8:35 PM EDT

Jerry Moran, R-KS 1st

Mr. MORAN of Kansas. Mr. Chairman, I am happy to be heard on the point of order.

Mr. Chairman, I believe that current designations by OFAC designating which countries we have unilateral sanctions against is specified in the rules and regulations. They would easily and readily be able to determine the definition of the phrases included in the amendment.

8:35 PM EDT

Jerry Moran, R-KS 1st

Mr. MORAN of Kansas. Mr. Chairman, I am happy to be heard on the point of order.

Mr. Chairman, I believe that current designations by OFAC designating which countries we have unilateral sanctions against is specified in the rules and regulations. They would easily and readily be able to determine the definition of the phrases included in the amendment.

8:35 PM EDT

Jerry Moran, R-KS 1st

Mr. MORAN of Kansas. Mr. Chairman, I am happy to be heard on the point of order.

Mr. Chairman, I believe that current designations by OFAC designating which countries we have unilateral sanctions against is specified in the rules and regulations. They would easily and readily be able to determine the definition of the phrases included in the amendment.

8:36 PM EDT

Charles W. Stenholm, D-TX 17th

Mr. STENHOLM. I certainly do, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Chairman, I believe that, based on all precedents within the House concerning appropriations bills and limitation of spending thereon, the amendment of the gentleman from Kansas (Mr. MORAN) meets all of the criteria as established under due precedence of this House. It is not that complicated. It is simply saying that none of the funds may be made available under this act to implement any sanction imposed.

It is something that the Parliamentarian has upheld, the Speaker has upheld many times, and I would urge the upholding and the ruling against this particular appealing of the Chair or the rule.

8:36 PM EDT

Charles W. Stenholm, D-TX 17th

Mr. STENHOLM. I certainly do, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Chairman, I believe that, based on all precedents within the House concerning appropriations bills and limitation of spending thereon, the amendment of the gentleman from Kansas (Mr. MORAN) meets all of the criteria as established under due precedence of this House. It is not that complicated. It is simply saying that none of the funds may be made available under this act to implement any sanction imposed.

It is something that the Parliamentarian has upheld, the Speaker has upheld many times, and I would urge the upholding and the ruling against this particular appealing of the Chair or the rule.

8:37 PM EDT

Peter Deutsch, D-FL 20th

Mr. DEUTSCH. Yes, Mr. Chairman, on the point of order.

Again, I would hope that each of us has an opportunity to read the amendment specifically. I would say to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. STENHOLM) that this is much broader than a limiting amendment, and I would agree completely with the gentleman from Florida (Mr. DIAZ-BALART).

If we read the language, it specifically asks someone, without any legislation, to determine other than a sanction imposed pursuant to an agreement with one or more other countries.

It is not a limiting amendment. A limiting amendment talks specifically about limiting funds on a specific program in a specific way without creating this additional category which would take investigative power, which would, in fact, take expenditure of funds, which by definition a limiting amendment cannot expenditure funds, which is exactly what this does.

So I think it is a pretty black and white case that we are spending money. This is authorizing money effectively, because that is the only way to do what this amendment asks us to do is spend money.

So I urge the Chair to rule the amendment out of order.

8:38 PM EDT

Lincoln Diaz-Balart, R-FL 21st

Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Chairman, is a verbal agreement by the President with any other country sufficient to constitute an agreement? Or is a bilateral written agreement or multilateral written agreement necessary? That is my question.

8:38 PM EDT

Lincoln Diaz-Balart, R-FL 21st

Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Chairman, is a verbal agreement by the President with any other country sufficient to constitute an agreement? Or is a bilateral written agreement or multilateral written agreement necessary? That is my question.

8:40 PM EDT

Peter Deutsch, D-FL 20th

Mr. DEUTSCH. Mr. Chairman, I have a parliamentary inquiry of the Chair.

Mr. Chairman, I was given a copy of this amendment earlier this evening, and the amendment that is at the desk is a different amendment. I would inquire of the Chair if the unanimous consent agreement allowed for the gentleman from Kansas (Mr. MORAN) to change his amendment.