Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I move to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution (H. Res. 388) expressing the sense of the House of Representatives regarding the July, 2005, measures of extreme repression on the part of the Cuban Government against members of Cuba's prodemocracy movement, calling for the immediate release of all political prisoners, the legalization of political parties and free elections in Cuba, urging the European Union to reexamine its policy toward Cuba, and calling on
the representative of the United States to the 62d session of the United Nations Commission on Human Rights to ensure a resolution calling upon the Cuban regime to end its human rights violations, and for other purposes.
Mr. DEAL of Georgia. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members may have 5 legislative days within which to revise and extend their remarks and include extraneous material on the bill under consideration.
Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, the chairman of the Subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere, the gentleman from Indiana (Mr. Burton) would normally be here. The gentleman is very, very concerned about this resolution and is very, very supportive of it, but he currently has a markup, a committee vote that he is in the process of doing, so, again, I have the opportunity and honor of going ahead with this in his stead.
H. Res. 388 is a resolution which condemns the gross human rights violations committed by the Cuban regime and expresses support for the right of the Cuban people to exercise fundamental political and civil liberties.
As a member of the Committee on International Relations, I would like to thank my colleague the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Lincoln Diaz-Balart) for introducing this resolution, which highlights the atrocious human rights violations the Cuban people continue to suffer at the hands of Castro's oppressive regime.
Mr. Castro continues to hone his craft, that is to say, his systematic reign of fear and intimidation of his own population. This past July, the Castro regime renewed its efforts to stamp out the pro-democracy movement.
This resolution sends a strong message to the Cuban Government that the world will not forget those people who are languishing in Cuban prisons for the so-called crime of speaking out against the injustices perpetrated by the Castro regime. Many of the dissidents arrested July remain in custody, and several of them face long sentences in prison for threatening to undermine Cuba's Communist government, according to Amnesty International and other organizations.
As U.S. service men and women put their lives on the line to bring freedom and democracy to areas of the world that have long suffered in the shadow of tyranny, Cuba represents a prime example in our own hemispheres of what can happen if any nation shuns democracy and subjugates itself to the whims of dictatorship.
As it stands now, Cuba is the only nation in the hemisphere that is a complete dictatorship, and since the earliest days of the regime, Castro has not only stifled efforts to promote freedom and democracy in Cuba, but he has also actively been involved in promoting communism and dictatorships around the world, most especially in Central and South America. The fall of Castro's principal benefactor, the Soviet Union, may have caused a shift in Castro's tactics, but he has never abandoned his ambition
to export communism.
I am very concerned about the state of affairs in the Western Hemisphere, and I am convinced that there will never be true, lasting peace and freedom in the region until we solve the Cuba problem once and for all. The only acceptable solution is a free and democratic Cuba. I have hope there will be a day when the light of democracy shines in Havana, a day when free expression and free elections replace the current hopeless status quo.
I urge my colleagues to support this resolution. We owe it to the thousands of Cubans who risk their lives every year to flee the Communist regime by any means necessary, even attempting to brave the hazardous 90-mile crossing between the United States and Cuba on makeshift rafts, as well as those languishing in Cuban jails, to further open the eyes of the world community to the true evils of the Castro regime. We must never forget them.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. LANTOS. Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support of this resolution, and I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I want to commend my good friend and colleague, the distinguished chairman of the Committee on International Relations, the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Hyde), for facilitating this body's consideration of the resolution. I also want to thank the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Lincoln Diaz-Balart) for offering this very important resolution and for his tireless battle to promote human rights in Cuba.
Mr. Speaker, the manipulative tyranny of Fidel Castro continues unabated. Two months ago, Havana's security apparatus arrested over 50 human rights activists and political dissidents in two separate roundups as these individuals peacefully exercised their fundamental rights of association and expression. Many of these brave men and women remain incarcerated in rat-infested cells because of their conviction to seek freedom and democracy in Cuba. They join the hundreds of other political prisoners
who have been languishing behind bars for such so-called crimes as sharing books with neighbors, reporting the news outside of government-controlled media outlets and attempting to organize independent free labor unions in Communist Cuba.
