN THE BALKANS. BUT THEY HAVE APPARENTLY REACHED THAT CONCLUSION. LET US ACKNOWLEDGE HERE WHAT WE ARE SAYING. WE DISAGREE WITH OUR ALLIES. AND LET US ACKNOWLEDGE ALSO THAT THAT DISAGREEMENT PUTS IN DOUBT, SADLY, UNSETTLINGLY, THE VIABILITY OF THIS GREAT ALLIANCE. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO DISAGREE WITHIN THE FAMILY AND STILL REMAIN STRONG. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY, WHICH LOOKING BACK IN HINDSIGHT I WISH THAT BOTH THE BUSH AND CLINTON ADMINISTRATIONS HAD FIGURED OUT, TO LEAD OUR NATO ALLIES TO A STRONGER POLICY, THE POLICY OF LIFTING THE EMBARGO AND STRIKING FROM THE AIR. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT IF WE HAD IMPLEMENTED THAT POLICY IN 1992, THE WAR WOULD BE OVER TODAY. A SETTLEMENT WOULD HAVE BEEN REACHED BECAUSE THE SERBS FINALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A REASON TO STOP THEIR AGGRESSION.

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  • 10:34:38 AM

    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, WOULD THE SENATOR FOREBEAR FOR A MOMENT?

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    MR. LIEBERMAN

    I CERTAINLY WILL.

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    MR. WARNER

    HAVE BUT A FEW MOMENTS LEFT. YOU RAISED A VERY CLEAR POINT. IN TODAY' S "…

    HAVE BUT A FEW MOMENTS LEFT. YOU RAISED A VERY CLEAR POINT. IN TODAY' S " NEW YORK TIMES" -- AND I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT I MIGHT INCLUDE IT IN THE RECORD CERTAIN BACKUP DOCUMENTS TO THIS IMPORTANT COLLOQUY.

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  • 10:34:59 AM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION. IT CLEARLY SAYS THAT " NATO OFFICIALS SAID…

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION. IT CLEARLY SAYS THAT " NATO OFFICIALS SAID EARLY THIS MORNING THAT THEY HAD AGREED THAT NO LARGE- SCALE BOMBING COULD START UNLESS UNITED NATIONS CIVILIAN OFFICIALS GAVE THE GO- AHEAD." EMPHASIZE " CIVILIAN OFFICIALS." NOW I READ FROM A PRESS CONFERENCE LAST FRIDAY, JULY 22 22, SECRETARY OF STATE CHRISTOPHER, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE PERRY, CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF GENERAL SHALIKASHVILI, REFERRING TO THE LAST PAGE: QUESTION, I' D LIKE TO ASK ABOUT THE DUAL KEY. SECRETARY RIFKIN WAS SAYING THAT HE COULD NOT CONCEIVE OF A SITUATION WHICH GENERAL RUPE EITHER SMITH" -- THAT' S THE ON- SCENE COMMANDER FOR THE UNPROFOR AND UNITED NATIONS TROOPS -- " DIDN' T HAVE A FINAL DECISION ON WHETHER AIRSTRIKES WOULD BE LAUNCHED. CAN YOU TELL US HOW FAR UP THE U. N. CHAIN OF COMMAND APPROVAL WOULD HAVE TO COME AND WHO TALKS TO WHOM IN ORDER TO APPROVE THE AIRSTRIKES?" GENERAL SHALIKASHVILI REPLIED, " THE PROCEDURES WE DID DISCUSS, AS SECRETARY PERRY SAID, ARE A VERY QUALITATIVE STEP FORWARD AND THEY PARALLEL PROPER AIR- GROUND OPERATION PROCEDURES. IN SUCH PROCEDURES, THE APPROPRIATE GROUND COMMANDER, GENERAL RUPERT SMITH, AND THE AIR COMMANDER MUST CONTINUALLY COORDINATE TO ENSURE THAT AIRSTRIKES ARE CARRIED OUT SAFELY BUT AT THE SAME TIME ALSO VERY PROMPTLY. THESE PROCEDURES THAT WE NOW HAVE REPRESENT THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION, ' HOW FAR UP DOES THIS COORDINATION GO IN THE UNPROFOR CHAIN?' THE UNPROFOR CHAIN THAT IS INVOLVED IN THESE COORDINATIONS STOPS WITH THE MILITARY COMMANDERS." LET ME REPEAT THAT. " THE UNPROFOR CHAIN THAT IS INVOLVED IN THESE COORDINATIONS STOPS WITH THE MILITARY COMMANDERS." TO ME, MR. PRESIDENT, I CLEARLY GET THE IMPRESSION THAT ON- SCENE MILITARY COMMANDER, GENERAL RUPERT SMITH, AND NATO COMMANDER, ADMIRAL SMITH, ARE THE DECISION- MAKERS. THAT IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH WHAT IS REPORTED TODAY. NOW, THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES IS TRYING TO WORK ITS WAY THROUGH THIS COMPLEX ISSUE ISSUE. TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, MANY, INCLUDING THIS SENATOR, WANT TO RELY ON THE REPRESENTATIONS OF THE THREE PRINCIPAL SECURITY OFFICIALS OF THE UNITED STATES STATES: THE SECRETARY SECRETARIES OF STATE, DEFENSE, AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS. BUT THEIR REPRESENTATION TO THE WORLD IN THIS PRESS BRIEF, TO THE UNITED STATES SENATE, ON JULY 22 IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE REPORTS THAT WE RECEIVED TODAY. AND SO I COME BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN. IT IS NOW THE TIME, THE OBLIGATION OF THIS BODY POLITIC TO MAKE A DECISION.

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  • 10:38:00 AM

    MR. LIEBERMAN

    MR. PRESIDENT? MR. PRESIDENT, THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA IS ABSOLUTELY…

    MR. PRESIDENT? MR. PRESIDENT, THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND, AGAIN, I SAY TO MY COLLEAGUES, CITING SCRIPTURE, IF THE SOUND OF THE TRUMPET BE UNCERTAIN, WHO WILL FOLLOW INTO BATTLE? THE SOUND OF THE TRUMPET THAT WAS SOUNDED IN LONDON ON FRIDAY IS EXTREMELY UNCERTAIN. AND THERE IS NO REASON TO USE THAT COMMUNIQUE AS AN EXCUSE FOR NOT VOTING TO LIFT THE ARMS EMBARGO. I THANK THE CHAIR. AND I YIELD THE FLOOR.

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  • 10:38:25 AM

    MR. NUNN

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    MR. NUNN

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    THE CLERK

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    MR. NUNN

    THE SENATOR FROM GEORGIA.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM GEORGIA.

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    MR. NUNN

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    O THERE ARE 45 MINUTES TO EACH SIDE UNDER THE CONTROLLED DEBATE AND…

    O THERE ARE 45 MINUTES TO EACH SIDE UNDER THE CONTROLLED DEBATE AND CIRCUMSTANCE WITH LEADERS ON EACH SIDE CONTROLLING THE DEBATE. AT 1: 30 --

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    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, I THINK IT' S 1: 45. WOULD THE CHAIR CLAR FIGHT TIME? WOULD…

    MR. PRESIDENT, I THINK IT' S 1: 45. WOULD THE CHAIR CLAR FIGHT TIME? WOULD THE CHAIR CLARIFY THE TIME?

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THERE IS CONTROLLED TIME UNTIL 1: 30, FOLLOWED BY THE TWO LEADERS, WHO…

    THERE IS CONTROLLED TIME UNTIL 1: 30, FOLLOWED BY THE TWO LEADERS, WHO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE ISSUE AND USE THEIR LEADER TIME. THE AMENDMENT BY THE SENATOR FROM GEORGIA, MR. NUNN, IS PENDING TO THE SUBSTITUTE OF THE MAJORITY LEADER.

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  • 12:02:03 PM

    MR. WARNER

    THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, THEN FOR PLANNING PURPOSES, SENATORS COULD…

    THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, THEN FOR PLANNING PURPOSES, SENATORS COULD ANTICIPATE A VOTE BETWEEN 1: 45 AND 2: 00? WOULD THAT BE CORRECT?

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  • 12:02:17 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THAT, I BELIEVE, IS THE GENERAL TIME IN WHICH THE NEXT RECORDED VOTE WOULD…

    THAT, I BELIEVE, IS THE GENERAL TIME IN WHICH THE NEXT RECORDED VOTE WOULD OCCUR. MR. WARNER: MR. PRESIDENT, I THANK THE CHAIR AND YIELD THE FLOOR. A SENATOR: MR.

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    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, I THANK THE CHAIR AND YIELD THE FLOOR. A SENATOR: MR.…

    MR. PRESIDENT, I THANK THE CHAIR AND YIELD THE FLOOR. A SENATOR: MR. PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM IDAHO. MR. CRAIG: MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM IDAHO. MR. CRAIG: MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT…

    THE SENATOR FROM IDAHO. MR. CRAIG: MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO PROCEED AS IF IN MORNING BUSINESS FOR NO MORE THAN TEN MINUTES.

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    MR. CRAIG

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    MRS. MURRAY

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WHO YIELDS TIME FOR THAT PURPOSE?

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    MR. CRAIG

    THAT THE TIME NOT BE USED BY EITHER SIDE.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    MRS. MURRAY

    PRESIDENT, RESERVING THE RIGHT TO OBJECT, WOULD THAT TIME THEN BE DIVIDED…

    PRESIDENT, RESERVING THE RIGHT TO OBJECT, WOULD THAT TIME THEN BE DIVIDED FROM BOTH SIDES EQUALLY? MR. CRAIG: I WOULD CHOOSE THAT IT NOT BE DIVIDED FROM EITHER SIDE. THE PRESIDING OFFICER:

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  • 12:02:54 PM

    MR. CRAIG

    I WOULD CHOOSE THAT IT NOT BE DIVIDED FROM EITHER SIDE. THE PRESIDING…

    I WOULD CHOOSE THAT IT NOT BE DIVIDED FROM EITHER SIDE. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: IS THERE OBJECTION TO THE SENATOR' S REQUEST?

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    IS THERE OBJECTION TO THE SENATOR' S REQUEST?

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    MR. CRAIG

    NO OBJECTION, IT COULD BE DIVIDED EQUALLY. MR. WARNER: MR. PRESIDENT,…

    NO OBJECTION, IT COULD BE DIVIDED EQUALLY. MR. WARNER: MR. PRESIDENT, RESERVING THE RIGHT TO OBJECT, I WOULD HAVE TO CONSULT WITH THE DISTINGUISHED MAJORITY LEADER.

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  • 12:03:05 PM

    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, RESERVING THE RIGHT TO OBJECT, I WOULD HAVE TO CONSULT WITH…

    MR. PRESIDENT, RESERVING THE RIGHT TO OBJECT, I WOULD HAVE TO CONSULT WITH THE DISTINGUISHED MAJORITY LEADER. I NOTE THE PRESENCE ON THE FLOOR OF A NUMBER OF SENATORS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE PENDING RESOLUTION. MIGHT WE INQUIRE OF THE SENATOR FROM IDAHO --

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  • 12:03:21 PM

    MR. CRAIG

    THE TIME THE SENATOR WOULD WANT?

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    MR. WARNER

    THE SENATOR WOULD WANT?

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    MR. CRAIG

    NO MORE THAN TEN MINUTES. A SENATOR: MR. PRESIDENT, COULD I INQUIRE OF THE…

    NO MORE THAN TEN MINUTES. A SENATOR: MR. PRESIDENT, COULD I INQUIRE OF THE MANAGER OF THE BILL? I' M SORRY, I JUST WALKED ON THE FLOOR AND DIDN' T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ALLOCATION OF TIME WAS. I KNOW WE' RE GOING TO A VOTE AT 1: 45 APPROXIMATELY. THE TIME IS RESERVED FOR THE LEADERS. I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME ASSURANCE THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THE PENDING QUESTION FOR UP TO TEN MINUTES OR SO. I DON' T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS IN TERMS OF OTHER TIME THAT MIGHT BE ALLOCATED. I JUST OFFER THAT SO THAT THE LEADER HAS SOME OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A JUDGMENT ON THAT. MR. WARNER: FOR THE SENATORS PRESENT, THERE IS NOW AN HOUR AND A HALF TIME EQUALLY DIVIDED BETWEEN THE MAJORITY LEADER AND THE SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT AND THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

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    MR. WARNER

    FOR THE SENATORS PRESENT, THERE IS NOW AN HOUR AND A HALF TIME EQUALLY…

    FOR THE SENATORS PRESENT, THERE IS NOW AN HOUR AND A HALF TIME EQUALLY DIVIDED BETWEEN THE MAJORITY LEADER AND THE SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT AND THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. I SEAT PRESENCE OF TWO OR THREE SENATORS THAT I HAPPEN TO UNDERSTAND WILL BE SPEAKING IN FAVOR, ON BEHALF OF THE MAJORITY LEADER I' M PERFECTLY WILLING TO ALLOCATE SUCH TIME WITHIN THAT 45 MINUTES AS THEY DESIRE. COULD THE SENATOR FROM INDIANA INDICATE HOW MUCH TIME HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE?

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  • 12:04:33 PM

    MR. COATS

    I PREFER MORE, BUT I' D ACCEPT TEN MINUTES OR SO.

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    MR. KYL

    IF I MAY INDICATE TO THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE…

    IF I MAY INDICATE TO THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE FIVE MINUTES RESERVED FOR MY COMMENTS. MR. WARNER: MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE JUST BEEN ADVISED BY THE MAJORITY LEADER' S STAFF THAT L MAJORITY LEADER IS OVERCOMMITTED AT THIS TIME WITH RESPECT TO THE TIME PERIOD OF 45 MINUTES UNDER HIS CONTROL.

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  • 12:04:50 PM

    MR. WARNER

    I HAVE JUST BEEN ADVISED BY THE MAJORITY LEADER' S STAFF THAT L MAJORITY…

    I HAVE JUST BEEN ADVISED BY THE MAJORITY LEADER' S STAFF THAT L MAJORITY LEADER IS OVERCOMMITTED AT THIS TIME WITH RESPECT TO THE TIME PERIOD OF 45 MINUTES UNDER HIS CONTROL. AND, THEREFORE, I REGRET THAT I WOULD HAVE TO INTERPOSE AN OBJECTION TO THE --

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  • 12:05:11 PM

    MR. CRAIG

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE OBJECTION IS HEARD. WHO YIELDS TIME?

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    MR. WARNER

    I YIELD TEN MINUTES TO THE SENATOR FROM INDIANA. THE PRESIDING OFFICER:…

    I YIELD TEN MINUTES TO THE SENATOR FROM INDIANA. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM INDIANA.

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  • 12:05:29 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM INDIANA.

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    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, MIGHT I ASK THE SENATOR FROM INDIANA IF HE COULD LESSEN…

    MR. PRESIDENT, MIGHT I ASK THE SENATOR FROM INDIANA IF HE COULD LESSEN THAT TIME IF AT ALL POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE' RE NOW OVERREQUESTED?

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  • 12:05:39 PM

    MR. COATS

    I WILL DO MY BEST TO DO THAT.

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    MR. WARNER

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    MR. COATS

    WITHOUT OBJECTION.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    MR. WARNER

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA. MR. WARNER: I YIELD TO MYSELF SUCH…

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA. MR. WARNER: I YIELD TO MYSELF SUCH TIME AS I MAY REQUIRE. THE PRESIDING OFFICER:

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  • 12:15:05 PM

    MR. WARNER

    MYSELF SUCH TIME AS I MAY REQUIRE. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM…

    MYSELF SUCH TIME AS I MAY REQUIRE. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA. MR. WARNER: MR. PRESIDENT, I THINK

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  • 12:15:08 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA. MR. WARNER: MR. PRESIDENT, I THINK IT WOULD BE…

    THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA. MR. WARNER: MR. PRESIDENT, I THINK IT WOULD BE IN ORDER IF WE SORT OF RECOGNIZED -- WENT BACK AND FORTH FROM THOSE IN SUPPORT AND THOSE IN OPPOSITION.

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  • 12:15:09 PM

    MR. WARNER

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: IS THERE OBJECTION? WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE SENATOR FROM…

    OFFICER: IS THERE OBJECTION? WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE SENATOR FROM WASHINGTON. MRS. MURRAY: MR. PRESIDENT, I YIELD MYSELF FIVE MINUTES IN OPPOSITION. MR. PRESIDENT,

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  • 12:16:08 PM

    MRS. MURRAY

    MR. PRESIDENT, I YIELD MYSELF FIVE MINUTES IN OPPOSITION. MR. PRESIDENT, I…

    MR. PRESIDENT, I YIELD MYSELF FIVE MINUTES IN OPPOSITION. MR. PRESIDENT, I DO RISE TODAY IN OPPOSITION TO S. 21, WHICH DIRECTS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO UNILATERALLY LIFT THE ARMS EMBARGO ON BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA. LIKE MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES, I TOO WANT TO DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING, TO STOP FURTHER ATROCITIES FROM OCCURRING IN BOSNIA. THE SITUATION GROWS MORE HORRID EVERY DAY. WE HAVE ALL SAID IT IN 100 DIFFERENT WAYS -- THERE ARE NO GOOD OPTIONS TO CHOOSE FROM WHEN TRYING TO DETERMINE HOW BEST TO RESPOND TO THE TRAGEDIES IN BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA. COMPELLING, SOUND AND THOUGHTFUL ARGUMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS DEBATE. IN THE WORDS OF ONE YOUNG DUTCH PEACEKEEPER JUST FREED FROM SREBRENICA, " YOU WISH THE WAR WOULD STOP, BUT IT' S ONLY A WISH. IT WILL BE A MIRACLE IF THIS WAR EVER STOPS." HE HAD COME TO THAT CONCLUSION AFTER WITNESSING FIRSTHAND THE HATRED THAT HAS FUELED THIS CONFLICT FOR GENERATIONS. A HATRED SO DEEP AS TO SEEM ENDLESS, PASSED ON FOR SENT TRIS FROM PARENT TO CHILD. HERE AT HOME MOST AMERICANS WONDER ALLOWED -- ALOUD WHY THE NATIONS OF EUROPE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO COME TOGETHER DURING THIS CRISIS. KNOWING HOW PRESSING THE NEEDS ARE IN OUR OWN COUNTRY, MANY AMERICANS VOICE FRUSTRATION AT THE UNENDING CALLS FOR ONE FORM OR ANOTHER AT THE U. S. ROLE IN BOSNIA. MANY RESENT THE ROLE OF THE U. S. AS GLOBAL POLICEMEN AGAIN. STILL MANY OTHERS ARE HORRIFIED BY THE PICTURES THEY SEE OF REFUGEES, OF BOSNIA SENSELESS DEAD, OF ETHNIC CLEANSING AND GENOCIDE, OF A YOUNG WOMAN HANGING FROM A TREE IN DESPERATE PURSUIT OF ESCAPE. IT IS THIS PROFOUND SENSE OF FRUSTRATION THAT BRINGS US TO THIS DEBATE TODAY. PROPONENTS OF S. 21 ARGUE THAT THIS APPROACH GIVES US THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS, AGO LOUG THE UNITED STATES TO DO SOMETHING -- AGO LOUG THE UNITED STATES TO DO SOMETHING TO RESOLVE THE CONFLICT WHILE DOING NOTHING TO FURTHER OUR OWN NATIONAL INVOLVEMENT. BUT, I BELIEVE, MR. PRESIDENT THAT THE PROMISES OF THIS APPROACH MAY WELL PROVE TO BE FALSE. AND THAT THE CONSEQUENCES OF SENATOR DOLE' S BILL ARE NOT WELL UNDERSTOOD. MR. PRESIDENT, IT IS THOSE CONSEQUENCES THAT CONCERN ME THE MOST. IT IS THOSE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED AS WE GO THROUGH THIS DEBATE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT MY FULL STATEMENT FOR THE RECORD WITH UNANIMOUS CONSENT. I WOULD DO SO.

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  • 12:18:43 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    MRS. MURRAY

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    MR. WARNER

    PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA.

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    MR. WARNER

    I YIELD MYSELF SUCH TIME AS I MAY REQUIRE. I' VE BEEN INFORMED THAT AT THE…

    I YIELD MYSELF SUCH TIME AS I MAY REQUIRE. I' VE BEEN INFORMED THAT AT THE PRESENT TIME THERE WILL BE AN OBJECTION INTERPOSED TO ANY REQUESTS TO EXTEND THE AMOUNT OF TIME NOW LAPSING BETWEEN 12: 20 AND 1: 30, AT WHICH TIME THE LEADERS HAVE THEIR TIME RESERVED. THEREFORE, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE SENATOR FROM ARIZONA HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU REQUIRE?

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  • 12:20:59 PM

    MR. KYL

    FIVE MINUTES. MR. WARNER: COULD YOU POSSIBLY REDUCE IT TO THREE?

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    MR. WARNER

    COULD YOU POSSIBLY REDUCE IT TO THREE?

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    MR. KYL

    I' LL DO MY BEST.

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    MR. WARNER

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. WARNER: THE SENATOR FROM OHIO, IF I MIGHT ASK THE…

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. WARNER: THE SENATOR FROM OHIO, IF I MIGHT ASK THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU DESIRE? COULD I ASK YOU TO REDUCE IT TO THREE? I THANK YOU.

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  • 12:21:06 PM

    MR. WARNER

    ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT MINUTES.

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    MR. THURMOND

    OR EIGHT MINUTES.

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    MR. WARNER

    I ASK THAT YOU REDUCE THAT AMOUNT OF TIME? I SAY WE' RE RAPIDLY RUNNING…

    I ASK THAT YOU REDUCE THAT AMOUNT OF TIME? I SAY WE' RE RAPIDLY RUNNING OUT OF TIME. WE, HOPEFULLY, CAN ACCOMMODATE THE SENATOR FROM MAINE. I' M TOLD THAT THERE WILL BE AN OBJECTION IF I WERE TO ASK FOR AN EXTENSION OF THE TIME. SO, COULD WE, HOPEFULLY, DO FIVE MINUTES FOR THE SENATOR FROM SOUTH CAROLINA?

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  • 12:21:47 PM

    MR. THURMOND

    LL TRY. MR. WARNER: FINE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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    MR. WARNER

    FINE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. PRESIDENT, I YIELD THE FLOOR.

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    MR. KYL

    MR. PRESIDENT? I THINK -- THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM ARIZONA.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM ARIZONA.

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    MR. KYL

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM ARIZONA. MR. KYL: THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT,

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    MR. KYL

    THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, I WANT TO STRONGLY SUPPORT THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN…

    THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, I WANT TO STRONGLY SUPPORT THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN RESOLUTION. IT IS FRUSTRATING FOR ALL OF US, BECAUSE THE MORAL IMPERATIVES HERE DEMAND ACTION, AND YET HAS BEEN NOTED BRING ALL THE OTHER SPEAKERS, ALL ACTIONS ARE FRAUGHT WITH PROBLEMS. WE ALL AGREE THERE ARE NO GOOD OPTIONS. AND WE ALL AGREE THAT LIFTING THE ARMS EMBARGO IS NOT A PANACEA. BUT, IT WILL ENABLE THE BOSNIAN MUSLIMS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES, WHICH IS THEIR RIGHT UNDER ARTICLE 51 OF THE UNITED NATIONS CHARTER. AND IT MAY EVEN HASTEN THE DAY WHEN THE SERBS CEASE THEIR AGGRESSION. EVER SINCE THE UNITED NATIONS EXTENDED DIPLOMATIC RECOGNITION TO BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA IN 1992, I HAVE BELIEVED THAT THE UNITED STATES SHOULD EITHER ACT TO GET THE UNITED NATIONS TO LIFT THE 1991 EMBARGO OR UNILATERALLY LIFT THAT EMBARGO IN ORDER TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE MUSLIM COMMUNITIES TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. WE ALL KNOW THAT THE BOSNIAN SERBS HAVE AN ARSENAL OF WEAPONS WHICH THEY OBTAINED LARGELY FROM THE YUGOSLAV ARMY AND ALSO FROM ROMANIA, THE SOVIET UNION AND OTHER SOURCES. IN AFGHANISTAN, CAMBODIA, NICARAUGA, WITH THE KURDS IN IRAQ, THE UNITED STATES HELPED THOSE DEFENDING THEIR FAMILIES AND TERRITORY TO ACQUIRE THE WEAPONS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. THIS SITUATION IS NO DIFFERENT, MR. PRESIDENT. AND THAT' S WHY I SUPPORT LIFTING THE ARMS EMBARGO. WHILE SOME NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES COULD RESULT FROM LIFTING THE ARMS EMBARGO, IT CANNOT BE WORSE FOR THE BOSNIAN MUSLIMS THAN THE DEATH OF 200, 000 CIVILIANS, PERHAPS THOUSANDS OF WOMEN RAPED, TWO MILLION PEOPLE LEFT HOMELESS AND THE LOSS OF 70% OF THEIR TERRITORY. IT WAS POINTED OUT IN AN EDITORIAL RECENTLY ENTITLED, " GENOCIDE BY EMBARGO, ADHERENCE TO SECURITY RESOLUTION 727, EVEN AFTER THE UNITED NATIONS EUROPEAN COMMUNITY AND THE UNITED STATES HAS RECOGNIZED THE INDEPENDENT STATUS OF THE STATES OF THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA IS A VIOLATION OF ARTICLE 51 OF THE U. N. CHARTER, WHICH ACKNOWLEDGES THE RIGHT OF SELF- SDWENS." HE GOES ON TO SAY, " THE UNITED STATES SHOULD NOT SIMPLY DECLARE -- EXCUSE ME --" SHOULD NOW DECLARE THERE IS NO VALID EMGAR GO -- EMBARGO ON THE SOVEREIGN NATIONS WHO ARE THE VICTIMS OF GENOCIDE." SHORTLY WE WILL BE VOTING ON TWO AMENDMENTS WHICH SEEK TO INVOLVE THE UNITED NATIONS. OF COURSE, IF THE UNITED NATIONS COULD QUICKLY LIFT THE ARMS EMGAR GO, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST RESULT. BUT THESE AMENDMENTS SHOULD NOT INTERPOSE BETWEEN UNITED STATES ACTION IMMEDIATELY AND LIFTING OF THE ARMS EMBARGO BY THE REST OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY, ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD DELAY UNITED STATES ACTION. AND THAT' S WHY I BELIEVE WE SHOULD FIRST PASS THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN RESOLUTION WHICH COMMITS THE UNITED STATES TO ACTION, NOT DEPENDENT ON WHAT ANYONE ELSE DOES. AS FORMER BRITISH PRIME MINISTER MARGARET THATCHER WROTE IN HER RECENT LETTER TO SENATOR DOLE, " AMERICAN LEADERSHIP IS VITAL TO BRING ORDER OUT OF THE PRESENT CHAOS. NO COUNTRY MUST BE ALLOWED TO VETO THE ACTION REQUIRED TO END THE PRESENT CATASTROPHE." THANK YOU,

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  • 12:24:57 PM

    MR. WARNER

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA. MR. WARNER: I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT I MAY…

    THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA. MR. WARNER: I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT I MAY PROCEED FOR NOT TO EXCEED TWO MINUTES ON MY TIME, UNDER MY CONTROL?

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  • 12:25:00 PM

    MR. WARNER

    I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT I MAY PROCEED FOR NOT TO EXCEED TWO MINUTES…

    I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT I MAY PROCEED FOR NOT TO EXCEED TWO MINUTES ON MY TIME, UNDER MY CONTROL?

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  • 12:25:07 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION.

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    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, IT' S IMPORTANT THAT THE SENATOR FROM MAINE BE GIVEN AN…

    MR. PRESIDENT, IT' S IMPORTANT THAT THE SENATOR FROM MAINE BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE AN AMENDMENT WHICH WOULD BE IN THE NATURE OF THE SECOND- DEGREE AMENDMENT. AND I YIELD TO HIM THE TWO MINUTES RESERVED.

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  • 12:25:20 PM

    MR. COHEN

    I THANK THE SENATOR FOR YIELDING.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    MR. COHEN

    I TOOK THE FLOOR TO INDICATE MY EXPECTATION WAS THAT SENATOR NUNN WOULD BE…

    I TOOK THE FLOOR TO INDICATE MY EXPECTATION WAS THAT SENATOR NUNN WOULD BE OFFERING AN AMENDMENT THAT ESSENTIALLY WOULD REQUIRE PRESIDENT CLINTON TO GO TO THE UNITED NATIONS A YEAR AGO IN AUGUST SENATOR NUNN AND THEN- SENATOR MITCHELL ALSO SPONSORED LEGISLATION REQUIRING THE PRESIDENT TO GO TO THE U. N. THE PRESIDENT DID, BUT HE DIDN' T SEEK A VOTE. UNDER THE NUNN AMENDMENT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, HE WOULD REQUIRE THE PRESIDENT TO SEEK A VOTE TO LIFT THE EMBARGO ON A MULTILATERAL BASIS. IT IS MY EXPECTATION THAT IF THE PRESIDENT WERE REQUIRED TO DO SO, NONETHELESS, WE COULD ANTICIPATE THAT ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COUNCIL, BE IT RUSSIA, BE IT FRANCE, BE IT ANY OTHER MEMBER, WOULD IMPOSE A VETO OR SEEK TO PREVENT IT FROM COMING TO A VOTE. MY AMENDMENT TO THE NUNN AMENDMENT WOULD REQUIRE THAT IN THE CASE THAT A VOTE IS PREVENTED OR IN CASE A VETO IS LODGED, THAT THE PRESIDENT WOULD THEN GO TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE UNITED NATIONS NATIONS, WHICH HAS VOTED MEMBERSHIP OF THAT ASSEMBLY OF THAT ASSEMBLY HAS VOTED ON TWO PRIOR OCCASIONS OVERWHELMINGLY AND INDEED WITHOUT DISSENT TO LIFT THE EMBARGO. THIS WOULD, IN MY JUDGMENT, MEET THE OBJECTIONS OF PEOPLE, OUR COLLEAGUES WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT UNDERMINING OUR RELATIONSHIP IN THE UNITED NATIONS OR WITH NATO. THIS WOULD, IN FANGT, GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A MULTILATERAL LIFTING OF THE EMBARGO. IT WOULD PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE INSTITUTION ITSELF. AND I BELIEVE IT WOULD RESOLVE THE PROBLEMS THAT MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES FEEL NOW THAT WE' RE ACTING UNILATERALLY. THIS WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTRIES WHO HAVE VOICED THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE LIFTING OF THAT EMBARGO ON A MULTILATERAL BASIS TO CAST THEIR VOTE. AND I BELIEVE IT WOULD ACCOMPLISH OUR OBJECTIVE. SO I INTEND TO SUPPORT THE DOLE RESOLUTION. I INTENDS TO SUPPORT THE NUNN AMENDMENT. AND, HOPEFULLY, MY COLLEAGUES WILL ALSO SUP POORT THE DOLE AMENDMENT TOO. GRB - SUPPORT THE DOLE AMENDMENT TOO. MR. PRESIDENT, I SEND TO THE DESK MY AMENDMENT IN THE SECOND DEGREE. THE PRESIDING OFFICER:

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  • 12:27:23 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    THE CLERK

    FROM MAINE, MR. COHEN, PROPOSES AN AMENDMENT NUMBERED 1851. STRIKE THE…

    FROM MAINE, MR. COHEN, PROPOSES AN AMENDMENT NUMBERED 1851. STRIKE THE PERIOD AT THE END AND INSERT IN LIEU THERE HAVE THE FOLLOWING: IN THE EVENT THE UNITED STATES SECURITY COUNCIL FAILS TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION TO TERMINATE THE APPLICATION OF UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 713 TO THE GOVERNMENT OF BOSNIA- HERZEGOVINA, BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF UNE NAM NIMTY OF THE PERMANENT MEMBERS, THEREBY FAILING TO EXERCISE ITS PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF INTERNATIONAL PEACE AND SECURITY, THE UNITED STATES SHALL PROMPTLY ENDEAVOR TO BRING THE ISSUE BEFORE THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY FOR A DECISION AS PROVIDED FOR IN THE ASSEMBLY' S UNITING FOR PEACE RESOLUTION OF 1950. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM OHIO.

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  • 12:28:09 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM OHIO.

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    MR. DEWINE

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR' S TIME IS EXPIRED. CAN I HAVE FOUR MINUTES?

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    MR. WARNER

    SENATOR FROM OHIO ONE ADDITIONAL WIN.

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    MR. DEWINE

    ONE ADDITIONAL MINUTE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. PRESIDENT, THE WRITING IS…

    ONE ADDITIONAL MINUTE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. PRESIDENT, THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL FOR THE TROOPS IN BOSNIA. THE TROOPS ARE COMING OUT, AND FRANKLY THEY ARE COMING OUT WERE WE PASS THIS RESOLUTION OR NOT. THEY ARE COMING OUT FOR GOOD REASON. THEY SIMPLY HAVE NO CONSTRUCTIVE ROLE TO PLAY UNDER THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. ARE THESE TROOPS SUPPOSED TO STAY IN BOSNIA JUST TO DIE? INTEREST THEY SUPPOSED TO STAY THEIR JUST TO BE CAPTURED? JUST TO SERVE AS A SHIELD FOR THE AN AGREE SOURCE? I THINK NOT. MR. PRESIDENT, IN CONCLUSION, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DOES HAVE TO LEAD. THE PRESIDENT NEEDS TO EXPLAIN TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT AMERICA' S GOALS ARE IN BOSNIA. HOW SPECIFICALLY HE INTENDS TO ACHIEVE THEM, WHAT SACRIFICES THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE TO MAKE, AND WHY. MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD ASK THAT THE BALANCE OF MY STATEMENT BE MADE A PART OF THE RECORD, AND I THANK THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA AND THE CHAIR. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED WARN AN MR. PRESIDENT?

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  • 12:32:33 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED WARN AN MR. PRESIDENT?

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: MR. PRESIDENT I HAVE SEVEN UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUESTS TO MEET…

    OFFICER: MR. PRESIDENT I HAVE SEVEN UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUESTS TO MEET DURING TODAY' S SESSION. THEY HAVE APPROVAL FROM THE DEMOCRAT LEADER. I ASK THAT HE BE AGREED TO EN BLOC AND EVEN REQUEST BE PRINTED IN THE RECORD. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

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  • 12:32:49 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

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    MR. WARNER

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION. WARN WAN FOLLOWING THE SENATOR FROM SOUTH…

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION. WARN WAN FOLLOWING THE SENATOR FROM SOUTH CAROLINA. MR. THURMOND: I WISH TO THANK THE ABLE SENATOR. MR.

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  • 12:33:13 PM

    MR. THURMOND

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    MR. WARNER

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA. MR. WARNER: MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO POSE…

    THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA. MR. WARNER: MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO POSE A FURTHER UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST.

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  • 12:37:46 PM

    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO POSE A FURTHER UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST.…

    MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO POSE A FURTHER UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST. THAT FROM THE TIME UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE DISTINGUISHED MAJORITY LEAD ARE, FOUR MINUTES BE GRANTED TO THE SENATOR FROM MINNESOTA NOW WAITING TO SPEAK, THAT THREE MINUTES BE GRANTED TO THE SENATOR FROM IOWA, THAT THREE MINUTES BE GRANTED TO THE SENATOR FROM NEW JERSEY, MR. LAUTENBERG WHO HAS BEEN HERE, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE SENATOR FROM NEW YORK, MR. MOYNIHAN IS GOING TO SPEAK AGAINST THE AMENDMENT, CONSEQUENTLY HE WOULD TAKE FIVE MINUTES FROM THE TIME UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE OTHER SIDE.

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  • 12:38:21 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. THE SENATOR FROM MINNESOTA.

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    MR. WELLSTONE

    MR. PRESIDENT, WE HAVE WITNESSED OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND ESPECIALLY…

    MR. PRESIDENT, WE HAVE WITNESSED OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND ESPECIALLY THE LAST TWO WEEKS, A SICKNING SPECTACLE IN BOSNIA. WOMEN RAPED FOR ALLEGED SINCE COMMITTED BY THEIR ANCESTORS CENTURIES AGO, TORTURE AND THE BRUTAL COLD- BLOODED MURDERS OF YOUNG MUSLIM MEN. WHERE ARE THE SERBS TAKING THESE MEN 12 YEARS OF AGE AND OVER, IF YOU WANT TO CALL A 12 YEAR- OLD A MAN. MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE FROM THE BEGINNING FELT THAT WE SHOULD BE FLYING OVER THESE TRUCKS AND TAKING LICENSE PLATES AND MAKING IT CLEAR TO THE SERBS THAT THEY WILL BE HELD ACCOUNT TO TOBL FOR WAR CRIMES. MR. PRESIDENT, THIS IS THE NEVER AGAIN AGAIN. THESE ARE NAZI- LIKE TACTICS. NAZI- LIKE ACTIONS. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE WITNESSING. MR. PRESIDENT, DURING THE LAST THREE YEARS I HAVE VOTED AT VARIOUS TIMES TO BOTH LIFT THE ARMS EMBARGO AND FIND OTHER WAYS THAT ALLIES COULD RESPOND TO THIS AGGRESSION BY THE SERBS SERBS. AND IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT THE ARMS EMBARGO MUST BE LIFTED LIFTED. BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO BE INTELLECTUALLY HONEST, MR. PRESIDENT, WE NEED TO THINK THROUGH ALL OF THE POLICY IMPLICATIONS THAT ACCOMPANY THIS MOW MEN TUESDAY DECISION. IF THE UNPROFOR FORCES ARE GOING TO BE LEAVING, THEY HAVE TO HAVE SAFE EXIT. AND THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY, THE UNITED STATES INCLUDED, I BELIEVE, HAS TO MAKE A COMMITMENT. AND WHAT ABOUT THE REFUGEES THEMSELVES? MR. PRESIDENT, I TRAVELED TO THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA, AND I MET WITH REFUGEES, AND I SAW ENOUGH PAIN TO LAST A LIFETIME LIFETIME. GOD FORBID WHAT' S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THEM IN THE INTERIM IF U. N. FORCES WITHDRAW AND THE SERBS JUST GO ON FORWARD AND WE HAVE MORE SLAUGHTER ON TOP OF SLAUGHTER? WHAT IS GOING TO BE OUR RESPONSE? AND THE RESPONSE OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY? I SAY TO MY COLLEAGUES, I THINK THERE IS A MORAL IMPERATIVE, AND WE SHOULD END THIS. I HOPE IT IS MULTINATIONAL, BUT WE SHOULD ENTER THIS ARMS EMBARGO. BUT PLEASE, DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ALIKE, DON' T THINK NOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT IS A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD -- DON' T MAKE THIS A TECHNICAL FIX. DON' T TURN YOUR GAZE AWAY FROM WHAT IS HAPPENING, BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER OBLIGATION WE MUST LIVE UP TO. THE PEOPLE OF BOSNIA NEED OUR HELP. THEY DESERVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST BRUTAL SERB AGGRESSION. WE SHOULD VOTE TODAY TO SEND A STRONG SIGNAL TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND TO OUR ALLIES THAT WE MUST MOVE FORWARD FORCE BY FLY ON BOSNIA BEFORE THE ENTIRE UNITED NATIONS OPERATION COLLAPSES AND THE PEOPLE OF BOSNIA ARE YOFER RUN ALL TOGETHER BY THE SERBS. MR. PRESIDENT, MY COLLEAGUE, SENATOR LIEBERMAN, NEVER AGAIN SHOULD MEAN NEVER AGAIN. LET' S VOTE TO SEND A STRONG SIGNAL TO THE REST OF THE WORLD THAT WE STILL BELIEVE IN THAT PROPOSITION.