Other individuals who dare to practice their professions outside of state-sanctioned avenues feel the wrath of Castro's henchmen in other sordid forms. According to international human rights groups, political repression in Cuba is manifested through the use of police warnings and constant surveillance, short-term detentions, house arrests, travel restrictions, criminal prosecutions and politically motivated dismissals from jobs.
We in this House have repeatedly and forcefully denounced this oppression, calling for the immediate release of all political prisoners, and we have advocated for political liberalization on the island. This year, the United Nations Human Rights Commission in Geneva joined in the chorus of voices calling attention to the injustices which continue to be inflicted upon those who toil in Castro's island prison, or, should I say, prison island.
The U.N. Commission on Human Rights can and should do more. The [Page: H8410]
Human Rights Commission should call upon the Castro regime to release immediately all prisoners who are incarcerated in violation of their fundamental human rights. The Human Rights Commission should demand that the Cuban Government respect the freedom of association, expression and other international human rights norms. And the Human Rights Commission should press the Castro regime to
hold free and fair elections and otherwise not suppress the ability of Cuban citizens to exercise their fundamental political rights.
Although the commission is not scheduled to meet again until early next year, much of the preparatory work that is necessary to secure a strong resolution on Cuba should be occurring now. Cuban emissaries reportedly have colluded with their like-minded brethren from Venezuela, Burma, Turkmenistan, Syria and other countries with very questionable human rights records to block proposed reforms to the commission that would give it the credibility and the institutional capability that it sorely lacks.
Mr. Speaker, I am hopeful that the community of real democracies will no longer allow those countries which flagrantly break the rules to sit in judgment of their own abhorrent practices. I strongly urge all of my colleagues to support this resolution, and, therefore, send a signal to our friends in New York and Havana that we are with them in their struggle against tyranny and oppression.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. LINCOLN DIAZ-BALART of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I want to thank, first of all, the gentleman from Arkansas (Mr. Boozman), who has been so kind to bring forth this resolution today as a distinguished member of the Committee on International Relations and as a great friend and supporter of human rights throughout the world, including in that oppressed island just 90 miles from our shores.
The gentleman from California (Mr. Lantos), when I first arrived in this Congress in January 1993, that same month I was able to witness firsthand the man who has devoted his entire life to defending those who cannot defend themselves, and since that very month, my admiration that I already had for him has grown ceaselessly. I thank him for, once again, coming forth here in this hall and speaking on behalf of those who cannot speak for themselves.
The resolution before us today, Mr. Speaker, calls for the liberation of each and every one of the thousands, really, unknown is the number, of political prisoners in Cuba. There are hundreds recognized, identified and called ``prisoners of conscience'' by international organizations such as Amnesty International. There are thousands of others who commit so-called crimes that are not crimes anywhere else, certainly in any democratic societies, crimes like trying to feed their families, crimes
like trying to leave the country, something guaranteed by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. So there are countless political prisoners.
The resolution before us calls for the liberation of each and every one of them, immediately; it calls for the legalization of political parties, labor unions and the press by that tyranny; and it calls for free elections, because ultimately the right of self-determination is the only right that guarantees all other human rights, and without the right of self-determination, all other human rights, when they are granted by tyrants, they are but gifts from the tyrants to people, to his people,
gifts that can be withdrawn at any time.
In addition, as the gentleman from Arkansas (Mr. Boozman) and the gentleman from California (Mr. Lantos) stated, this resolution remembers those who, as we speak today, as we speak, are languishing in dungeons for the so-called crime of seeking and supporting the rights that we cherish and take really for granted, and have for over 200 years in this country, and much of the world certainly takes for granted, the right to speak and the right to elect leaders in periodic elections.
The right to organize political parties and labor unions, and the right to free expression and to freedom of the press, the right of association, for trying to seek those inalienable rights, people are languishing and suffering, and we remember them today.
Now, just a few weeks ago, in July, when this latest round-up occurred of opposition leaders inside of Cuba, perhaps the most well-known was the very prestigious jurist Rene Gomez Manzano, as well as the other leaders of the Assembly to Promote Civil Society. A few were subsequently released at the whim of the dictator; they may be picked up at any time. Mr. Gomez Manzano remains in a cell at this time and has engaged and is engaging in a hunger strike. And there are others whose health has already
deteriorated to the point where, for example, Mr. Victor Rolando Arroyo, his wife informs us today that she fears his imminent death because he is engaged in a hunger strike protesting the conditions that all political prisoners suffer each day in that oppressed island. Mr. Arnaldo Ramos Lauzurique is also engaging in a hunger strike.
He received a month ago, approximately a month ago, such a brutal beating inside the prison that when he protested for receiving that beating, he was put in what they call a punishment cell, as others in that prison, like Adolfo Fernandez Sainz, and others in hunger strikes like Jose Gabriel Ramon Castillo, like Normando Hernandez, and I will, Mr. Speaker, with your authorization, submit for the RECORD a list that I mentioned before is recognized by international organizations, such as
Amnesty International, of hundreds of prisoners of conscience.
Now, what we are also doing in this resolution is asking the European Union, because they, in response to this series of crackdowns that the dictatorship has engaged in against the pro-democracy movement, the European Union has, in its wisdom, Mr. Speaker, following the advice and consent of Mr. Zapatero, the Prime Minister of Spain, has decided to appease the dictatorship even more. And the few sanctions that the European Union had, political sanctions they called them, for example, inviting
the dissidents to receptions in embassies and allowing them entry into embassies to have discourse, dialogue with members of the diplomatic corps in the embassies of the European Union, those so-called sanctions were ended by the European Union under the premise and theory that they would encourage the ending of the sanctions, the dictator to be more benevolent. Well, we have seen how the dictator has responded.
We are asking in this resolution for the European Union to reconsider its policy of appeasement, and we are asking also that the United Nations, in its Human Rights Commission, pass a resolution asking for the cessation of human rights violations in Cuba.
So it is a very appropriate resolution. I commend, again, my colleagues who have been supportive. It is in the tradition, it stands in the tradition of this House of Representatives, this Congress that, in April of 1898, passed the resolution that is well-known in Cuban history, saying that Cuba is and, of right, ought to be free and independent, and it is in that tradition that we bring forth this resolution today, and I urge its adoption overwhelmingly by colleagues on both sides of the aisle
on this day in which so many continue to suffer on that oppressed island.
Brief Examples--All Information From Amnesty International
Mijail Barzaga Lugo, 36; Independent Journalist; Sentence: 15 years; Date of arrest: 20 March 2003.
Oscar Elías Biscet Gonzalez, 43; Human Rights Leader; Sentence: 25 years; Date of arrest: 6 December 2002.
Marcelo Cano Rodríguez, 38; Medical Doctor, Human Rights Activist; Sentence: 18 years; Date of arrest: 25 March 2003.
Eduardo Díaz Fleitas, 51; Farmer, Opposition Activist; Sentence: 21 years; Date of arrest: 18 March 2003.
Antonio Ramón Díaz Sanchez, 41; Electrician, member of the Christian Liberation Movement; Sentence: 20 years; Date of arrest: 18 March 2003.
Alfredo Felipe Fuentes, 55; Member of the United Cuban Workers Council; Sentence: 26 years; Date of arrest: 18 March 2003.
``Antunez'' Jorge Luis Garcia Perez--18 years (sentenced in 1990).
Partial list of political prisoners in Cuba, provided by Plantados Hasta La Libertad De Cuba. [Page: H8411]
Adolfo Fernandez Sainz, Adrian Alvarez Arencibia, Agustin Cervantes Garcia, Alejandro Cabrera Cruz, Alejandro Gonzalez Raga, Alexei Solorzano Chacon, Alexis Rodriguez Fernandez, Alexis Triana Montecino, Alfredo Felipe Fuentes, Alfredo M. Pulido Lopez, Alfredo Rodolfo Dominguez Batista, Alilas Saes Romero, Alquimidez Luis Martinez, Andres Frometa Cuenca, Antonio Augusto Villareal Acosta, Antonio Ramon Diaz Sanchez, Antonio Vladimir Rosello Gomez, Ariel Aguilera Hernandez, Ariel Sigler Amaya, Armando
Sosa Fortuny, Arnalda Ramos Lauzerique, Arturo Perez de Alejo Rodriguez, Arturo Suarez Ramos, Arturo Suarez Ramos, Benito Ortega Suarez, Bernardo Espinosa Hernandez, Bias Giraldo Reyes Rodriguez, Carlos Luis Diaz Fernandez, Carlos Martin Gomez, Cecilio Reinoso Sanchez, Charles Valdez Suarez, Claro Fernando Alonzo
Hernandez, Claro Sanchez Altarriba, Daniel Candelario Santovenia Fernandez, Daniel Escalona Martinez, David Aguila Montero, Delvis Cespedes Reyes, Digzan Ramirez Ballester, Diosdado Gonzalez Marrero, Dr. Jose Luis Garcia Paneque, Dr. Oscar Elias Biscet Gonzalez, Duilliam Ramirez Ballester, Eduardo Diaz Castellanos.