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  • 12:42:04 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM IOWA.

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    MR. GRASSLEY

    OF WHICH SIDE EACH OF US MIGHT BE ON IN THIS DEBATE, I THINK WE CAN ALL…

    OF WHICH SIDE EACH OF US MIGHT BE ON IN THIS DEBATE, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON ONE THING, AND THAT ONE THING WE CAN ALL AGREE ON IS, THE LACK OF LEADERSHIP THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS DISPLAYED DURING THIS CRISIS. THIS ADMINISTRATION, UNDER PRESIDENT CLINTON, HAS ZIGGED AND ZAGGED AND FLIP AND FLOPPED MORE THAN A LOST RABBIT IN AN IOWA CORN FIELD. THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS HUFFED AND PUFFED AND BLUFFED ITS WAY THROUGH THIS CRISIS FOR OVER TWO YEARS NOW. I WOULD AGREE THAT THE PRIOR BUSH ADMINISTRATION ALSO MADE MISTAKES. BUT THOSE MISTAKES HAVE INCREASED AND EXPANDED UNDER A CLINTON FOREIGN POLICY THAT NO ONE UNDERSTANDS OR RESPECTS, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, AND SADLY I SAY, THAT APPLIES TO OUR ALLIES AS WELL, THAT THEY DON' T KNOW WHAT THE CLINTON FOREIGN POLICY IS. THE ONLY ENTITY IF I THAT HAS LESS RESPECT IS PROBABLY THE UNITED NATIONS, AND WHO DO WE TURN TO? WHEN WE NEED HELP IN THIS AREA? WHO DO WE TURN THE RESPONSIBILITY OVER TO IN YUGOSLAVIA? OF COURSE THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION HAS ALLOWED THE UNITED NATIONS TO DEFINE AND CONTROL OUR POLICY. JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF A MULTI MULTILATERAL INHE AT THIS TUDE THAT IS TAKEN PLACE WOULD INCLUDE IN NOVEMBER 1993 A SARAJEVO SCHOOLYARD WAS SHELLED, KILLING FOUR CHILDREN AND WOUNDING 40. THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION RESPONDED BY SAYING, " WE' RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT CITY TO BE STRANGELD, TO BE CUT OFF, TO BE RELENTLESSLY ATTACKED." WHAT ACTION WAS TAKEN? WELL, NONE. IN MAY, 1995, 200 U. N. PEACEKEEPERS WERE TAKEN HOSTAGE AND USED AS HUMAN SHIELDS AGAINST AIRSTRIKES. WE HEARD ALL KINDS OF PROTESTS AND THREATS FROM THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION TO THE NATO SECRETARY GENTLEMEN. WHAT ACTION WAS TAKEN? NONE. ONE OF OUR PLANES WAS SHOT DOWN RECENTLY, THANGSZ TO THE FACT THAT THE ADMINISTERS HAD NEGLECTED TO PROVIDE MISSILE JAMMING DEVICES TO OUR PLANES. AND THE PILOT WAS HUNTED LIKE AN' S ANIMAL BY THE ENEMY. THANKFULLY, WE RESCUED THE PILOT. WHAT ACTION DID WE TAKE AS A NATION AGAINST THE AN AGREE SOURCE IN NONE. MR. PRESIDENT, THERE IS A STARK CONTRAST TO THIS. WE SEE THE LEADERSHIP OF MAJORITY LEADER DOLE, SENATOR DOLE HAS CONSISTENTLY MOVED FORWARD WITH EFFORTS TO ALLOW THE BOSNIAN GOVERNMENT TO EXERCISE ITS INHERENT RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF. AGAINST MANY ODDS LAST YEAR, INCLUDING A HOSTILE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION AND AN UNCOOPERATIVE CONGRESS.

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  • 12:45:12 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    MR. GRASSLEY

    EXPIRED. MR. GRASSLEY: I PUT THE BALANCE OF MY STATEMENT IN THE RECORD.…

    EXPIRED. MR. GRASSLEY: I PUT THE BALANCE OF MY STATEMENT IN THE RECORD. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

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  • 12:45:17 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

  • 12:45:23 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NEW YORK.

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    MR. MOYNIHAN

  • 12:51:01 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    MR. PRESIDENT, DOES THE SENATOR FROM NEW YORK REQUIRE MORE TIME?

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    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, DOES THE SENATOR FROM NEW YORK REQUIRE MORE TIME?

  • 12:51:10 PM

    MR. MOYNIHAN

    SAY THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THE RIGHT OF SELF- DEFENSE,…

    SAY THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THE RIGHT OF SELF- DEFENSE, INDIVIDUAL AND COLLECTIVE IS INHERENT AND IN NO WAY DEPENDS UPON THE APPROVAL OF THE SECURITY COUNCIL OR THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OR ANY OTHER INTERNATIONAL BODY. MR. WARNER: MR. PRESIDENT, I THINK HE HAS VERY CLEARLY STATED HIS MESSAGE. UNDER THE

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  • 12:51:23 PM

    MR. WARNER

    I THINK HE HAS VERY CLEARLY STATED HIS MESSAGE. UNDER THE CURRENT…

    I THINK HE HAS VERY CLEARLY STATED HIS MESSAGE. UNDER THE CURRENT UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST, THERE IS THREE MINUTES FOR THE SENATOR FROM FROM NEW JERSEY. MR. PRESIDENT I YIELD SUCH TIME AS TO MAKE THAT FIVE MINUTES, TWO MINUTES ADDITIONAL. AND MR. PRESIDENT, TO INFORM OTHER SENATORS, THAT RESULTS? THE EXPIRATION OF THE TIME UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE MAJORITY LEADER.

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  • 12:51:49 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM NEW JERSEY.

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    MR. LAUTENBERG

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA.

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    MR. WARNER

    TO THE COLLEAGUE FROM NEW JERSEY THAT WAS A STRONG STATEMENT AND I HOPE IT…

    TO THE COLLEAGUE FROM NEW JERSEY THAT WAS A STRONG STATEMENT AND I HOPE IT BE ACCEPTED BY ALL. I JOIN HIM IN HIS OBSERVATION AND VERY MUCH RESPECT HIS SUPPORT OF THIS IMPORTANT MEASURE THAT IS NOW BEFORE THE SENATE. MR. PRESIDENT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT WOULD CONSUME ALL OF THE TIME UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE MAJORITY LEADER, AND I AM ACTING AS HIS DESIGNEE. I YIELD THE FLOOR. MR. LIEBERMAN: MR. PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT.

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  • 12:57:57 PM

    MR. LIEBERMAN

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT.

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    MR. LIEBERMAN

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    MR. DORGAN

    MR. PRESIDENT, IF I MIGHT, I' D THRIKE ASK THE SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT TO…

    MR. PRESIDENT, IF I MIGHT, I' D THRIKE ASK THE SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT TO YIELD FOR A QUESTION. IF THE SENATOR HAS TIME. MR. LIEBERMAN: SURE.

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  • 01:03:07 PM

    MR. LIEBERMAN

    HAS TIME. MR. LIEBERMAN: SURE.

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    MR. DORGAN

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    MR. LIEBERMAN

    MR. PRESIDENT, I THANK MY FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE FROM NORTH, AND ACTUALLY I'…

    MR. PRESIDENT, I THANK MY FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE FROM NORTH, AND ACTUALLY I' VE WATCHED HIM AS HE' S BEEN LISTENING TO THIS DEBATE, AND I' VE SEEN -- BECAUSE I KNOW HIM -- HIS OWN STRUGGLING AND ANGUISH ABOUT THIS. AND I RESPECT THE SERIOUSNESS WITH WHICH HE' S GONE OUT, THE SINCERITY AND THE RELEVANCE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HE ASKS NOW. LET ME ANSWER THE TWO QUESTIONS. IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHAT IS THE POLICY? WHO CAN OFFER A POLICY THAT WILL DO ANY BETTER THAN WHAT HAS HAPPENED NOW? I WILL SAY TO MY FRIEND THAT THE POLICY THAT THE WESTERN WORLD ANT WORLD -- THAT THE WORL HAS FOLLOWED UP UNTIL NOW, WHICH IS TO SEND THE UNITED NATIONS IN TO WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE A MISSION IMPOSSIBLE, TO KEEP THE PEACE WHERE THERE WAS ONLY WAR, HAS NOT WORKED. THE LONDON COMMUNIQUE RAISED SOME HOPE THAT IT MIGHT BEGIN TO WORK. IF THE ALLIES CAN GET TOGETHER AND USE AIR POWER TO GIVE SOME MEANING TO THE WORD " SAFE" AS APPLIED TO SAFE AREAS. RIGHT NOW THEY ARE EIGHT FURTHEST THING FROM SAFE. AND TO COMBINE WITH THAT VERY WEAK AND CONFUSED UNITED NATIONS PRESENCE THE CONTINUATION OF THE ARMS EMBARGO. THAT HAS BEEN THE POLICY UP UNTIL NOW. AND I JUDGE THAT TO BE A FAILURE. IT HAS NOT STOPPED SERBIAN AGGRESSION. IT HAS NOT STOPPED THE SUFFERING OF THE BOSNIAN PEOPLE. AND IT HAS DONE TERRIBLE DAMAGE TO THE CREDIBILITY OF THE UNITED NATIONS, NATO, AND, UNFORTUNATELY, THE UNITED STATES. THE ALTERNATIVE POLICY, THE PREFERABLE POLICY, WHICH IS IN PART IMPLEMENTED BY THE PROPOSAL THAT WE WILL VOTE ON IN A WHILE, IS THE SO- CALLED LIFT- AND- STRIKE POLICY THAT IN FACT PRESIDENT CLINTON ADOPTED IN THE 1992 CAMPAIGN AND CARRIED WITH HIM INTO THE 1993 INTO THE PRESIDENCY. HE WAS FRUSTRATED IN HIS DESIRE TO IMPLEMENT THAT LIFT- AND- STRIKE POLICY IN THE SPRING OF 1993 WHEN OUR ALLIES IN EUROPE REFUSED TO GO ALONG. AND SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING IN PUTTING THIS PROPOSAL HERE IS TO BEGIN TO FINALLY, THOUGH THE HOUR IS LATE AND EVERMORE DIFFICULT IN BOSNIA, TO IMPLEMENT THE LIFT- AND- STRIKE POLICY. LIFTING THROUGH THIS ACTION AND STRIKING HOPEFULLY THROUGH THE BROADENING OF THE MEASURES AGREED TO AND THE TOUGHENING OF THE MEASURES AGREED TO IN THE LONDON COMMUNIQUE.

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  • 01:08:26 PM

    MR. DORGAN

    WHY DON' T I JUST ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT POINT POINT. THAT SUGGESTS…

    WHY DON' T I JUST ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT POINT POINT. THAT SUGGESTS SOMEHOW THAT THE STRATEGY OF DEALING WITH THE CONFLICT IN BOSNIA IS TO RELY ON AIR POWER, AND I TELL YOU, I' VE BEEN IN MEETINGS WHERE THE JOINT CHIEFS -- COLIN POWELL WHEN HE WAS JOINT CHIEF -- AND OTHERS HAVE DESCRIBED TO US THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF USING AIR POWER IN THE BALKANS. IT IS A MUCH DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE THAN USING AIR POWER IN THE DESERT WHERE FOLKS WOULD RUN THEIR TANKS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DESERT AND WE' D SEND AIRPLANES OVER TO BOMB THE TANKS. I WONDER IF THE IMPLICATION HERE IS THAT AIR POWER EVENTUALLY IS WHAT IS GOING TO RESOLVE THE CONFLICT IN THE BALKANS AND --

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  • 01:09:07 PM

    MR. LIEBERMAN

    WITH THE SENATOR AND OTHERS WHO HAVE SPOKEN. AIR POWER CAN HELP BUT IT…

    WITH THE SENATOR AND OTHERS WHO HAVE SPOKEN. AIR POWER CAN HELP BUT IT WILL NEVER DECIDE THE CONFLICT. BUT WHEN COMBINED WITH THE CONSIDERABLE BOSNIAN MILITARY FORCE ON THE GROUND, FINALLY FULLY ARMED, I THINK IT IS A WINNING COMBINATION. I SAY TO MY FRIEND THAT I NOTE THE PRESENCE ON THE FLOOR OF THE SENATOR FROM GEORGIA, AND I DON' T WANT TO IMPINGE ON HIS TIME. I WOULD SIMPLY ANSWER THE SECOND QUESTION RAISED ABOUT THE TROOPS ON THE GROUND THE ALLIED NATIONS THAT I HOPE THAT THE U. N. MISSION CAN BE FORTIFIED AS A RESULT OF THE LONDON COMMUNIQUE. I' M DOUBTFUL BASED ON THE CONFLICTING MESSAGES THAT HAVE COME OUT OF LATE. BUT IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT THE LIFTING OF THE EMBARGO DOES STAND SEPARATELY BECAUSE IT IS AN ILLEGAL AND INVALID ACT AND IT CAN' T STAND ALONG ALONGSIDE THE CONTINUED PRESENCE OF THE UNITED NATIONS TROOPS. HOWEVER, RESPONDING TO CONCERNS EXPRESSED, I THINK, APPROPRIATELY BY THE SENATOR FROM GEORGIA AND OTHERS, SENATOR DOLE AND I MADE A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN THE PROPOSAL TO LIFT THE ARMS EMBARGO FROM THE MEASURE WE INTRODUCED LAST YEAR TO SAY THAT THE EMBARGO WOULD NOT BE LIFTED UNTIL THE ALLIES ON THE GROUND HAD THE CHANCE TO EXIT IF IN FACT THEY CHOSE TO EXIT A UNDERSTAND I WOULD SAY, FINALLY, THAT AS THE SENATOR FROM NORTH DAKOTA CONSIDERS HOW TO VOTE, IT SEEMS TO ME -- AND I MUST SAY OF ALL THE REASONS GIVEN FOR VOTING AGAINST OUR PROPOSAL, THE ONE THAT HAS MOST PROFOUNDLY TROUBLED ME IS THE SUGGESTION THAT IT WOULD CAUSE MORE BLOODSHED. AND HERE I THINK WE OWE IT TO THE VICTIMS, THOSE WHO HAVE SHED THEIR BLOOD TO LISTEN TO THEM AND NOT TO MAKE A PATERNALISTIC JUDGMENT FOR THEM ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE BETTER FOR THEM. THEY ARE EIGHT ONES WHO HAVE SUFFERED. AND I CLOSE FINALLY WITH THOSE WORDS FROM PRIME MINISTER SILL LOD SDIK FROM BOSNIA. " OUR PEOPLE ASK THAT WE BE ALLOWED ONLY THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES. IT IS ON THEIR BEHALF THAT I APPEAL TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND GOVERNMENT TO UNTIE OUR HANDS SO THAT WE MAY PROTECT OURB SELVES. THE SLAUGHTER HAS GONE FAR ENOUGH. MY PEOPLE INSIST THAT THEY WOULD RATHER DIE WHILE STANDING AND FIGHTING THAN ON THEIR KNEES. IN GOD' S NAME, WE ASK THAT YOU LIFT THE ARMS EMBARGO." I THANK THE CHAIR, AND I YIELD THE FLOOR. MR. NUNN: MR. PRESIDENT, I DON' T WANT TO INTERRUPT MY FRIEND FROM CONNECTICUT.

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  • 01:11:29 PM

    MR. NUNN

    THE SENATOR IS RIGHT.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR IS RIGHT.

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    MR. NUNN

    ERMAN AMENDMENT WE NOW HAVE IS NOT A LIFT- FIRST, THEN- LEAVE POLICY. IT…

    ERMAN AMENDMENT WE NOW HAVE IS NOT A LIFT- FIRST, THEN- LEAVE POLICY. IT IS A LEAVE- FIRST, AND THEN LIFT POLICY. AND THAT POINT NEEDS TO BE EMPHASIZED. THIS IS NOT THE SAME DOLE- LIEBERMAN AMENDMENT WE HAD LAST YEAR. THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN AMENDMENT LAST YEAR FAILED ON A 50- 50 VOTE, AND THE MITCHELL- NUNN AMENDMENT PASSED ON A VOTE OF 52- 48. LATER ON IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS BILL, ANOTHER VOTE WAS TAKEN AND THE DOLE AMENDMENT PASSED, AND THE MITCHELL- NUNN AMENDMENT PASSED AGAIN. DURING THE HOUSE- SENATE CONFERENCE ON THE AUTHORIZATION BILL WITH BOTH OF THESE AMENDMENTS ON THE AUTHORIZATION BILL, THE HOUSE BILL HAD A UNILATERAL LIFT PROVISION THAT PASSED BY A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN IN THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL HAD THE MITCHELL- NUNN PROVISION I HAVE ALREADY DESCRIBED FEN THE COMPROMISE PROVISION WORKED OUT DURING CONFERENCE 125EU9ED AS A GENERAL UNITED STATES POLICY THAT THE UNITED STATES SHOULD EXERCISE LEADERSHIP WITHIN THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY TO CAUSE THE BOSNIAN SERBS TO ACCEPT THE CONTACT GROUP PROPOSAL. IT ALSO CALLED FOR SUCH LEADERSHIP TO BE TAKEN ON THREE SEPARATE BUT COMPLIMENTARY TRACKS AS FOLLOWS: AND THESE ARE IMPORTANT AS BACKGROUND FOR THIS VOTE TODAY. AN INTERNATIONAL TRACK POLICY THAT, IF THE BOSNIAN SERBS DID NOT ACCEPT THE CONTACT GROUP' S PEACE PROPOSAL BY OCTOBER 15, 1994, THE PRESIDENT WOULD FORMALLY INTRODUCE AND SUPPORT A RESOLUTION WITHIN THE UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL TO LIFT THE BOSNIAN ARMS EMBARGO MULTILATERALLY. THE PROVISION WAS NOT MANDATORY BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT WROTE TO THE CONFEREES COMMITTING HIS ADMINISTRATION TO INTRODUCE AND SUPPORT SUCH A RESOLUTION IN THE SECURITY COUNCIL. THE ADMINISTRATION DID, AS THEY COMMITTED THEY WOULD DO TO THE CONFEREES, BUT THEY DID NOT PRESS THE RESOLUTION TO A VOTE BECAUSE THEY DHEARMD IT WOULD NOT PASS. THE NUMBER- TWO PART OF THAT PROPOSAL -- THAT AUTHORIZATION BILL THAT CAME OUT LAST YEAR, THE COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND SENATE -- THE SECOND PART: A UNILATERAL U. S. POLICY THAT IF THE U. N. SECURITY COUNCIL DOES NOT LIFT THE BOSNIAN ARMS EMBARGO, THEN, FIRST, NO FUNDS COULD BE USED TO ENFORCE THE ARMS EMBARGO ON THE BOSNIAN GOVERNMENT, OTHER THAN AS REQUIRED OF ALL UNITED NATIONS MEMBER STATES. AND THAT HABIT LAW SINCE LAST YEAR. WE HAVE NOT BEEN ENFORCING THE EMBARGO ACCORDING TO THE LAW. WE HAVE BEEN RESPECTING IT, NOT ENFORCING IT, WITH OUR MONEY WITH OUR FORCES. NUMBER TWO, THE PRESIDENT SHALL SUBMIT A PLAN TO CONSULT WITH THE CONGRESS ON THE MANNER IN WHICH U. S. ARMED FORCES AND THE FORCES OF FRIENDLY STATES WOULD PROVIDE TRAINING TO THE BOSNIAN ARMY OUTSIDE BOSNIA. AND, NUMBER THREE, THE PRESIDENT SHOULD SUBMIT A PLAN TO CONSULT WITH THE CONGRESS REGARDING THE UNILATERAL TERMINATION OF THE BOSNIAN ARMS EMBARGO AND THE IMPLICATIONS THEREOF. THE THIRD PART OF THAT AUTHORIZATION BILL LAST YEAR, WHICH I THINK PERHAPS WAS ITS MOST RELEVANT PART TO WHERE WE ARE NOW, WAS THAT AN INTERIM POLICY THAT IF THE BOSNIAN SERBS ATTACKED ANY SAFE AREAS, THE PRESIDENT SHOULD PROMPTLY, FORMALLY INTRODUCE AND SUPPORT IN THE U. N. SECURITY COUNCIL A RESOLUTION THAT SELECTIVELY LIFTS THE BOSNIAN ARMS EMBARGO IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE PROVISION OF DEFENSIVE WEAPONS SUCH AS ANTITANK WEAPONS, COUNTERBATTERY RADARS AND MORTARS TO ENABLE THE BOSNIAN GOVERNMENT TO DEFEND THE SAFE AREAS. MR. PRESIDENT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION DID NOT INTRODUCE A RESOLUTION IN THE U. N. SECURITY COUNCIL TO SELECTIVELY LIFT THE BOSNIAN ARMS EMBARGO WHEN THE BOSNIAN SERBS ATTACKED AND OVERRAN THE SAFE AREAS. THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY. I CONSIDER IT MR. PRESIDENT, UNCONSCIONABLE FOR THE UNITED NATIONS PROTECTED SAFE AREAS TO BE OVERRUN WITH THE BOSNIAN DEFENDERS BEING UNABLE TO DEFEND BECAUSE THEY ARE DENIED DEFENSIVE WEAPONS AND THE U. N. IS UNABLE FOR UNWILLING TO DEFEND THESE AREAS DECLARED " SAFE." WE IN ENVISIONED THAT POSSIBILITY LASTER YEAR IN THE APPROPRIATIONS BILL. WE GAVE THE PRESIDENT INSTRUCTIONS SHORT AFTER MANDATE AS TO WHAT SHOULD BE DONE T HAS NOT BEEN DONE. MR. PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES, OUR ALLIES AND THE UNITED NATIONS HAVE REACHED THE POINT OF MAKING A FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE IN POLICY OR BEGINNING TO WITHDRAW. A CONTINUATION OF THE PRESIDENT POLICY IS A -- OF THE PRESENT POLICY IS A PRESCRIPTION FOR CONTINUED EROSION OF U. N., NATO, AND UNITED STATES CREDIBILITY IN EUROPE AND THROUGHOUT THE WORL. THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION FAVORS THE CONTINUED PRENZ OF THE U. N. FORCES IN BOSNIA AS WELL AS A VIGOROUS USE OF NATO AIR POWER TO SAVE THE REMAINING SAFE AREAS. BUT A NUMBER OF FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS STRATEGY REMAIN UNANSWERED. FIRST QUESTION: HAVE OUR NATO ALLIES TRULY SIGNED ONTO A SUBSTANTIAL AND DECISIVE USE OF AIR POWER HITTING LUCRATIVE TARGETS IF GORAZDE IS ATTACKED? NUMBER TWO: IS NATO WILLING TO CONTINUE ITS AIR ATTACK AS REQUIRED, EVEN IF HOSTAGES ARE TAKEN OR THE SERBS BEGIN KILLING SUBSTANTIAL NUMBERS OF U. N. PERSONNEL? NUMBER THREE: ARE WE PROTECTING ONLY GORAZDE OR ARE OTHER SAFE AREAS INCLUDED? IF NOT WHAT DOES THE TERM " U. N. SAFE AREA" MEAN AT THIS POINT IN TIME WHEN TWO HAVE FALLEN AND ONLY ONE IS CLEARLY DESIGNATED AS BEING PROTECTED? WILL THE U. N. DIVIDE SAFE AREAS INTO THREE CLASSES -- FALLEN SAFE AREAS, ABOUT TO FALL SAFE AREAS, AND " SAFE" SAFE AREAS? IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS TAKE PLACE. FOURTH QUESTION: DOES THE SO- CALLED DUAL- KEY ARRANGEMENT REMAIN IN EFFECT? THIS MORNING' S " NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTS FROM BRUSSELS THAT BRITISH AND FRENCH FIRMS IN NATO REALLY DON' T WANT THE U. N. TO GIVE UP ITS DUAL KEY. IF ACCURATE THIS WOULD DIRECTLY CONTRADICT THE ADMINISTRATION' S UNDERSTANDING AND EXPLANATION OF THE LONDON CONFERENCE. NUMBER FIVE: IF NATO AN THE UNITED NATIONS REALLY INTENDED VIGOROUS AIRSTRIKES, WHY ARE U. N. PERSONNEL NOT BEING MOVED OUT OF HARM' S WAY BOTH AS A PROTECTIVE MEASURE AND AS AN INDICATION OF THE DEAD SERIOUSNESS OF NATO' S NEW RESOLVE? NUMBER SIX: IF THERE IS AN ALLIED DIPLOMATIC STRATEGY TO GO ALONG WITH ITS LONDON POLICY, WHAT IS IT? I HAVEN' T SEEN IT. WILL THE UNITED STATES CONTINUE TO INSIST ON A JUST SETTLEMENT? I PUT THOSE WORDS IN QUOTES BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN USED SO MANY TIMES IN BOTH EDITORIALS AND IN DEBATE -- " INSIST ON A " JUST SETTLEMENT" BUT ALSO REMAIN UNWILLING TO SUBMIT U. S. FORCES? THAT QUESTION IS NOT SIMPLY FOR THE ADMINISTRATION BUT FOR MANY IN CONGRESS, FOR MANY IN THE NEWS MEDIA THAT TEEP CAULKING ABOUT A JUST SETTLEMENT BUT NEVER, EVER COMPLETE THE LOGIC THAT IT REQUIRES THE USE OF FORCE TO IMPOSE IT. OTHERWISE, IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. AND THE USE OF FORCE IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO HAVE TO BE OUTSIDE FORCE, INCLUDING U. S. FORCE. MR. PRESIDENT, THESE OPEN QUESTIONS MAKE IT CLEAR TO ME THAT THE U. N., THE NATO POLICY, AND THE U. S. GOVERNMENT ALL TOGETHER HAVE NO COHERENT STRATEGY REGARDING BOSNIA. TO MANY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN PROPOSAL IS MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN THE CURRENT POLICY PRIMARILY BECAUSE IT IS NOT -- IT HAS NOT YET BEEN TRIED AND TESTED. THIS PROPOSAL ALSO IS FAR FROM COMPLETE OR COHERENT. IT HAS TAKEN ON A VERY LARGE AND I BELIEVE EXAGGERATED SIGNIFICANCE, BOTH BY ITS SUPPORTERS AND BY ITS CRITICS. AND MANY OF ITS CRITICS CONTINUE TO DESCRIBE IT AS IT WAS LAST YEAR WITHOUT ACKNOWLEDGING IT HAS CHANGED. A NUMBER OF KEY QUESTIONS ARE NOT ANSWERED OR EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN PROPOSAL THAT WE WILL VOTE ON. I WILL ADD HASTILY THAT THE MOST SENATOR DOLE AND LIEBERMAN HAVE ADDRESSED SOME OF THESE POLICIES IN THEIR ORAL STATEMENTS BUT MOST OF THESE ARE NOT IN ANY WAY NOT PART OF THIS DELIBERATION BECAUSE WE ARE A NOT GOING TO BE VOTING ON IT, IT IS NOT IN THE PROPOSAL. FIRST -- THE FIRST LARGE GAP IS THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE SUPPORTERS OF THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN PROPOSAL, WHICH ENCOURAGE U. N. WITHDRAWAL -- AND WHEN WE VOTE ON IT TODAY, THAT' S WHAT WE WILL BE DOING; WE WILL NOT BE MANDATEING IT, BUT WE WILL BE ENCOURAGING IT, WE WILL BE GIVING AN INCENTIVE FOR IT -- THOSE SUPPORTERS ARE PREPARED TO BACK PRESIDENT CLINTON' S PUBLIC COMMITMENT AND PRIVATE COMMITMENT TO ASSIST IN THE U. N. WITHDRAWAL WITH U. S. GROUND FORCES IF REQUIRED. WE' RE CALLING FOR THE WITHDRAWAL. THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID, WE' RE GOING TO HELP WITHDRAW IF IT TAKES PLACE WITH GROUND FORCES IF NECESSARY, BUT WE IGNORE THAT QUESTION. WE ACT LIKE IT DOESN' T EXIST. WE ACT LIKE THAT' S NOT EVEN PART OF THE EQUATION. THAT WE CAN SIMPLY VOIT ON THE PART WE LIKE HERE, LIFTING. BUT NOT FACE THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE PART WE DON' T LIKE. AND THAT IS U. S. GROUND FORCES COMMITTED. THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN PROPOSAL IS SILENT ON THIS POINT AND SPEAKS LOUDLY TO THE WORLD. SECOND, WILL THE UNITED STATES FURNISH EQUIPMENT LIKE ARTILLERY, TANKS, AND ANTITANK WEAPONS WHEN THE EMBARGO IS LIFTED? IF WE WON' T DO IT DIRECTLY, WILL WE HELP FACILITATE THAT DELIVERY? WILL THE ALLIES ALSO LIFT THE EMBARGO OR IF THEY CONTINUE THE EMBARGO, WILL WE FORCEFULLY BREAK THE EMBARGO BY DELIVERING EQUIPMENT? WILL RUSSIA UNILATERALLY LIFT ITS EMBARGO ON SERBIA, A IT HAS SAID IT WILL DO OFERDS AND OVER AGAIN? IF THAT IS THE CASE, IS THERE GOING TO BE A NET GAIN FOR THE BOSNIAN GOVERNMENT? THIRD AND PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY, WILL THE U. S. HELP TRAIN THE BOSNIAN FORCES OR AT LEAST HELP FACILITATE THE TRAINING? TRAIN SOMETHING NEEDED MORE THAN EQUIPMENT. EQUIPMENT IS PART OF THE EQUATION AND AN IMPORTANT PART. BUT TRAIN SOMETHING SADLY LACKING. IT HAS TO TAKE PLACE. SOMEONE HAS TO DO IT. WHEN WILL IT TAKE PLACE? WHERE WILL IT TAKE PLACE? AND WHO WILL DO IT? WILL THE UNITED STATES HELP? SILENCE ON THIS KEY SET OF QUESTIONS IS WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE WILL BE VOTING ON. SILENCE. FOURTH, DO THE AUTHORS OF THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN AMENDMENT ENVISION DEFENSIVE EQUIPMENT OR OFFENSIVE EQUIPMENT FALLING TO BOSNIA OR BOTH? UNDERSTANDABLY, BUT UNFOR THE NATIONALLY, IN ORDER TO SECURE VOTES FOR PASSAGE OF THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN AMENDMENT, IT ADDRESSES THESE QUESTION QUESTIONS -- TRAINING, SUPPLIES SUPPLIES, EQUIPMENT. IT ADDRESSES THESE KEY QUESTIONS ONLY BY SILENCE PLUS ONE PARAGRAPH. AND THAT IS A NEGATIVE PARAGRAPH ON PAGE 5, SECTION 4 4( E), WHICH STASTE STATES AS FOLLOWS " NOTHING IN THIS SECTION SHALL BE INTERPRETED AS AUTHORIZATION FOR DEPLOYMENT OF UNITED STATES FORCES IN THE TERRITORY OF BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA FOR ANY PURPOSE, INCLUDING TRAINING, SUPPORT, OR DELIVERY OF MILITARY EQUIPMENT." THAT WHAT' S THIS SAYS. WE' RE NOT GOING TO HELP THEM WITH TRAINING. WE' RE NOT GOING TO HELP THEM WITH EQUIPMENT. WE HAVE NO AUTHORIZATION. WARE NOT GOING TO LET ANY AMERICAN FORCES ON THE GROUND. BUT ALL OF THIS SOMEHOW WONDEROUSLY IS SPOFERDE TO TAKE PLACE. MR. PRESIDENT, CONSIDERING THE IMPLICATION OF THIS PARAGRAPH, WHO WILL PROVIDE CLOSE AIR SUPPORT TO PROTECT THE FEW REMAINING SAFE AREAS? WHEN THE U. N. FORCES BEGIN PULLING OUT? AS ENVISIONED BY THE DOLE- LEAN DOLE- LEANERMAN BILL? WHO WILL HAVE THE FORCES ON GROUND TO DESIGNATE TARGETS FOR OUR AIRCRAFT, IF THE UNITED STATES CONDUCTS AIRSTRIKES TO PROTECT AGAINST BOSNIAN SERB DEFENSES? AS THE U. N. STARTS PULLING OUT -- AND IT WILL TAKE ANYWHERE FROM SEVEN WEEKS TO 12 WEEKS -- AND THE BOSNIAN SERBS GO ON THE OFFENSIVE AND THERE ARE NO CLOSE OBSERVERS THERE PLUG IN WITH TRAINING WITH NATO EQUIPMENT, HOW WILL WE HAVE AIRSTRIKES THAT REALLY GO AFTER TARGETS? UNLESS THEY' RE FIXED TARGETS. BUT NOT MOVING TARGETS. THOSE ON THE ATTACK WILL BE MOVING. WE ASKED -- WILL WE ASK THE BRITISH AND FRENCH TO PROVIDE THE PROTECTION WHILE THE U. N. IS PULLING OUT PRIOR TO THE LIFTING OF THE EMBARGO AND THE NECESSARY TRAINING OF FORCES IN THE BOSNIAN FORCES? THESE RUN ANSWERED QUESTIONS. I FEEL THE NATIONAL IS FACED WITH A CHOICE BETWEEN TWO INCOHERENT POLICIES. IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, OUR NATION WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF WE MADE IMPASSIONED SPEECHES AND AVOIDED PASSING A LAW. THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN AMENDMENT DOES NOT FACE UP TO THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION ON THE GROUND. WHERE THE BOSNIAN SERBS OCCUPY BETWEEN 70% AND 80% OF THE TERRITORY IN BOSNIA ANZ HAVE A DECIDED ADVANTAGE IN HEAVY WEAPS. MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE POINTED OUT MANY FLAWS WITH THE CURRENT POLICY AND WITH THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN PROPOSAL. EVEN WITH THESE FLAWS, HOWEVER HOUR, IN THE LEMG TIFF PROPOSAL, THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN BILL IS MUCH IMPROVED OVER THE EARLIER PROVISIONS. IT HAS BEEN MISCHARACTERIZED BY MY VIEW THAT ADMINISTRATION BY OUR ALLIES AND BY MOST OF THE U. S. PRESS. YES, IT REQUIRES A UNILATERAL LIFT OF THE BOSNIAN ARMS EMBARGO, BUT IT DOES SO ONLY AFTER THE U. N. FORCES ARE WITHDRAWN FROM BOSNIA T DOES NOT MANDATE THAT UNPROFOR WITHDRAW FROM BOSNIA. IT PLACES THE RESPONSIBILITY UPON THE GOVERNMENT OF BOSNIA TO MAKE THE DIFFICULT CHOICE OF REQUESTING THAT THE UNITED NATIONS WITHDRAW THE U. N. FORCES WITH ALL THE ATTENDANT CONSEQUENCES, INCLUDING THE LOSS OF HUMANITARIAN RELIEF SUPPLIES OF SUCH A WITHDRAWAL. THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE AN EASY DECISION FOR THE BOSNIAN GOVERNMENT. THE RAPID REACTION FORCE CON SIGNIFICANCE OF OUR FRENCH, BRITISH AND DUTCH ALLIES HAS DEPLOYED TO THE SARAJEVO AREA WITH THE INTENTION OF COUNTERING BOSNIAN SERB ATTACKS ON U. N. FORCES THERE, INCLUDING THOSE U. N. FORCES WHO ARE ESCORTING HUMANITARIAN RELIEF CONVOYS. NATO IS APPARENTLY DETERMINED TO CONDUCT ROBUST AIR ACTION TO COUNTER BOSNIAIAN SERB ATTACKS ON GORAZDE, A TERMINATION THAT WILL HOPEFULLY BE EXTENDED TO OTHER SAFE AREAS OF BIHAC AND OTHERWISE IF NECESSARY. IF THESE ACTIONS ARE CARRIED OUT SUCCESSFULLY AND IF THIS BILL IS ULTIMATELY ENACTED INTO LAW, THE BOSNIAN GOVERNMENT WILL BE FACED WITH A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION, A DIFFICULT DECISION THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE WE CAN PREDICT WITH CERTAINTY. ONE CHOICE THEY WILL HAVE IS TO KEEP THE U. N. IN BOSNIA WHICH MEANS A CONTINUATION OF THE EFFORT TO PROTECT THE FLOW OF HUMANITARIAN RELIEF SUPPLIES TO THE BOSNIAN PEOPLE AND SOME DEGREE OF PROTECTION FOR AT LEAST THE SAFE AREA OF GORAZDE AND PERHAPS SARAJEVO. THE OTHER CHOICE THE BOSNIAN GOVERNMENT WILL FACE IS TO HAVE THE U. N. FORCES WITHDRAWN BY THEIR REQUEST AND HAVE THE ARMS EMBARGO LIFTED BY THE UNITED STATES AFTER THE U. N. FORCES ARE OUT OF BOSNIA, WHICH MAY, I SAY MAY, RESULT IN THEIR REQUIRING MORE HEAVY ARMS AND EQUIPMENT AND MAY RESULT IN A CONTINUATION OF AIR DEFENSE AND AIRSTRIKES BY THE UNITED STATES OR SOME OTHER NATION. MR. PRESIDENT, THERE HAVE BEEN ASSERTIONS OVER THE LAST WEEK OR SO THAT VARIOUS ACTIONS WILL AMERICANIZE THE CONFLICT IN BOSNIA. I THINK THOSE WHO SAY THAT ABOUT EITHER THE CURRENT POLICY OR THE DOLE- LEAKERMAN AMENDMENT ARE ACCURATE. IN MY VIEW, WITH EITHER POLICY CHOICE WE' RE GIVEN TODAY, THERE IS A DANGER OF THE CONFLICT INCREASINGLY BEING AMERICANIZED. MR. PRESIDENT, NEITHER THE CURRENT POLICY OF THE U. N. AND NATO NOR THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN APPROACH, IN MY VIEW, ARE COHERENT POLICIES. THE ADMINISTRATION HAS WORKED DILL JNTSLY IN THE LAST FEW DAYS TO BRING ABOUT CHOING IN THE CURRENT U. N. NATO POLICY IN BOSNIA. IT HAS FALLEN SHORT OF THE MARK. MR. PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES, OUR ALLIES, AND THE UNITED NATIONS HAVE REACHED A CRITICAL JUNCTURE IN BOSNIA. I BELIEVE THAT THE ACTIONS OF UNPROFOR PARTICULARLY THE ACTIONS OF THE RAPID REACTION FORCE TO ENSURE THE DELIVERY OF HUMANITARIAN RELIEF SUPPLIES SUPPLIES TO THE PEOPLE OF NATO AND THE ACTIONS TO REPEL ATTACKS ON GORE AND THE OTHER REMAINING SAFE AREAS HOPEFULLY WILL IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS DETERMINE THE OUTCOME OF THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN AMENDMENT. NOT ONLY THE OUTCOME AS TO WHETHER IT BECOMES LAW BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF IT DOES BECOME LAW. WHAT THE BOSNIA GOVERNMENT DOES WHEN THE BALL IS IN ITS COURT. WHEN THIS BILL PASSES, IT WILL PROBABLY BE ACCEPTED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND SENT TO THE PRESIDENT IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. THE PRESIDENT WILL UNDOUBTEDLY, AS HE SAID, VETO THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN BILL AND CONGRESS WILL THEN VOTE WHETHER TO OVERRIDE THE PRESIDENT' S VETO. MR. PRESIDENT, IN SPITE OF ITS FLAWS, I WILL VOTE FOR THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN BILL TODAY EVEN WITH ALL OF DEFECTS AS A WAY OF EXPRESSING MY STRONG FEELINGS ON TWO KEY POINTS. FIRSTER, THE CURRENT U. N. NATO POLICY IN BOSNIA IS A FAILURE AND WITHOUT DRAMATIC CHANGE WILL CONTINUE TO ERODE THE CREDIBILITY OF THE NIGH TOW ALLIANCE AND THE UNITED STATES WORLDWIDE. SECOND, THE ABILITY OF THE BOSNIAN SERBS TO OVERRUN THE SO- CALLED SAFE AREAS WITHOUT THE U. N. TAKING DECISIVE STEPS TO PREVENT THAT AND THE COMMISSION OF UNLAWFUL ACTS IN CAPTURING THE SAFE AREAS AND IN MISTREATING INNOCENT CIVILIANS BY THE THOUSANDS CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE THAT THE CONTINUATION OF THE ARMS EMBARGO IS BOTH UNTENABLE, IMMORAL AND UNJUSTIFIED. MR. PRESIDENT, THIS EMBARGO SHOULD BE LIFTED THE WAY IT WAS IMPOSED -- MULTILATERALLY. BUT IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS, UNILATERALLY, IF ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. IT IS MY HOPE THAT THE NUNN AMENDMENT WHICH WILL EXPRESS THAT ORDER OF PRIORITIES WILL PASS WHEN IT IS VOTED NONE A FEW MINUTES BECAUSE IT MAKES IT CLEAR THAT EVEN THOUGH THE ODDS ARE AGAINST THE SECURITY COUNSEL LIFTING THE EMBARGO MULTILATERALLY, WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST TRY TO GET IT LIFTED MULTILATRY RALLY BEFORE WE DO IT UNILATERALLY, OTHERWISE WE WILL MEET OURSELVES COMING BACK IN TERMS OF OUR EMBARGO ON IRAQ, ON LIBYA AND PERHAPS ON OTHER PLACES IN THE WORLD AS EVENTS UNFOLD. MR. PRESIDENT, I BELIEVE THAT EVEN AFTER THIS PASSES, THIS BILL PASSES, AND AFTER IT GOES TO THE PRESIDENT AND AFTER ITS VETOED, IF IT IS, I BELIEVE THAT ALL OF US, WHICHEVER SIDE OF THIS ARGUMENT WE' RE ON OR WHERE WE' VE BEEN, NEED TO CAREFULLY REVIEW THE DEVELOPMENTS ON THE GROUND IN BOSNIA, AND PARTICULARLY THE PERFORMANCE OF THE U. N. AND NATO, IN THE COMING DAYS. I WILL DECIDE AND I WILL CAST MY VOTE ON THE INEVITABLE QUESTION OF OVERRIDING THE PRESIDENT' S VETO BASED UPON THESE EVENTS THAT WILL UNFOLD. MR. PRESIDENT, I THANK THE CHAIR FOR THE TIME. AND I WOULD YIELD ANY TIME REMAINING BACK.