Eduardo Diaz Fleitas, Efrain Roberto Rivas Hernandez, Efren Fernandez Fernandez, Egberto Angel Escobedo Morales, Elio Enrique Chavez Ramon, Elio Terrero Gomez, Elizardo Calbo Hernandez, Enrique Santos Gomez, Ernesto Borges Perez, Ernesto Duran Rodriguez, Ezequiel Morales Carmenate, Fabio Prieto Llorente, Felix Geraldo Vega Ruiz, Felix Navarro Rodriguez, Fidel Garcia Roldan, Fidel Suarez Cruz, Francisco Herodes Diaz Echemendia, Francisco Pacheco Espinosa, Francisco Pastor Chaviano Gonzalez, Guido
Sigler Amaya, Hector Larroque Rego, Hector Maceda Gutierrez, Hector Palacio Ruiz, Hector Raul Valle Hernandez, Hiran Gonzalez Torna, Horacia Julio Piña Borrego, Humberto Eladio Real Suarez, Ignacio Ramos Valdez, Ivan Hernandez Carrillo, Jesus Manuel Rojas Pineda, Jesus Mustafa Felipe,
Joel Cano Diaz, Joel Perez Ozorio, Jorge Alvarez Sanchez, Jorge Gonzalez Velazquez, Jorge Luis Gonzalez Riveron, Jorge Luis Gonzalez Tanquero, Jorge Luis Martinez Roja, Jorge Luis Suarez Varona, Jorge Ozorio Vazquez, Jorge Pelegrin Ruiz, Jorge Rafael Benitez Chui, Jose Agramonte Leiva.
Jose Antonio Mola Porro, Jose Benito Menendez del Valle, Jose Carlos Montero Ocampo, Jose Daniel Ferrer Garcia, Jose Enrique Santana Carreiras, Jose Diaz Silva, Jose Gabriel Ramon Castillo, Jose Joaquin Palma Salas, Jose Miguel Martinez Hernandez, Jose Ramon Falcon Gomez, Jose Rodriguez Herrada, Jose Ubaldo Izquierdo Hernandez, Juan Alfredo Valle Perez, Juan Carlos Herrera Acosta, Juan Carlos Vazquez Garcia, Juan Ochoa Leyva, Julian Enrique Martinez Baez, Julian Hernandez Lopez, Julio Cesar Alvarez
Lopez, Julio Cesar Galvez Rodriguez, Lazaro Alejandro Garcia Farah, Lazaro Gonzalez Adan, Lazaro Gonzalez Caraballo, Leandro Suarez Sabot, Lenin Efren Cordova, Leoncio Rodriguez Ponce, Leonel Grave de Peralta Almenares, Lester Gonzalez Penton, Librado Ricardo Linares Garcia, Luis Cabrera Ballester, Luis Elio de la Paz Ramon, Luis Enrique Ferrer Garcia, Luis
Milan Fernandez, Manuel Ubals Gonzalez, Manuel Ubals Gonzalez, Marcelino Rodriguez Vazquez, Marcelo Cano Rodriguez, Marco Antonio Soto Morell, Marino Antomachit Rivero, Mario Enrique Mayo Hernandez, Maximo Omar Ruiz Matoses, Maximo Robaina Pradera, Miguel Diaz Bauza, Miguel Galvan Gutierrez, Mijail Barzaga Lugo, Nelson Aguiar Ramirez, Nelson Molinet Espino.
Norberto Chavez Diaz, Normando Hernandez Gonzalez, Omar Moises Hernandez Ruiz, Omar Pernet Hernandez, Omar Rodriguez Saludes, Orlando Zapata Tamayo, Pablo Javier Sanchez Quintero, Pablo Pacheco Avila, Pedro Arguelles Moran, Pedro de la Caridad Alvarez Pedroso, Pedro Genaro Barrera Rodriguez, Pedro Lizado Peña, Pedro Pablo Alvarez Ramos, Pedro Pablo Pulido Ortega, Prospero Gainza Aguero, Rafael Corrales Alonso, Rafael Gonzalez Ruiz, Rafael Ibarra Roque, Rafael Jorrin Garcia, Rafael Millet
Leyva, Ramon Fidel Basulto Garcia, Randy Cabrera Mayor, Raul Alejandro Delgado Arias, Raumel Vinagera Stevens, Regis Iglesia Ramirez, Reinaldo Calzadilla Paz, Reinaldo Galvez Contrera, Reinaldo Miguel Labrada Peña, Ricardo Enrique Silva Gual, Ricardo Gonzalez Alfonso, Ricardo Gonzalez Alfonso, Ricardo Pupo Cierra, Ridel Ruiz Cabrera, Roberto Alejandro Lopez
Rodriguez, Rolando Jimenez Posada, Santiago Adrian Simon Palomo, Saul Lista Placeres, Tomas Ramos Rodriguez, Vicente Coll Campaniony, Victor Rolando Arroyo Carmona, Virgilio Mantilla Arango, Yosbel Gonzalez Plaza, Felipe Alberto Laronte Mirabal, Rene Montes de Oca Martija, Adolfo Lazaro Bosq Hinojosa, Alberto Martinez Fernandez, Alexander Roberto Fernandez Rico.
Amado Idelfonso Ruiz Moreno, Andres Sabon Lituanes, Angel R. Eireo Rodriguez, Ariel Fleitas Gonzalez, Ariel Ramos Acosta (Hijo), Arnaldo Nicot Roche, Augusto Cesar San Martin Albistur, Anita la de Chaviano, Augusto Guerra Marquez, Candido Terry Carbonell, Carlos Alberto Dominguez, Carlos Alberto Dominguez, Carlos Brizuela Yera, Carlos Brizuela Yera, Carlos Israel Anaya Velazquez, Carlos Miguel Lopez Santos, Carmelo Diaz Fernandez, Carmelo Diaz Fernandez, Dania Rojas Gongora, Delio Laureano Requejo
Rodriguez, Edel Jose Garcia Diaz, Edel Jose Garcia Diaz, Emilio Leyva Perez, Enrique Dieguez Rivera, Enrique Garcia Morejon, Antonio Marcelino Garcia Morejon, Ernesto Duran Rodriguez, Francisco Godar Mariño, Froilan Menas Albrisas, Guillermo Fariñas Hernandez, Guillermo Renato Rojas Sanchez, Humberto Acosta Yorka, Humberto Eladio Real Suarez, Idelfonso
Batista Cruz, Inocente Martinez Rodriguez, Jesus Adolfo Reyes Sanchez, Alejandro Mustafa Reyes, Joaquin Barriga San Emeterio, Jorge Hanoi Alcala Gorrita, Jorge Luis Garcia Perez, Jorge Olivera Castillo, Jorge Olivera Castillo, Jose Alberto Castro Aguilar, Jose Arosmin Diaz Kolb, Jose Lorenzo Perez Fidalgo, Jose Miguel Martinez Hernandez, Jose Patricio Armas Garcia.