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  • 01:31:02 PM

    MR. WARNER

    THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA.

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    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, I CERTAINLY WISH TO EXPRESS TO MY GOOD FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE…

    MR. PRESIDENT, I CERTAINLY WISH TO EXPRESS TO MY GOOD FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE OF THESE MANY YEARS MY OWN APPRECIATION FOR YOUR SUPPORTING THE UNDERLYING MEASURE BY THE DISTINGUISHED MAJORITY LEADER AND THE SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT. THE SENATOR FROM GEORGIA AND I HAVE WORKED IN THIS ARENA FOR MANY, MANY YEARS TOGETHER AND I HAVE ALWAYS HAD A PROFOUND RESPECT FOR HIS ABILITY TO GET RIGHT TO THE HEART OF AN ISSUE AND TO EXPRESS, IRRESPECTIVE OF POLITICS OR PARTISAN ISSUES, WHAT HE THINKS IS IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COUNTRY. AND, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOUR JOINING HERE TODAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF I CAN CLARIFY ONE PART OF YOUR REMARKS. AND THAT IS YOU ADDRESSED THE RAPID REACTION FORCE WHICH TODAY IS REPORTED TO BE TAKING POSITIONS IN THE SARAJEVO AREA AREA. AND IF I UNDERSTOOD THE SENATOR, YOU FELT THAT HOW THEY CARRIED OUT THAT MISSION MIGHT WELL HAVE A VERY STRONG BEARING ON THE FUTURE OF THIS LEGISLATION.

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    MR. NUNN

    IN ADDITION TO AS WELL PROTECTING THE OTHER SAFE AREAS, AS DESIGNATED, AS…

    IN ADDITION TO AS WELL PROTECTING THE OTHER SAFE AREAS, AS DESIGNATED, AS WELL AS ENFORCING THE OTHER MANDATES THAT THEY HAVE THUS FAR BEEN RATHER INEFFECTIVE IN ENFORCING. NOT SIMPLY THAT MISSION, BUT INCLUDING THAT MISSION.

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  • 01:32:37 PM

    MR. WARNER

    AS I LOOK THROUGH THE PRESS REPORTS AND OTHER INFORMATION THAT IS…

    AS I LOOK THROUGH THE PRESS REPORTS AND OTHER INFORMATION THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THE SENATE, IT IS NOT CLEAR TO ME THE EXTENT TO WHICH THOSE RAPID REACTION FORCES, AUGMENTING THE UNPROFOR FORCES IN SARAJEVO, WILL BE USED FOR ANY MISSION OTHER THAN PROTECTING THE UNPROFOR FORCES IN THE CARRYING OUT OF THE MISSION, NAMELY, OF DELIVERING FOOD, MEDICINE, AND THE LIKE TO THAT AREA. IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WOULD PARTICIPATE IN THE PROTECTION OF THE CIVILIANS IF IT IS UNRELATED TO THE MISSION OF UNPROFOR?

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    MR. NUNN

    I WOULD SAY TO MY FRIEND FROM VIRGINIA, I' M NOT CLEAR ON THAT POINT. I…

    I WOULD SAY TO MY FRIEND FROM VIRGINIA, I' M NOT CLEAR ON THAT POINT. I DON' T KNOW THAT THERE IS A CLEAR POLICY. OBVIOUSLY IF YOU KEEP THE ROAD OPEN, AS THOSE FORCES ARE PLEDGED TO DO, THAT HELPS THE HUMANITARIAN MISSION OF GETTING SUPPLIES THROUGH. WHETHER THEY WOULD RESPOND TO ARTILLERY SHELLING OF THE CITY CITY, IF IT DOES NOT HIT U. N. PERSONNEL, I DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT. IT SEEMS TO ME WHEN YOU HAVE A SAFE HAVEN AND THAT SAFE HAVEN' S BEING GROSSLY VIOLATED, IF IT MEANS ANYTHING AT ALL, IT OUGHT TO BE ENFORCED. BUT I DO NOT -- DO NOT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO SPEAK TO WHAT THEIR INTENTION IS AT THIS POINT IN TIME. OBVIOUSLY THE UNITED STATES DOESN' T HAVE FORCES THERE AND THIS WOULD BE A DECISION MADE BY THE U. N. AND BY OUR ALLIES WHO HAVE FORCES ON THE GROUND.

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    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, THAT' S MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT IT IS CERTAINLY UNCLEAR AT…

    MR. PRESIDENT, THAT' S MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT IT IS CERTAINLY UNCLEAR AT THIS POINT IN TIME THE EXTENT TO WHICH THEY WOULD ENGAGE IN RETALIATING OR DEFENDING -- OR WHATEVER WORD YOU WISH TO USE -- AGAINST THESE PROLONGED AND CONTINUOUS ATTACKS BY THE BOSNIAN SERBS. AND I JUST HOPE THAT THE SENATE, AND, INDEED, OTHERS FOLLOWING THIS DEBATE WORLDWIDE, DO NOT ATTACH TOO MUCH SIGNIFICANCE TO THE PRESENCE OF THOSE RAPID REACTION FORCES UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE HAVE A MUCH CLEARER IDEA AS TO THEIR MISSION AND TO THEIR CAPABILITIES OF CARRYING OUT THAT MISSION. THIS IS A RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBER OF COMBAT ARMS THAT ARE BEING PLACED IN THAT AREA BY THE RAPID REACTION FORCE IN COMPARISON TO THE ORDER OF BATTLE ON BEHALF OF THE BOSNIAN SERBS.

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  • 01:34:54 PM

    MR. NUNN

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE DEMOCRATIC LEADER IS RECOGNIZED FOR 10 MINUTES.

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    MR. DASCHLE

    MR. PRESIDENT, WE' RE ABOUT TO VOTE, AND I WOULD LIKE SIMPLY TO SUMMARIZE…

    MR. PRESIDENT, WE' RE ABOUT TO VOTE, AND I WOULD LIKE SIMPLY TO SUMMARIZE AS BEST I CAN THE RESOLUTION AS MANY OF US UNDERSTAND THE DECISION TO BE THIS AFTERNOON. AS WE BEGIN, I THINK THERE IS MUCH FOR WHICH THERE IS COMPLETE AGREEMENT. WE ALL AGREE THAT THE CURRENT SITUATION IS HORRIFYING. THE ETHNIC CLEANSING, THE VIOLENCE, THE VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS, PICTURES ON TELEVISION, ALL OF WHICH WE SIMPLY WILL NOT TOLERATE. WE ALL AGREE THAT THE STATUS QUO IS UNTENABLE. ZEPA SHELLED YESTERDAY AND THERE CONTINUES TO BE SERBIAN AGGRESSION IN PARTS THROUGHOUT BOSNIA THAT WE ARE SIMPLY UNWILLING TO ACCEPT. WE ALL AGREE THAT LIFTING THE EMBARGO IS DESIRABLE. AND WE AGREE THAT THE BOSNIANS OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. WE AGREE ON ALL OF THOSE POINTS. I DON' T THINK THERE IS A SENATOR IN THE CHAMBER WHO WOULD DISAGREE ON ANY OF THAT. THE ISSUE BEFORE US IS NOT A QUESTION OF " IF" WE LIFT THE EMBARGO BUT HOW. HOW DO WE LIFT IT SO THAT WE CAN ENABLE THE BOSNIANS TO FIGHT FOR THEMSELVES BUT PROTECT OUR OTHER VITAL U. S. INTERESTS AS WELL? THAT' S THE ISSUE. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RELATING TO THIS EMBARGO THAT GO BEYOND ENABLING THE BOSNIANS TO HELP THEMSELVES. AND ON THAT ISSUE, THE QUESTION OF HOW WE KEEP IN BALANCE, IN PROPER PERSPECTIVE, ALL OF THESE VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE DECISION THAT I' M AFRAID OUR DECISIONS ARE BEING DRIVEN AS MUCH BY EMOTION AS THEY ARE BY THE FACTS. AS THEY ARE BY THE COOL CONSIDERATION OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF LIFTING THE EMBARGO UNILATERALLY THIS AFTERNOON. THAT IS UNDERSTANDABLE. WE SEE THE SERBIAN ATROCITIES AND WE WANT TO RESPOND. WE SEE A ONE- SIDED WAR SPREADING DAY BY DAY, AND BY ALL THAT IS RIGHT, WE WANT TO SCREAM, " ENOUGH! ." ENOUGH. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HELP IN SOME WAY. BECAUSE ALL TOO OFTEN, COUNTRIES HAVE FOOD BY WHILE ATROCITIES OF THIS KIND HAVE BEEN PERPETRATED, AND WE WANT NO PART. WE ARE UNITED BY THAT OUTRAGE, BY THAT CONTEMPT. WE' RE UNITED BY THE RESOLVE TO DO SOMETHING MORE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, AS DOES EVERY SENATOR IN THE CHAMBER THIS AFTERNOON. WHAT DIVIDES US? WHAT REALLY DIVIDES US IS HOW BEST TO TRANSFORM RESOLVE INTO ACTION. AND, REALLY, THE QUESTION IS, AS WE TRY TO COME TO SOME AGREEMENT AS TO WHAT OUR ACTION OUGHT TO BE, THE QUESTION IS, DO WE GIVE NATO AND THE UNITED NATIONS ONE MORE CHANCE TO FIGHT? DO WE GIVE THEM ONE MORE CHANCE TO ACT TO STOP SERB AGGRESSION BEFORE WE LIFT THE EMBARGO? OR MUST WE LIFT IT RIGHT NOW? WELL, THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE HIMSELF VERY CLEAR. THE PRESIDENT HAS URGED US TO GIVE OUR UNITED EFFORTS THAT CHANCE. THE PRESIDENT HAS URGED US TO RECOGNIZE THE PURPOSE OF OUR ALLIANCES, TO DEMONSTRATE OUR COMMITMENT TO MULTILATERAL EFFORTS, AS WE HAVE EXPECTED THEIRS. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE SAID TO THE UNITED NATIONS AND TO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY, " WE NEED YOUR HELP, WE NEED YOUR COOPERATION, WE NEED YOUR PARTICIPATION?" HOW MANY TIMES DID WE SEND PEOPLE TO BRITAIN, TO FRANCE, AND TO COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD DURING THE PERSIAN GULF WAR SAYING, " HELP US. THIS IS A UNITED EFFORT?" HOW MANY TIMES DID WE GO TO OTHER COUNTRIES AND SAY, " WE' VE GOT TO PUT SOME CONSTRAINTS ON LIBYA OR ON CUBA CUBA?" AND WILL WE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE GO TO OUR ALLIES AND SAY, " WE NEED YOUR HELP WITH NORTH KOREA?" " WITH CHINA?" MR. PRESIDENT, THAT' S WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS ASKING US TO BEAR IN MIND AS WE MAKE THE DECISION WE MUST THIS AFTERNOON. AND THE CHOICE IS CLEAR. WE GIVE THIS EFFORT, RECOGNIZING OUR DESIRE TO LIFT THE EMBARGO, WE GIVE THIS EFFORT ANOTHER CHANCE, RECOGNIZING THAT PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE IN THE LAST FEW DAYS DAYS, RECOGNIZING THAT AT SOIM POINT, TIME DOES RUN -- AT SOME POINT, TIME DOES RUN OUT. DO WE ALLOW THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEMONSTRATE, WHAT -- WITH WHATEVER RESOLVE WE CAN MUSTER, THAT IN THE REMAINING WEEKS BEFORE WINTER SETS IN, THAT WE USE ALL OF THE MUSCLE, ALL OF THE FORCE, ALL OF THE RESOLVE THAT WE AND THE -- IN THE UNITED WAY CAN MUSTER OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF UNILATERAL ACTION, WHICH COULD LEAD THIS COUNTRY TO GREAT PERIL AND, FRANKLY, TO VERY DISTURBING PRECEDENCE. A UNILATERAL LIFT MEANS, IN LARGE MEASURE, UNILATERAL RESPONSIBILITY. A UNILATERAL LIFT MEANS ACCELERATED DEPLOYMENT OF U. S. FORCES, AND ON THAT THERE CAN BE NO QUESTION. WE LIFT, THEY LEAVE. WE LIFT, WE HELP THEM LEAVE. WE LIFT, WE' RE THERE AND THE ACTION SPREADS. AND THEN WHAT? A UNILATERAL LIFT MEANS THE POSSIBILITY OF THE DISINTEGRATION OF NATO. WHAT DO WE TELL OUR NATO ALLIES ALLIES? THAT THIS ORGANIZATION, WHICH HAS STOOD NOW FOR 450 YEARS -- IRONICALLY WE CELEBRATED THIS YEAR -- WHAT DO WE TELL THEM? THE NEXT TIME THEY COME TO US OR WE GO TO THEM? WELL, AS LONG AS EVERYTHING' S OKAY, AS LONG AS IT' S COMFORTABLE FOR US, WE' LL JOIN YOU. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THINGS GET ROUGH, IF WE DISAGREE WITH YOU, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY, NATO DOESN' T MATTER ANYMORE, NATO ISN' T GOING TO BE AN ALLIANCE. WE' RE GOING TO DECIDE FOR OURS -- FOR OURSELVES WHETHER WE LIKE INVOLVEMENT IN NATO OR NOT. DO WE REALLY WANT TO SEND THAT MESSAGE TO OUR NATO ALLIES? DO WE REALLY WANT TO SAY, NATO DOESN' T COUNT? DO WE REALLY WANT TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF A SDINTH GRATED NATO WITH ALL THAT' S GOING ON IN EUROPE TODAY? A UNILATERAL LIFT MEANS THE DEMISE OF OTHER MULTILATERAL EMBARGOES. LET THERE BE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THAT EITHER. I DON' T KNOW HOW WE TELL OUR ALLIES WE STILL NEED THEM IN THE PERSIAN GULF, WE STILL NEED THEM IN LIBYA. AND, BY THE WAY, WE DON' T WANT YOU TO SEND ANYTHING TO CUBA. HOW DO WE SAY THAT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE, MR. PRESIDENT? A UNILATERAL LIFT COULD DRAMATICALLY UNDERMINE OUR PRESIDENT AND THIS COUNTRY' S STANDING. WE ROLL OVER THE PRESIDENT THIS AFTERNOON, AND THEN WHAT? GO OUT THERE, MR. PRESIDENT. WE' RE UNITED, DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS. WE WANT YOU, AS THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF, AND AS THE ARTICULATOR OF FOREIGN POLICY TO GO DO YOUR THING. WE' RE JUST GOING TO ROLL OVER YOU WHEN WE DECIDE WE DON' T LIKE WHAT YOU' RE DOING. WHAT KIND OF STANDING IS THIS COUNTRY GOING TO HAVE WITH ALL OF THE WORLD? WE HAVE ONE PRESIDENT AT A TIME TIME. WE HAVE ONE COMMANDER IN CHIEF AT A TIME. WE HAVE A STATE DEPARTMENT THAT WE DELEGATE RESPONSIBILITY TO TO CREATE FOREIGN POLICY. A UNILATERAL LIFT, MR. PRESIDENT, UNFORTUNATELY, MAY NOT EVEN WORK, MAY NOT EVEN GET THROUGH. WE' RE TALKING HERE ABOUT THREE MONTHS BEFORE ANYTHING ACTUALLY REACHES BOSNIA, AND THAT ASSUMES THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH CROATIA, THAT CROATIAN PORTS WILL BE OPEN, THAT THE LINES WILL BE AVAILABLE TO US. IT MEANS THAT SOMEHOW WE' VE GOT ALL THAT WORKED OUT, THAT OUR ALLIES ARE GOING TO AGREE TO END THE EMBARGO AND ALLOW OUR SUPPLIES TO GET THROUGH INTO BOSNIA. AND THEN WHAT IF ARMS AREN' T ENOUGH? WHAT IF OUR ALLIES HAVE GONE? WHAT HAPPENS THEN, MR. PRESIDENT? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE FIND OUT SIX, EIGHT MONTHS FROM NOW THAT THIS DIDN' T WORK AND OUR ALLIES ARE GONE AND THE HORRIFIC ACTS THAT WE SEE ON TELEVISION RIGHT NOW WILL CONTINUE? WHAT HAPPENS THEN WHEN THE BOSNIANS COME TO US AND SAY, " WE NEED YOUR HELP. YOU' VE SEEN WHAT WE' VE SEEN ON TELEVISION. WE CANNOT TOLERATE. WILL YOU SEND TROOPS TO STOP THE SPREAD INTO MACEDONIA OR KOSOVO OR, GOD FORBID, TURKEY OR GREECE?" WHAT THEN? ARE WE STILL GOING TO MAKE THESE COURAGEOUS SPEECHES ABOUT HOW HORRIFYING AND HOW DIFFICULT IT IS FOR THE BOSNIANS? ARE WE WILLING THEN TO RUSH TO THEIR SUPPORT? MR. PRESIDENT, THIS ISN' T A TIME TO DIVORCE OURSELVES FROM THE UNITED EFFORT. LET' S MAKE A DECISION BASED UPON WHAT COMES NOT ONLY FROM OUR HEARTS BUT FROM OUR HEADS AS WELL. LET US VOTE " NO" ON THIS RESOLUTION. I YIELD THE FLOOR.

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  • 01:45:37 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    MR. DOLE

    MAJORITY LEADER. MR. DOLE: MR. PRESIDENT, HOW MUCH TIME? THE PRESIDING…

    MAJORITY LEADER. MR. DOLE: MR. PRESIDENT, HOW MUCH TIME? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: 10 MINUTES.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: 10 MINUTES.

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    MR. DOLE

    THE MAJORITY LEADER.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE MAJORITY LEADER.

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    MR. DOLE

    MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE LISTENED WITH GREAT CARE TO THE DISTINGUISHED…

    MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE LISTENED WITH GREAT CARE TO THE DISTINGUISHED DEMOCRATIC LEADER. I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR HIM. BUT I DON' T THINK THE WORLD' S GOING TO COLLAPSE IF WE DO THE RIGHT THING. THAT' S WHAT IT' S ALL ABOUT. NATO IS GOING TO COLLAPSE, OUR ALLIES ARE GOING TO LEAVE US. THEY' RE NOT GOING TO LEAVE US. WE ARE THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD. WE HAVEN' T ACTED LIKE IT IN THIS INSTANCE, BUT WE ARE. WE DIDN' T ACT LIKE IT IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION, BUT WE ARE ARE, WHEN IT CAME TO BOSNIA. SO I DON' T KNOW -- I' M NOT AS TROUBLED ABOUT THE WORLD COMING APART HERE NOW IF THE SENATE DOES WHAT IT SHOULD HAVE DONE MONTHS AND MONTHS AGO, AND MAYBE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ROLLING OVER THE PRESIDENT. THIS IS ABOUT THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES AND ABOUT REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS WHO SHARE A COMMON VIEW. AND SOME ON EACH SIDE, I MIGHT ADD. I BELIEVE WE DON' T HAVE MANY OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THIS TO SORT OF TURN AWAY FROM AN HISTORIC FAILURE AND CHART A NEW PATH FOR AMERICA. IT DOESN' T HAPPEN TOO OFTEN IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE. AND I KNOW IT' S A DIFFICULT VOTE FOR MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THEIR PARTY. AND I COMMEND THOSE WHO HAVE STOOD UP IF THEY WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING. THIS IS NOT POLITICS. THIS IS NOT ABOUT PRESIDENT CLINTON OR PRESIDENT BUSH OR ANYBODY IN THE SENATE. THIS IS NOT THE DOLE AMENDMENT OR THE LIEBERMAN AMENDMENT, THIS IS A MESSAGE FROM THE UNITED STATES SENATE, SUPPORTED, I MIGHT SAY, BY DOZENS AND DOZENS OF GROUPS ALL ACROSS AMERICA. AND WITHOUT READING ALL THE GROUPS, ACTION COUNCIL FOR PEACE IN THE BALKANS, AMERICAN COMMITTEE TO SAVE BOSNIA, AMERICAN COUNCIL FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS, AMERICAN JEWISH CONGRESS, AMERICAN MUSLIM COUNCIL, AMERICAN TASK FORCE FOR BOSNIA, AND ON AND ON IT GOES. AND THEN THE ACTION COUNCIL OF THE BALKANS, COMPOSED OF OUT OUTSTANDING AMERICANS, DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, MORRIS ABRAHAMS, FRANK CARLUCCI, HODDING CARTER, MAXT CAMP MEN, FRANK KERINKOFF, ZIGMET BRIZNISKY, JEAN KIRK KIRKPATRICK. AND THAT LIST GOES ON AND ON. HELMUT SINENFELD, ALBERT WOO WOOLFSTEDDER, ALBERT SHANKER. DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, CONSERVATIVES, LIBERALS. WHO I GUESS BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES, EVEN IF THEY' RE A LITTLE, TINY COUNTRY WITH NO LOBBYISTS RUNNING AROUND THE CONGRESS. THEY WON' T BE AFFECTED BY WHAT WE DID YESTERDAY ON LOBBYING REFORM -- THEY DON' T HAVE ANY. WE GET LONG- DISTANCE CALLS, OVERSEAS CALLS FROM THE PRIME MINISTER AND THE FOREIGN MINISTER. AND THEY CALLED YESTERDAY, AND AS THEY WERE CALLING, THEY WERE TELLING US THAT ZEPA WAS ABOUT TO FALL. AND IT DID. SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE DOING HERE IS THE VERY RESPONSIBLE, RIGHT THING, NONPARTISAN, NONPOLITICAL, BIPARTISAN MESSAGE TO THE WORLD, NOT JUST TO BOSNIA, THAT IF YOU' RE AN INDEPENDENT NATION, IF YOU' RE A MEMBER OF THE UNITED NATIONS, AS THE SENATOR FROM NEW YORK SO ELOQUENT THE STATED YESTERDAY, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO SELF- DEFENSE. NOT A RIGHT TO AMERICAN TROOPS TROOPS. NOT A RIGHT TO AMERICAN AIR POWER. NOT A RIGHT TO AMERICAN ANYTHING. BUT YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO SELF- DEFENSE. AND THAT' S WHAT THIS DEBATE' S ALL ABOUT. NOW, WE' RE A BIG COUNTRY. THEY' RE A SMALL COUNTRY. AND I GUESS IT WOULD BE GOOD IF BOSNIA WOULD JUST GO AWAY, IF THEY WOULD JUST SURRENDER, OUR PROBLEMS WOULD END. FOR A WHILE, UNTIL SOMEBODY STARTED WRITING THE HISTORY OF THIS ERA, AND IT WOULD BE A STAIN ON THE WEST ALMOST -- WELL, MAYBE NOT ALMOST, BUT IT WOULD RECALL PREVIOUS STAINS ON THE WEST WHEN WE STOOD BY AND WATCHED THE GENOCIDE IN WORLD WAR II. CALL IT ETHNIC CLEANSING, CALL IT ANYTHING YOU IT. THE SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS, SENATOR KERRY, SAYS WE' RE GOING TO ABANDON BOSNIA. WE' RE NOT GOING TO ABANDON BOSNIA, WE' RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE' VE BEEN TOLD BY THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS THEY WANT US TO DO -- LIFT THE ARMS EMBARGO. AND, AGAIN, I KNOW THAT THINGS DO CHANGE. BUT I REMEMBER IN 1992, CANDIDATE CLINTON SAID, " LIFT THE ARMS EMBARGO AND HAVE AIRSTRIKES. LET' S PROVIDE SOME LEADERSHIP," HE WAS SAYING TO PRESIDENT BUSH, WHO WAS FAIRLY QUIET ON THE ISSUE HIMSELF. LIFT THE ARMS EMBARGO. I REMEMBER GOING TO A MEETING AT THE WHITE HOUSE I THINK APRIL OR MAY OF 1993. IT WAS ALL FOR THAT PURPOSE. THE PRESIDENT WAS FOR IT, THE VICE PRESIDENT WAS FOR IT, THIS SENATOR WAS FOR IT. I MUST SAY THERE WAS A MIXED GROUP THERE. AS WE DO, FROM TIME TO TIME, WE GET MIXED ADVICE. THE PRESIDENT GOT MIXED ADVISE. DON' T DO IT, DON' T GET INVOLVED. THIS IS AN IMMORAL AND UNJUST POLICY THAT WE HAVE IN EFFECT NOW. THEY OUGHT TO TAKE AWAY THE KEY FROM BOUTROS BOUTROS- GHALI AND LOCK THE DOOR AND THROW AWAY THE KEY AS FAR AS HE' S CONCERNED. THEY' RE NOT EVEN CERTAIN YET. THEY' RE STILL DEBATING WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE THE DUAL- KEY APPROACH. WHETHER ANYTHING COULD EVER BE DONE WITHOUT U. N. APPROVAL BY NATO. I THINK NATO IS IN DIFFICULTY BECAUSE NOBODY CAN FIND A MISSION. WITHOUT A MISSION, WHY ARE THEY THERE? AND THEY' RE TROUBLED BY THIS. I' VE BEEN THERE. I' VE TALKED TO THEM. I' VE HEARD THEM ALL TELL US THE SAME THING. DON' T LIFT THE ARMS EMBARGO. THE UNITED NATIONS PROTECTION FORCES ARE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN. AND THEY ARE. AND THEY SHOULD BE COMMENDED. AND SOME HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES. AND THEY' RE OUR FRIENDS AND OUR ALLIES. BUT WE ARE THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD. WE CAN' T ABDICATE THAT RESPONSIBILITY. WE CAN' T ABDICATE THAT LEADERSHIP AND SAY, " WELL, NOT THIS TIME. WE WANT TO PASS ON BOSNIA. THIS IS A EUROPEAN PROBLEM." SO WE GO ALONG WITH THE EUROPEANS UNTIL IT FAILS. THEY TELL ALL THE BOSNIANS WE' RE GOING TO HAVE THESE SIX NICE SAFE HAVENS FOR YOU. YOU GIVE UP YOUR HEAVY EQUIPMENT. YOU' RE NOT GOING TO NEED IT. THIS IS SAFE. SO THEY GIVE UP THEIR HEAVY EQUIPMENT. NOW THEY HAVE RIFLES TO FIRE AGAINST TANKS AND ARTILLERY WEAPONS. AND HOW MANY SAFE HAVENS IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET ANYBODY' S ATTENTION? HOW MANY ARE GOING TO FALL? TWO ALREADY. TWO MORE IN DANGER. SARAJEVO AND BIHAC. HOW MANY MORE? ALL FOUR, FIVE, SIX? AND THEN SUDDENLY WE RECOGNIZE THAT THIS MUST BE A FAILED POLICY. SO WE' VE HAD A LOT OF ACTIVITY IN LONDON AND BRUSSELS. WE' VE HAD A LOT OF POUNDING THE TABLE AND DEMANDING THE SERBS DO THIS AND DO THAT. AND THEY DID IT. THEY JUST TOOK ANOTHER SAFE HAVEN. THEY' RE SCARED TO DEATH. AND I WAS ASKED ON A PROGRAM LAST EVENING, AND I DON' T MEAN IT TO SOUND THIS WAY, BUT I THINK THE PERSON WHO ASKED THE QUESTION, WAS SAYING, WELL, THEY' RE NOT KILLING AS MANY PEOPLE NOW SO THERE MUST BE SOMETHING GOOD COMING OUT OF IT. AND MAYBE THE KILLING HAS BEEN REDUCED AS FAR AS NUMBERS. THERE WERE ONLY 630 CASUALTIES IN JULY. 130 KILLED. AN AVERAGE OF FOUR OR FIVE ARE KILLED DAILY, 12 AND 15 ARE WOUNDED. AND LAST WEEKEND, SEVEN CHILDREN WERE KILLED. NOW, DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE TO RUSH IN AND HELP EVERYONE BECAUSE WE' RE THE WORLD' S POLICEMAN? ABSOLUTELY NOT. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME -- AND I' M NOT AN EXPERT ON FOREIGN POLICY -- THAT THIS COUNTRY OUGHT TO HAVE A RIGHT, THROUGH ITS ELECTED LEADERS, TO SAY TO US, " IT' S TIME TO GO, U. N. PROTECTION FORCES." WHEN THEY LEAVE, LIFT THE ARMS EMBARGO. AND LET US DEFEND OURSELVES. NOW, IT ALWAYS SEEMED TO ME THAT WAS SORT OF A BASIC RIGHT, AN INHERENT RIGHT, THAT ALL AMERICANS ENJOYED AND ALL AMERICANS WOULD DEFEND SOMEBODY ELSE' S RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES OR SOME NATION' S RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. AND SUDDENLY IT' S ALL MIXED UP. THE HOUSE, BY A VOTE OF 3- 1, HAS SENT US A MESSAGE AND SENT THE WORLD A MESSAGE. AND I KNOW IT' S TOUGH FOR THE BRITISH AND IT' S TOUGH FOR THE FRENCH. AND I' VE TALKED TO THE PRIME MINISTER, AND I' VE TALKED TO THE PRESIDENT OF FRANCE. AND THEY ARE OUR ALLIES AND THEY' RE OUR FRIENDS, AND WE' VE BEEN THEIR FRIENDS IN TOUGH, TOUGH, TOUGH TIMES. AND WE' VE PROVIDED THE MEN AND THE MANPOWER AND THE MONEY AND THE WEAPONS. NOW, THERE' S BEEN A LOT OF EFFORTS TO MUDDY THE WATER AND SAY, " BOY, IF YOU DO THIS, YOU' RE GOING TO AMERICANIZE THE WAR." NOW, THAT' S ONE I CAN' T FATHOM. I' VE TALKED TO SENATOR MCCAIN ABOUT IT. I DON' T KNOW HOW YOU AMERICANIZE THE WAR IF YOU WITHDRAW THE PROTECTION FORCES AND LIFT THE ARMS EMBARGO. THE DEMOCRATIC LEADER SAID, AS SURE AS THAT HAPPENS, THERE ARE GOING TO BE AMERICAN TROOPS THERE. WHO SAID SO? I ASSUME THE PRESIDENT WOULD COME TO CONGRESS. THEY' RE NOT ASKING US TO DIE FOR BOSNIA. THEY' RE ASKING US TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AND THEY' LL DO THE DYING FOR THEIR COUNTRY. THEY' RE NOT ASKING FOR AMERICAN GROUND TROOPS. OH, THEY' D LIKE SOME AIR COVER, BUT THEY' RE NOT EVEN ASKING FOR THAT. SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE AMENDMENT BEFORE US IS VERY IMPORTANT. THIS AMENDMENT DOES NOT PROHIBIT U. S. ASSISTANCE TO BOSNIA -- MILITARY OR FINANCIAL. BUT I WOULD SAY, SINCE THE PROPONENTS OF SOVIET- STYLE WEAPONRY, WHICH IS WHAT THE BOSNIANS USE, CERTAINLY WE WOULD NOT BE PROVIDING THE BULK OF THE ARMS. BUT I THINK WE CAN FIND SOME CONSENSUS IF WE PASS THIS RESOLUTION AND IF A VETO IS OVERRIDDEN. AND THIS AMENDMENT ALSO DOES NOT PREVENT THE UNITED STATES FROM SEEKING A MULTILATERAL LIFTING OF THE ARMS EMBARGO IN THE U. N. SECURITY COUNCIL. I DON' T HAPPEN TO BELIEVE THAT THE AMENDMENT BY THE SENATOR FROM GEORGIA IS NECESSARY. I KNOW HE' S OFFERED IT IN GOOD FAITH, JUST AS HE DID OFFER AN AMENDMENT LAST AUGUST IN GOOD FAITH. BUT I DON' T BELIEVE IT' S NECESSARY. I DON' T THINK IT DETRACTS MUCH FROM THE RESOLUTION, IT DOESN' T ADD MUCH TO THE RESOLUTION. BUT ON AUGUST 10, 1994, PRESIDENT CLINTON SENT A LETTER TO THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM GEORGIA, WHICH STATED -- AND I QUOTE -- " I AM WRITING TO REAFFIRM MY ADMINISTRATION' S SUPPORT FOR LIFTING THE INTERNATIONAL ARMS EMBARGO ON BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA. IT HAS BEEN MY LONG- HELD VIEW THAT THE ARMS EMBARGO IS UNFAIRLY AND UNINTENTIONALLY PENALIZED THE VICTIM IN THIS CONFLICT AND THE SECURITY COUNCIL SHOULD ACT TO REMEDY THIS INJUSTICE." THAT WAS PRESIDENT CLINTON' S STATEMENT A YEAR AGO. ABOUT LIFTING THE ARMS EMBARGO. THE LETTER GOES ON TO STATE, " IN THIS REGARD, IF BY OCTOBER 15" -- THIS WAS LAST YEAR -- " THE BOSNIAN SERBS HAD NOT ACCEPTED THE CONTACT YPOUP' S PROPOSAL 6 JULY 6, 1994" -- WHICH I MIGHT ADD THE BOSNIANS DID ACCEPT -- " IT WOULD BE MY INTENTION WITHIN TWO WEEKS TO INTRODUCE FORMALLY AND SUPPORT A RESOLUTION AT THE UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL TO TERMINATE THE ARMS EMBARGO ON BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA. FURTHER, AS MY ADMINISTRATION HAS INDICATED PREVIOUSLY, IF THE SECURITY COUNCIL FOR SOME REASON FAILS TO PASS SUCH A RESOLUTION WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME, IT WOULD BE MY INTENTION TO CONSULT WITH THE CONGRESS THEREAFTER REGARDING UNILATERAL TERMINATION OF THE ARMS EMBARGO." THOSE ARE ALL PRESIDENT CLINTON' S WORDS. I BELIEVE THAT NINE MONTHS IS MORE THAN A REASONABLE TIME. OF ALL THE ATROCITIES, ALL THE THINGS WE' VE WITNESSED, AS THE DEMOCRATIC LEADER -- AND I LISTENED TO THE DEMOCRATIC LEADER LAST NIGHT ON C- SPAN, AND I' VE LISTENED TO OTHER -- I LISTENED TO THE REMARKABLE STATEMENT MADE BY THE SENATOR FROM DELAWARE LAST EVENING, SENATOR BIDEN. AND MANY, MANY OTHERS ON BOTH SIDE OF THE AISLE. I' VE LISTENED TO SENATOR WARNER FROM VIRGINIA WHO' S HAD A DIFFERENT VIEW OF THIS ISSUE UP UNTIL NOW. AND HE' S TOLD US IN VERY VIVID TERMS WHY HE NOW HOLDS THE VIEW THAT THE GREAT MAJORITY DO. SO I WOULD JUST ASK THE QUESTION: IS IS IT LEADERSHIP TO SAY, " WELL, WE' VE GOT A FAILED POLICY BUT WE' VE GOT TO STICK TO IT AND WE SHOULDN' T PERSUADE OUR ALLIES THAT IT' S A FAILED POLICY. IT MIGHT BE EMBARRASSING FOR THE BRITISH TO HAVE TO LEAVE. OR IT MIGHT BE EMBARRASSING FOR THE FRENCH TO HAVE TO LEAVE." AND AMERICA IS GOING TO BE BLAMED IF THEY LEAVE. WELL, WE' RE BEING BLAMED RIGHT NOW. WE' RE BEING BLAMED RIGHT NOW. AS I SAID, WE MAY BE BLAMED MORE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS FOR WHAT DIDN' T HAPPEN. SO, I WOULD JUST CONCLUDE BY SAYING THIS IS NOT -- THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN DISCUSSION. IT' S NOT A PARTISAN DEBATE. IT' S NOT ABOUT DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS. IT' S NOT ABOUT PHILOSOPHY. IT' S NOT ABOUT POLITICS. IT' S ABOUT WHETHER SOME SMALL COUNTRY THAT' S BEEN RAVAGED ON ALL SIDES, PILLAGED, WOMEN RAPED, CHILDREN KILLED, DO THEY HAVE ANY RIGHTS IN THIS WORLD? DO THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY TO THESE BIG COUNTRIES, LIKE FRANCE AND GREAT BRITAIN AND AMERICA THAT IT' S TIME TO GO? LET US FIGHT AND DIE FOR OURSELVES. THAT' S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. THEY' VE SAID OUR AMENDMENT IS SIMPLE. IT IS SIMPLE. THAT' S WHAT IT DOES. AND MAYBE I MISSED SOMETHING IN MY LIFETIME. BUT, I NEVER MISSED THE POINT THAT PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. AND IF WE STAND IN THEIR WAY, AND IF MORE ARE KILLED AND MORE ARE RAPED AND MORE LITTLE BOYS ARE TAKEN OFF TO CAMPS, 12 YEARS OLD, AND MORE HANGED IN TREES AND MORE THROATS ARE CUT, BECAUSE WE IMPOSE OUR WILL ON THIS LITTLE COUNTRY, SAY, YOU CAN' T DO THIS BECAUSE WE DON' T WANT YOU TO DO THIS, IT' S THEIR COUNTRY, THEIR LIVES, THEIR BLOOD, I THINK IT' S TIME FOR A CHANGE IN POLICY. AND I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD HAVE A RESOUNDING VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE DOLE- LIEBERMAN RESOLUTION. AND I WANT TO CONGRATULATE AND COMMEND MY FRIEND FROM CONNECTICUT FOR HIS TIRELESS EFFORTS, NONPARTISAN, GOING BACK -- I THINK WE' VE WORKED TOGETHER A YEAR AND A HALF ON THIS ISSUE, WITHOUT ANY DISAGREEMENT, NEVER TALKING ABOUT THE POLITICAL ADVANTAGE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT POLITICS. IT' S ABOUT LIFE OR DEATH FOR A LITTLE COUNTRY. I' D ASK MY ENTIRE STATEMENT BE MADE A PART OF THE RECORD.

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  • 02:02:00 PM

    Senate Vote 329 - On the Amendment (Cohen Amendment No 1851)

    To require the United States to bring the issue of the termination of the arms embargo of Bosnia and Herzeqovina to the General Assembly for a decision if the United Nations Security Council fails to gain unanimity to adopt a resolution to terminate the arms embargo.

    Amendment Agreed to (57 - 41)
    Yea
    Nay

    Vote Details: Yea - 56
    Republican - 39
    Democratic - 17

    Vote Details: Nay - 40
    Democratic - 28
    Republican - 12

    Vote Details: Not Voting - 2
    Democratic - 1
    Republican - 1

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION. THE QUESTION IS ON THE SECOND- DEGREE AMENDMENT BY THE…

    WITHOUT OBJECTION. THE QUESTION IS ON THE SECOND- DEGREE AMENDMENT BY THE SENATOR FROM MAINE TO THE AMENDMENT. IS THERE A SUFFICIENT SECOND? THERE APPEARS TO BE SO. THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.

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    Senate Vote 330 - On the Amendment (Nunn Amendment No 1848 as amended)

    To reiterate statement of the Contract Group that lifting the embargo is unavoidable if Serbs persist on current course and urges the President to introduce a United Nations resolution to lift Bosnian arms embargo multilaterally.

    Amendment Agreed to (75 - 23)
    Yea
    Nay

    Vote Details: Yea - 74
    Democratic - 36
    Republican - 38

    Vote Details: Nay - 22
    Democratic - 9
    Republican - 13

    Vote Details: Not Voting - 2
    Democratic - 1
    Republican - 1

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: ARE THERE ANY OTHER SENATORS WISHING TO VOTE? IF NOT, THE COHEN…

    OFFICER: ARE THERE ANY OTHER SENATORS WISHING TO VOTE? IF NOT, THE COHEN AMENDMENT NUMBER 1851 RECEIVED 57 AYE VOTES, 41 NAY VOTES. AND THE AMENDMENT IS ADOPTED.

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  • 02:26:39 PM

    MR. DOLE

    RECONSIDER THE VOTE. A SENATOR: LAY IT ON THE TABLE.

  • 02:26:44 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE MAJORITY LEADER.

  • 02:26:48 PM

    MR. DOLE

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    IS THERE A SUFFICIENT SECOND? THERE APPEARS SO. THE CLERK WILL CALL THE…

    IS THERE A SUFFICIENT SECOND? THERE APPEARS SO. THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.

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  • 02:27:05 PM

    MR. DOLE

    MINUTE VOTES. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION. THE

  • 02:27:06 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE VOTE OCCURS ON AMENDMENT…

    WITHOUT OBJECTION. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE VOTE OCCURS ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 1848 AS AMENDED, OFFERED BY THE SENATOR FROM GEORGIA, MR. NUNN.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: THE VOTE OCCURS ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 1848 AS AMENDED,…

    PRESIDING OFFICER: THE VOTE OCCURS ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 1848 AS AMENDED, OFFERED BY THE SENATOR FROM GEORGIA, MR. NUNN. THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.

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  • 02:41:00 PM

    Senate Vote 331 - On Passage of the Bill (s21 as amended)

    Bosnia and Herzegovina Self-Defense Act of 1995

    Bill Passed (69 - 29)
    Yea
    Nay

    Vote Details: Yea - 67
    Democratic - 21
    Republican - 46

    Vote Details: Nay - 29
    Republican - 5
    Democratic - 24

    Vote Details: Not Voting - 2
    Democratic - 1
    Republican - 1

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THERE ARE 57 YEAS, 23 NAYS. THE AMENDMENT AS AMENDED HAS BEEN AGREED TO.…

    THERE ARE 57 YEAS, 23 NAYS. THE AMENDMENT AS AMENDED HAS BEEN AGREED TO. THE QUESTION NOW OCCURS ON THE DOLE AMENDMENT, NUMBER 1801, AS AMENDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT WILL SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE YEAS AND NAYS HAVE BEEN ORDERED. THE CLERK WILL READ THE BILL FOR THE THIRD TIME.

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    THE CLERK

    A BILL TO TERMINATE THE UNITED STATES ARMS EMBARGO APPLICABLE TO THE…

    A BILL TO TERMINATE THE UNITED STATES ARMS EMBARGO APPLICABLE TO THE GOVERNMENT OF BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA.

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  • 02:41:51 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE YEAS AND NAYS HAVE BEEN ORDERED. THE QUESTION OCCURS ON THE PASS ACT.…

    THE YEAS AND NAYS HAVE BEEN ORDERED. THE QUESTION OCCURS ON THE PASS ACT. BILL AS AMENDED. DED RECEIVES L CALL THE ROLL. 69 AYES VOTES, 29 NAY. THE BILL IS PASSED. WITHOUT OBJECTION.

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  • 02:56:30 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA. THE CHAIR…

    OFFICER: THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE MAJORITY LEADER.

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  • 02:56:37 PM

    MR. DOLE

    I CALL FOR THE REGULAR ORDER, WITH RESPECT TO S. 641.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL REPORT.

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    THE CLERK

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    MR. WARNER

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    MR. PRESIDENT, THROUGHOUT --

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    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, THROUGHOUT --

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR WILL SUCCESS SPED $ SPEND A MOMENT. WILL THE SENATE…

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR WILL SUCCESS SPED $ SPEND A MOMENT. WILL THE SENATE COME TO ORDER. LET' S TAKE OUR CONVERSATIONS TO THE CLOAKROOM. THE SENATOR -- THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA.

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  • 02:57:19 PM

    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST WAIRB TO SHARE WITH THE SENATE THE MANY ACCOLADES I'…

    MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST WAIRB TO SHARE WITH THE SENATE THE MANY ACCOLADES I' VE HEARD PAID TO THE DISTINGUISHED MAJORITY LEADER FOR HIS LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS. HE' S BEEN UNWAIVERING IN HIS DETERMINE NAIRKS TOGETHER WITH OUR DISTINGUISHED COLLEAGUE, THE JUNIOR SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT, MR. LIEBERMAN. AND TOGETHER WITH STRONG STAFF SUPPORT PROVIDED BY MARADO, WHO HAS WORKED ON THIS TIRELESSLY NOW FOR YEARS, RANDY SHUTTLEMAN, RON MARKS, JOHN LILY, THE STAFF OF SENATOR LIEBERMAN AND MRS. AINSLEY ON MY STAFF, TOGETHER WE' VE BEEN ABLE TO PRESENT THIS IN A VERY FAIR AND OBJECTIVE AND NONPARTISAN WAY. AND I WISH TO EXTEND MY APPRECIATION TO THOSE STAFF MEMBERS AND TO THE DISTINGUISHED MAJORITY LEADER AND THE SENATOR FROM CONGRESS CON. I YIELD THE FLOOR. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS.

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    MR. KENNEDY

    MR. PRESIDENT, AS I UNDERSTAND FROM THE LEADER -- FROM THE CLERK -- THAT…

    MR. PRESIDENT, AS I UNDERSTAND FROM THE LEADER -- FROM THE CLERK -- THAT WE ARE NOW ON THE REAUTHORIZATION OF THE RYAN WHITE BILL. AM I CORRECT?

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  • 02:58:38 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR IS CORRECT.

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    MR. KENNEDY

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    MR. KENNEDY

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    MRS. FEINSTEIN

    THE SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA.

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    MRS. FEINSTEIN

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS. MRS. KASSEBAUM: MR. PRESIDENT,…

    PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS. MRS. KASSEBAUM: MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK THE SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA, SENATOR FEINSTEIN FOR A VERY THOUGHTFUL STATEMENT.

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    FROM KANSAS. MRS. KASSEBAUM: MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK THE…

    FROM KANSAS. MRS. KASSEBAUM: MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK THE SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA, SENATOR FEINSTEIN FOR A VERY THOUGHTFUL STATEMENT. THE REASONS THAT SHE LAID OUT, WHY THERE SHOULD BE SUPPORT FOR THIS LEGISLATION, I THINK WERE PARTICULARLY ELOQUENT. AND I APPRECIATE HER COMMENTS. THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA, SENATOR HELMS HAD SOME AMENDMENTS THAT HE WISHED TO OFFER. SENATOR BYRD HAS REQUESTED ABOUT TEN MINUTES AS IF IN MORNING BUSINESS, AND I THINK AS LONG AS SENATOR HELMS ISN' T HERE, BUT I AM PREPARED TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT AS SOON AS SENATOR BYRD FINISHES IF INDEED SENATOR HELMS ISN' T HERE, BUT I THINK HE IS READY TO GO AS WELL. I WOULD ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT FOR SENATOR BYRD TO SPEAK AS IF IN MORNING BUSINESS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    MR. BYRD

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM WEST VIRGINIA. MR. BYRD: MR. PRESIDENT, I THATCH THE…

    THE SENATOR FROM WEST VIRGINIA. MR. BYRD: MR. PRESIDENT, I THATCH THE CHAIR AND I THANK THE VERY DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM KANSAS, MY FRIEND, SENATOR KASSEBAUM, FOR HER COURTESY AND KINDNESS.

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  • 03:12:58 PM

    MR. BYRD

    I THATCH THE CHAIR AND I THANK THE VERY DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM KANSAS,…

    I THATCH THE CHAIR AND I THANK THE VERY DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM KANSAS, MY FRIEND, SENATOR KASSEBAUM, FOR HER COURTESY AND KINDNESS. TODAY' S " NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTS THAT IS U. N. SECRETARY- GENERAL, MR. BOUTROS BOUTROS- GHALI WOULD VETO NATO AIRSTRIKES. SECRETARY OF STATE CHRISTOPHER HAS WRITTEN TO ME TO CLARIFY THE DECISION THAT IS WERE MADE IN BRUSSELS. IN HIS LETTER SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER STATED THAT THE NORTH ATLANTIC COUNSEL APPROVED DETAIL PLANNING FOR THE USE OF SUBSTANTIAL NATO AIR POWER TO DETER OR RESPOND TO BOSNIAN SERB A TABS ON THE U. N. SAFE AREA OF GORAZDE. THESE PLANS INCLUDE A BROADER RANGE OF OPTIONS FOR COMMANDER WHO FOR THE FIRST TIME WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE A NATO AIR POWER WITHIN A WIDE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA AGAINST TARGETS THAT MAY POSE A THREAT TO THE SAFE AREA. SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER GOES ON TO SAY OF EQUAL IMPORTANCE, NATO MILITARY AUTHORITIES WERE INSTRUCTED TO FORMULATE PLANS FOR PROTECTING OTHER SAFE AREAS, PARTICULARLY BIHAC. ON THE BASIS OF THE NEW A PREACH ADOPTED FOR GORAZDE, THESE STEPS, WHICH CON FIRM DECISIONS TAKEN IN LONDON, REFLECT UNANIMOUS ALLIED ENDORSEMENT OF THE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THE DUAL KEY PREVIOUSLY IN EFFECT. REINFORCING SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER' S LETTER THE SECRETARY- GENERAL HAS RELEASED A STATEMENT THAT DELEGATES THE AUTHORITY FOR AIRSTRIKES TO THE MILITARY COMMANDERS ON THE GROUND. IN HIS PRESS STATEMENT, THE SECRETARY- GENERAL SAYS AND I QUOTE OH, " ON THE QUESTION OF THE DUAL KEY, THE RELEVANT SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS CALL FOR CLOSE COORDINATION BETWEEN THE UNITED NATIONS AND NATO ON THE USE OF NATO AIR POWER AND THIS IS REFLECTED IN THE NATO DECISION. IN ORDER TO STREAMLINE DECISION- TAKING WITHIN THE U. N. CHAIN OF COMMAND WHEN THE USE OF AIR POWER IS DEEMED TO BE NECESSARY, THE SECRETARY- GENERAL HAS DECIDED TO DELEGATE THE NECESSARY AUTHORITY IN THIS RESPECT TO HIS MILITARY COMMANDERS IN THE FIELD. MR. PRESIDENT, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE NORTH ATLANTIC COUNCIL DECISION GREED UPON LAST NIGHT, AND IS A MAJOR STEP FORWARD. AS A RESULT OF A MEETING CONDUCTED LAST FRIDAY IN LONDON AND IMPLEMENTED BY THE NORTH ATLANTIC COUNCIL OF NATO LAST NIGHT IN BRUSSELS, NATO HAS MADE A DECISION TO TAKE NEW POSITIVE ACTION IN BOSNIA TO DETER AND RETALIATE AGAINST BOSNIAN SERB AGGRESSION, AGAINST AT LEAST THE U. N. DESIGNATED SAFE AREAS OF GORAZDE AND SARAJEVO. ALREADY FRENCH AND BRITISH TROOPS HAVE TAKEN ACTION TO FORCEFULLY REOPEN THE GROUND ROUTE FOR HUMANITARIAN SUPPLIES INTO SARAJEVO. THE NATO MILITARY COMMAND IS ESTABLISHING THE COMMAND AND CONTROL LINKS AND DECISION- MAKING RULES TO GUIDE NATO OPERATIONS IN BOSNIA, IN FULFILLMENT OF THE DECISION SO RECENTLY MADE. THE NEW DECISION- MAKING PROCESS WHO ELIMINATE THE VETO THAT HAS BEEN EXERCISED REGULARLY BY U. N. POLITICAL AUTHORITIES, FRUSTRATING TIMELY AND STRONG ALLIED ACTION. THE SECRETARY- GENERAL HAS AGREED WITH THIS DECISION. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT NEW DEVELOPMENT, OF VITAL CHANGE IN THE MILITARY EQUATION. IT IS CRITICAL TO THE SUCCESS OF ALLIANCE MILITARY OPERATIONS IN BOSNIA. OUR NATO ALLIES HAVE COME TO THIS CONSENSUS PARTIALLY AT THE BEHEST OF THE UNITED STATES, WHICH HAS URGED MORE FORCEFUL ACTION AGAINST THE BOSNIAN SERB FORCES. THIS DECISION TO RETALIATE WHICH HAS BEEN FORCEFULLY COMMUNICATED TO THE BOSS THAN SERB MILITARY COMMANDER BY ATRY OWE OF U. S. UNITED KINGDOM AND FRENCH GENERALS, COMMITS NATO TO PUNISHING IN DISPROPORTIONATE AIRSTRIKES AGAINST ANY BOSNIAN SERB FACILITY OR FORMATION ANYWHERE IN BOSNIA INCLUDING SERB HEADQUARTERS AND COMMAND AND CONTROL CENTERS SHOULD THE BOSNIAN SERBS ATTEMPT TO YOFER RUN GORAZDE. THE NEED TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS AND THESE THREATS CREDIBLE REQUIRES THE ELIMINATION OF THE DUAL KEY TO AUTHORIZING AIRSTRIKES. THIS DUAL KEY PROCESS, WHICH HAS REQUIRED BOTH NATO AN U. N. POLITICAL AUTHORITIES TO AUTHORIZE AIRSTRIKES HAS GUTTED THE EFFECTIVENESS OF PREVIOUS NATO AIRSTRIKES UNDERTAKEN TO PUNISH THE SERBS FOR ACTIONS AGAINST THE U. N. PROTECTION FORCES OR BOSNIAN CIVILIAN. THE DECISION- MAKING PROCESS HAS BEEN FAR TOO SLOW AND HAS BEEN BURDENED WITH ADDED REQUIREMENTS TO NOTIFY THE TARGETS OF THE INTENDED STRIKE TO STRIKE AT PREARRANGED TIMES AND STRIKE AT TARGETS THAT DO NOT DISPROPORTIONATELY PUNISH THE SERBIAN FORCES. THESE RESTRICTIONS ARE MILITARYRYLY FOOLISH AND SERVE TO SET UP NATO FORCES AS TARTS FOR SERB ANTIAIRCRAFT FIRE AS THEY COME IN OVER PREANNOUNCED TARTS AS SPECIFIED TIMES. ALLIED AIR POWER IN BOSNIA HAS BEEN REDUCED TO A FARCE BY THE MISGUIDED POLITICAL CALCULATIONS OF U. N. CIVILIAN OFFICIALS OF THE THESE RESTRICTIONS DO NOT PERTAIN TO THE RETALIATIONS THAT HAS BEEN OUTLINED FOR NATO. NATO RETALL YEAH TORE AIRSTRIKES WILL BE SWIFT, UNANNOUNCED AND DIRECTED AT TARTS OF NATO' S CHOOSING ENCOMPASSING ANY BOSNIAN SERB MILITARY FACILITY OR FORMATION. THE STRIKES WILL BE DISPROPORTIONATE AND MASSIVE RATHER THAN THE PINPRICKS THAT HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED IN THE PAST. NATO HAS RESOLVED TO CONTINUE TO PUNISH THE SERBS EVEN IF THEY RESORT DEN AGAIN TO SUCH DASTARDLY TACTICS AS USING U. N. PERSONNEL OR SHIELDS TO PROTECT MILITARY THAT SITS. REGARDING MILITARY ACTION IN THE FACE OF HOSTAGE TAKING, THE PRESUMPTION OUT RIND IN THE NATO DECISION IS THAT OPERATIONS WILL GO FORWARD. ACCORDING TO THE NORTH ATLANTIC COUNCIL DECISIONS LAST NIGHT THE STRIKES WILL TAKE PLACE WHEN NATO AND U. N. MILITARY COMMANDER, NOT CIVILIAN AUTHORITIES, DETERMINE THAT SERB PREPARATIONS POSE A THREAT TO GORAZDE. THE CHAIN OF COMMAND STOPS AT THE MILITARY LEVEL, NOT AT THE POLITICAL LEVEL, ACCORDING TO THE NORTH ATLANTIC COUNCIL DECISION DOCUMENT. UNDER THE DEAL KEY PROCESS, U. N. CIVILIANS ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE MILITARY DECISIONS WHICH HAS NOT AND NEVER MADE MILITARY SENSE. WHUPS A DECISION HAS BEEN MADE BY CIVILIAN AUTHORITIES TO CARRY OUT AIRSTRIKES, MILITARY COMMANDER SHOULD BE AND MUST BE TRUSTED TO CARRY OUT THAT DECISION IN THE MOST EFFECTIVE MANNER. AND IN A MANNER THAT BEST PROTECT THEIR AIR STRIKING FORCES. NATO COMMANDERS MUST BE GIVEN THE FREEDOM OF ACTION TO MAKE JUDGMENTS THAT STRIKE AT TARGETS POSING THE GREATEST DANGER TO NATO AND THOSE TARGETS THAT INFLICT THE GREATEST DAMAGE TO SERB FORCES. THIS IS WHAT IS NECESSARY TO LET SERB FORCES KNOW THIS TIME THE ALLIED FORCES MEAN BUSINESS. PEACENIKS AT THE U. N. CANNOT BE AN ALLOWED TO OVERTURN MILITARY OPTIONS TO THE TRAGEDY IN BOSNIA. NEW YORK SHOULD BE OUT OF THE BOSNIA LOOP. AT THE U. N. POLITICAL ENTANGLEMENTS ALSO ENTANGLE MILITARY OPERATIONS. ASIDE FROM DECISIONS BEING MADE BY U. N. CIVILIANS WITH LITTLE OR NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE. OPPORTUNITIES EXIST FOR BOSNIAN SERBS SUPPORTERS TO UNDERMINE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF NAY TOY AIRSTRIKES. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE RUSSIANS ARE OPPOSED TO THE NATO DECISION TO UNDERTAKE AIRSTRIKES AGAINST THE BOSNIAN SERB FORCES, BUT THIS IS UNDERSTANDABLE. RUSSIA HAS ANCIENT ADVERTISE TO THE SERBS AND BOTH SERBIA AND BOSNIA, ADVERTISE OF RELIGION AND OF HISTORY. BUT RUSSIA WITH ITS VOTE ON THE U. N. SECURITY COUNCIL SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO JEOPARDIZE NATO DECISIONS ANDSS THE RUSSIA WAS AT LEAST, NOT YET, A MEMBER OF NATO. I RESPECT THE VIEW OF THOSE WHO WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE RUSSIAN CONCERNS IN THIS MATTER, BUT I VENTURE TO SURMISE THE RUSSIANS WOULD NOT ALLOW A CONSIDERATION OF NATO' S VIEWS TO HANDCUFF DECISIONS MADE IN ACTIONS TAKEN BY RUSSIAN MILITARY FORCES REGARDLESS OF THE VOICE AND VETO OF NATO MEMBERS ON THE U. N. SECURITY COUNCIL. I BELIEVE THAT DIFFERENCES OVER THE PASSAGE OF THE BILL LIFTING THE ARMS EMBARGO ASIDE ASIDE, THE MEMBERS OF THIS BODY ARE UNITED IN OPPOSITION TO THE EXISTING AND CUMBERSOME DUAL KEY DECISION- MAKING PROCESS. THERE HAS BEEN A CRITICAL ELEMENT IN THE FAILURE OF THE U. N. OPERATION IN BOSNIA, AND IT HAS BEEN A CRITICAL ELEMENT IN THE FAILURE OF PREVIOUS NATO ATTEMPTS TO SHORE UP OPERATIONS IN BOSNIA. IF THE ACTION TAKEN TO LIFT THE EMBARGO LEADS TO THE DEPARTURE OF THE U. N., OR OUR EUROPEAN ALLIES FROM BOSNIA, WITH ALL OF THE DANGER THAT OPERATION MIGHT ENTAIL, THE ELIMINATION OF THIS DUAL KEY BECOMES EVEN MORE IMPORTANT. IF THE U. S. PARTICIPATES IN THE WITHDRAWAL AS PRESIDENT CLINTON HAS SUGGESTED, I BELIEVE ALL WOULD AGREE THAT WE DO NOT WANT THE U. N. IN A POSITION TO CRIMP NATO' S ABILITY TO REACT. THE SECRETARY- GENERAL' S STATEMENT IS AN ENDORSEMENT OF A MAJOR CHANGE IN THE WAY NATO DOES BUSINESS IN BOSNIA. IT WILL PERMIT ALLIED AIRPORT POWER TO DO WHAT IT IS DESIGNED TO DO, CHARACTERIZED BY THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS FROM THE NATO SECRETARY- GENERAL, WHICH IS THAT THIS IS A STRONG FEELING AMONG ALLIES THAT SUCH OPERATIONS, ONCE THEY ARE LAUNCHED, WOULD NOT LIKELY BE DISCONTINUED IN. IN THE FACE OF INHERENT STRIKE THE ALLIANCE IS DETERMINED. MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO INSERT CERTAIN PERTINENT MATERIALS IN THE RECORD.

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  • 03:22:34 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

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    MR. BYRD

    MR. PRESIDENT? I SEE OUR COLLEAGUE FROM CALIFORNIA ON THE FLOOR. I…

    MR. PRESIDENT? I SEE OUR COLLEAGUE FROM CALIFORNIA ON THE FLOOR. I UNDERSTAND SHE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE SENATE.

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  • 03:23:10 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA.

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    MRS. BOXER

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    MRS. MURRAY

    PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS.

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    MRS. MURRAY

    WE HAD MANY OF THE OPENING STATEMENTS ON FRIDAY AND ARE PREPARED TO MOVE…

    WE HAD MANY OF THE OPENING STATEMENTS ON FRIDAY AND ARE PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AMENDMENTS NOW. THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA, MR. HELMS, AS SUGGESTED I GO AHEAD WITH AN AMENDMENT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEND IT TO THE DESK AND ASK FOR ITS IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION.

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  • 03:32:45 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE AMENDMENT.

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    THE CLERK

    SENATOR FROM KANSAS, MRS. KASSEBAUM, PROPOSES AN AMENDMENT NUMBERED 1852.

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MRS. KASSEBAUM: MR. PRESIDENT, I…

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MRS. KASSEBAUM: MR. PRESIDENT, I RISE TO OFFER THIS AMENDMENT ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND SENATOR KENNEDY, THE RANKING MEMBER OF THE LABOR AND HUMAN RESOURCES COMMITTEE.

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  • 03:32:59 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

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    MR. KENNEDY

    THE SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS.

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    MR. KENNEDY

    MR. PRESIDENT, I RISE IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THE AMENDMENT PUT FORWARD BY…

    MR. PRESIDENT, I RISE IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THE AMENDMENT PUT FORWARD BY THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS. IT REPRESENTS A RESPONSIBLE APPROACH TO AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. I' M PLEASED WE' RE TAKING ACTION ON IT AT THE OUTSET OF THIS DEBATE. THE " CARE" ACT IS ABOUT PROVIDING HEALTH CARE AND HOPE TO PEOPLE LIVING WITH H. I. V. DISEASE AND ABOUT MAKING THE PROMISE OF ADVANCES IN BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH A REALITY IN LIVES FOR OUR FELLOW AMERICANS IN NEED. RESEARCH HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE TRANSMISSION OF H. I. V. FROM MOTHER TO CHILD BY PROVIDING H. I. V.- POSITIVE PREGNANT WOMEN WITH A. Z. T. DURING THE SECOND OR THIRD TRY MUSTERS OF PREGNANCY AND DURING DELIVERY. IN SO DOING, WE CAN SAVE YOUNG LIVES AND HELP KEEP FAMILIES TOGETHER. IN RESPONSE TO THIS IMPORTANT DISCOVERY, PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS, CHILD CARE AND HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS HAVE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL TO DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR STANDARDS OF MEDICAL PRACTICE THAT WILL HELP TO MAXIMIZE THE IMPACT OF THIS DISCOVERY. EARLIER THIS MONTH, THE C. D. C. ISSUED GUIDELINES RECOMMENDING THAT ALL PREGNANT WOMEN RECEIVE COUNSELING ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF SEEKING H. I. V. TESTING AND THAT SUCH TESTING BE MADE AVAILABLE ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS. WHERE THIS IS CURRENTLY BEING DONE, MORE THAN 95% OF THE WOMEN HAVE SOUGHT VOLUNTARY H. I. V. TESTING. AND I THINK THAT IS REALLY THE HEART OF THIS WHOLE AMENDMENT THAT SENATOR KASSEBAUM HAS TALKED ABOUT. WE HAVE A NATIONWIDE PROBLEM. THE AMENDMENT IS FOCUSED IN THE AREAS WHERE THERE' S THE GREATEST NEED AND HAS ENCOURAGED BY VOLUNTARY THE COUNSELING SO THAT WE' LL GET THE VOLUNTARY TESTING AND WHERE WE HAVE HAD THE APPROPRIATE KIND OF COUNSELING THAT' S CONSISTENT WITH THE C. D. C. GUIDELINES, YOU GET 95%, EVEN HIGHER PERCENTAGE. DR. KOOP, WHO' S BEEN WORKING IN THIS AREA, TALKS ABOUT AREAS IN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE AS UPWARDS TO 98%, WHICH IS WHAT OBVIOUSLY WE ARE INTERESTED IN DOING. IF EFFECTIVELY IMPLEMENTED, THE GUIDELINES WILL MAKE A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE. SO THE AMENDMENT OFFERED BY THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS WILL ENSURE THAT THESE GUIDELINES ARE IMPLEMENTED IN THOSE STATES WITH THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS. WE KNOW THAT MORE THAN 80% OF THE CASES OF PEDIATRIC AIDS OCCUR IN 11 STATES, INCLUDING MY OWN STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS. THE SENATOR' S AMENDMENT WILL ENSURE ACTION BY THESE STATES, AUTHORIZES FUNDS TO ASSIST THEM WITH THAT ACTION. THIS APPROACH IS SUPPORTED BY THE ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS, THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, THE MARCH OF DIMES, THE GOVERNORS, THE STATE HEALTH OFFICES, THE STATE AIDS DIRECTORS, THE PEDIATRIC AIDS FOUNDATION, AND A HOST OF OTHER HEALTH, PUBLIC HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS. WE TALKED WITH DR. KOOP YESTERDAY, WHO STRONGLY SUPPORTED THIS ACTION AS THE MOST RESPONSIBLE MEANS OF MOVING TOWARDS THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE. SO, MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD URGE THE SENATE TO ACCEPT IT. I THINK WHAT WE HAVE FOUND OUT IN THE WHOLE BATTLE ON AIDS IS WHERE WE WORK TOWARDS ENCOURAGEMENT AND WORK WITH CONSULTATION AND COUNSELING, WE GET A VERY POSITIVE RESPONSE. AND THAT IS WHAT THIS PARTICULAR MEASURE DOES. IF WE WERE TO COME BACK IN IN A MORE COMPULSIVE SITUATION, WHICH HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED BY OTHERS, WHAT HAS HAPPENED AND THE DATA REFLECTS THIS, IS THAT THERE IS LESS OF A DESIRE AND WILLINGNESS TO MOVE AHEAD AND GET THE -- AND THE TEST. THIS, I THINK, MAKES SENSE FROM A PUBLIC HEALTH POINT OF VIEW AND MAKES PARTICULAR SENSE WITH REGARDS TO THE CHILDREN AND IT MAKES SENSE FROM A SCARCE RESOURCE POINT OF VIEW. SO I COMMEND THE SENATOR FOR THIS AMENDMENT, URGE ITS ADOPTION. I THINK IT' S A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ONE. IT' S A RESULT OF THE RESEARCH THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON AT THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL. WE HAVE 7, 000 INFANTS THAT ARE BORN EACH YEAR THAT ARE H. I. V. THREE- QUARTERS OF THOSE WILL BE FREE ON THEIR OWN WITHIN ABOUT A YEAR OR A YEAR AND A HALF FROM T. BUT AS THE SENATOR' S AMENDMENT POINTS OUT, WITH THE ADDITION OF A. Z. T. TREATMENT, THAT NUMBER COMES DOWN TO ONLY ABOUT 8%. SO THE WAY THAT THE SENATOR HAS PROPOSED I THINK MAXIMIZES THE OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP AND ASSIST THE INFANTS AND ALSO WILL GET THE MOST POSITIVE RESPONSE AND DO IT IN A WAY WHICH IS FINANCIALLY MOST RESPONSIBLE. AND I JUST COMMEND HER FOR THIS APPROACH AND URGE OUR COLLEAGUES TO ACCEPT THIS AMENDMENT.

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  • 03:41:57 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    IS THERE FURTHER DEBATE ON THE AMENDMENT? THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA.

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    MR. HELMS

    I THANK THE CHAIR. MR. PRESIDENT, I DON' T KNOW HOW ANYBODY COULD OPPOSE…

    I THANK THE CHAIR. MR. PRESIDENT, I DON' T KNOW HOW ANYBODY COULD OPPOSE THIS AMENDMENT. I CERTAINLY SUPPORT IT. AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD EXPEDITE THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS BILL BY LETTING ALL AMENDMENTS POSSIBLE BE APPROVED ON A VOICE VOTE. AND NOT GET INTO ANY SECOND- GREG. I' M NOT GOING TO SECOND- DEGREE ANYBODY' S AMENDMENT. AND WE COULD SAVE A LOST TIME IF WE DON' T GET INVOLVED IN THAT AND GET THIS AMENDMENT -- THIS RYAN WHITE BILL BEHIND US. I CERTAINLY APPROVE OF THIS AMENDMENT AND I MOVE ITS ADOPTION.

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  • 03:42:43 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NO. THE…

    ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NO. THE AYES APPEAR TO HAVE IT. THE AYES DO HAVE IT. THE AMENDMENT IS AGREED TO. MR. HELMS: I MOVE TO RECONSIDER THE VOTE.

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  • 03:42:56 PM

    MR. HELMS

    I MOVE TO RECONSIDER THE VOTE.

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    LAY IT ON THE TNEAIL. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO…

    LAY IT ON THE TNEAIL. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MRS. KASSEBAUM: MR.

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  • 03:42:59 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MRS. KASSEBAUM: MR. PRESIDENT, IF…

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MRS. KASSEBAUM: MR. PRESIDENT, IF I JUST MAY, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA AND I' M GLAD TO START OFF WITH SUCH A POSITIVE AMENDMENT AND WOULD SHARE WITH HIM THAT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO DEBATE THESE AMENDMENTS JUST ON THE VALUE OF THEM AS THEY ARE PRESENTED.

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  • 03:43:01 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    PRESIDENT, IF I JUST MAY, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF THE SENATOR FROM…

    PRESIDENT, IF I JUST MAY, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA AND I' M GLAD TO START OFF WITH SUCH A POSITIVE AMENDMENT AND WOULD SHARE WITH HIM THAT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO DEBATE THESE AMENDMENTS JUST ON THE VALUE OF THEM AS THEY ARE PRESENTED. AND I THINK THAT WE BOTH SHARE A DESIRE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS LEGISLATION, AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF THE SENATOR NORTH CAROLINA.

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  • 03:43:27 PM

    MR. HELMS

    I THANK THE SENATOR.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA.