Juan Carlos Fonseca Fonseca, Juan Carlos Gonzalez Leyva, Juan Luis Corrales Perez, Juan Pedoso Esquivel, Juan Ramirez Gonzalez, Juan Rodriguez Leon, Julio A. Valdes Guevara, Lazaro Iglesias Estrada, Lazaro Miguel Rodriguez Capote, Leobanis Manresa Osoria, Leonardo Corria Amaya, Leonardo M. Bruzon Avila, Lexter Tellez Castro, Luis Alberto Martinez Rodriguez, Luis Campos Corrales, Manuel Vazquez Portal, Manuel Vazquez Portal, Marcelo Lopez Bañobre, Margarito Broche Espinosa, Martha Beatriz
Roque Cabello, Migdalia Hernandez Enamorado, Migdalis Ponce Casanova, Miguel Angel Gata Perez, Miguel Sigler Amaya, Miguel Sigler Amaya, Miguel Valdes Tamayo, Noel Ramos Rojas, Normando Perez Alvarez, Ociel Olivares Tito, Reinaldo Hernandez 02/05/05, Omar Wilson Estevez Real, Orlando Fundora Alvarez, Oscar Mario Gonzalez Perez, Oscar
Espinosa Chepe, Osvaldo Alfonso Valdes, Pedro Pablo Alvarez Ramos, Rafael Perera Gomez, Ramon Herrera Corcho, Raul Rivero Castaneda, Raydel Ramirez Valdes, Raul Arencivia Fajardo, Ricardo Ramos Pereira, Ricardo Rodriguez Borrego, Roberto de Miranda Hernandez, Roberto Esquijerosa Chirino, Roberto Montero Tamayo, Rodolfo Barthelemy Coba.
Rogelio Ramos Prado, Rolando Corrales Martinez, Ulises Manresa Osoria, Victor Bresler Cisneros, Victor Campa Almarales, Virgilio Marante Guelmes, Yoel Vazquez Perez, Rolando Ferrer Espinosa, Nestor Rodriguez Lobaina, Julio Cesar Morales Gonzalez, Roberto Bruno Fonseca Guevara, Abelardo Cesar Cordero Perez, Adolfo Fernandez Sainz, Alejandro Gonzalez Raga, Alfredo Felipe Fuentes, Alfredo M. Pulido Lopez, Dr. Jose Luis Garcia Paneque, Fabio Prieto Llorente, Hector Maceda Gutierrez, Ivan Hernandez
Carrillo, Jose Ubaldo Izquierdo Hernandez, Juan Carlos Herrera Acosta, Julio Cesar Galvez Rodriguez, Lexter Tellez Castro, Mario Enrique Mayo Hernandez, Miguel Galvan Gutierrez, Mijail Barzaga Lugo, Normando Hernandez Gonzalez, Omar Moises Hernandez Ruiz, Omar Rodriguez Saludes, Pablo Pacheco Avila, Pedro Arguelles Moran, Ricardo Gonzalez Alfonso, Victor Rolando Arroyo Carmona.
Mr. MARIO DIAZ-BALART of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I, too, want to just first commend the two individuals who have brought this resolution forward, two individuals who have a history of fighting for human rights around the world. I thank the gentleman from Arkansas (Mr. Boozman) for his leadership. Once again, those who are oppressed can always count on the gentleman from Arkansas, and the gentleman from California (Mr. Lantos), a person who is, again, a hero to so many around the
world, particularly to those who cannot speak up, cannot speak out, like we are able to do here. I thank him for his leadership. It is a privilege to serve with him.
A lot has been said about why this resolution is needed. My colleague from Florida just mentioned the response that the European Union has had to this latest crackdown. A deplorable response, a response which is the definition of appeasement, if there ever was one.
It is wonderful to see, though, Mr. Speaker, that this Congress, once again, stands up with those who are seeking freedom, but who do not have it. This Congress once again is saying, no, we are not going to stay silent, we are going to speak up for those who cannot speak up, we are going to speak up for those who are in prison.
We do not forget that just 90 miles away from the shores of the United States there is a dictatorship, a tyranny that is not only corrupt, that is not only on the list of terrorist nations, those nations that sponsor terrorism, that is not only a dictatorship who sponsors narco trafficking, which also is a dictatorship who practices apartheid against its own people, and who murders not only its own people, but also has over the years murdered numerous Americans. We recall, we recall as one of
the many examples that I can talk about today, when that dictatorship shot down two American airplanes.
So how appropriate then that this Congress, this symbol of freedom around the world is, once again, speaking out for those who cannot, is once [Page: H8412]
again remembering those who are being tortured in prison and, I think, also shows that once again, yes, this is the beacon of freedom. We understand that others are suffering. We do not forget. And, we know that one day the Cuban people will be able to speak up, though they are not able to do it right now, they
will be able to speak for themselves, because they will not be imprisoned forever.