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    MR. HELMS

    I THANK THE CHAIR. MR. PRESIDENT, AS THE SENATE PROCEEDS TO THE…

    I THANK THE CHAIR. MR. PRESIDENT, AS THE SENATE PROCEEDS TO THE CONSIDERATION OF THE PROPOSAL TO REAUTHORIZE THE SO- CALLED RYAN WHITE CARE ACT OF 1990, THERE ARE SO MANY IRONIES THAT I FEEL OBLIGED TO CALL ATTENTION TO SOME OF THEM. EVEN THOUGH THE HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVISTS OF AMERICA HAVE CREATED A VIRTUAL MINEFIELD FOR ANY SENATOR WHO DARES RAISE A QUESTION ABOUT THE LEGISLATIVE HISTORY OF THIS PROPOSAL. NOW, THESE HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVISTS HAVE MANAGED TO CONVINCE THE NEWS MEDIA AND A SURPRISING NUMBER OF SENATORS THAT IT IS IRRELEVANT TO TALK ABOUT WHO AND WHAT REALLY CAUSED THE DEATH OF RYAN WHITE. RYAN WHITE, THE 18- YEAR- OLD HEMOPHILIAC WHO DIED OF AIDS BECAUSE TAINTED BLOOD WAS PUMPED INTO HIS VEINS, BLOOD THAT WAS TAINTED IN THE FIRST PLACE BY A HOMOSEXUAL CONDUCT SOMEWHERE GENERATIONS BACK. THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL WAS QUITE CANDID IN THEIR EARLY 1980' S AS TO WHEN AND HOW THE AIDS DISEASE WAS BROUGHT TO AMERICA. NOW, THE C. D. C. MAY BE SOMEWHAT POLITICALLY CORRECT NOW, BUT IN ANY EVENT, I HAVEN' T HAD A VOLUME WHICH I OBTAINED ALONE FROM THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS, A BOOK AUTHORIZED BY RANDY SHILTS, ENTITLED " AND THE BAND PLAYED ON." " NEWSWEEK" MAGAZINE DESCRIBED IN BACK IN 1987 AS " COMPELLING AND OFTEN SHOCKING, IMPASSIONED AND PATHBREAKING, THE BEST BOOK YET ON AIDS." " THE WASHINGTON POST" DESCRIBED IT AS " A MONUMENTAL HISTORY." TIME MAGAZINE, WHICH NEVER MAKES A MISTAKE, YOU KNOW, CALLED THE BOOK " STUNNING, AN IMPRESSIVELY RESEARCHED AND RICHLY DETAILED NARRATIVE." " THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE" DESCRIBED IT, " IT READS LIKE A GOOD MEDICAL SLEUTH STORY, BUT IT IS NOT FICTION. IT IS A PAINSTAKINGLY DETAILED HISTORY." NOW, MR. PRESIDENT, LET' S EMPHASIZE HOW VEER LENT THE AIDS VIRUS IS. A CANADIAN AIRLINE FLIGHT ATTENDANT WHO KNEW HE HAD AIDS AND WHOSE NAME IS A MATTER OF RECORD, FLEW INTO THE UNITED STATES AND OVER A PERIOD OF TIME -- AND I AM QUEETING FROM PAGE 147 OF MR. SHILTS' BOOK -- THE CANADIAN AIRLINE FLIGHT ATTENDANT " ESTABLISHED SEXUAL LINKS BETWEEN 40 PATIENTS IN 10 CITIES." THE ROLL PLAYED BY THE -- THE ROLE PLAYED BY THE FLIGHT ATTENDANT WAS REMARKABLE, MR. SHILTS SAYS. AND 40 OF THE HOMOSEXUAL MEN OR AIDS AS OF APRIL 12, 1982 EITHER HAVE HAD SEX WITH THE FLIGHT ATTENDANT OR HAD HAD SEX WITH SOMEONE WHO HAD. END OF QUOTE. MR. SHILTS CONTINUED, " THE LINKS SOMETIMES WERE EXTENDED FOR MANY GENERATIONS OF SEXUAL CONTACTS, GIVING FRIGHTENING INSIGHT INTO HOW RAPIDLY THE EPIDEMIC HAD SPREAD BEFORE ANYBODY KNEW ABOUT IT." NOW THEN, MR. PRESIDENT, I INCLUDE THOSE DETAILS TO EMPHASIZE THE VIRGINIA LENS OF H. I. V., AIDS -- THE VEER LENS OF H. I. V., AIDS, AND IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING. YET I KNOW OF NOT ONE HOMOSEXUAL ORGANIZATION THAT HAS ADVOCATED ABSTINENCE FROM ENGAGING IN INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE AND REVOLTING CONDUCT THAT HAS LED TO THE PROLIFERATION OF AIDS. NOT THE -- NOT TO THIS GOOD DAY HAS THERE BEEN EVEN A HINT THAT ABSTINENCE SHOULD BE FOLLOWED. NO THE HOMOSEXUALS HAVE GONE PRECISELY IN THE OTHER DIRECTION, DEMANDING MORE AND MORE FEDERAL FUNDS FOR RESEARCH AND SPECIAL FUNDING FOR PERSONAL CARE AVAILABLE TO NO OTHER AMERICAN SUFFERING AND DYING OF DISEASES LIKE CANCER AND HEART DISEASE AND DIABETES AND ALZHEIMER' S AND OTHER DISEASES. THIS IS A UNIQUE PIECE OF LEGISLATION. IT WAS IN 1990, AND IT STILL IS. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A BILL LIKE THIS FOR ANY OTHER DISEASE. NOW, THE VER ROSTY OF THE LOBBYING AND THE -- THE FEROCITY OF THE LOBBYING AND THE INTENSITY OF MEDIA CRITICISM ABOUT ANYONE RAISING A QUESTION ABOUT ALL OF THIS HAS CAUSED MANY IN CONGRESS TO GO ALONG WITH THE QUESTIONABLE DEMANDS OF THE HOMOSEXUAL LOBBYING. NOW, I MYSELF, MR. PRESIDENT, HAVE TAKEN SOME HEAT, BUT I WILL NOT BE DETERRED. THE SENATE PROBABLY WILL PASS THIS BILL AGAIN AND THE HOUSE HAS ALREADY PASSED IT, AND IT MAY BECOME LAW. PRESIDENT CLINGTON WILL RUSH AND SPRAIN HIS ANGLE -- ANKLE GRABBING A BEN TO SIGN IT. I HAVE -- I HAD INTENDED TO HAVE MY SAY, AND I HAVE SLBENDS TO OFFER A NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF SENATORS TO VOTE FOR OR AGAINST, AS THEY PLEASE. BUT I THINK THE SENATE OUGHT TO GO ON RECORD. NOW, LET' S EXAMINE SOME OF THE SUPPORT THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS ARE FORCED TO GIVE TO A COMPARISON OF DISEASES. LET' S START OFF WITH AIDS. $ 2, 700, 000, 000 THIS YEAR FOR AIDS. NOW, THAT' S THE TAB CONGRESS HAS DEMANDED THAT THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS FURNISH. THAT' S MORE MONEY THAN FOR ANY OTHER DISEASE. NOW, THE CONGRESSIONAL RESEARCH SERVICE BREAKS DOWN THE MONEY LIKE THIS: $ 1, 548, 000, 000 FOR RESEARCH; $ 491 MILLION FOR SO- CALLED PREVENTION OR EDUCATION PROGRAMS, AND I' LL GET INTO THAT IN JUST A MINUTE; AND $ 664 MILLION FOR TREATMENT. AND THIS, MR. PRESIDENT, IS ONLY FOR FISCAL YEAR 1995. THE FY 1996 REQUEST TOTALED A WHOPPING $ 2, 900, 000, 000 -- THAT' S $ 1, 621, 000, 000, 000 FOR RESERNGSF $ 526 BILLION FOR PREVENTION AR EDUCATION, AND $ 555 MILLION FOR TREATMENT PROGRAMS. NOW, THE DISEASE, AIDS, RANKS NUMBER EIGHT IN AMERICA AMONG ALL OF THE DISEASES IN TERMS OF CAUSING DEATH. THE NUMBER- ONE KILLER IS HEART DISEASE, FOLLOWED BY CANCER, FOLLOWED BY STROKES AND LUNG DISEASE AND DOWN THE LINE -- DIABETES, PAR KIN SONS' S DISEASE, ALZHEIMER' S AND SO FORTH. BUT DO THEY GET MONEY LIKE THIS? NOPE. AIDS IS NUMBER EIGHT, NUMBER EIGHT. YET AIDS GETS MORE FEDERAL MONEY THAN ANY OF THE OTHER DISEASES. IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY, THE ORIGINAL 1990 RYAN WHITE BILL WAS FUNDED WITH MONEY TAKEN FROM A FUND ORIGINALLY ALLOCATED FOR ALZHEIMER' S DISEASE. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SPENDSS $ 91, 000 FOR EVERY PATIENT WHO DIES OF AIDS. BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SPENDS $ 5, 000 FOR EACH AMERICAN WHO DIES OF CANCER. OH, I KNOW THE ADVOCATES OF THIS RYAN WHITE REAUTHORIZATION BILL WILL CLAIM THAT COMPARISONS ARE ODIOUS, BUT THERE' S A GREAT BIG ODOR RISING FROM THE MANNER IN WHICH CONGRESS IS FALLING ALL OVER ITSELF TO DO WHAT THE HOMOSEXUAL LOBBY IS ALMOST HYSTERICALLY DEMANDING THAT CONGRESS DO, AND THAT IS WHAT THE HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVISTS DEMAND THAT THEY DO. NOW THEN, I AM A LITTLE BIT FASCINATED BY A CLAUSE IN THIS -- AND THIS EXISTING BILL IS NOW THE PENDING BUSINESS. LANGUAGE WHICH AUTHORIZES -- AND LET ME QUOTE FROM THE BILL -- " AUTHORIZES APPROPRIATIONS OF SUCH SUMS AS MAY BE NECESSARY FOR EACH OF THE FISCAL YEARS 1969, 1997, 1998, 1999, AND THE YEAR 2000." NOW, SUPPORTERS OF THE BILL SAY, OH, WELL, DON' T WORRY ABOUT THAT, JESSE. THAT DOESN' T MEAN ANYTHING. IT WILL STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE AUTHORIZATION AND APPROPRIATIONS PROCESS EACH YEAR. IF THAT' S SO, MR. PRESIDENT, IF IT DOESN' T MEAN ANYTHING, LET' S TAKE OUT THAT REFERENCE TO SUCH SUMS AS MAY BE NECESSARY. I' LL BET YOU A QUARTER NOT ONE OF THE PROPONENTS WILL AGREE TO THAT. OF COURSE IT MEANS SOMETHING. AND WHILE I' M AT IT, LET ME RAISE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PROVISION IN THIS RYAN WHITE BILL' S TITLE 5 WHICH CREATES NEW EDUCATION AND TRAINING CENTERS RELATING TO HOMOSEXUALITY AND AIDS. NOW, MR. PRESIDENT, THIS BILL IS SILENT IN SEVEN LANGUAGES ABOUT TEACHING THE IMPORTANCE OF ABSTINENCE. IT IS NOT EVEN MENTIONED. AND ABSTINENCE, I SAY AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN IS THE ONLY WAY AIDS WILL EVER BE BROUGHT UNDER CONTROL. AND THE ACTIVISTS DON' T EVEN USE THE WORD OR PERMIT IT TO BE USED. NOW, THERE IS GENERAL AGREEMENT AMONG SCIENTISTS THAT THE BIGGEST RISK FOR CONTRACTING H. I. V. OR AIDS IS THE NUMBER OF SEXUAL PARTNERS HOMOSEXUALS HAVE. THE MORE PROMISCUOUS A HOMOSEXUAL, THE GREATER HIS RISK OF CONTRACTING H. I. V. OR AIDS OR BOTH. AND, BY THE WAY, INEFFECTING INNOCENT PEOPLE LIKE LITTLE RYAN WHITE WHOSE NAME IS BEING EXPLOITED IN THIS LEGISLATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. HE WAS INNOCENT. RELIABLE SUR VAIRKS MR. PRESIDENT, SHOW THAT MANY HOMOSEXUALS AVERAGE 16 DIFFERENT SEX PARTNERS EVERY MONTH. 182 PARTNERS PER YEAR. AND MY SOURCE FOR THAT IS THE DOCUMENT " HELP TIES IS- B COHORT STUDY OF 1980." AND I HAVE IT AVAILABLE FOR ANY NOR WHO WANTS TO SEE T NOW, IS IT CLEAR, MR. PRESIDENT, THAT AIDS IS A CHRONIC DISEASE OF SEXUALLY PROMISCUOUS PEOPLE, AND A LOT OF INNOCENT PEOPLE LIKE RYAN WHITE ARE CAUGHT UP IN IT? UNKNOWINGLY AND WITHOUT ANY MISCONDUCT ON THEIR PART. LET ME MOVE ON. MR. PRESIDENT, YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE THE STONEWALLING THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON IN AND BY THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION TO PREVENT MY STAFF AND ME FROM OBTAINING STATISTICAL INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THESE MILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF THE TAXPAYERS' MONEY ARE TO BE SPENT. AND HAVE BEEN SPENT IN THE PAST. YOU CALL H. H. S., AND WE' VE GOT THE DATE AND TIME AND THE NAME OF THE PEOPLE WE TALK WITH, AND THEY SAY THEY DON' T KNOW. THAT THERE' S NO MONITORING GOING ON. STONEWALLING. THAT' S WHAT WE' VE GOT. BUT I SAY THIS AND I SAY IT WITH ALL THE SINCERITY THAT I POSSESS, THAT BEFORE THE SENATE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE ACTS ON THIS BILL, S. 641 -- AND I HOPE THAT SENATORS HATFIELD AND BYRD AND ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE WILL INSIST ON CREDIBLE, DOCUMENTED INFORMATION ABOUT WHO HAS RECEIVED THE RYAN WHITE FUND SINCE THE ENACTMENT OF THE 1990 VERSION OF THE RYAN WHITE CARE ACT. THAT' S ALL I ASK. IF SENATOR ROBERT C. BYRD SAYS IT IS ALL RIGHT, AFTER HE' S LOOKED AT THE INFORMATION, I' LL BE REASONABLY SATISFIED. BECAUSE I TRUST SENATOR BYRD. WE DON' T BELONG TO THE SAME PARTY. WE DON' T AGREE ON EVERYTHING, BUT I RESPECT HIM AS AN HONORABLE GENTLEMAN. AND I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL BE APPALLED BY WHAT THEIR HARD- EARNED TAX DOLLARS ARE SUPPORTING REALLY IN FACT. NOBODY KNOWS NOW. I AM SURE NANCY

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  • 03:58:12 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    HAS NO IDEA WHAT' S GOING ON. BUT I KNOW THIS LADY, AND I KNOW HER…

    HAS NO IDEA WHAT' S GOING ON. BUT I KNOW THIS LADY, AND I KNOW HER INCLINATIONS AND I KNOW HER CHARACTER. BUT A LOT OF THINGS ARE GOING ON THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DISCUSSED OR DISCLOSED TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES, LET ALONE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. FOR EXAMPLE, I HAVE A BROCHURE FROM THE " GAY MEN HEALTH CRISIS CRISIS" -- BY THE WAY, I HATE TO USE THE WORD " GAY" IN CONNECTION WITH SOD ME. THERE' S NOTHING GAY ABOUT THESE PEOPLE. " GAY" USED TO BE A BEAUTIFUL WORD. BUT IT' S BEEN CORRUPTED. BUT THAT' S ANOTHER ARGUMENT FOR ANOTHER DAY. THIS GAY MEN' S HEALTH CRISIS ORGANIZATION PUT OUT A BROCHURE DESCRIBING VARIOUS AND SUNDRY METHODS OF HOMOSEXUAL SEX. NOW, I' VE BEEN AROUND THE TRACK A LONG TIME. AND I' VE SEEN 5 LOST THINGS IN MY LIFETIME, BUT I CAN JUST IMAGINE WHAT THE AVERAGE AMERICAN -- HOW HE WOULD REACT IF THE AVERAGE AMERICAN COULD SEE WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. NOT ONCE, I REITERATE -- NOT ONCE IS ABSTINENCE MENTIONED AS THE WAY TO AVOID H. I. V. INFECTION. THEY DON' T WANT ABSTINENCE. SENATORS MAY BE INTERESTED IN AN ADVERTISEMENT BY ANOTHER HOMOSEXUAL OUTFIT, THE SO- CALLED WHITMAN WALKER CLINIC IN WASHINGTON. THIS ADVERTISEMENT SAYS " IF YOU VISIT A BATHHOUSE, REMEMBER TO ALWAYS USE A LATEX CONDOM. USED PROPERLY, LATEX CONDOMS PREVENT H. I. V., AIDS, AND OTHER SEXUALLY- TRANSMITTED DISEASES." NOW, THIS STATEMENT IS PATENTLY FALSE. IT IS INACCURATE. IT IS MISLEADING. AND, YET, TAXPAYER FUNDS ARE BEING USED TO CIRCULATE THIS FALSEHOOD, GIVING FALSE HOPE TO HOMOSEXUALS IN THEIR MANY AND VERY -- AND VARIOUS LEE YEA SONS. AND THEN THERE' S " THE WASHINGTON BLADE," WHICH IS THE HOMOSEXUAL NEWSPAPER PUBLIC LIRDB HERE IN WASHINGTON, D. C. THEY HAD A PINK SECTION THEY CALLED " LIGHTS OUT," AND THE I AM PLE INDICATIONS ARE OBVIOUS ON THAT. THIS PINK " LIGHTS OUT" SECTION IS DEDICATED EXCLUSIVELY TO ADVERTISING FOR ANONYMOUS DATES, SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS. NO NAMES ARE GIVEN. YOU JUST PICK THIS ONE, SOUNDS GOOD TO YOU, AND THERE YOU GO. NOW, DECENCY PREVENTS ME FROM READING THESE SO- CALLED CLASSIFIED ADS OUT LOUD ON THE SENATE FLOOR. BUT, SUFFICE IT TO SAY, HERE COMES WHITMAN WASHING CLINIC AGAIN, THIS TIME IMPLYING, JUST DO IT, BUT DO IT WITH A CONDOM. AND THEY KNOW THAT THAT' S NOT SO. THEY KNOW THAT THAT' S NOT SO. THE WHITMAN WALKER CLINIC, WHICH RECEIVES RYAN WHITE " CARE" ACT MONEY FROM THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS TO CARE FOR PEOPLE WITH H. I. V. AIDS, LEADS HOMOSEXUALS, DON' T YOU YOU SEE, TO BELIEVE THAT AS LONG AS YOU YOU USE A CONDOM, IT' S SAFE TO HAVE ANONYMOUS SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS. NOW, WHAT KIND OF USE OF THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER' S MONEY IS THAT? PEOPLE SAY IT' S HATEFUL FOR JESSE HELMS TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TALK ABOUT IT. SOMEHOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW AND DESERVE TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT' S GOING ON. NOT GET UP HERE WITH ALL OF THE PLAIN ALTERNATIVE REMARKS ABOUT RYAN WHITE. LET' S TALK ABOUT WHAT KILLED RYAN WHITE, WHO FURNISHED THE TAINTED BLOOD, WHERE DID IT COME FROM? I' M SORRY FOR HIM. I MET THE LITTLE BOY ONE TIME. I WAS SORRY FOR HIM THEN, AND I' M SORRY THAT HE' S DEAD NOW. BUT IT WAS NOT ACCIDENTAL. IT WAS SOMEBODY WHO DIDN' T CARE WHO FURNISHED TAINTED BLOOD. NOW, THE GAY MEN' S HEALTH CRISIS AND THE WHITMAN WALKER CLINIC ARE NOT THE ONLY SUCH HOMOSEXUAL OUTFITS RECEIVING RYAN WHITE FUNDS ADVOCATING SO- CALLED SAFE SEX. AS I SAID EARLIER, I DON' T BELIEVE SENATORS COULD POSSIBLY BELIEVE THE STONEWALLING BY THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION TO PREVENT US, MY STAFF AND ME, FROM OBTAINING ACCURATE, VERY FIBLE STATISTICAL INFORMATION ON PRECISELY HOW THESE MILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS HAVE BEEN SPENT AND WILL BE SPENT. I THINK IT' S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION FOR THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH TO ASK THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, BUT NOT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. NOBODY -- THAT' S OFF LIMITS. THEY' VE GOT A DEAL. THE SENATE IS DEBATING WHETHER OR NOT TO REAUTHORIZE THIS ACT FOR APPROPRIATIONS OF SUCH SUMS AS MAY BE NECESSARY. AND NOBODY CAN TELL ME -- AND I BELIEVE NOBODY CAN TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE -- EXACTLY WHERE THIS MONEY IS GOING AND FOR WHAT IT IS BEING SPENT. YOU HEAR ALL OF THE WONDERFUL STORIES ABOUT HOW THESE PEOPLE SAY IT' S BEING SPENT. AND I SUPPOSE SOME OF IT IS BEING SPENT. FOR GOOD PURPOSES. BUT CONGRESS DOES NOT MONITOR THIS. AND H. H. S. WON' T LET ANYBODY MONITOR IT. SO, IT' S SORT OF A CLOSED SHOP, DON' T YOU SEE. INCIDENTALLY, SPEAKING OF THE WORD " CARE," I' VE BEEN THE BUTT OF A LOT OF DIATRIBES LATELY, LIKE " THE NEW YORK TIMES," WHICH PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH THAT I HAD NOT SAID. AND THESE EDITORIAL WRITERS AROUND THE COUNTRY SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE GAVE UP THIS RESPONSIBILITY OF CHECKING FOR THEMT SELVES WHAT THE FACTS ARE AND WHAT WAS REALLY SAID. THEY PICKED UP A REPORT FROM " THE NEW YORK TIMES". THEY PICK IT UP, AND THEY RUSH TO THEIR LITTLE, HOT TYPE WRITERS OR LITTLE, HOT MIKE CROW PHONES OR CAMERAS." THEY SAY YOU CAN' T TALK ABOUT THIS. THIS IS A HATEFUL THING TO DO. IT' S ALL RIGHT WITH ME WHAT THEY SAY. I DON' T TALK TO THEM MUCH ANYWAY. BECAUSE THEY TAKE A SNIPPET HERE, A SNIPPET THERE, ABOUT FIVE SECONDS HERE, FIVE SECONDS THERE. AND THEY WILL MAKE THE QUOTE SAY WHAT THEY WANT IT TO SAY. THE FIRST AMENDMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT THEY BE HONEST OR FAIR ABOUT ANYTHING. FOR THE RECORD, MR. PRESIDENT, LET ME SAY THAT I DON' T HATE ANYBODY. BUT, I' VE BEEN ACCUSED OF IT IN EDITORIAL AFTER EDITORIAL. I DON' T HATE HOMOSEXUALS. I DON' T EVEN KNOW ANY HOMOSEXUALS. BUT, WHAT I DON' T LIKE IS FOR THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES TO BOW AND SCRAPE TO HOMOSEXUAL PRESSURE AND GIVE THEM FEDERAL FUNDS AND RIGHTS AND PRIVILEGES THAT OTHER AMERICANS ARE DENIED. THAT' S WHAT I DON' T LIKE. AND, YES, MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE A DEEP SYMPATHY FOR HOMOSEXUALS WHO ARE DYING OF AIDS, BECAUSE OF THEIR HAVING DELIBERATELY -- DELIBERATELY PLACED THEIR LIVES AT RISK. I HAVE DEEP SYMPATHY FOR ANYBODY WHO STICKS A LOADED PISTOL IN HIS MOUTH AND PULLS THE TRIGGER. YOU PLAY RUSSIAN ROULETTE EITHER WAY. AND HOMOSEXUALS ARE LOSING AND LOSING AND LOSING, AND THEY DON' T WANT TO TALK ABOUT ABSTINENCE. NOW, HOMOSEXUALS KNOW THE RISK THEY ARE RUNNING WITH THEIR SEXUAL CONDUCT. THEY GO ON TELEVISION PROGRAMS. I SAW ONE OR TWO ON " 60 MINUTES" THE OTHER NIGHT TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO. AND THEY DISCUSS WHY THEY JUST CAN' T ABSTAIN AND WHY IT' S SO MUCH MORE INTIMATE NOT TO TRY TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM BEING INFECTED WITH AIDS OR PREVENTING OTHERS FROM BEING INFECTED. AND THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN ABSTINENCE. THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED. IN ALL CANDOR, MR. PRESIDENT, WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE GUTS, FEATHERS AND ALL, THEY DON' T GIVE A DAMN. BUT, THE REST OF US DO. A LOT OF US ARE SICK AND TIRED OF ALL OF THE PRETENSES OF INJURED INNOCENCE. THEY ARE NOT INNOCENT. THEY KNOW IT, AND THAT' S WHY THEY ARE SO BELLIGERENT IN THEIR DEMANDS THAT HOMOSEXUALITY BE ACCEPTED AS JUST ANOTHER LIFESTYLE. INDEED, A SPECIALLY PROTECTED AND ENCOURAGED LIFESTYLE. AND THAT IS NOT A RECKLESS STATEMENT BECAUSE I' M ABOUT TO EXPLAIN WHAT I MEAN. I DON' T BELIEVE THEY WILL EVER SELL THAT BILL THE GOODS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. BUT, BACK TO SENATOR HATFIELD, THE DISTINGUISHED CHAIRMAN OF THE SENATE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE, AND SENATOR ROBERT C. BYRD, WHO HAS SERVED WITH DISTINCTION AS CHAIRMAN OF THAT COMMITTEE IN THE PAST. AND HE' S SERVING NOW, OF COURSE, AS RANKING MINORITY MEMBER. THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES HAS DECLINED TO MAKE ANY USEFUL INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO MY STAFF OR ME. THEY SAY THEY HAVE NO RECORDS. OF HOW MANY HOMOSEXUAL ADVOCACY GROUPS RECEIVE OR HAVE RECEIVED RYAN WHITE FUNDS. THEY HAVE NO RECORD OF WHAT THEY DO WITH IT. TO THAT, I SAY WHY? WHY? AND I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO SAY WHY WHY. IT' S NOT H. H. S. MONEY. IT' S NOT JESSE HELMS' MONEY, NOT NANCY KASSEBAUM' S. CERTAINLY NOT SENATOR KENNEDY OR ANY OF HIS AIDS. IT' S THE PEOPLE' S MONEY, AND THEY' VE GOT AT RIGHT TO KNOW THE FULL INFORMATION. SENATORS HATFIELD AND BYRD AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE DISTINGUISHED SENATE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE MIGHT START BY INQUIRING OFFICIALLY AND FORMALLY HOW MUCH FEDERAL MONEY WAS DELIVERED TO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE GAY MEN' S HEALTH CRISIS ORGANIZATION IN CALIFORNIA. OR RIGHT HERE IN WASHINGTON, HOW ABOUT THE HOMOSEXUAL OUT OUTFIT, THE SO- CALLED WHITMAN WALKER CLINIC. SURELY THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE IS ENTITLED TO KNOW. SURELY THE MEMBERS OF THE SENATE ARE ENTITLED TO KNOW. DURING THE PAST 15 YEARS, MR. PRESIDENT, -- AND I SHALL CONCLUDE SHORTLY -- AIDS HAS KILLED 270, 000 PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY. HEART DISEASE KILLS MORE THAN THAT IN LESS THAN FIVE MONTHS. LESS THAN 2% OF THE DEATHS LAST YEAR IN AMERICA WERE THE RESULT OF AIDS. I GO BACK TO RYAN WHITE. I WAS SORRY FOR THAT YOUNG MAN THEN, AND I' M SORRY FOR HIM NOW. HE DIED AT AGE 18 OF AIDS, A DISEASE THAT HE ALMOST CERTAINLY CONTRACTED FROM TAINTED BLOOD THAT HAD ITS ORIGIN AS A RESULT OF THAT HOMOSEXUAL AIRLINE FLIGHT ATTENDANT WHO WAS THE FIRST DOCUMENTED INSTANCE OF THE AIDS DISEASE BEING BROUGHT INTO NORTH AMERICA FROM AFRICA. WE WILL NEVER KNOW, OF COURSE, THE PRECISE LIST OF INDIVIDUALS WHO PASSED THE H. I. V. VIRUS ALONG IN WHAT THEY CALL THE GENERATIONAL SERIES OF HOMOSEXUALS WHO PASSED IT ALONG TO DRUG USERS, AND ONE OR MORE OF THEM CONTRIBUTED TO THAT BLOOD TRANSFUSION THAT RYAN WHITE GOT. BUT, YOU KNOW ONE THING. THEY WERE INVOLVED IN IT, AND THEY KNOW IT TOO. BUT THEY WANT TO OBSCURE THAT. THEY USE RYAN WHITE TO ATTRACT SYMPATHY FOR THEM, UNDESERVED SYMPATHY. I' M TALKING ABOUT THE ONES WHO HAVEN' T CAUGHT IT YET. BUT THEY ARE PLAYING RUSSIAN ROULETTE. AND THEY WANT THE DISCOVERY TO BE MADE SO IT WILL BE SAFE FOR THEM. AND I DON' T THINK THAT THERE' S EVER GOING TO BE A PROTECTION OF THAT NATURE DEVELOPED BY SCIENCE. I FIND MYSELF HOPING THAT IT WILL BE, BUT I JUST DON' T BELIEVE IT' S GOING TO HAPPEN. RYAN WHITE WAS WITHOUT BLAME. HE WAS A HEMOPHILIAC WHO HAD TO HAVE A BLOOD TRANSFUSION, BUT HE DID NOT DESERVE A FATAL FATAL, TAINTED BLOOD TRANSFUSION. RYAN WHITE WAS INNOCENT. AND I PASS NO JUDGMENT ON ANY MEMBER OF HIS FAMILY OR ANY OTHER FAMILY. WHO HAS LOST IN SUCH A WAY A MEMBER OF THEIR FAMILY. I DON' T HAVE ANY REAL PROBLEM. I DON' T UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I DON' T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH RYAN WHITE' S NAME BEING USED TO BE EXPLOITED BY THE KIND OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY EITHER CANNOT OR WILL NOT EVEN TRY TO RESTRAIN THEIR IMPULSES TO PREVENT THE FURTHER SPREAD OF AIDS. MICHAEL FUBENTO, AN ASSOCIATE OF THE COMPETITIVE ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE IN WASHINGTON, HAS WRITTEN A BOOK THAT ALL SENATORS SHOULD READ, BUT PROBABLY WON' T. THE NAME OF THE BOOK IS -- QUOTE -- " THE MYTH OF HETEROSEXUAL AIDS." I WISH SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE PRESS GALLERY WOULD READ IT. MR. FUMENTO RELATES THAT HE CALLED THE OFFICES OF A NUMBER OF SENATORS TO INQUIRE ABOUT THE FAIRNESS OF DEVOTING SO MUCH OF THE TAXPAYERS' MONEY TO ONE DISEASE AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHER DISEASES, AND HE SAYS HE ASKED EACH SENATE OFFICE FOR A STATEMENT ON THE FAIREST OF IT ALL. -- ON THE FAIRNESS OF IT ALL. THEN HE WROTE, " WONDER OF WONDERS," HE SAID. " I GOT NO ANSWER." AND HE CONCLUDED THIS WAY: " AND WHILE SEVERAL SENATORS CLAIM THAT AS PRESIDENT, THEY WOULD BE TOUGH ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH AMERICA' S FOREIGN POLICY ADVERSARIES, WHEN IT COMES TO AIDS ACTIVISTS, THEY GO CRAWLING FOR THE DEEPEST FOXHOLE." I' M NOT LOOKING FOR A FOXHOLE. WHAT I WANT IS FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO BE INFORMED AS TO HOW THIS MONEY IS TO BE SPENT, WHERE IT IS TO BE SPENT AND BY WHOM IT IS TO BE SPENT. DON' T TAKE THE WORD OF SENATORS WHO SAY, " WELL, WE HAD IN OUR STATE THIS SITUATION SITUATION," OR OTHERS, " WE HAD OUR SITUATION, AND IT' S TERRIBLE," AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. OF COURSE IT' S TERRIBLE. BUT THAT DOESN' T ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. LET' S FIND OUT HOW THIS MONEY IS BEING SPENT. THAT' S ALL I' VE SAID AT ANY TIME ALONG THE LINE. NO FOXHOLE FOR ME. YOU' LL FIND OUT SOONER OR LATER PERHAPS. MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT AN OP- ED COLUMN WRITTEN BY MR. FUMENTO AND PUBLISHED ON JUNE 19 BY " THE WASHINGTON TIMES" BE PRINTED IN THE RECORD AT THE CONCLUSION OF MY REMARKS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

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  • 04:16:24 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

  • 04:16:25 PM

    MR. HELMS

    FOR THE GUIDANCE OF THE CLERKS, OF THE HEADLINE ON THE ARTICLE WAS " BILL…

    FOR THE GUIDANCE OF THE CLERKS, OF THE HEADLINE ON THE ARTICLE WAS " BILL OILS THE AIDS SQUEAKY WHEEL." MR. PRESIDENT, I YIELD THE FLOOR.

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  • 04:16:39 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS. MRS. KASSEBAUM: MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD…

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS. MRS. KASSEBAUM: MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ANSWER, IF I MAY, OR NOT PERHAPS ANSWER BUT ADDRESS FROM ANOTHER STANDPOINT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED BY THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA, BECAUSE I KNOW, INDEED, HOW MUCH SENATOR HELMS CARES ABOUT THIS ISSUE, AND IT' S A GENUINE CONCERN THAT HE HAS. I WOULD

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  • 04:16:41 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

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    MR. HELMS

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA.

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    MR. HELMS

    WE OUGHT TO TRY SOME AMENDMENTS, SOME OF WHICH HAVE PASSED THE SENATE…

    WE OUGHT TO TRY SOME AMENDMENTS, SOME OF WHICH HAVE PASSED THE SENATE BEFORE. AS I SAID AT THE OUTSET, I DON' T INTEND TO SECOND- DEGREE ANYBODY ELSE' S AMENDMENT. I HOPE WE CAN JUST HAVE UPAND DOWN VOTES AND GET THIS BILL OUT OF THE WAY. NOW, MR. PRESIDENT, I SEND AN UNPRINTED AMENDMENT TO THE DESK AND ASK THAT IT BE STATED. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE AMENDMENT. THE

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  • 04:26:03 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE AMENDMENT. THE CLERK: THE SENATOR FROM NORTH…

    THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE AMENDMENT. THE CLERK: THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA, MR. HELMS,

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  • 04:26:05 PM

    THE CLERK

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    MR. HELMS

    MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK THAT FURTHER READING OF THE AMENDMENT BE DISPENSED…

    MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK THAT FURTHER READING OF THE AMENDMENT BE DISPENSED WITH.

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  • 04:26:49 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    MR. HELMS

    LET ME SUM UP THIS AMENDMENT. I THINK WE HAD TWO VOTES AGAINST IT THE LAST…

    LET ME SUM UP THIS AMENDMENT. I THINK WE HAD TWO VOTES AGAINST IT THE LAST TIME. THIS AMENDMENT REQUIRES THAT STATES RECEIVING FEDERAL FUNDS FOR AIDS EDUCATION AND PREVENTION TAKE SPECIFIC LEGISLATIVE AND/ OR ADMINISTRATIVE STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT SPOUSES -- THAT IS THE WIFE OR HUSBAND OF AN INDIVIDUAL INFECTED WITH H. I. V.- AIDS VIRUS -- THAT THE SPOUSE BE PROMPTLY NOTIFIED. NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY I THINK WE OUGHT TO VOTE ON THIS AGAIN. SOME YEARS BACK, TWO OR THREE -- I FORGET HOW LONG AGO -- THERE WERE SOME CIRCUMSTANCES THAT LED ME TO DRAFT THIS AMENDMENT AT THAT TIME. AND IT BEGAN WHEN I RECEIVED A CALL FROM A YOUNG WOMAN WHO WORKED ON THE HOUSE SIDE OF THE CONGRESS, WHO SAID, " SENATOR, MY MOTHER WANTS TO COME BY AND TALK TO YOU ON A MATTER OF CONFIDENCE. SHE DOESN' T WANT YOU TO EVER USE HER NAME" AND I SHALL NOT. AND THEY CAME, A LOVELY LADY AND HER BEAUTIFUL DAUGHTER. I SHALL NEVER FORGET THAT VISIT VISIT. THE MEETING DIDN' T LAST LONG. AFTER THE USUAL AMENITIES -- AND I HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE LADY WANTED TO DISCUSS. BUT AFTER THE USUAL AMENITIES AND I SEATED THEM, THE THREE OF US BEGAN TO DISCUSS WHY SHE HAD COME AND WHAT I MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HER ABOUT. AT THAT POINT TEARS WELLED UP IN THAT MOTHER' S EYES AS SHE BEGAN TO TELL THE STORY. SHE TOOK A DEEP BREATH AND STATED THE BOTTOM LINE. SHE HAD AIDS, SHE SAID, AND I' M DYING. HER BISEXUAL HUSBAND, YOU SEE, HAD INFECTED HER WITH THE AIDS VIRUS. HE HAD NOT INFORMED HER THAT HE WAS INFECTED. AND STATE LAW IN HER STATE FOREBADE THE FAMILY DOCTOR FROM TELLING HER, WHICH I CONSIDER TO BE OUTRAGEOUS. NOW, MR. PRESIDENT, WE HEAR SO MUCH ABOUT PROTECTING THE CONFIDENTIALALITY OF AIDS- INFECTED PATIENTS. YET, WE HEAR NOTHING ABOUT THE FATAL CONSEQUENCES OF CONFIDENTIALITY LAWS. HOMOSEXUALS MARCH IN WASHINGTON, AND THEY DEMAND THEIR RIGHTS. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF THIS LOVELY LADY AND THE THOUSANDS OF OTHERS LIKE HER POTENTIALLY WHO, THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN, HAVE BECOME INFECTED WITH THE DEADLY AIDS VIRUS OR MAY BE IN THE FUTURE? DO THEY NOT HAVE RIGHTS TOO? SHOULD THERE NOT BE LAWS TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT SPOUSES INSTEAD OF THOSE WHO HIDE BEHIND THE CONFIDENTIALITY LAW AND, AS IN THIS CASE, ARE CAUSING OTHERS TO DIE? WHAT A TERRIBLE TRAGEDY. AND ACCORDING TO INFORMATION -- AND I' VE DRAWN UP SOME CHARTS BUT I DECIDED MOTT TO BRING THEM OVER HERE -- ONLY 12 STATES PROTECT THE LIVES OF SPOUSES OF H. I. V.- INFECTED CITIZENS. ONLY 12 STATES. 18 STATES PROVIDE FOR NOTIFICATION OF PARTNERS, BUT THEY' RE SILENT ON THE RIGHTS OF SPOUSES. WHAT KIND OF FAIR PLAY IS THAT? AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY " PARTNER." DOES THIS NOT LEAD TO THE CONCLUSION THAT SOME STATES MAY APPEAR MORE CONCERNED WITH PROTECTING THE INTERESTS OF THE H. I. V.- POSITIVE SPOUSE INSTEAD OF THE LIFE OF THE UNUS EXPECTING, INNOCENT WIFE? SO, MR. PRESIDENT, THIS AMENDMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE STATES TO INITIATE A SPOUSAL NOTIFICATION PROGRAM. IT SIMPLY SAYS THAT IF STATES WANT FEDERAL MONEY, WHICH THEY TAKE FROM THE TAXPAYER, IF THESE STATES WANT MONEY TO COMBAT THE AIDS VIRUS, THE AIDS DISEASE, THOSE STATES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A GENUINE AND CONCERTED TOFERTES PROTECT INNOCENT SPOUSES FROM BEING EXPOSED TO THE AIDS VIRUS. MR. PRESIDENT, IT IS TIME TO START TREEDING AIDS AS THE PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE THAT IT IS, RATHER THAN THE CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE THAT IT HAS BECOME. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT IF WE TAKE THIS STEP, IT WILL HELP CURB, TO SOME EXTENT AT LEAST, THE SPREAD OF THIS LETHAL DISEASE. CASS CASS MR. PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS.

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  • 04:32:12 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    MAYBE JUST AS A CLAIRE CITY INDICATION OF WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, IT IS MY…

    MAYBE JUST AS A CLAIRE CITY INDICATION OF WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IN LAW, FROM WHAT WE HAD BEFORE THAT EACH STATE IS REQUIRED TO SET UP ITS OWN NOTIFICATION SYSTEM, IS THAT CORRECT?

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  • 04:32:15 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    AS A CLAIRE CITY INDICATION OF WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, IT IS MY…

    AS A CLAIRE CITY INDICATION OF WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IN LAW, FROM WHAT WE HAD BEFORE THAT EACH STATE IS REQUIRED TO SET UP ITS OWN NOTIFICATION SYSTEM, IS THAT CORRECT?

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  • 04:32:38 PM

    MR. HELMS

    EVEN IF IT IS, SENATOR, IF YOU WILL FORGIVE ME, IT WON' T HURT FOR THE…

    EVEN IF IT IS, SENATOR, IF YOU WILL FORGIVE ME, IT WON' T HURT FOR THE SENATE TO GO ON RECORD AGAIN.

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  • 04:32:45 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    NO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM. I WAS JUST ASKING IF YOU KNEW IF THAT WAS NOT…

    NO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM. I WAS JUST ASKING IF YOU KNEW IF THAT WAS NOT CORRECT AND THAT EACH STATE IS REQUIRED TO SET UP ITS OWN.

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  • 04:32:54 PM

    MR. HELMS

    MY EXPERT WHO IS SITTING TO MY LEFT AND SHE IS SOMETIMES TO MY RIGHT AS…

    MY EXPERT WHO IS SITTING TO MY LEFT AND SHE IS SOMETIMES TO MY RIGHT AS WELL, SHE SAYS SHE DOES NOT KNOW OF IT, SO, AND OF COURSE I DO NOT.

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  • 04:33:13 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    MR. PRESIDENT? I MIGHT JUST SUGGEST THE ABSENCE OF A QUORUM FOR A MINUTE…

    MR. PRESIDENT? I MIGHT JUST SUGGEST THE ABSENCE OF A QUORUM FOR A MINUTE UNTIL WE LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE AND GET SOME COMPARISON AND SEE IF WE CAN ACCEPT THAT.

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  • 04:33:23 PM

    MR. HELMS

    THERE IS NO ATTEMPT TO SECOND DEGREE THE AMENDMENT BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE A…

    THERE IS NO ATTEMPT TO SECOND DEGREE THE AMENDMENT BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE A PROTRACTED DEBATE. MRS. KASSEBAUM: I AGREE WITH THE SENATOR. I DON' T WANT TO SECOND DEGREE ANYTHING.

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  • 04:33:29 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    I AGREE WITH THE SENATOR. I DON' T WANT TO SECOND DEGREE ANYTHING.

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    MR. HELMS

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    MR. PRESIDENT?

  • 04:33:53 PM

    Quorum Call

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    Senate Vote 332 - On the Amendment (Helms Amendment No 1853)

    To require spousal notification in cases in which an individual is diagnosed with infection with the human immunodeficiency virus.

    Amendment Agreed to (98 - 0)
    Yea

    Vote Details: Yea - 96
    Democratic - 45
    Republican - 51

    Vote Details: Not Voting - 2
    Democratic - 1
    Republican - 1

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: IS THERE FURTHER DEBATE ON THE AMENDMENT? IF NOT, THE…

    PRESIDING OFFICER: IS THERE FURTHER DEBATE ON THE AMENDMENT? IF NOT, THE YEAS AND NAYS ARE ORDERED, THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.

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  • 05:12:28 PM

    MR. LOTT

    PRESIDENT? IF I MIGHT RESPOND TO THE DISTINGUISHED MINORITY LEADER' S…

    PRESIDENT? IF I MIGHT RESPOND TO THE DISTINGUISHED MINORITY LEADER' S COMMENTS THERE, THERE IS A LOT OF WORK UNDER WAY ON THE GIFT RULE ISSUE. I THINK PROGRESS IS BEING MADE. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PACKAGES THAT ARE OUT THERE, WITH SOME POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS PENDING. I DON' T THINK THAT WE' VE COME TO CLOSURE ON THAT, ALTHOUGH WE' RE CONTINUING TO WORK IN A BIPARTISAN WAY, AND WE HAVE MEETINGS LATER ON TONIGHT TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE. WE' D LAKE TO GET SOME SORT OF UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT THE PROCEDURE WOULD BE FOR IT TO COME UP. SO I THINK WE' RE GETTING THERE, BUT I DON' T THINK WE' RE QUITE READY TO GO TO THE GIFT RULE ISSUE YET. IT MAY BE THAT TOMORROW WE WILL BE. I THINK THE LEADER WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, INTENDS TO DO THAT BEFORE THIS WEEK IS OUT. AND WE' LL TO INMOVE IN THAT DREFMXT BUT IN ORDER FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE LEGISLATION READY TO GO, WE NEEDED TO MAKE THIS EFFORT. BUT IN VIEW OF THE OBJECTION,

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  • 05:13:29 PM

    MR. DASHCLE

    MR. PRESIDENT, IF I COULD JUST RESPOND BRIEFLY --

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    MR. LOTT

    TO -- MR. DASHCLE: I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION GIVEN BY THE DISTINGUISHED…

    TO -- MR. DASHCLE: I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION GIVEN BY THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM MISSISSIPPI. I

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  • 05:13:34 PM

    MR. DASHCLE

    I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION GIVEN BY THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM…

    I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION GIVEN BY THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM MISSISSIPPI. I SUSPECT THAT WHAT THIS MEEFENS IS THAT THERE WILL BE CLOTURE PETITIONS FILED AND THAT, FRANKLY, THINK THE MESSAGE THAT THAT SENDS IS NOT THE ONE THAT MANY OF US WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE. NO ONE IS HOLDING UP STATE DEPARTMENT AUTHORIZATION, NO ONE IS HOLDING UP FOREIGN AID APPROPRIATIONS, NO SOMEONE HOLDING UP ANY LEGISLATION THAT I' M AWARE OF. SO TO LAY DOWN CLOTURE PETITIONS UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES SEEMS TO ME, NUMBER ONE, PREMATURE AND THEN, SKDLY IN VIOLATION WHAT I HAVE THOUGHT WAS AN UNDERSTANDING WE HAD ON BOTH SIDES THAT WE WOULD GO TO GIFTS. THERE WASN' T ANY AXIOM TO THAT ANY COROLLARY THAT SAID THAT IT WAS ONLY IF WE HAD SOME AGREEMENT ABOUT THE PROCEDURE OR ABOUT AMENDMENTS THAT WE WOULD RETURN TO GIFTS. THE ISSUE WAS, WOULD WE DO GIFTS AND LOBBYING TOGETHER THIS WEEK? THE ANSWER WAS YES. WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT. NOW WE DON' T HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING. I THINK THAT IS -- IT IS A VIOLATION, CERTAINLY, OF THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE' VE HAD ON BOTH SIDES. SO I' M VERY DISAPPOINTED, FRANKLY, THAT THE MAJORITY HAS SEEN FIT TO FILE CLOTURE PETITIONS PRIOR TO THE TIME WE SEEN HAVE ANY APREERBS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE OBJECTIONS TO THE BILLS THEMSELVES OR EVEN GOING TO THE BILLS. THERE ARE NONE TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

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  • 05:14:53 PM

    MR. LOTT

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    MR. DASHCLE

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    MR. LOTT

    YES. MR. DASHCLE: I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHETHER THESE CLOTURE…

    YES. MR. DASHCLE: I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHETHER THESE CLOTURE PETITIONS ARE ON THE BILL OR ON THE NOTION PROCEED. IF THEY

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  • 05:17:18 PM

    MR. DASHCLE

    I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHETHER THESE CLOTURE PETITIONS ARE ON…

    I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHETHER THESE CLOTURE PETITIONS ARE ON THE BILL OR ON THE NOTION PROCEED. IF THEY ARE ON THE MOTION TO PROCEED, COULD THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM MISSISSIPPI INFORM US AS TO THE NUMBER OF FILIBUSTERS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ON A MOTION TO PROCEED TO TO A BILL THIS YEAR? LOT THEY ARE BOTH ON THE NOTION PROCEED IN ANTICIPATION OF LIKELY RESISTANCE TO PROCEED. MAYBE IT WON' T OCCUR BUT THAT POSSIBILITY DOES EXIST. AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME INDICATIONS THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. MAYBE IT WON' T BE NECESSARY. LET ME SAY THIS, TOO. WE ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION, IF IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO WORK OUT AGREEMENTS IF WE' RE MAKING PROGRESSION, WE CAN VITIATE THESE. IF WE WAIT UNTIL FRIDAY AND, YOU KNOW, WE' RE HAVING -- WE DO HAVE A FILIBUSTER ON THE MOTION TO PROCEED AND WE' RE NOT MAKING PROGRESS, IT IS TOO LATE THEN TO FILE A CLOTURE PETITION, AND WE' RE OVER UNTIL, WHAT, SATURDAY OR NEXT MONDAY OR NEXT TUESDAY? I UNDERSTAND HOW THE MINORITY LEADER FEELS ABOUT THIS AND I KNOW SOMETIMES THAT FILING A CLOTURE PETITION MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR US TO SORT OF GET TOGETHER. BUT YOU MUST ALSO UNDERSTAND, AS THE MAJORITY LEADER DID IN THE PREVIOUS CONGRESSES, YOU HAVE TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO MOVE THINGS ALONG. IT IS NOT EASE SIFM IT IS VERY HARD. I HAD NO APPRECIATION WHATSOEVER OF WHAT THE MAJORITY LEADER IS UP AGAINST IN THE SENATE WHEN SENATOR MIX WAS THE -- WHEN SENATOR MITCHELL WAS THE MAJORITY LEADER. BUT NOW I' VE HAD A LITTLE BETTER OPPORTUNITY AS THE WHIP TO WATCH WHAT THE MAJORITY LEADER IS UP TO. SO THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO SLIGHT ANYBODY. IT IS NOT INTENDED TO MAKE ANYBODY MAD. IT IS INTENDED TO TRY TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THE PROCESS ALONG, AND I HOPE THAT IT WILL BE TAKEN IN THAT SPIRIT. THE LAST TIME A CLOTURE PETITION WAS FILED, I THINK IT WAS VITIATED. WE DIDN' T GO THROUGH WITH IT. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT OPTION, AS WE MOVE THIS LEGISLATIVE PROCESS THROUGH.

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  • 05:19:23 PM

    MR. DASHCLE

    MR. PRESIDENT, I' LL BE VERY BRIEF. LET ME JUST SAY, I APPRECIATE THE…

    MR. PRESIDENT, I' LL BE VERY BRIEF. LET ME JUST SAY, I APPRECIATE THE ANSWERS GIVEN BY THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM MISSISSIPPI. HE DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION AS TO THE NUMBER OF VOTES CAST -- OR I SHOULD SAY, THE NUMBER OF CLOTURE VOTES TAKEN OR THE NUMBER OF FILIBUSTERS ACTUALLY ENDURED AS WE CONSIDER THE MOTION TO PROCEED. AND IF I RECALL, THERE IS NO ONE. LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE, THERE WERE MANY OCCASIONS WHEN THE MAJORITY LEADER WAS COMPELLED TO FILE A CLOTURE PETITION BECAUSE THERE WAS A FILIBUSTER ON THE MOTION TO PROCEED. BILL IAEA SIMPLY RESTATE THE CLARIFICATION: WE HAD AN AGREEMENT. THE AGREEMENT WAS WE GO BACK TO GIFTS WHEN THIS LEGISLATION IS FINISHED. WE' RE IN VIOLATION OF THAT AGREEMENT, NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO, I THINK IT SENDS ALL THE WRONG MESSAGES ABOUT THE DESIRE OF THE MAJORITY TO WORK WITH US IN TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE AN AGENDA. WE WERE ONLY GIVEN THIS A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO, AND I' M SURPRISED AND DISAPPOINTED. BUT WE' LL WORK THROUGH IT AND WE' LL CERTAINLY DO OUR BEST TO ACCOMMODATE THE SCHEDULE. WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE COMPLETION OF A LOT OF THESE ITEMS, AND I THINK WE CAN DO SO WITHOUT THROWING CLECH PETITIONS DOWN PRIOR TO THE TIME WE EVEN HAVE SOME CONSULTATION AS TO WHETHER IT IS NECESSARY. I THANK THE SENATOR AND I YIELD THE FLOOR.

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  • 05:20:42 PM

    MR. LOTT

    JUST ONE FURTHER RESPONSE. AND I DO THINK WE CAN MOVE THIS ISSUE ON ALONG.…

    JUST ONE FURTHER RESPONSE. AND I DO THINK WE CAN MOVE THIS ISSUE ON ALONG. BUT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE PERHAPS HAVE NOT ALREADY FINISHED THE GIFT RULE ISSUE IS THAT THE MAJORITY LEADER WANTED TO ACCOMMODATE THE PRESIDENT ON THE BOSNIAN RESOLUTION QUESTION. HE DEFERRED ACTION FROM LAST WEEK OVER UNTIL THIS WEEK BY AGREEMENT ON BOTH SIDES AND IN AN EFFORT TO ACCOMMODATE THE PRESIDENT AND ALLOW MORE TIME TO PASS SO THAT MAYBE SOMETHING DIFFERENT WOULD CHANGE IN BOSNIA OR WITH REGARD TO THE SITUATION IN THE UNITED NATIONS. BUT THAT' S WHY WE WENT BACK TO BOSNIA. EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT. WE WEREN' T QUITE READY ANYWAY ON GIFT. PLUS, I MIGHT NOTE, THAT I DON' T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY AGREEMENTS THAT WE WOULD GO TO RYAN WHITE BEFORE WE WENT BACK TO GIFT. BUT WE WENT TO THE RYAN WHITE BILL BECAUSE THERE WAS AGREEMENT THAT WOULD COULD TAKE IT UP AND HOPEFULLY COMPLETE IT AND IN THE MEANTIME WE COULD CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE GIFT RULE. SO WE ALREADY HAVEN' T DONE EXACTLY WHAT MAYBE WAS INTENDED OR THOUGHT. BUT FOR GOOD REASON. WE WENT TO THE BOSNIAN RESOLUTION BECAUSE WE DIDN' T COMPLETE IT BY AGREEMENT LAST WEEK. WE WENT TO RYAN WHITE BECAUSE YOU WERE READY TO GO. WE COULD COMPLETE IT. AND THEN WE COULD KEEP WORKING ON THE GIFT BILL. SO WE' LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE DISTINGUISHED DEMOCRATIC LEADER AND HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO FINISH ALL OF THESE BILLS THAT WE HAVE SCHEDULED BFT WEEK SOUGHT. AND AT A REASONABLE HOUR ON FRIDAY ALSO. THEREFORE, MR. PRESIDENT, I NOW MOVE TO PROCEED TO S. 908, THE STATE DEPARTMENT REAUTHORIZATION BILL AND SEND A CLOTURE PETITION TO THE DESK ON THE MOTION.

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  • 05:22:27 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE CLERK WILL READ THE PETITION.

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    THE CLERK: CLOTURE MOTION

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MR. LOTT: I NOW WITHDRAW THE…

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MR. LOTT: I NOW WITHDRAW THE MOTION TO PROCEED.

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  • 05:23:20 PM

    MR. LOTT

    I NOW WITHDRAW THE MOTION TO PROCEED. SFERT MOTION IS WITHDRAWN. LOLT LOT…

    I NOW WITHDRAW THE MOTION TO PROCEED. SFERT MOTION IS WITHDRAWN. LOLT LOT MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE SENATE TURN TO THE CONSIDERATION OF S. 961, THE FOREIGN AID AUTHORIZATION BILL IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE DISPOSITION OF S. 641, THE RYAN WHITE BILL. MR. DASHCLE:

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  • 05:23:36 PM

    MR. DASHCLE

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE MINORITY LEADER. MR. DASHCLE: FOR ALL THE REASONS ALREADY PROVIDED, I…

    THE MINORITY LEADER. MR. DASHCLE: FOR ALL THE REASONS ALREADY PROVIDED, I OBJECT. THE

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  • 05:23:38 PM

    MR. DASHCLE

    FOR ALL THE REASONS ALREADY PROVIDED, I OBJECT. THE PRESIDING OFFICER:…

    FOR ALL THE REASONS ALREADY PROVIDED, I OBJECT. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: OBJECTION IS HEARD.

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  • 05:23:41 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: OBJECTION IS HEARD.

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    MR. LOTT

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL READ THE PETITION.

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    THE CLERK: CLOTURE MOTION

    MOTION: WE THE UNDERSIGNED SENATORS IN ACCORDANCE TO THE PROVISIONS OF…

    MOTION: WE THE UNDERSIGNED SENATORS IN ACCORDANCE TO THE PROVISIONS OF RULE 22 OF THE STANDING RULES OF THE SENATE, DO HEREBY MOVE TO BRING TO A CLOSE DEBATE ON THE MOTION TO PROCEED TO S. 961, THE FOREIGN ASSISTANCE AUTHORIZATION BILL, SIGNED BY 16 SENATORS AS FOLLOWS: COATS, ABRAHAM, KASSEBAUM, SANTORUM, HELMS, GREGG, THURMOND, SNOWE, DOLE, COCHRAN, COVERDELL, CRAIG, GRAMM OF TEXAS, HUTCHISON, GRAMS OF MINNESOTA AND LOTT. MR. LOTT: MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE CLOTURE VOTE OCCUR ON FRIDAY IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE 10: 00 A.

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  • 05:24:32 PM

    MR. LOTT

    MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE CLOTURE VOTE OCCUR ON…

    MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE CLOTURE VOTE OCCUR ON FRIDAY IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE 10: 00 A. M. CLOTURE VOTE, IF NOT A VOTE, AND THE MANDATORY QUORUM UNDER RULE 22 BE WAIVED. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION.

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  • 05:24:43 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION.

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    MR. LOTT

    I THERE, NOW WITHDRAW THE MOTION TO PROCEED.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    FLOOR. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA.

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    MR. HELMS

    AN AMENDMENT TO THE -- BY THE WAY, BEFORE I DO THIS, THE INTENT OF SENATOR…

    AN AMENDMENT TO THE -- BY THE WAY, BEFORE I DO THIS, THE INTENT OF SENATOR KASSEBAUM AND I' M SURE SENATOR KENNEDY AND CERTAINLY OF ME IS TO HAVE TWO AMENDMENTS VOTED ON BACK TO BACK AS NEAR TO 6: 00 OR SHORTLY THEREAFTER AS POSSIBLE. THEN WE WILL CONTINUE WITH TWO MORE AMENDMENTS WITH NO FURTHER ROLL CALL VOTES THIS EVENING. TOMORROW MORNING WE WILL VOTE ON TWO ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS PLUS FINAL PASSAGE ON THE RYAN WHITE. DID I STATE IT CORRECTLY?

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  • 05:25:32 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    YES.

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    MR. HELMS

    YES.

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    WOULD BE TOMORROW MORNING AS WELL.

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    MR. HELMS

    CRPEACT. SO, MR. PRESIDENT?

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE STPHOER FROM NEVADA.

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    MR. BRYAN

    I TALK WITH THE DISTINGUISHED FLOOR MANAGERS. I NEED AT LEAST FIVE MINUTES…

    I TALK WITH THE DISTINGUISHED FLOOR MANAGERS. I NEED AT LEAST FIVE MINUTES AT SOME TIME TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK AS IN F. IN MORNING BUSINESS. THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA HAS THE FLOOR. I DON' T WANT TO IN ANY WAY ENCROACH UPON HIS TIME. BUT I NEED TO DO THIS AND RETURN TO MY OFFICE ON ANOTHER MATTER. MR. HELMS: DID THE SENATOR SAY HE NEEDED FIVE MINUTES?

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  • 05:26:06 PM

    MR. HELMS

    FIVE.

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    MR. BRYAN

    FIVE.

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    MR. HELMS

    PROCEED. MR. FORD: MR. PRESIDENT, BEFORE THE SENATOR -- AND I WANT TO TAKE…

    PROCEED. MR. FORD: MR. PRESIDENT, BEFORE THE SENATOR -- AND I WANT TO TAKE JUST A MINUTE -- MR. HELMS:

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    MR. FORD

    PRESIDENT, BEFORE THE SENATOR -- AND I WANT TO TAKE JUST A MINUTE -- MR.…

    PRESIDENT, BEFORE THE SENATOR -- AND I WANT TO TAKE JUST A MINUTE -- MR. HELMS: MR. PRESIDENT, STILL

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  • 05:26:15 PM

    MR. HELMS

    JUST A MINUTE -- MR. HELMS: MR. PRESIDENT, STILL HAVE THE FLOOR, IS THAT…

    JUST A MINUTE -- MR. HELMS: MR. PRESIDENT, STILL HAVE THE FLOOR, IS THAT RIGHT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA HAS THE FLOOR.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA HAS THE FLOOR.

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    MR. FORD

    I APOLOGIZE. I THOUGHT WHEN YOU DID THAT YOU GAVE THE FLOOR UP.

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    MR. HELMS

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    I WILL BE HAPPY TO.

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    MR. HELMS

    I WILL BE HAPPY TO.

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    MR. KENNEDY

    LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO THE SENATOR. BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE…

    LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO THE SENATOR. BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE ARE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS ON THIS LEGISLATION. I ANY WE' VE JUST HAD AN INDICATION OF -- I THINK WE' VE JHUS AN INDICATION OF SOME OF THE SCHEDULING CHALLENGES AND DIFFICULTIES WE' RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE OUR MEMBERS. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN IN RESPONSE TO THE GREATER NUMBER OF THE SENATORS TO DEAL WITH THESE AMENDMENTS AND TRY AND DISPOSE OF THEM. WE' RE ALWAYS TRYING -- THE MEMBERS WANT TO HAVE MATTERS SUFFICIENT IN IMPORTANCE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE STPHATS. WE WANT TO ACCOMMODATE THE GREATEST NUMBER OF SENATORS, SO WE CAN TRY AND DISCUSS AND DEBATE THESE ISSUES AND TRY TO WORK THEM OUT TO THE ACCIDENT EXTENT THAT WEEK. THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN IS TO HAVE THE MATTERS UP BEFORE THE SENATE. SO I' M NOT GOING TO OBJECT TO THE -- NOW AT THE PRESENT TIME. BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT JUST TO TRY AND PROVIDE THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF ACCOMMODATION TO OUR COLLEAGUES THAT WE COULD HAVE WHATEVER TIME THAT WE DO HAVE THIS EVENING FOCUSED ON THIS BILL.

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  • 05:27:54 PM

    MR. FORD

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM KENTUCKY. MR. FORD: MR. PRESIDENT, PARLIMENTARY…

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM KENTUCKY. MR. FORD: MR. PRESIDENT, PARLIMENTARY INQUIRY.

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  • 05:27:58 PM

    MR. FORD

    KENTUCKY. MR. FORD: MR. PRESIDENT, PARLIMENTARY INQUIRY. THE DISTINGUISHED…

    KENTUCKY. MR. FORD: MR. PRESIDENT, PARLIMENTARY INQUIRY. THE DISTINGUISHED MAJORITY WHIP HAS JUST OFFERED A MOTION AS IT RELATES TO CLOTURE ON A MOTION TO PROCEED. NOW, IF THAT MOTION TO PROCEED -- IF CLOTURE IS INVOKED AND RYAN WHITE LEGISLATION HAS NOT BEEN FINISHED, THE REFORM LEGISLATION HAS NOT BEEN FINISHED, THE GIFT BAN HAS NOT BEEN FINISHED, DO THEY ALL GO BACK TO THE CALENDAR IF CLOTURE IS INVOKED?

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  • 05:28:45 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WE WOULD REMAIN ON THE CLOTURED ITEM UNTIL IT WAS DISPOSED OF.

  • 05:28:51 PM

    MR. FORD

    GO BACK TO THE CALENDAR?

  • 05:28:53 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR IS CORRECT.

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    MR. FORD

    BECAUSE THE WILL OF THE BODY HAS BEEN THAT THEN THE LEGISLATION WOULD BE…

    BECAUSE THE WILL OF THE BODY HAS BEEN THAT THEN THE LEGISLATION WOULD BE THAT MOTION PROPOSED BY THE MAJORITY WHIP.

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  • 05:29:08 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    IF THE SENATOR WOULD NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTION, I WILL PROCEED FOR ABOUT FOUR…

    IF THE SENATOR WOULD NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTION, I WILL PROCEED FOR ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MINUTES -- OFFICER OFFICER --

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  • 05:29:16 PM

    MR. BRYAN

    IF THE SENATOR WOULD NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTION, I WILL PROCEED FOR ABOUT FOUR…

    IF THE SENATOR WOULD NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTION, I WILL PROCEED FOR ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MINUTES -- OFFICER OFFICER --

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  • 05:29:26 PM

    MR. FORD

    I APOLOGIZE NOT SENATOR FROM NEVADA.

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    MR. BRYAN

    MR. PRESIDENT, LET ME EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR…

    MR. PRESIDENT, LET ME EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA AND THE FLOOR LEADERSHIP, WHO I RECOGNIZE HAVE VERY DIFFICULT AND DIFFERENT TIME CONSTRAINTS. I WANT TO TALK TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR A MOMENT REGARDING THE SITUATION WHICH HAS ARISEN ON THE QUESTION OF HOLDING PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE CHARGES BROUGHT BY THE SENATE ETHICS COMMITTEE AGAINST SENATOR PACKWOOD. AND AS A RESULT THE REMARKS ON THE FLOOR LAST FRIDAY BY THE ETHICS COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN. IF I WANT TO BRIEFLY TELL MEMBERS OF THE SENATE WHERE THE PROCESS NOW STANDS IN TERMS OF THE ETHICS COMMITTEE. THE ETHICS COMMITTEE RULES PROVIDE FOR A THREE- TIER PROCESS. THE FIRST STAGE -- PRELIMINARY INQUIRY. SECOND STAGE -- INITIAL REVIEW. AND THE INVESTIGATION PHASES. THE ETHICS COMMITTEE COMPLETED ITS PRELIMINARY INQUIRY AND VOTED ON MAY 16 OF THIS YEAR TO SKIP THE INITIAL REVIEW PHASE AND MOVE INTO THE FINAL INVESTIGATIVE PHASE. SINCE THE THROUGH- TIER PROCESS WAS CREATED, ONLY FOUR OTHER CASES HAVE GONE TO THE FINAL INVESTIGATIVE STAGE. THE COMMITTEE FOUND THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL CREDIBLE EVIDENCE THAT A VIOLATION MAY HAVE OCCURRED IN 18 INCIDENTS OF ALLEGED SEXUAL MISCONDUCT, INTENTIONAL TAMPERING OF THE EVIDENCE AND IMPROPERLY SOLICITING FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE. AT THAT POINT, UNDER OUR RULES, THE COMMITTEE OFFERED SENATOR PACKWOOD AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR BEFORE THE COMMITTEE AND HE AVAILED HIMSELF OF THAT OPPORTUNITY ON JUNE 27 THROUGH THE 29TH. AS THE MEDIA HAS REPORTED, WHEN THE SENATE RETURNED FROM THE JULY 4TH RECESS, THE COMMITTEE BEGAN MEETING AGAIN. AT THAT POINT IN THE PROCESS, IT WAS TIME FOR THE COMMITTEE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT ELSE NEEDED TO BE DONE IN THE INVESTIGATIVE PHASE, INCLUDING THE QUESTION OF HOLDING PUBLIC HEARINGS. THAT IS WHERE THE PROCESS STOOD WHEN THE COMMITTEE MET ON JULY 11 AND 12TH, MEETINGS WHICH HAVE BEEN DULY REPORTED IN THE MEDIA. I WENT TO THE JULY 12 MEETING THINKING WE WOULD VOTE THAT DAY ON THE QUESTION OF HOLDING PUBLIC HEARINGS. THE MEDIA HAS REPORTED THAT THE COMMITTEE DID NOT VOTE THAT DAY AND THAT THE MEETING SET FOR JULY 13 WAS CANCELED. THE CHAIRMAN OF THE ETHICS COMMITTEE ACKNOWLEDGED ON THE FLOOR LAST FRIDAY THAT NO OTHER MEETINGS ARE PLANNED. THE ONE THING I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR WITHOUT GETTING INTO A LONG DEBATE AT THIS TIME ON THE MERITS OF PUBLIC HEARINGS IS THAT HOLDING PUBLIC HEARINGS IN THIS CASE WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW AND WELL- ESTABLISHED PRECEDENT. THOSE OF US WHO ARE ADVOCATING PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE THE RULES OF THE GAME. ALL FOUR OTHER CASES WHICH WENT INTO THE FINAL INVESTIGATIVE PHASE HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS. INDEED, EVERY MAJOR ETHICS CASE THIS CENTURY HAS HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS. THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST CASE TO BE THE EXCEPTION. THE PROCESS, MR. PRESIDENT, NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD. I KNOW OF NO REASON THE ETHICS COMMITTEE HAS NOT MET NOR ANY REASON WHY THE COMMITTEE HAS NOT VOTED ON THE QUESTION OF HOLDING PUBLIC HEARINGS. I AMFULLY PREPARED TO DO SO. WE HAVE NOW GONE TWO WEEKS WITHOUT A COMMITTEE HEARING. TODAY I WROTE THE CHAIRMAN APPEALING TO HIM TO CALL A MEETING OF THE ETHICS COMMITTEE THIS WEEK FOR THE PURPOSE OF VOTING ON THE QUESTION OF HOLDING PUBLIC HEARINGS. WHATEVER MAY HAPPEN OR NOT HAPPEN ON THE FLOOR IS A SEPARATE ISSUE. THERE IS SIMPLY NO REASON FOR THE COMMITTEE TO DELAY FURTHER FURTHER, AND I HOPE THE CHAIRMAN WILL ESTABLISH A MEETING TIME THIS WEEK SO THAT THE COMMITTEE CAN PROCEED WITH ITS BUSINESS. I THANK THE CHAIR, I YIELD THE FLOOR, AND I THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR ACCOMMODATION.

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  • 05:33:11 PM

    MR. HELMS

    PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA. MR.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA.

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    MR. HELMS

    I THANK THE CHAIR, AND I THANK MY FRIEND. I HAVE AN UNPRINTED AMENDMENT…

    I THANK THE CHAIR, AND I THANK MY FRIEND. I HAVE AN UNPRINTED AMENDMENT AND I SEND IT TO THE DESK AND ASK THAT IT BE STATED. WILL REPORT THE AMENDMENT.

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  • 05:33:25 PM

    THE CLERK

    THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA, MR. HELMS, PROPOSES AN AMENDMENT NUMBERED…

    THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA, MR. HELMS, PROPOSES AN AMENDMENT NUMBERED 1854. AT THE END, ADD THE FOLLOWING NEW SECTION: PROHIBITIONS AND LIMITATIONS ON THE USE OF FEDERAL FUNDS. ( A) PROMOTION OR ENCOURAGEMENT OF CERTAIN ACTIVITIES. NO FUNDS AUTHORIZED TO BE APPROPRIATED UNDER THIS ACT MAY BE USED TO PROMOTE OR ENCOURAGE, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, HOMOSEXUALITY OR INTRAVENOUS DRUG USE. ( B) DEFENSE.

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  • 05:34:00 PM

    MR. HELMS

    MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT FURTHER READING OF THE…

    MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT FURTHER READING OF THE AMENDMENT BE DISPENSED WITH. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: SO ORDERED.

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  • 05:34:03 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITH. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: SO ORDERED.

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    MR. HELMS

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    MR. PRESIDENT, I GUESS I WAS TRYING TO GET A COPY OF THE LANGUAGE THAT HAD…

    MR. PRESIDENT, I GUESS I WAS TRYING TO GET A COPY OF THE LANGUAGE THAT HAD BEEN USED. THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA MENTIONED WE HAD PASSED BEFORE. YOU MENTIONED THAT IT HAD PASSED BY A LARGE VOTE BEFORE. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT WAS THE SAME LANGUAGE AS IN THIS, THE EXACT SAME LANGUAGE?

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  • 05:40:30 PM

    MR. HELMS

    IF THE PAGE WILL COME AND TAKE THIS TO SENATOR KASSEBAUM.

  • 05:40:34 PM

    MR. KASSEBAUM

    BECAUSE I DON' T THINK THAT ANYONE COULD QUORUM WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT…

    BECAUSE I DON' T THINK THAT ANYONE COULD QUORUM WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD SAY, " NONE OF THE FUNDS AUTHORIZED UNDER A TITLE SHOULD BE USED TO FUND AIDS PROGRAMS OR TO DEVELOP MATERIALS PROMOTING, ENCOURAGING, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, HOMOSEXUALITY OR INTRAVENOUS DRUG USE." BUT I WAS UNCERTAIN ABOUT GETTING INTO A DEFINITION OF HOMOSEXUALITY. BUT I CLEARLY WOULD HAVE NO OBJECTION TO SAYING THAT " NO FUNDS SHOULD BE AUTHORIZED TO BE IN PROMOTION." AND IF I MAY, I WANT TO LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE THAT WE PASSED BEFORE.

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  • 05:41:22 PM

    MR. HELMS

    THE SENATORS -- THE MANAGERS OF THE BILL WISH TO PROCEED, LET ME KNOW AND…

    THE SENATORS -- THE MANAGERS OF THE BILL WISH TO PROCEED, LET ME KNOW AND WE' LL GET THE YEAS AND NAYS AND SET THIS ONE ASIDE AND MAKE IT THE BACK- TO- BACK -- ONE OF THE BACK- TO- BACK ROLL CALL VOTES AS NEAR 6: 00 AS POSSIBLE.

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  • 05:41:39 PM

    MR. KENNEDY

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    MR. PRESIDENT, I APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO SEE A COPY OF WHAT WAS PASSED…

    MR. PRESIDENT, I APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO SEE A COPY OF WHAT WAS PASSED BEFORE, WHICH WAS AN AMENDMENT ON THE APPROPRIATIONS BILL, NOT THE RYAN WHITE LEGISLATION LEGISLATION. AND IT DID NOT HAVE A DEFINITION IN IT EITHER. AGAIN, IT WAS LANGUAGE DESIGNED TO PROHIBIT FUNDS TO BE USED FOR PROMOTIONAL ACTIVITIES. AND AS I SAID, I CERTAINLY THINK THERE WOULD BE CONCURRENCE WITH THAT. IF THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA WANTS THE LEGISLATION THAT HE -- AND THE AMENDMENT THAT HE HAS PRESENTED TO BE VOTED ON WITHOUT ANY MEANS OF AMENDING IT, I CERTAINLY RESPECT THAT AND WE' LL HAVE AN UP- OR- DOWN VOTE. I WILL INTEND LATER TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT WHICH WOULD BE THE SAME LANGUAGE AS THE SENATOR FROM SOUTH CAROLINA -- NORTH CAROLINA BUT WITHOUT THE DEFINITION PART. AND WOULD SUGGEST PERHAPS, IF WE WANT TO GO AHEAD WITH THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND THEN, AS YOU SAY, WE COULD HAVE BACK- TO- BACK VOTES.

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  • 05:46:07 PM

    MR. HELMS

    I SUPPOSE IT WOULD BE -- IT' S NOT NECESSARY TO GET THE YEAS AND NAYS YET…

    I SUPPOSE IT WOULD BE -- IT' S NOT NECESSARY TO GET THE YEAS AND NAYS YET ON THIS PENDING AMENDMENT. SO WE' LL LAY THAT ASIDE, IF THE CHAIR WILL PERMIT US TO DO SO. AND I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT IN THAT REGARD.

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  • 05:46:21 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION.

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    MR. HELMS

    NOW, MR. PRESIDENT -- AND I ASK THAT THE FURNISH THE MANAGER OF THE BILL A…

    NOW, MR. PRESIDENT -- AND I ASK THAT THE FURNISH THE MANAGER OF THE BILL A COPY.

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  • 05:46:50 PM

    MR. KENNEDY

    CERTAINLY.

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    MR. HELMS

    CERTAINLY.

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    MR. KENNEDY

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    Quorum Call

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    MR. WARNER

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    MR. WARNER

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    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE QUORUM CALL BE WITHDRAWN.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION. MR. WARNER: MR. PRESIDENT, IF -- THE PRESIDING OFFICER:…

    WITHOUT OBJECTION. MR. WARNER: MR. PRESIDENT, IF -- THE PRESIDING OFFICER: OBJECTION IS HEARD. MR.

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  • 05:56:02 PM

    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, IF -- THE PRESIDING OFFICER: OBJECTION IS HEARD. MR.…

    MR. PRESIDENT, IF -- THE PRESIDING OFFICER: OBJECTION IS HEARD. MR. WARNER: MR.

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  • 05:56:03 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: OBJECTION IS HEARD. MR. WARNER: MR. PRESIDENT, COULD I HAVE THE…

    OFFICER: OBJECTION IS HEARD. MR. WARNER: MR. PRESIDENT, COULD I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS JUST THE REASON FOR IT.

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  • 05:56:04 PM

    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, COULD I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS JUST THE REASON FOR…

    MR. PRESIDENT, COULD I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS JUST THE REASON FOR IT. THERE ARE SEVERAL OF US SPEAKING IN HONOR OF THE 40TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE KOREAN WAR AND IT WOULD NOT TAKE MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES. COULD I RENEW MY REQUEST, MR. PRESIDENT, FOR THE UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST BE WITHDRAWN.

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  • 05:56:23 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    SUCH THAT THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA FOR A PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED FIVE…

    SUCH THAT THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA FOR A PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED FIVE MINUTES, COULD MAKE COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO --

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  • 05:56:35 PM

    MR. WARNER

    SUCH THAT THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA FOR A PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED FIVE…

    SUCH THAT THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA FOR A PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED FIVE MINUTES, COULD MAKE COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO --

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  • 05:56:44 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE QUORUM CALL BE WITHDRAWN.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    IS THERE OBJECTION?

  • 05:56:53 PM

    MR. WARNER

    MR. PRESIDENT, THE 40TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE KOREAN WAR WILL BE CELEBRATED…

    MR. PRESIDENT, THE 40TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE KOREAN WAR WILL BE CELEBRATED IN THE NATION' S CAPITAL AND, INDEED, IN KOREA AND IN MANY OTHER PLACES THIS WEEK. I WAS PRIVILEGED TO HAVE A SMALL AND MODEST PARTICIPATION IN THAT WAR AS A MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS. I VOLUNTEERED FOR A SECOND PERIOD OF ACTIVE MILITARY SERVICE, HAVING SERVED BRIEFLY AT THE END OF WORLD WAR II. AND THE THREE OF US HERE IN THE SENATE, SO FAR AS I KNOW, THE ONLY THREE WHO SERVED IN THE MARINES IN KOREA, ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THE SENATE IN SEQUENCE OVER THE NEXT THREE DAYS. IT' S MY PRIVILEGE TO MAKE BRIEF REMARKS TODAY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM OHIO, MR. GLENN, WHO WAS IN MARINE CORPS AVIATION, WILL SPEAK TOMORROW. AND ON THE THIRD DAY, OUR DISTINGUISHED COLLEAGUE FROM RHODE ISLAND, SENATOR CHAFEE. MR. PRESIDENT, IT IS MOST FITTING AT THIS TIME TO PAUSE TO REFLECT ON THE SERVICE AND SACRIFICE OF AMERICA' S 5. 7 MILLION KOREAN WAR VETERANS. AND THOSE FROM 21 OTHER NATIONS, WHICH MADE UP A MULTINATIONAL FORCE THAT RESPONDED IN THE CALL OF FREEDOM TO THE INVASION BY NORTH KOREA INTO THE SOUTH KOREAN PROVINCES. I TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN HAVING HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SERVED IN THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS. I ENTERED SERVICE ON THE THIRD OF -- I ENTERED SERVICE ON THE 3RD OF OCTOBER, HAVING VOLUNTEERED DURING THE SUMMER OF 1950, WENT TO QUANTICO WITH A GROUP OF OFFICERS, MOST OF WHOM HAD, LIKE ME, SERVED FOR A BRIEF PERIOD IN WORLD WAR II. AND THEN EVENTUALLY MOST OF US SAW SERVICE IN KOREA. TO GO BACK HISTORICALLY, ON THE 25TH OF JUNE, 1950, THE NORTH KOREAN PEOPLE' S ARMY HAD INVADED THE REPUBLIC OF KOREA IN A FORCEABLE EFFORT ALLEGEDLY TO UNIFY THAT LAND MASS INTO A COMMONIST STATE. THE NORTH KOREANS SWEPT OVER THE 38TH PARALLEL AND OCCUPIED SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA' S CAPITAL, IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. THE UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL IMMEDIATELY CALLED UPON THE FREE WORLD TO RENDER ASSIST EBS TO THE STRUGGLING SOUTH KOREA -- ASSISTANCE TO THE STRUGGLING SOUTH KOREAN GOVERNMENT. PRESIDENT HARRY S. TRUMAN, A VERY COURAGEOUS PRESIDENT AND ONE WHO WAS A STRONG FOE OF COMMUNISM, SAW THIS AS AN EFFORT OF COMMUNISM TO SPREAD IN THE WORLD. AND IMMEDIATELY HE RESPONDED TO THE U. N. CALL FOR ASSISTANCE AND ORDERED THE SEVENTH FLEET AND THE FAR EASTERN AIR UNITS TO SUPPORT THE SOUTH KOREAN MILITARY FORCES. TRUMAN' S FAR EASTERN COMMANDER, GENERAL DOUGLAS MACARTHUR, MADE IT CLEAR THAT ONLY AMERICAN GROUND FORCES COULD PREVENT THE COMPLETE COLLAPSE OF THE REPUBLIC OF KOREA. THE PRESIDENT AGREED. AND IN EARLY JULY AMERICAN FORCES JOINED THE SOUTH KOREAN MILITARY FORCES IN LAND, SEA, AND AIR IN OPERATIONS AGAINST THE NORTH KOREAN PEOPLE' S ARMY. AT THE OUTBREAK OF THE KOREAN WAR, THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS WAS IN A CONDITION OF LESS THAN FULL READINESS. RECALLING THAT PERIOD OF HISTORY VERY VIVIDLY, BECAUSE HAVING SERVED FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS IN THE MARINE CORPS RESERVE PRIOR TO THIS, I WAS WELL AWARE, AS WERE ALL OTHER MARINES, THAT OUR FUNDS HAD BEEN CUT BACK SEVERELY IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME TIME, AND THE READINESS WAS AT LESS THAN FULL STATE. THAT WAS BECAUSE OF FIVE YEARS OF DECLINING BUDGETS. THE MARINE CORPS STRENGTH HAD DROPPED FROM NEARLY A HALF MILLION MEN IN 1945 TO ONLY 75, 000 MEN AND WOMEN IN JUNE OF 1950. NEFERT LESS, GENERAL CLIFTON B. KATES, THEN COMMANDANT OF THE MARINE CORPS, FELT THAT THE MARINES, MANY OF WHOM WERE SEASONED VETERANS OF WORLD WAR II, COULD EFFECTIVELY MEET THE CHALLENGE OF BATTLE. HE, THEREFORE, TOGETHER WITH THE CHIEF OF NAVAL OPERATIONS, ADMIRAL FOR REST C. SHERMAN, ADVISED MCARTHUR, THAT THE FIRST MARINE DIVISION WOULD BE READY FOR ACTION WHEN CALLED. GENERAL KATES PUT HIS MARINES WORLDWIDE ON ALERT. HE RECOMMENDED ADDITIONALLY A RECALL OF RESERVES IN AN EFFORT TO BRING THE MARINE CORPS STRENGTH UP. AND HOW WELL I RECALL THE FIRST BASIC CLASS OF WHICH I WAS A MEMBER IN OCTOBER 1950. THEY WERE ALL RESERVES RECALLED TO ACTIVE DUTY. AS I SAID, MANY HAVING SERVED FOR PERIODS DURING WORLD WAR II. WITHIN A VERY BRIEF PERIOD, THE MARINES ONCE AGAIN WOULD BE SAILING ACROSS THE PACIFIC TO ANSWER THE NATION' S CALL TO ARMS TO DEFEND FREEDOM. MR. PRESIDENT, AS I RISE TO MAKE THESE BRIEF REMARKS TODAY, I' M REMINDED OF THOSE WITH WHOM I WAS PRIVILEGED TO SERVE, WHO GAVE THE FULL MEASURE, WHO GAVE THEIR LIFE IN THE CAUSE OF FREEDOM IN THAT CONFLICT. I WAS FOR A BRIEF PERIOD WITH A SQUADRON IN THE THIRD MARINE AIR WING AND EVENTUALLY WITH AN AIR GROUP, MARINE AIR GROUP 33. AND EACH DAY SORTIES WERE FLOWN AND, REGRETTABLY, PERIODICALLY A NUMBER DID NOT RETURN. I SHALL RECALL ONE INDIVIDUAL VERY WELL. HIS NAME WAS CAPTAIN KOHL. CAPTAIN KOHL HAD BEEN A MEMBER OF V. M. F. 21, A MARINE SQUADRON OPERATING OUT OF AN KOS IN A PRIOR TO ITS TRANSFORMATION TO A HELICOPTER BASE. WE HAD- VERY CLOSE DEPRENDS, AS I LIKEWISE WAS A MEMBER OF THE RESERVES IN THAT SQUADRON. CAPTAIN KOHL WAS A SCHOOLTEACHER. HE HAD SERVED IN WORLD WAR 2. BUT WHEN HIS SQUODE RON WAS CALLED TO ACTIVE DUTY -- WHEN HIS SQUADRON WAS CALLED TO ACTIVE DUTY, HE UNHESITATINGLY RESPOND AND JOINED. ON NOVEMBER 11, 1951, BY CHANCE THE AIRPLANE IN WHICH I WAS THEN AN OBSERVER LANDED AT AN AIRFIELD WHERE CAPTAIN KOHL WAS STATIONED. AND THAT WAS THE LAST TIME I SAW HIM. WEEKS LATER HE WAS KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY IN KOREA. AND I' M EVERLASTINGLY GRATEFUL THAT HIS FAMILY HAS ALLOWED ME TO HANG IN MY OFFICE A PICTURE OF MY DEAR FRIEND, CAPTAIN KOHL. I MENTION HIM ONLY BECAUSE THERE WERE MANY OTHERS, BUT HE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF AN AMERICAN, HAVING COME BACK FROM WORLD WAR II, REMAINING IN THE RESERVES SO THAT THIS COUNTRY COULD BE STRONG, DEDICATING HIS LIFE TO TEACHING CHILDREN AND UNHESITATINGLY RESPONDING TO THE CALL OF BATTLE. I RECENTLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH HIS SON, WHO WAS A VERY YOUNG PERSON AT THE TIME OF HIS DEATH, SO THAT I COULD CONVEY TO HIM SOME OF MY RECOLLECTIONS ABOUT HIS FATHER. BUT, MR. PRESIDENT, I' M PRIVILEGED TO JOIN HERE IN THESE REMARKS, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THE REMARKS OF TWO OTHER VETERANS OF THAT CONFLICT -- SENATORS GLENN AND CHAFEE, WHO WERE FAR MORE ACTIVE IN THE COMBAT ROLE THAN I AND WHO DESERBTF GREAT RESPECT FOR HAVING MADE THEIR CONTRIBUTION IN THIS CONFLICT IN THE CAUSE OF FREEDOM. I YIELD THE FLOOR, AND I THANK VERY MUCH MY COLLEAGUES FOR ALLOWING ME TO MAKE THESE BRIEF REMARKS.

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  • 06:05:38 PM

    MR. WELLSTONE

  • 06:05:39 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFIEER

    THE SENATOR FROM MINNESOTA.

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    MR. WELLSTONE

    MR. PRESIDENT, PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY? ARE WE BACK NOW ON THE HELMS…

    MR. PRESIDENT, PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY? ARE WE BACK NOW ON THE HELMS AMENDMENT? A SENATOR: WE WOULD BE, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, MR. PRESIDENT. BUT THERE ARE SOME NEGOTIATIONS ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE OF THE AISLE THAT ARE ONGOING. A SENATOR: MR. PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFIEER: AT THE PRESENT TIME THE PRESIDENT ANNOUNCES THAT HELMS AMENDMENT NUMBER 1854 HAS BEEN SET ASIDE.

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  • 06:06:02 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFIEER

    AT THE PRESENT TIME THE PRESIDENT ANNOUNCES THAT HELMS AMENDMENT NUMBER…

    AT THE PRESENT TIME THE PRESIDENT ANNOUNCES THAT HELMS AMENDMENT NUMBER 1854 HAS BEEN SET ASIDE. SO, THE -- WE ARE SIMPLY ON THE BILL.

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  • 06:06:17 PM

    MR. WELLSTONE

    PRESIDENT, I THANK THE CHAIR. MR. PRESIDENT, I WANTED TO SPEAK BRIEFLY…

    PRESIDENT, I THANK THE CHAIR. MR. PRESIDENT, I WANTED TO SPEAK BRIEFLY WHILE -- WELL, FIRST OF ALL, TRANSITION. LET ME THANK THE SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA FOR HIS REMARKS. I DIDN' T MEAN TO MAKE SUCH AN AP BANKRUPT TRANSITION TO YOUR VERY PERSONAL -- SUCH AN ABRUPT TRANSITION TO YOUR VERY PERSONAL REMARKS. SOMETIMES WE RUSH A LOT. I APOLOGIZE. MR. WARNER: MR. PRESIDENT, I WAS UNAWARE.

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  • 06:06:43 PM

    MR. WARNER

    I APOLOGIZE. MR. WARNER: MR. PRESIDENT, I WAS UNAWARE. I WAS TOTALLY…

    I APOLOGIZE. MR. WARNER: MR. PRESIDENT, I WAS UNAWARE. I WAS TOTALLY ABSORBED IN WHAT I WAS SAYING.

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  • 06:06:50 PM

    MR. WELLSTONE

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    THE PRESIDING OFFIEER

    THE ABSENCE OF A QUORUM HAS BEEN SUGGESTED.

  • 06:10:23 PM

    MR. HELMS

    MAY I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE THE SENATOR ASKS FOR THE QUORUM CALL? WHAT IS…

    MAY I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE THE SENATOR ASKS FOR THE QUORUM CALL? WHAT IS UP? WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING ON THIS BILL.

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  • 06:10:34 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFIEER

    EXCUSE ME. WE' RE UNDER A QUORUM CALL. DOES THE SENATOR FROM NORTH…

    EXCUSE ME. WE' RE UNDER A QUORUM CALL. DOES THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE QUORUM CALL BE DISPENSED WITH? WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE QUORUM CALL IS DISPENSED WITH. THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA IS RECOGNIZED. MR. HELMS: CERTAINLY. PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME.

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  • 06:10:45 PM

    MR. HELMS

    CERTAINLY. PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME. WE WERE TRYING TO BE FINISHED WITH THIS…

    CERTAINLY. PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME. WE WERE TRYING TO BE FINISHED WITH THIS BILL AT 6: 00. AND I, AS A MATTER OF COURTESY TO THE SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS, I PERMITTED HIM TO ENTER A QUORUM CALL. I HAD THE FLOOR. I DIDN' T HAVE TO DO THAT. NOW, WHEN CAN WE EXPECT SOME ACTION ON THESE AMENDMENTS AND THE BILL? I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMETHING ELSE THAT I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH. THE PRESIDING OFFIEER: THE SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS.

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  • 06:11:14 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFIEER

    THE SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS.

  • 06:11:18 PM

    MR. KENNEDY

    WOULD WELCOME WORKING OUT A PROCESS OF PROCEDURE BY WHICH WE WOULD GET A…

    WOULD WELCOME WORKING OUT A PROCESS OF PROCEDURE BY WHICH WE WOULD GET A DETERMINATION AND A JUDGMENT ON THESE MEASURES. I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE WILL BE OBJECTION TO GETTING THE VOTES THIS EVENING. THAT WE WOULDN' T BE ABLE TO MOVE TOWARDS THE VOTES. BUT WHERE WE COULD WORK OUT AN AGREEMENT WHICH WOULD PERMIT THE VOTE UP AND DOWN ON THE SENATOR' S AMENDMENTS, BUT ALSO OTHER AMENDMENTS AS WELL THAT WOULD BE RELATED TO THE SENATOR' S AMENDMENTS. AND I WAS CONSULTING WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE TO TRY AND SEE HOW THAT -- HOW THAT PROCESS COULD BE REALIZED. AND I OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE SENATOR TALKING OR SPEAKING, THE DEBATE ON THESE MATTERS. WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO IS WORK OUT WITH THE FLOOR MANAGER AT LEAST A PROCESS AND A PROCEDURE SO THAT WE COULD GET VOTES ON THE AMENDMENTS OF THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA AND ALSO ON AMENDMENTS THAT ARE RELATED TO THE SIMILAR SUBJECTS AND DO THAT IN A WAY WHICH WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE GREATEST NUMBER OF MEMBERS.

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  • 06:12:37 PM

    MR. HELMS

    THE SENATOR JUST SAID YOU WERE NOT GOING TO PERMIT ANY MORE VOTES TONIGHT.…

    THE SENATOR JUST SAID YOU WERE NOT GOING TO PERMIT ANY MORE VOTES TONIGHT. WHO IS NOT GOING TO PERMIT --

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    MR. KENNEDY

    THERE IS OBJECTION TO MOVING TOWARDS THE CONCLUSION OF THE VOTES, TO…

    THERE IS OBJECTION TO MOVING TOWARDS THE CONCLUSION OF THE VOTES, TO HAVING VOTES THIS EVENING.

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  • 06:12:52 PM

    MR. HELMS

    SENATOR IS SAYING THEN, THAT THE ANNOUNCEMENT I MADE THAT WE WOULD ATTEMPT…

    SENATOR IS SAYING THEN, THAT THE ANNOUNCEMENT I MADE THAT WE WOULD ATTEMPT TO HAVE TWO MORE ROLL CALL VOTES AND THEN FINISH THE DEBATE ON THE REMAINING AMENDMENTS AND GO TO A VOTE TOMORROW MORNING ON THE TWO REMAINING VOTES AND FINAL PASSAGE OF THE RYAN WHITE BILL, SO THAT' S BEING OBJECTED TO NOW?

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  • 06:13:13 PM

    MR. KENNEDY

    WELL, I WANT TO SAY TO THE SENATOR, THE SENATOR MADE THAT REQUEST AT THE…

    WELL, I WANT TO SAY TO THE SENATOR, THE SENATOR MADE THAT REQUEST AT THE -- AT 5: 30 WITHOUT US GETTING A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE AMENDMENTS. AS FAR AS I' M CONCERNED, WE OUGHT TO GET A JUDGMENT. I' M QUITE PREPARED TO STAY HERE TO GET A JUDGMENT. BUT THERE' S BEEN AN ISSUE IN QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE SCHEDULING AS A RESULT OF THE REQUESTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE ACTING MAJORITY LEADER. AND THOSE MAT TERSE WANTED TO BE DISCUSSED BY THE LEADERSHIP, AND THEY BELIEVE THAT IF WE CAN WORK OUT AT LEAST A PROCESS BY WHICH WE COULD DEBATE OR DISCUSS THESE MATTERS TONIGHT WITH A JUDGMENT SO THAT WE COULD VOTE ON THEET -- ON THESE MATTERS AND MATTERS RELATED TO THOSE ISSUES TOMORROW, THAT WOULD BE A WAY OF PROCEEDING.

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  • 06:14:05 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFIEER

    OFFIEER: THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS.

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

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    MR. HELMS

    POSE A QUESTION? MR. HELMS: CERTAINLY. I HOPE YOU CAN CLEAR UP. I DON' T…

    POSE A QUESTION? MR. HELMS: CERTAINLY. I HOPE YOU CAN CLEAR UP. I DON' T UNDERSTAND WHAT HE' S SAYING.

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  • 06:14:16 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    WELL, MAYBE I CAN TRY. I THINK THAT THE MINORITY LEADERSHIP WAS CONCERNED…

    WELL, MAYBE I CAN TRY. I THINK THAT THE MINORITY LEADERSHIP WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE CLOTURE PETITIONS THAT WERE FILED AND HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT SCHEDULING. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RYAN WHITE " CARE" LEGISLATION. IT DOES, UNFORTUNATELY, POSE A PROBLEM FOR US. AND IT' S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WOULD NOT BE AN OBJECTION IF WE COULD PUT DOWN A LISTING OF ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS YET TO BE DEBATED. WE COULD DEBATE SOME TONIGHT, AND THEN THE VOTES WOULD BE TOMORROW. IS THAT CORRECT? AND I WONDER IF WE COULD SUGGEST THE ABSENCE OF A QUORUM AT THIS POINT AND SEE IF WE CAN PUT TOGETHER A U. C. AGREEMENT OF WHICH ALL PARTIES COULD SUPPORT.

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  • 06:15:12 PM

    MR. HELMS

    I WILL AGREE TO THAT IF I MAY ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT WHEN I CHOOSE TO…

    I WILL AGREE TO THAT IF I MAY ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT WHEN I CHOOSE TO ASK THAT THE QUORUM CALL BE RESCINDED, THAT I BE RECOGNIZED TO DO SO AND THAT IT OCCUR. THE PRESIDING OFFIEER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

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  • 06:15:27 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFIEER

    THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA ASKS THAT NOT ONLY THAT HE BE RECOGNIZED…

    THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA ASKS THAT NOT ONLY THAT HE BE RECOGNIZED TO CALL OFF A QUORUM CALL, BUT THAT THE CALLING OFF OF THE QUORUM CALL BE GUARANTEED?

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  • 06:15:43 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFIEER

    THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA ASKS THAT NOT ONLY THAT HE BE RECOGNIZED…

    THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA ASKS THAT NOT ONLY THAT HE BE RECOGNIZED TO CALL OFF A QUORUM CALL, BUT THAT THE CALLING OFF OF THE QUORUM CALL BE GUARANTEED?

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  • 06:15:56 PM

    MR. HELMS

    UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFIEER

    THAT IS A REQUEST THAT CANNOT BE GRANTED. EACH SENATOR WOULD HAVE THE…

    THAT IS A REQUEST THAT CANNOT BE GRANTED. EACH SENATOR WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO OBJECT TO THE UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST. MR. HELMS: THEN I WANT TO RETAIN THE FLOOR THEN.

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  • 06:16:08 PM

    MR. HELMS

    WOULD THE SENATOR YIELD? COULD WE ASK CONSENT THAT THE SENATOR BE…

    WOULD THE SENATOR YIELD? COULD WE ASK CONSENT THAT THE SENATOR BE RECOGNIZED AFTER THE QUORUM CALL BE TERMINATED?

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  • 06:16:13 PM

    MR. KENNEDY

    THAT WOULD BE ALL RIGHT.

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    MR. HELMS

    THAT WOULD BE ALL RIGHT.

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    MR. KENNEDY

    I ASK THAT TERMINATION OF THE QUORUM CALL --

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    MR. HELMS

    CIRCLED THE WAGONS HERE. I DON' T WANT TOO MANY INDIANS COMING AT ME AT…

    CIRCLED THE WAGONS HERE. I DON' T WANT TOO MANY INDIANS COMING AT ME AT ONE TIME. THE PRESIDING OFFIEER: IS THERE OBJECTION TO THE UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST OF THE SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS? HEARING NO OBJECTION, IT IS SO ORDERED.

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  • 06:16:31 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFIEER

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    MR. SIMON

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    THE PRESIDING OFFIEER

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    MR. SIMON

    WITHOUT OBJECTION.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFIEER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION.

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    MR. SIMON

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    THE PRESIDING OFFIEER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. THE SENATOR FROM ILLINOIS IS RECOGNIZED.

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    MR. SIMON

    THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I SUPPOSE, I' M LIKE A GREAT MANY AMERICANS ON…

    THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I SUPPOSE, I' M LIKE A GREAT MANY AMERICANS ON THIS WHOLE SUBJECT. AND WHAT WE' RE DEALING WITH IS THE PROBLEM OF RECOGNIZING HOMOSEXUALITY AND THIS PROBLEM IN OUR SOCIETY. I GREW UP IN A HOME WHERE WE HAD STRONG OPINIONS AGAINST PREJUDICE AGAINST PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRICAN- AMERICANS OR JEWISH- AMERICANS OR OTHER. BUT, FRANKLY, I DIDN' T UNDERSTAND THIS PROBLEM. AND, I DIDN' T -- I WASN' T HOSTILE TO PEOPLE WHO WERE GAY, BUT I DIDN' T UNDERSTAND THAT THEY FACED SOME SPECIAL PROBLEMS. BUT, THE REALITY IS THEY DO. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT FACTOR. I ALSO WOULD ADD, BECAUSE IT IS NOT ONLY THIS BILL, BUT THAT WE FACE IT IN THE MILITARY AND SOME OTHER THINGS, WHEN I WAS IN THE MILITARY, I WAS IN PART OF SOMETHING THAT NO LONGER EXISTS CALLED THE COUNTER INTELLIGENCE CORPS. AMONG OTHER THINGS, WE SCREENED PEOPLE FOR SECURITY CLEARANCES. IF THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE GAY, THEY DIDN' T GET SECURITY CLEARANCES. NOW THIS GOES BACK TO 1951, 1953. I HAVE TO THINK THAT WAS AT THAT POINT A VERY LEGITIMATE REASON FOR NOT HAVING SECURITY CLEARANCES, BECAUSE PEOPLE COULD BE BLACKMAILED. BUT IF WE DECIDE WE' RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE GAY IN THE MILITARY -- AND LET' S JUST SAY WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY AND THEN WE HAVE -- WE HAVE TO HAVE SELECTIVE SERVICE, WE CONSCRIPT PEOPLE, ARE WE GOING TO SAY ANYONE WHO IS GAY IS NOT GOING TO BE DRAFTED? WE' RE GOING TO END UP WITH AN AWFUL LOT OF GAZE IN THIS COUNTRY IF WE -- A LOT OF GAYS IN THIS COUNTRY IF WE DETERMINE THAT. I THINK THERE ARE PRACTICAL PROBLEMS. I THINK WE SHOULD RECOGNIZE THIS. NOW, DOES THAT MEAN THAT EVERYONE APPROVES THIS LIFESTYLE? THAT' S NOT THE QUESTION. THE QUESTION IS DISCRIMINATION. AND, FOR THOSE WHO -- AND I RUN INTO THIS AT TOWN MEETINGS. I' M SURE THE PRESIDING OFFICER HAS PEOPLE SAY, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE BIBLE? THE TEN COMMANDMENTS INCLUDES ADULTERY. SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS DIDN' T GET MENTIONED. BUT, I RECALL MY ARMY DAYS, IF WE HAD DECIDED WE' RE GOING TO KICK EVERYONE OUT WHO WAS INVOLVED IN ADULTERY, OUR RANKS WOULD HAVE BEEN THINED APPRECIATEABLY. I THINK WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE -- THERE ARE WEAKNESSES IN SOCIETY. BUT THE DIS WHY I AM NATION IS NOT THE ROUTE -- THE DISCRIMINATION IS NOT THE ROUTE THAT WE OUGHT TO BE GOING. AND, MR. PRESIDENT, I QUESTION

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  • 06:29:55 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFIEER

    THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. HEMTS HEMTS I ASK UJ THAT THE QUORUM CALLING…

    THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. HEMTS HEMTS I ASK UJ THAT THE QUORUM CALLING BE DISPENSED WITH. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MR. HELMS: I ACCEPTED

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  • 06:34:18 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MR. HELMS: I ACCEPTED AN UNPRINTED…

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MR. HELMS: I ACCEPTED AN UNPRINTED AMENDMENT TO THE DESK AND ASK THAT IT BE STATED STATED. THE

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  • 06:34:20 PM

    MR. HELMS

    AN UNPRINTED AMENDMENT TO THE DESK AND ASK THAT IT BE STATED STATED. THE…

    AN UNPRINTED AMENDMENT TO THE DESK AND ASK THAT IT BE STATED STATED. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL REPORT.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL REPORT.

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    THE CLERK

    THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA, MR. HELMS, PROPOSES AN AMENDMENT NUMBERED…

    THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA, MR. HELMS, PROPOSES AN AMENDMENT NUMBERED 1855. AT THE APPROPRIATE PLACE INSERT THE FOLLOWING. " NOTWITHSTANDING ANY PROVISIONS OF THIS ACT, THERE IS AUTHORIZED TO BE APPROPRIATED, FOR EACH. FISCAL YEARS 1996, THROUGH 2000 AND AMOUNTS THAT DO NOT EXCEED THE AMOUNTS APPROPRIATED UNDER THIS ACT IN FISCAL YEAR 1995." MR. HELMS: MR. PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA.

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  • 06:34:58 PM

    MR. HELMS

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA.

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    MR. HELMS

    HAS INDICATED, AND I SAY THAT THE AMENDMENT AS READ SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.…

    HAS INDICATED, AND I SAY THAT THE AMENDMENT AS READ SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. THIS AMENDMENT PROPOSES TO FREEZE FEDERAL FUNDING AUTHORIZATIONS FOR THE YEARS 1996 THROUGH 2000 AT AN AMOUNT NOT EXCEEDING THE FISCAL YEAR 1995 FUNDING FOR HIV AIDS. NOW THE AMOUNT APPROPRIATED FOR FY 1995 TOE TALS $ 633 MILLION OF THE TAXPAYERS MONEY. NOW MR. PRESIDENT, I CONSIDER THAT IN AMENDMENT IS ESSENTIAL, IMPERATIVE AS A MATTER OF FACT, TO CLOSE A VAST LOOPHOLE IN THE PENDING BILL. AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, THE RYAN WHITE RE- AUTHORIZATION ACT AUTHORIZES FUNDING FOR THE RYAN WHITE PROGRAMS, QUOTE, " AT SUCH SUMS AS MAY BE NECESSARY IN EACH OF THE FISCAL YEARS 1996, 1997, 9198, 1999 AND 2000." END OF QUOTE. NOW, AS I SAID EARLIER, SOME OF THE PROPONENTS SAY THIS DOESN' T MEAN ANYTHING. IT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH THE AUTHORIZATION AND APPROPRIATION PROCESS WHICH IS TRUE, BUT IT HAS A PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECT WHEN IT HAS BEEN WRITTEN INTO THE RYAN WHITE AUTHORIZATION BILL, THAT THE APPROPRIATIONS WILL BE AT SUCH SUMS AS MAY BE NECESSARY. SO, AS I SAID EARLIER, IF IT DOESN' T MEAN ANYTHING, LET' S TAKE IT OUT. BECAUSE WHENEVER I SEE A BIG OPEN ENDED FUNDING LANGUAGE, SUCH AS THIS, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THE FEDERAL DEBT IS APPROACHING $ 5 TRILLION. IT STANDS AT ABOUT $ 4 $ 4. 9 TRILLION NOW. CONGRESS SHOULD NEVER WRITE A BLANK CHECK FOR ANY PURPOSE. THE LEAST WE CAN DO FOR THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS IS TO SPECIFY THE AMOUNT OF FEDERAL FUNDING WITH NO OBJECT IF YOU SKAIGS, NO VAGUENESS, NO VAGUENESS WHATEVER. TAXPAYERS WILL BE INTERESTED TO KNOW THE TOTAL OUTLAYS UNDER THE CURRENT ACT ARE $ 3 $ 3. 68 BILLION. THAT IS $ 3, 068, 000 OVER THESE YEARS. THAT IS NOT CHICK HE FEED. WE ARE TALKING REAL MONEY. REAL MONEY THAT CAN RUN UP THE FEDERAL DEBT THAT WILL BE ON THE BACKS OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY FOR GENERATIONS. NOW THIS $ 3. 68 BILLION DOES NOT INCLUDE N. I. H. FUNDING ACTION OR THE MANY OTHER FEDERAL PROGRAMS DEALING WITH HIV AIDS. FEDERAL FUNDING FOR AIDS RESEARCH WITHIN THE PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE HAS INCREASED FROM $ 2- 7B00, 000 IN 1981, $ 200, 000 IN 19812, TO $ 2, 700, 000 IN 1995. WHEN ALL OF THE OTHER FEDERAL FUNDS SPENT ON HIV AIDS ARE INCLUDED, THE TOTAL IS ABOUT $ 7, 100,, 000 FOR FISCAL 1995. NOW, WE HAVE AN ARRANGEMENT IN THE PROCESS, MR. PRESIDENT, I WILL SAY PAREN THET CLI, THAT I WILL PRESENT EACH OF MY AMENDMENTS, AND HAS -- HAVE WE OBTAINED THE YEAS AND NAYS ON PT AMENDMENT SET ASIDE?

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  • 06:39:12 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE YEAS AND NAYS HAVE NOT BEEN REQUESTED ON THE AMENDMENT SET…

    OFFICER: THE YEAS AND NAYS HAVE NOT BEEN REQUESTED ON THE AMENDMENT SET ASIDE. MR. HELMS: I ASK FOR THE YEAS AND NAYS ON THAT AMENDMENT.

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    MR. HELMS

    I ASK FOR THE YEAS AND NAYS ON THAT AMENDMENT.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO ASK FOR THE YEAS AND NAYS ON AN AMENDMENT WHICH…

    IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO ASK FOR THE YEAS AND NAYS ON AN AMENDMENT WHICH IS NOT BEFORE THE BODY, AT LEAST WITHOUT UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

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  • 06:39:31 PM

    MR. HELMS

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: IS THERE OBJECTION? WITHOUT OBJECTION.

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    MR. HELMS

    THE YEAS AND NAYS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: IS THERE A SUFFICIENT SECOND?…

    THE YEAS AND NAYS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: IS THERE A SUFFICIENT SECOND? THERE IS A SUFFICIENT SECOND.

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  • 06:39:44 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    I THANK THE CHAIR.

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    MR. HELMS

    I THANK THE CHAIR.

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    MR. HELMS

    PRESIDENT? I SEND AND UNPRINTED AMENDMENT TO THE DESK AND ASK THAT IT BE…

    PRESIDENT? I SEND AND UNPRINTED AMENDMENT TO THE DESK AND ASK THAT IT BE STATED. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THERE IS AN AMENDMENT PENDING.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THERE IS AN AMENDMENT PENDING.

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    MR. HELMS

    I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT IT BE LAID ASIDE.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED THE CLERK WILL REPORT.

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    MR. HELMS

    I THANK THE CHAIR. MR. PRESIDENT, THE PENDING AMENDMENT --

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WOULD THE SENATOR WITHHOLD? THE AMENDMENT HASN' T BEEN READ READ.

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    MR. HELMS

    I WITHDRAW THAT AMENDMENT AND SEND ANOTHER AMENDMENT TO THE DESK. THE…

    I WITHDRAW THAT AMENDMENT AND SEND ANOTHER AMENDMENT TO THE DESK. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL REPORT.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL REPORT.

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    THE CLERK

    THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA, MR. HEM MS PROPOSES AN AMENDMENT NUMBERED…

    THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA, MR. HEM MS PROPOSES AN AMENDMENT NUMBERED 1856. AT THE APPROPRIATE PLACE INSERT THE FOLLOWING NEW SECTION.

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  • 06:41:31 PM

    MR. HELMS

    I ASK THAT FURTHER READING BE DISPENSED WITH.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION IT IS SO ORDERED. THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA. MR.…

    WITHOUT OBJECTION IT IS SO ORDERED. THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA. MR. HELMS: MR. PRESIDENT ACTION THE PEND WILLING AMENDMENT WAS MADE ESSENTIAL BECAUSE OF A DIRECTIVE FROM PRESIDENT CLINTON ON SEPTEMBER 30, 1993 IN WHICH MR. CLINTON

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    MR. HELMS

    NORTH CAROLINA. MR. HELMS: MR. PRESIDENT ACTION THE PEND WILLING AMENDMENT…

    NORTH CAROLINA. MR. HELMS: MR. PRESIDENT ACTION THE PEND WILLING AMENDMENT WAS MADE ESSENTIAL BECAUSE OF A DIRECTIVE FROM PRESIDENT CLINTON ON SEPTEMBER 30, 1993 IN WHICH MR. CLINTON ORDERED ALL HEADS OF EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DEVELOP AND FULLY IMPLEMENT A COMPREHENSIVE HIV AIDS WORKPLACE POLICY, AND EMPLOYEE EDUCATION PREVENTION PROGRAM. THE WHITE HOUSE STAFF MADE IT MANDATORY FOR EVERY FEDERAL EMPLOYEE, WHICH IS AN UNREASONABLE REQUIREMENT ON ITS FACE, AND PARTICULARLY SO, CONSIDERING THE NATURE OF THESE EDUCATION, SO- CALLED, PROGRAMS. FOR THE RECORD, THE WHITE HOUSE OFFICE OF NATIONAL AIDS POLICY ISSUED MANDATORY GUIDELINES STATING, AND I QUOTE, " HIV AIDS WORKPLACE TRAINING IS MANDATORY FOR EVERY FEDERAL EMPLOYEE, AND THE DURATION OF THE TRAINING SESSION SHOULD BE NOT LESS THAN TWO HOURS, AL ALTHOUGH THREE HOURS IS THE RECOMMENDED LENGTH." QUOTE, UNQUOTE. NOW IT MAY BE USEFUL, MR. PRESIDENT TO EXAMINE JUST ONE AGENCY' S TRAINING PROGRAM. THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AGRICULTURE' S AIDS PROGRAM IN WHICH EMPLOYEES ARE COMPELLED TO BE PRESENT. THIS PROGRAM COUNSELS FEDERAL EMPLOYEES ON THE PROPER WAYS TO ENGAGE IN ORAL AND ANAL SEX AND OTHER SIMILARLY INAPPROPRIATE SUBJECT MATTERS. NOW THAT IS AN EDITORIAL JUDGMENT ON MY PART. I CONSIDER IT OUTRAGEOUS, NOT JUST INAPPROPRIATE. OUT RAY JUGS. AND I TOOK IT UP WITH THE AGRICULTURE DEPARTMENT, AND WE ARE HAVING A GO AT THAT. NOW THERE IS AN ARROGANT AND NAUSEATING A BUGS OF POWER BY THE HOMOSEXUALS IN THE FEDERAL BUREAUCRACY. MOST FEDERAL EMPLOYEES RESENT IT. WE HAVE HAD SCORES OF FEDERAL EMPLOYEES TO PROTEST TO US AND ASK US TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. FOR EXAMPLE, LET ME READ FROM A LETTER I RECEIVED FROM AN U. S. D. A. EMPLOYEE IN NORTH CAROLINA AFTER THAT EMPLOYEE HAD ATTENDED ONE OF THESE SO- CALLED TRAINING CLASSES. AND I SHALL BE QUOTING UNTIL I INDICATE OTHERWISE. " THIS WEEK WE WERE REQUIRED TO ATTEND A MANDATORY HIV AIDS TRAINING SESSION WHICH IS APPARENTLY REQUIRED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF ALL FEDERAL EMPLOYEES. THIS RESULTS IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN LOST MAN HOURS, AND CONSEQUENTLY THE WAGES. WE ALSO WERE REQUIRED TO TAKE A PRE AND POST CLASS TEST. SINCE WE ARE MOSTLY BIOLOGICAL SCIENTISTS, WE LEARNED ESSENTIALLY NOTHING. " THIS EMPLOYEE' S LETTER CONTINUED, " SOME OF THE MATERIAL IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE WORKPLACE, ( E. G. HOW TO HAVE SAFE ORAL SEX, PAGE 28 28) AND IT DOESN' T SEEM TO BE TIME AND MONEY." THAT IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT BY THE EMPLOYEE. NOW MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE AT HAND ALSO A COPY OF A DIRECTIVE ISSUED BY THE FOREIGN AGRICULTURE SERVICE STATING, AND I QUOTE, " TO COMPLY WITH THIS PRESIDENTIAL MANDATE, THE FOREIGN AGRICULTURE SERVICE IS PRESENTING THE ATTACHED MANDATORY HIV AIDS TRAINING SESSIONS." IT CONTINUE, " PLEASE ATTEND THE SESSIONS SHOULD AS INDICATED OR ARRANGE TO SWITCH SESSION WITH A CO- WORKER." CONTINUING, QUOTE, " SUPERVISORS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DISSEMINATING THIS INFORMATION TO THEIR, AND THEY MISSPELLED THE WORD THEIR, THERE, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THEIR, THEY WILL LEARN TO PELL THAT NEXT WEEK, AND " CERTIFYING THAT ALL PLAY EASE UNDER THEIR SUPERVISION ATTEND A SESSION OF THE MANDATED TRAINING. THIS IS MANDATORY TRAINING NOR ALL FEDERAL EMPLOYEES, ATTENDANCE WILL BE TAKEN." YOU SEE THE INIF I AM DAYS INVOLVED IN THAT. SO MR. PRESIDENT, SO THAT -- INTIMIDATION IN THAT. SO MR. PRESIDENT, SO THERE IS TO CONFUSION IN ANYBODY' S MIND ABOUT THE FEDERAL EMPLOYEE, MENT PENDING AMENDMENT SIMPLY STIPULATES THAT HERE AFTER ALL HIV AIDS TRAINING PROGRAMS WILL BE MADE OPTIONAL FOR FEDERAL EMPLOYEES. PUT IT ANOTHER WAY, NOBODY SHALL BE COMPELLED TO ATTEND A PROGRAM THAT DESCRIBES HOW TO PARTICIPATE IN ORAL AN ANAL SEX. IN ADDITION, THIS PROHIBITS THAT ANY FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OR AGENCY CAN TAKE RETALIATORY ACTIONS AGAINST ANY FEDERAL EMPLOYEE WHO CHOOSES THOUGHT TO ATTEND SUCH CLASSES. IT MAKES NO SENSE TO SAY TO AN EMPLOYEE, THIS CLASS IS OPTIONAL, BUT WE WILL BE TAKING ATTENDANCE AND YOUR ABSENCE WILL BE NOTED, BECAUSE THE EMPLOYEE WILL BE UNDERSTANDABLY INTIMIDATED. BY THE WAY, THERE ARE MANY WHO MAY BE WONDERING WHY WE ARE SPENDING THE TAXPAYERS MONEY ON THESE PROGRAMS AT ALL. I AM ONE OF THEM. THERE ARE TODAY ABOUT THREE MILLION FEDERAL EMPLOYEES, AND IT DOESN' T TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH THIS MAN DOO TORE PROGRAM IS COSTING THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS. EVEN IF THE CLASS SHOULD COST ONLY $ 1 PER EMPLOYEE, IN ACTUAL COST, AND OF COURSE IT IS MORE THAN THAT BY FAR, BUT EVEN AT $ 1 PER HOUR, THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS ARE BEING SOAKED FOR $ 3 MILLION FOR THIS HIV AIDS PROGRAM TRAINING. NOW THE ISSUE IN THIS AMENDMENT IS WHETHER ALL FEDERAL EMPLOYEES ARE TO CONTINUE TO BE FORCED TO ATTEND THIS KIND OF PROGRAM. AT THE RISK OF BEING REPETITIOUS, I DON' T SEE ANY POINT IN FORCING FEDERAL EMPLOYEES TO ATTEND A SESSION WHERE THE SUBJECT IS THE KIND OF SEX CONDUCTED BY HOMOSEXUALS. LIKE AIDS EDUCATION IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, FEDERAL AIDS TRAINING PROGRAM ARE NOTHING BUT THINLY VEILED ATTEMPTS TO RESTRUCTURE THE VALUES AND ATTITUDES OF AMERICANS IN FAVOR OF HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLES. THE QUESTION IS OBVIOUS. SINCE WHEN DOES A FREE AND DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY MANDATE THAT ITS CIVIL SERVANTS ATTEND SUCH CLASSES TO PARTICIPATE IN LEARNING ABOUT -- WELL LET' S USE THE WORD, SODOMY. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO BUSINESS REQUIRING ANY OF ITS P. L. O. EASE TO SIT THROUGH EMBARRASSING AND SOMETIMES DISGUSTING CLASSES ON HIV AIDS. NOW, MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE SEVERAL INSERTIONS IN THE RECORD THAT I WANT INCLUDED, AND I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS BE INCLUDED IN THE RECORD. ONE, PRESIDENT CLINTON' S GUIDELINES FOR THE FEDERAL WORKPLACE, HIV AIDS EDUCATION INITIATIVE, AIDS AT WORK, APRIL 7, 1994. THE SECOND IS A LETTER FROM A NORTH CAROLINA FEDERAL EMPLOYEE, WHO WORKS FOR USDA, THREE, THE FOREIGN AGRICULTURE SERVICES MANDATORY HIV AIDS TRAINING MEMO DATED JANUARY 1, 1995, AND FOUR, A MARCH 29, 1995 " WASHINGTON TIMES" ARTICLE ENTITLED, " MANDATORY FEDERAL AIDS CLASSES CITED AS PROMOTING GAY AGENDA." QUOTE UNQUOTE.

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  • 06:50:14 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE AFOREMENTIONED ARTICLES WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE…

    WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE AFOREMENTIONED ARTICLES WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE RECORD.

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  • 06:50:22 PM

    MR. HELMS

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: IS THERE A SUFFICIENT SECOND? THERE IS A SUFFICIENT SECOND. THE…

    OFFICER: IS THERE A SUFFICIENT SECOND? THERE IS A SUFFICIENT SECOND. THE YEAS AND NAYS ARE ORDERED.

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    MR. HELMS

    I SUGGEST THE ABSENCE OF A QUORUM. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL…

    I SUGGEST THE ABSENCE OF A QUORUM. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    MR. HELMS

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    MR. HELMS

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

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    MR. HELMS

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION.

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    MR. HELMS

    I NOW SEND AN UNPRINTED AMENDMENT TO THE DESK AND ASK THAT IT BE STATED.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE CLERK WILL REPORT.

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    THE CLERK

    SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA, MR. HELMS PROPOSES AN AMENDMENT NUMBERED…

    SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA, MR. HELMS PROPOSES AN AMENDMENT NUMBERED 1857. AT THE APPROPRIATE PLACE INSERT THE FOLLOW NEW SECTION, " LIMITATION ON APPROPRIATIONS. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER PROVISION OF LAW, THE TOTAL AMOUNTS APPROPRIATED FOR ANY FISCAL YEAR FOR AIDS AND HIV ACTIVITIES MAY NOT EXCEED THE TOTAL AMOUNTS DISCRETIONARY FUNDS APPROPRIATED FOR SUCH FISCAL YEAR FOR ACTIVITIES RELATING TO CANCER." THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA.

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    MR. HELMS

    CLERK SAID, MR. PRESIDENT, THIS AMENDMENT PROPOSES THAT THE RYAN WHITE "…

    CLERK SAID, MR. PRESIDENT, THIS AMENDMENT PROPOSES THAT THE RYAN WHITE " CARE" RE- AUTHORIZATION ACT OF 1995 HAVE THIS PROVISION TO GUARANTEE THAT ANY AND ALL FEDERAL FUNDS AUTHORIZED AND APPROPRIATED FOR HIV AIDS WILL NOT EXCEED THE TOTAL FEDERAL FUNDS AUTHORIZED AND APPROPRIATED FOR AND IN CONNECTION WITH THE DISEASE OF CANCER. NOW THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN AMERICA TODAY IS HEART DISEASE. FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY CANCER. HIV AIDS RANKS 9TH, NUMBER NINE NINE. I BELIEVE, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT THE LOWERED IT TO EIGHT. SO MAKE THAT READ HIV AIDS RANKS EIGHTTH IN THE NUMBERS OF DEATHS THAT IT CAUSES. IT IS OF INTEREST THAT HIV AIDS RECEIVES $ 2. 7 BILLION PER YEAR IN FEDERAL FUNDING, WHICH EXCEEDS FEDERAL FUNDING IN CONNECTION WITH ANY OTHER DISEASE. HEART DISEASE, FOR EXAMPLE, MR. PRESIDENT, KILLS MORE THAN 720, 000 AMERICANS EVERY YEAR, AND $ 805 MILLION IN FEDERAL FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED AND APPROPRIATED FOR HEART DISEASE. CANCER KILLS 515, 000 AMERICANS, AND IT RECEIVES $ 2. 3 BILLION. NOW I THINK THE AN ARITHMETIC OF ALL OF THIS, MR. PRESIDENT, SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. I WANT THE RECORD TO SHOW THAT I HOPE A CURE FOR HIV AIDS IS FOUND TOMORROW MORNING, AND I ENCOURAGE EVERY RESEARCH EFFORT TOWARDS THIS END. HOWEVER, I' VE GOT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT I AM APPALLED AT WHAT HAS BECOME A TOTAL PLIT SIIZATION OF FEDERAL FUNDING FOR MEDICAL RESEARCH AND SERVICES. NOW THE PENDING AMENDMENT STIPULATES THAT CONGRESS MAY NOT AUTHORIZE OR APPROPRIATE MORE MONEY FOR HIV AIDS THAN IS AUTHORIZED AND APPROPRIATED IN CONNECTION WITH THE DISEASE CANCER. MORE PEOPLE ARE DYING FROM HEART DISEASE AND CANCER AND STROKE AND LUNG DISEASE AND ACCIDENTS AND PNEUMONIA AND ALZHEIMERS AND SUICIDE, THAN DIE FROM AIDS. EACH ONE OF THESE KILLS MORE PEOPLE THAN DOES THE DISEASE AIDS. YET AIDS RECEIVES A DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF THE TAXPAYERS' MONEY. ON THE AVERAGE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SPENDS ABOUT $ 91, 000 ON EVERY PERSON WHO DIES OF AIDS. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SPENDS ABOUT $ 5, 000 FOR EVERY PERSON WHO DIES OF CANCER. NOW I HAVE MY OWN IDEAS ABOUT PRIORITIES, BUT THAT IS AN ISSUE FOR ANOTHER DAY. AND I THINK THAT I' M CORRECTED BY IMPRESSIONS THAT AMERICANS AGREE THAT THIS DISCREPANCY IS NEITHER FAIR NOR EQUITABLE. IN A NUTSHELL, THE PENDING AMENDMENT WILL BRING A MEASURE OF EQUITY AND FAIRNESS TO THE EXISTING PRIORITIES IN THE AREA OF HIV AIDS FUNDSING. AS LONG AS CANCER KILLS 18 TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE AS AIDS, AND AIDS, NONETHELESS RECEIVES MORE FEDERAL FUNDING, IT IS TIME I THINK THAT CONGRESS ESTABLISHED SOME NEW EQUITABLE PRIORITIES. MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK THAT ALL PREVIOUS AMENDMENTS -- OF MY AMENDMENTS BE SET ASIDE AND ENABLING ME TO ASK FOR THE YEAS AND NAYS ON THIS AMENDMENT AMENDMENT. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE YEAS AND NAYS HAVE BEEN ASKED. IS THERE A SUFFICIENT SECOND? THERE IS A SUFFICIENT SECOND.

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  • 06:56:55 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE YEAS AND NAYS HAVE BEEN ASKED. IS THERE A SUFFICIENT SECOND? THERE IS…

    THE YEAS AND NAYS HAVE BEEN ASKED. IS THERE A SUFFICIENT SECOND? THERE IS A SUFFICIENT SECOND. THE YEAS AND NAYS ARE ORDERED.

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  • 06:57:02 PM

    MR. HELMS

    THE FLOOR. MRS. KASSEBAUM: MR. PRESIDENT?

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    MR. PRESIDENT?

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS.

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION. THE PENDING AMENDMENT IS SET ASIDE THE CLERK…

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION. THE PENDING AMENDMENT IS SET ASIDE THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE AMENDMENT OF THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS.

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  • 06:58:51 PM

    THE CLERK

    SENATOR FROM KANSAS, MRS. KASSEBAUM PROPOSES AN AMENDMENT NUMBERED 1858.…

    SENATOR FROM KANSAS, MRS. KASSEBAUM PROPOSES AN AMENDMENT NUMBERED 1858. MRS. KASSEBAUM: I WOULD ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT FURTHER READING BE SUSPENDED. THE

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  • 06:58:56 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    I WOULD ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT FURTHER READING BE SUSPENDED. THE…

    I WOULD ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT FURTHER READING BE SUSPENDED. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MRS. KASSEBAUM:

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  • 06:58:59 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MRS. KASSEBAUM: THE…

    PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MRS. KASSEBAUM: THE AMENDMENT I SENT TO THE DESK WOULD PROHIBIT THE USE OF THE RYAN WHITE " CARE" ACT FUNDS TO SUPPORT ACTIVITIES WHICH PROMOTE H.

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  • 06:59:01 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS.

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    MR. KENNEDY

    TAKE A MOMENT BECAUSE THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS HAS OUTLINED WHAT I THINK…

    TAKE A MOMENT BECAUSE THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS HAS OUTLINED WHAT I THINK HAS BEEN A VERY RESPONSIBLE AND THOUGHTFUL SERIES OF OPTIONS FOR THE SENATE TO MAKE A JUDGMENT AND A DECISION UPON. THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE MEMBERS AS THEY EXAMINE THESE ISSUES OVER THE NIGHTTIME. AND THEN WE' LL HAVE A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THEM TOMORROW. AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL REACH A FINAL RESOLUTION. I THINK SHE HAS SUMMARIZED THE REASONS AND JUSTIFICATION FOR THE POSITIONS WHICH SHE HAS OUTLINED, AND I' M IN A VERY SUBSTANTIAL AGREEMENT THAT SOME ISSUES ALONG THE WAY THAT WE MAY HAVE SOME DIFFERENCE, BUT I THINK THERE WILL BE A SERIES OF ALTERNATIVES FOR THE MEMBERS TO MAKE A JUDGMENT ON THESE MATTERS ON TOMORROW. AND I THINK FOR THE MEMBERS TO MAKE A FINAL JUDGMENT ON THESE QUESTIONS TOMORROW AS WELL. WHAT REMAINS WILL BE THE GREGG AMENDMENT, WHICH DEALS WITH THE EXPORT OF VARIOUS PHARMACEUTICALS AND MEDICAL DEVICES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE F. D. A. OR FOR THAT MATTER EVEN APPROVED BY THE OTHER 21 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES THAT HAVE REGULATORY AGENCIES. HE WILL BEST DESCRIBE HIS AMENDMENT. THIS IS A MATTER WHICH IS BEFORE THE HUMAN RESOURCE COMMITTEE, AND IT CERTAINLY WAS MY IMPRESSION UP UNTIL THIS AFTERNOON THAT THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE WHOLE F. D. A. REORGANIZATION AND STRUCTURE. IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE WE HAVE A DIFFERENT CRITERIA, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR PHARMACEUTICALS AND HOW THE F. D. A. TREATS THOSE VERSUS BIOTECH AND MEDICAL DEVICE LEGISLATION. SO, I HAD THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD BE ADDRESSING THAT AS PART OF OUR TOTAL F. D. A. REVIEW. IT HAS BEEN THE JUDGMENT OF THE SENATOR FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE TO OFFER THAT MEASURE, WHICH INITIALLY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WAS A HATCH MEASURE TO THIS PROPOSAL. AND WE' LL HAVE A CHANCE TO DISCUSS THAT IN THE MORNING AND MAKE SOME JUDGMENT ON THAT ISSUE. AND I WOULD CERTAINLY INVITE OUR COLLEAGUES TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE DEBATE THAT HOPEFULLY WILL TAKE PLACE AT 9: 30 IF WE ARE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH OUR CONSENT AGREEMENT. MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE MORE EXTENDED REMARKS ON SOME OF THESE MEASURES WHICH I WILL EITHER MAKE THIS EVENING OR INCLUDE IN THE RECORD HOPEFULLY WHERE -- HOPEFULLY WE' RE AT A POINT WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONSIDER A CONSENT AGREEMENT AND HAVING BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT IF THAT' S POSSIBLE, IT' S WISE TO TRY AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY BEFORE IT MAY ESCAPE.

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  • 07:07:32 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    MADAM PRESIDENT, I WOULD JUST IF I MAY ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE NAME…

    MADAM PRESIDENT, I WOULD JUST IF I MAY ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE NAME OF THE SENATOR FROM NEW MEXICO, SENATOR DOMENICI, BE ADDED AS A COSPONSOR.

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  • 07:07:41 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

  • 07:07:52 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    IS MY UNDERSTANDING WE' RE CLOSE TO BEING ABLE TO PUT FORWARD THE…

    IS MY UNDERSTANDING WE' RE CLOSE TO BEING ABLE TO PUT FORWARD THE UNANIMOUS CONSENT AGREEMENT. I THINK THERE' S -- THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL CHECKS MADE.

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  • 07:08:07 PM

    MR. HELMS

    IF THE SENATOR WOULD YIELD, IT IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE TO ME. MADAM…

    IF THE SENATOR WOULD YIELD, IT IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE TO ME. MADAM PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA.

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  • 07:08:15 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA.

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    MR. HELMS

    IT WOULD TAKE A UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO VARY THE ORDER IN WHICH THE…

    IT WOULD TAKE A UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO VARY THE ORDER IN WHICH THE AMENDMENTS WERE PRESENTED. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? JUST TO BE -- SO THERE WILL BE NO MISTAKE -- ACCIDENTAL MISTAKE MADE, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT ALL AMENDMENTS BE VOTED ON TOMORROW MORNING IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY WERE PRESENTED.

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  • 07:08:49 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: HEARING ANY OBJECTION, THE SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS IS -- DO…

    OFFICER: HEARING ANY OBJECTION, THE SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS IS -- DO YOU OBJECT?

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  • 07:08:57 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    I -- THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS.

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    MR. KENNEDY

    THE SENATOR STATE AGAIN WHAT THE REQUEST WAS. AS I UNDERSTOOD, WE WERE IN…

    THE SENATOR STATE AGAIN WHAT THE REQUEST WAS. AS I UNDERSTOOD, WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO WORK OUT A CONSENT REQUEST TO COVER THE DISPOSITION OF THE MEASURES TOMORROW. AND I --

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  • 07:09:16 PM

    MR. HELMS

    IF THE SENATOR WILL YIELD, I AM NOT SUGGESTING ANYTHING THAT WOULD VARY…

    IF THE SENATOR WILL YIELD, I AM NOT SUGGESTING ANYTHING THAT WOULD VARY THE CONSENT THAT I HOLD IN MY HAND. I FAVOR THAT. I SIMPLY WANT TO BE SURE THAT ALL AMENDMENTS ARE OFFERED IN THE -- ARE VOTED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY WERE PRESENTED. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

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  • 07:09:35 PM

    MR. KENNEDY

    WELL, YES -- IS IT THE -- I SEE THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS ON THE FLOOR.

  • 07:09:44 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    IS THAT THE ONE WHERE YOU DELETED THE SECOND HALF OF MINE?

  • 07:10:01 PM

    MR. HELMS

    IS THAT THE ONE WHERE YOU DELETED THE SECOND HALF OF MINE?

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    YES. ALTHOUGH IT' S CHANGED -- IT' S CHANGED LANGUAGE. IT DOESN' T --

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    MR. HELMS

    YOU DIDN' T CHANGE THE LANGUAGE IN THE FIRST HALF?

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    YES. THIS IS A DIFFERENT APPROACH BECAUSE IT JUST TARGETS IT TO " CARE"…

    YES. THIS IS A DIFFERENT APPROACH BECAUSE IT JUST TARGETS IT TO " CARE" AND -- BUT USING SOME SIMILAR LANGUAGE. WE' RE GOING TO HAVE AN UP- DOWN VOTE ON YOURS. THIS SAYS THE SAME THING BUT IT DOESN' T GET INTO A DEFINITION.

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  • 07:10:34 PM

    MR. HELMS

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FRO NORTH CAROLINA.

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    MR. HELMS

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. HELL HOMOSEXUAL I DOES…

    PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. HELL HOMOSEXUAL I DOES THAT -- HELL HILL DOES THAT IT BE IN ORDER FOR THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA TO ASK FOR FINAL PASSAGE ON THE RYAN WHITE BILL. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: IT IS IN ORDER. HELL HILL I ASK FOR THE YEAS AND NAYS.

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  • 07:17:12 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: IT IS IN ORDER. HELL HILL I ASK FOR THE YEAS AND NAYS.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: IT APPEARS TO BE SUFFICIENTLY SECONDED. THE YEAS AND…

    PRESIDING OFFICER: IT APPEARS TO BE SUFFICIENTLY SECONDED. THE YEAS AND NAYS ARE ORDERED.

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  • 07:17:22 PM

    MR. HELMS

    WHO SEEKS TIME?

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    I SUGGEST THE ABSENCE OF A QUORUM.

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    MR. HELMS

    I SUGGEST THE ABSENCE OF A QUORUM.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    MADAM PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS. MRS.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS. MRS. KASSEBAUM: I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT…

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS. MRS. KASSEBAUM: I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT FURTHER CALL OF THE QUORUM BE DISPENSED W THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, IT IS SO ORDERED.

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  • 07:19:29 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, IT IS SO ORDERED.

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    PRESIDING OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL REPORT. WITHOUT OBJECTION.

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    THE CLERK

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    7 -- MRS. KASSEBAUM: I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT FURTHER READING OF THE…

    7 -- MRS. KASSEBAUM: I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT FURTHER READING OF THE AMENDMENT BE DISPENSED WITH. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MRS. KASSEBAUM:

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  • 07:20:07 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MRS. KASSEBAUM: THIS AMENDMENT HAS BEEN…

    WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MRS. KASSEBAUM: THIS AMENDMENT HAS BEEN AGREED TO BY BOTH SIDES.

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  • 07:20:09 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    THIS AMENDMENT HAS BEEN AGREED TO BY BOTH SIDES. WHAT IT DOES IS ADDRESS A…

    THIS AMENDMENT HAS BEEN AGREED TO BY BOTH SIDES. WHAT IT DOES IS ADDRESS A PROBLEM THAT WOULD EXIST PARTICULARLY IN FLORIDA REGARDING THE FORMULA. AND IT' S DESIGNED TO BE OF ASSISTANCE IN ADDRESSING THAT IN A WAY THAT WE HAVE ALL AGREED WE THINK WORKS TO EVERYONE' S BENEFIT. MR. KENNEDY:

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  • 07:20:36 PM

    MR. KENNEDY

    THE SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS.

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    MR. KENNEDY

    I URGE THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE AMENDMENT. THE WAY -- THIS ADDRESSES SOME OF…

    I URGE THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE AMENDMENT. THE WAY -- THIS ADDRESSES SOME OF THE SPECIAL NEEDS OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA. I THINK THAT IT IS JUSTIFIED. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THE AMENDMENT BE ACCEPTED.

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  • 07:20:56 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE AMENDMENT IS AGREED TO.

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    PRESIDENT, I SUGGEST THE ABSENCE OF A QUORUM. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE…

    PRESIDENT, I SUGGEST THE ABSENCE OF A QUORUM. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.

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  • 07:21:19 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    Quorum Call

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    MR. HATCH

    PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM UTAH. MR.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE SENATOR FROM UTAH. MR. HATCH: MA COME R DAM PRESIDENT I ASK THAT THE…

    THE SENATOR FROM UTAH. MR. HATCH: MA COME R DAM PRESIDENT I ASK THAT THE QUORUM CALL BE DISPENSED WITH. THE PRESIDING OFFICER:

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  • 07:42:31 PM

    MR. HATCH

    MA COME R DAM PRESIDENT I ASK THAT THE QUORUM CALL BE DISPENSED WITH. THE…

    MA COME R DAM PRESIDENT I ASK THAT THE QUORUM CALL BE DISPENSED WITH. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

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  • 07:42:35 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

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    MR. HATCH

    ARE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A FINAL AGREEMENT TO GO OUT TONIGHT BUT UNTIL…

    ARE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A FINAL AGREEMENT TO GO OUT TONIGHT BUT UNTIL THEY DO LET ME TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND EXPRESS MYSELF ON THE RYAN WHITE BILL. MADAM PRESIDENT, PEOPLE ARE DYING. PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY DYING OUT THERE. AND WE HAVE A CHANCE TODAY OR TOMORROW TO ENACT LEGISLATION THAT WOULD REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND HAS MADE A DIFFERENCE. I AM TALKING ABOUT REALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THEIR LIVES, AND THE LIVES OF FAMILIES AND FRIENDS WHO LOVE THEM. WE HAVE A CHANCE TO ENACT LEGISLATION THAT WILL EE LEAF UNITED STATES SOME. PAIN OF PEOPLE INFECTED WITH HIV. WE HAVE A CHANCE TO ENACT BIPARTISAN LEGISLATION SHOWING THAT CONGRESS CARES MORE ABOUT PEOPLE, ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE CRITICALLY ILL AND NEED OUR HELP THAN ABOUT THOSE -- ABOUT HOW THOSE PEOPLE GOT ILL. MADAM PRESIDENT, IN 19812, TWO PHYSICIANS -- TWO PHYSICIANS UNKNOWN TO EACH OTHER ON OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE UNITED STATES MADE SIMILAR OBSERVATION THAT IS THEY WOULD THEN PUBLISH, IN THEIR RESPECTIVE MEDICAL JOURNALS. THEY NOTED THAT A SMALL GROUP OF THEIR OTHERWISE HEALTHY PATIENTS WERE BECOMING INFECT WD ORGANISMS THAT WOULD NORMALLY EFFECT INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE FOR SOME REASON IMMUNE SUPPRESSED. IN LAYMEN' S TERMS, THESE PATIENTS HAD A WEAK END IMMUNE SYSTEM. BY THE END. FOLLOWING YEAR, ALMOST A 1, 000 CASES HAD BEEN REPORTED TO THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL. CONGRESS APPROPRIATED MONEY TO COMBAT THIS MYSTERIOUS VIRUS. OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS THE NUMBER OF SUCH CASES BEGAN TO INCREASE AND SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AS DID OUR REALIZATION THAT THE VIE RUGS, NOW CALLED ACQUIRED IMMUNE DEFICIENCY SYNDROME, AIDS, WAS NOT GOING TO BE ERADICATED OVERNIGHT. FUNDING ROSE TO $ 44 MILLION IN 1983, $ 104 IN 1984, AND BY FISCAL IT WAS 38 MILLION DOLLAR. THERE WERE CASES IN EACH OF OUR 50 STATES. AS I LOOK BACK I RECALL 0 HOW AIDS BEGAN TO TOUCH ON EACH OF OUR DAILY LIVES AS THE NOP OF KAYS GREW AND THE NEED FOR RESEARCH AND SERVICE RELATED FUNDING FOR THIS GROWING EPIDEMIC CONTINUED. WE BEGAN TO EXTEND FUND BEING BEYOND HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES TO THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, AGENCY FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE BUREAU OF PRISONS. WE FUNDED THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR. THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION. WE PROVIDED FUNDING THROUGH THE FEDERAL EMPLOYEES HEALTH BENEFITS PROGRAM. OUR RESPONSE GREW WITH THE MAGNITUDE OF THE DISEASE, AS IT SHOULD CONTINUE TODAY. I THINK BACK TO ERRLY DAYS OF AIDS HOW THE GROWING NUMBER OF INFECTED INDIVIDUALS AND THE RESULTANT DEATH TOLL CAUSED THIS COUNTRY SO MUCH ALARM AND PANIC. MADAM PRESIDENT, I KNOW THE SENATE WANTS TO GO OUT -- ARE YOU PREPARED TO GO OUT? A FEW MINUTES YET? WELL, LET ME JUST UNTIL I RECEIVE NOTICE THAT THEY ARE PREPARED TO GO OUTLET ME SAY A FEW MORE THINGS ABOUT THIS. UNFORTUNATELY, AS WITH ANY UNSUSPECTED CRISIS, THE MADE RESPONSE FOR MANY, INCLUDING THE BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS CAN BE CHARACTERIZED AS DENIAL, ANGER AND BLAME. FORTUNATELY, OVER TIME, OUR COMPASSION HAS GROWN FOR THOSE INFECTED WITH THIS VIRUS, AS OUR UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE CAUSES OF AND TREATMENTS FOR THIS DEVASTATING DISEASE INCREASED. AS I LOOK BACK I THINK OF THE SWIFT REACTION OF OUR HEALTH CARE COMMUNITY. YET, HOW PAINFULLY CLEAR IT WAS THAT BOTH OUR RESEARCH AND SERVICE DELIVERY INFRASTRUCTURES LACKED THE CAPACITY TO ADDRESS THE GROWING NUMBER OF INDICATIONS OF HIV INFECTION. I TALKED ABOUT OUR GROWING RESEARCH EFFORT. I DID NOT TALK ABOUT THE DEDICATION OF OUR SCIENTISTS AND THEIR ENSUING FRUSTRATION AS THE CURE OR EVEN A VACCINE CONTINUED TO ELUDE OUR GRASP. TODAY, THEY STILL REMAIN OUTSIDE OF OUR GRASP. AS I LOOK BACK, I RECALL HOW THE SERVICE DELIVERY PROGRAMS EE INVOLVED. THE AIDS SERVICE DEMONSTRATION PROJECTS. HOME AND COMMUNITY- BASED HEALTH SERVICES GRANT PROGRAMS. THE AIDS DRUG REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM. YET, WE STILL COULD NOT KEEP PACE WITH A NEED FOR SERVICES IN OUR RESPECTIVE COMMUNITIES. THEY CAME OUT OF OUR LABOR COMMITTEE, AND WE WERE PROUD TO AUTHORIZE THOSE PROGRAMS WHICH REALLY SERVED TO HELP PEOPLE BUT THEY WERE NOT ENOUGH. OUT OF THIS GREAT NEED FOR COMMUNITY- BASED COMPASSIONATE CARE WAS BORN THE RYAN WHITE COMPREHENSIVE RESOURCES EMERGENCY " CARE" ACT OF 1990, A BILL I WAS PLEASED TO AUTHORIZE WITH SENATOR KENNEDY. WE NAMED IT AFTER RYAN WHITE A COURAGEOUS CARING YOUNG MAN FROM INDIANA WHO WORKED TO EDUCATE OTHERS ABOUT HIV AND AIDS. HE HELPED TO REPLACE FEAR AND INDIFFERENCE WITH HOPE AND COMPASSION. ONE. DWRAI HE SONS OF HIS LIFE THAT WE SHOULD NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THOSE WITH HIV OR ANY OTHER ILLNESS REMAINS TRUE TODAY. HIS TIRELESS EFFORTS INDEED HIS LEGACY IS BEING CARRIED ON BUY HIS MOTHER JEAN WHITE. I MELT WITH HER A NUMBER OF TIMES, AND I HAVE TO SAY, SHE IS DOING A GOOD JOB. THERE ARE SO MANY OTHERS WHO SBR SPOKEN OUT WITH SPIRIT AND ELOQUENCE. INCLUDING MARY FISHER, FOUNDER OF THE AIDS NETWORK, TIRE LESS CREE SAIDER AGAINST AIDS AND ELISABETH GLAZEER WHO ESTABLISHED THE PEDIATRICS AIDS FOUNDATION WHICH HAS DONE SO MUCH TO IMPROVE THE LIVE OF CHILDREN INFECTED WITH HIV. I CAN REMEMBER WHETHER SHE FIRST WALKED INTO MY OFFICE. I DIDN' T KNOW A LOT ABOUT PEDIATRIC AID. I KNEW A LOT ABOUT ADULT AIDS, BUT I DISTANT REALIZE SO MANY CHILDREN WERE BEING INFECTED AT THAT TIME. WHEN SHE WALKED IN AND EXPLAINED IT TO ME I HAVE SO SAY WE DECIDED TO HELPER. HOUR METZENBAUM AND I WE HELPED HER RAISE $ 1 MILLION AT A DINNER HERE IN WASHINGTON, D. C. SHE WENT ON TO RAISE LAMB $ 40 MILLION, AND OF COURSE IS ONE. VALUED HER WINS IN THIS COUNTRY AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED. THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY UNNAMED OTHERS AND COUNTLESS COMMUNITIES ACROSS THIS NATION, WHO HAVE HELPED FMD. TODAY, WE HAVE BEFORE US RE- AUTHORIZATION. RYAN WHITE " CARE" ACT. MY MESSAGE IS SIMPLE. TECHNOLOGIES AN IMPORTANT ACT. IT MUST BE REAUTHORIZED THE. ED NEED CONTINUES. LET ME DISCUSS A FEW DRAMATIC EFFECTS IN ORDER TO HIGHLIGHT THE IMPACT OF THIS DISEASE AND EXPLAIN WHY THIS BILL SHOULD BE PASSED. THE MOST REVEALING FACT IS THAT THE NUMBER ONE CAUTION OF DEATHS FOR MALES AGED 29 TO 44 IS NOW AIDS. IN THE LAST DECADE THE PROPORTION OF CASES REPRESENTED BY WOMEN HAS ALMOST TRIPLED. EVEN AMONG SMALL HOME STATE OF UTAH, IT IS ESTIMATED THAT BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH THAT THERE ARE 5, 000 PEOPLE INFECTED WITH THE HIV VIRUS. TO DATE, 1110 HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH FULL BLOWN AIDS, AND 644 HAVE DIED. INDEED, OUR KNOWLEDGE OF AID HAS EXPANDED DRAMATICALLY SINCE THOSE EARLY DAYS. WE NOW KNOW THAT AIDS IS NOT JUST A GAY DISEASE OR A HAITIAN DISEASE, WE KNOW IT CANNOT BE TRANSMITTED BY CASUAL CONTACT, WE NOTE THAT IT EFFECTS MEN, WOMEN CHILD, WHATEVER RACE OR NATIONAL, IT DOES NOT PLAY FAVORITES, IT EFFECT RICH AND POOR, ADULTS AND CHILDREN, MEN AND WOMEN, RURAL COMMUNITIES AND THE INTER CITIES. WE KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE FEAR REMAINS. MADAM PRESIDENT, THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE 1990, BUT THE NEED FOR THIS LEGISLATION REMAINS AND CONTINUES. THE NUMBER OF CASES CONTINUES TO INCREASE. AT THE END OF 1994, THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION RECORDED 441, 5 441, 528 INDICATIONS OF HIV. THE NUMBER CONTINUES TO GROPE. THE EMOTIONAL AND ECONOMIC BURDEN FOR PATIENTS AND FAMILIES IS SUBSTANTIAL AND IT CONTINUES. THE RYAN WHITE " CARE" ACT HAS MADE A DIFFERENCE AND SHOULD CONTINUE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THERE REMAINS SO MUCH TO BE DONE. SINCE INENACTMENT THE ACT HAS PROVIDEDED NECESSARY ASSISTANCE TO THOSE PERSONS AND THEIR FAMILIES AFFECTED BY THE AIDS EPIDEMIC. ON THE FUNDING PROVIDES FORE MODELS OF HIV SERVICE DELIVERY THAT ARE CONSIDERED TO BE SOME. MOST SUCCESSFUL HEALTH DELIVERY MODELS IN HISTORY. I AM VERY PROUD OF UTAH' S RYAN WHITE PROGRAM. LET ME TELL YOU OF SOME OF OUR POLITIC. RYAN WLITES FUNDS WERE USED TO ESTABLISH A HOME HEALTH SERVICE PROGRAM THAT PROVIDES HOMEMAKER, HEALTH AID, PERSONAL CARE AND ROUTINE DIAGNOSTIC TESTING SERVICES. A DRUG THERAPY PROGRAM HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED THAT OFFERS AZT AND OTHER DRUGS TO INDIVIDUALS INFECTED WITH HIV. RYE CRAN WHITE FUNDS HAVE BEEN USED TO PROVIDE HEALTH AND SUPPORT SERVICES THROUGH THE HIV CARE CON SORE STHUM THAT PROVIDES SERVICES, DENTAL, HEALTH CARE, TRANSPORTATION, ADVOCACY, EYE EXAMS, GLASSES, LEGAL ADVOCACY, EDUCATION, NUTRITION AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE COUNSELING. THESE ARE PROGRAMS WHICH ARE IN PLACE, WORKING, AND THEY HAVE TO BE CONTINUED. I BELIEVE THAT IT IS VITAL THAT WE REAUTHORIZE THE RYAN WHITE ACT. MADAM PRESIDENT, MANY HAVE NOTED THAT AIDS BRINGS OUT THE BEST AND THE WORST IN PEOPLE. LET US HOPE THAT THIS DEBATE REFLECTS THE BEST OF THE GREAT AMERICAN TRADITIONS OF REACHING OUT TO THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY. I PLEAD WITH MY COLLEAGUES TODAY, AND I WILL TOMORROW, LET US NOT BACKSLIDE ON THIS. I WANT TO COMPLEMENT THE DISTINGUISHED CHAIRMAN. LABOR AND HUMAN RESOURCES COMMITTEE AND THE RANKING MEMBER, SENATORS KASSEBAUM AND KENNEDY, FOR THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE, AND FOR THE COURAGEOUS WAY THAT THEY HAVE GONE ABOUT IT. FOR THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE HERE ON THE FLOOR THIS DAY. I PERSONALLY RESPECT BOTH OF THEM VERY MUCH, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN THIS BILL. OUR PROGRESS HAS BEEN GREAT, BUT WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE TO DO TO WIPE OUT THIS VIRUS. LET US HOPE AND PRAY THAT ONE DAY THAT LIKE SMALL POFM, THE HIV VIRUS WILL BE ERADICATED AS A PUBLIC HEALTH PROBLEM. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, PUBLIC HEALTH, FOR EVERYBODY. UNTIL THEN, RYAN WHITE PROGRAMS OFFER THE ONLY GLIMMER OF HOPE TO THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS WHO ARE LIVING WITH HIV. SO I WANT TO THANK MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUES, ESPECIALLY OUR FLOOR MANAGERS TODAY, SENATORS KASSEBAUM AND KENNEDY AND OTHERS WHO HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO MOVE THIS IMPORTANT PIECE OF LEGISLATION FORWARD. I WILL WORK WITH YOU IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN TO SEE THAT THIS LEGISLATION IS SENT TO THE PRESIDENT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. I AGAIN HOPE THAT WE CAN DO THIS PROBABLY TOMORROW MORNING. I THANK THE CHAIR.

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS. MRS. KASSEBAUM: I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS…

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS. MRS. KASSEBAUM: I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION TO THE SENATOR FROM UTAH.

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  • 07:53:08 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION TO THE SENATOR FROM UTAH. SENATOR…

    I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION TO THE SENATOR FROM UTAH. SENATOR HATCH, AS HE MENTIONED, WAS THE ORIGINAL COULD SPONSOR ALONG WITH SENATOR KENNEDY OF THE RYAN WHITE " CARE" ACT IN 1990. IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR THE LEADERSHIP THAT HE PROVIDED, I' M NOT SURE WE WOULD BE HERE TODAY DEBATING RENEWAL OF THAT LEGISLATION. IT WAS CRUCIAL AT THAT TIME TO HELP DEVELOP AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT. AND I THINK WITHOUT SENATOR HATCH' S STRONG AND FORTHRIGHT AND DEDICATED CONCERN AT THAT TIME, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO HAVE THE PUBLIC AWARENESS AND SUPPORT THAT IT HAS TODAY. AND I JUST WISH TO EXPRESS THAT APPRECIATION TO THE SENATOR FROM UTAH.

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  • 07:54:04 PM

    MR. HATCH

    IF THE SENATOR WOULD YIELD I THANK HER FOR HER KIND REMARKS. I FEEL…

    IF THE SENATOR WOULD YIELD I THANK HER FOR HER KIND REMARKS. I FEEL EQUALLY DISPOSE TODAY CONGRATULATE HER AND TO THANK HER FOR THE WORK THAT SHE IS DOING THIS YEAR AND HAS DONE IN THE PAST. SHE AND SENATOR KENNEDY HAVE DONE A VERY GOOD THING HERE. SO I THAUFRPG VERY MUCH.

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  • 07:54:22 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    I WOULD JUST SAY, SENATOR HATCH OF COURSE, WE MISS ON THE LABOR COMMITTEE,…

    I WOULD JUST SAY, SENATOR HATCH OF COURSE, WE MISS ON THE LABOR COMMITTEE, WHERE HE WAS AT ONE TIME CHAIRMAN AND RANKING MEMBER, AND I HAVE BIG SHOES TO FOLLOW IN THAT LEADERSHIP ON THE LABOR HUMAN RESOURCES COMMITTEE. MADAM PRESIDENT, I THINK WE HAVE NOW REACHED AN AGREEMENT. I WOULD ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS BE THE ONLY AMENDMENTS IN ORDER TO S. 641, AND THAT NO SECOND- DEGREE AMENDMENTS BE IN ORDER TO THE AMENDMENTS. THE PENDING AMENDMENT IS NUMBER 1854, THEN FOLLOWING A HELMS AMENDMENT 1855, A HELMS AMENDMENT REGARDING FUND BEING EQUITY, 1857, A HELMS AMENDMENT REGARDING TRAINING, 1856, A KASSEBAUM AMENDMENT REGARDING FUNDING EQUITY, 1860, A KASSEBAUM AMENDMENT REGARDING PROMOTION, 1858, A GREGG AMENDMENT REGARDING F. D. A., AND A KENNEDY AMENDMENT REGARDING F. D. A. FURTHER, THAT ALL DEBATE TIME BE USED ON THE ABOVE LISTED AMENDMENTS THIS EVENING, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE AMENDMENT TO BE OFFERED BY SENATOR GREGG, AND THE AMENDMENT TO BE OFFERED BY SENATOR KENNEDY. FURTHER THAT AT THE HOUR OF 9: 15 ON THURSDAY, SENATOR REID WITH RECOGNIZED FOR UP TO 15 MINUTES FOR GENERAL DEBATE ON THE BILL TO BE FOLLOWED AT 9: 30 BY SENATOR GREGG, TO BE RECOGNIZED TO OFFER HIS AMENDMENT ON WHICH THERE WOULD BE ONE HOUR TO BE EQUALLY DIVIDED IN THE USUAL FORM. I FURTHER ASK THE FOLLOWING THE CONCLUSION OF THE DEBATE ON THE GREGG AMENDMENT, SENATOR KENNEDY BE RECOGNIZED TO OFFER HIS AMENDMENT REGARDING F. D. A., ON WHICH THERE WOULD BE 30 MINUTES TO BE EQUALLY DIVIDED IN THE USUAL FORM, AND THAT FOLLOWING THAT DEBATE, THE SENATE PROCEED TO VOTE FIRST ON THE HELMS AMENDMENT 1854, FOLLOWED IN SEQUENCE WITH TWO BACK TO BACK VOTES ON OTHER AMENDMENTS IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY WERE OFFERED, AND THAT THERE BE TEN MINUTES FOR EXPLANATION BETWEEN EACH OF THE REMAINING VOTES TO BE EQUALLY DIVIDED IN THE USUAL FORM. FOLLOWING THE DISPOSITION OF THE ABOVE- LISTED AMENDMENTS, THE SENATE PROCEED TO A THIRD READING AND FINAL PASSAGE, ALL WITHOUT ANY INTERVENING ACTION OR DEBATE. I WOULD ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

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  • 07:56:58 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    FURTHER, MADAM PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT ANY VOTES OCCURRING…

    FURTHER, MADAM PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT ANY VOTES OCCURRING AFTER 12: 30 P. M., AS A RESULT OF THIS AGREEMENT, BE POSTPONED TO OCCUR AT A TIME TO BE DETERMINED BY THE TWO LEADERS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, IT IS SO ORDERED.

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  • 07:57:14 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, IT IS SO ORDERED.

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    I THANK THE MADAM PRESIDENT. MADAM PRESIDENT, THERE NO FURTHER VOTES THIS…

    I THANK THE MADAM PRESIDENT. MADAM PRESIDENT, THERE NO FURTHER VOTES THIS EVENING. I SUGGEST THE ABSENCE OF A QUORUM. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.

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  • 07:57:31 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    MADAM PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS.

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS.

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

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    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    I ALSO ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THERE NOW ABFERD FOR THE TRANSACTION OF…

    I ALSO ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THERE NOW ABFERD FOR THE TRANSACTION OF ROUTINE MORNING BUSINESS WITH SENATORS PERMITTED TO SPEAK FOR UP TO FIVE MINUTES EACH. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MRS. KASSEBAUM:

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  • 08:01:15 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MRS. KASSEBAUM: MADAM PRESIDENT, I ASK…

    WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. MRS. KASSEBAUM: MADAM PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT WHEN THE SENATE COMPLETES ITS BUSINESS TODAY, IT STAND IN RECESS UNTIL THE HOUR OF 9: 15 A. M. ON THURSDAY,

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  • 08:01:17 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    MADAM PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT WHEN THE SENATE COMPLETES…

    MADAM PRESIDENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT WHEN THE SENATE COMPLETES ITS BUSINESS TODAY, IT STAND IN RECESS UNTIL THE HOUR OF 9: 15 A. M. ON THURSDAY, JULY 27, 1995.

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  • 08:01:28 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

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    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    FOLLOWING THE PRAYER, THE JOURNAL OF PROCEEDINGS BE DEEMED APPROVED TO…

    FOLLOWING THE PRAYER, THE JOURNAL OF PROCEEDINGS BE DEEMED APPROVED TO DATE, THE TIME FOR THE TWO LEADERS BE RESERVED FOR THEIR USUAL -- FOR THEIR USE LATER IN THE DAY, AND THE SENATE THEN IMMEDIATELY RESUME S. 641, THE RYAN WHITE BILL, WITH SENATORS REID TO BE RECOGNIZED AS UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, IT IS SO ORDERED. MRS. KASSEBAUM:

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  • 08:01:48 PM

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER

    WITHOUT OBJECTION, IT IS SO ORDERED. MRS. KASSEBAUM: FOR THE INFORMATION…

    WITHOUT OBJECTION, IT IS SO ORDERED. MRS. KASSEBAUM: FOR THE INFORMATION OF ALL MEMBERS, THE SENATE WILL RESUME CONSIDERATION OF THE RYAN WHITE BILL TOMORROW AT 9: 15.

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  • 08:01:50 PM

    MRS. KASSEBAUM

    FOR THE INFORMATION OF ALL MEMBERS, THE SENATE WILL RESUME CONSIDERATION…

    FOR THE INFORMATION OF ALL MEMBERS, THE SENATE WILL RESUME CONSIDERATION OF THE RYAN WHITE BILL TOMORROW AT 9: 15.

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