11:30 PM EDT

Norm Dicks, D-WA 6th

Mr. DICKS. We cannot function if the majority is not going to give the minority a copy of these amendments. I would think the process here should stop until we have a copy of the amendment.

The Acting CHAIR. The Clerk is reading the amendment, after which it will be distributed.

The Clerk will continue to read.

The Clerk continued to read.

11:35 PM EDT

Steve King, R-IA 5th

Mr. KING of Iowa. Mr. Chairman, this is the amendment that prohibits any of the funds made available in this act to go to these associations that are in the list of this amendment.

We would like to have been able to just simply define ACORN and their affiliates, but because the definition of ``affiliates'' created some problems, we had to go with the actual list of the affiliates that has been compiled in large part by the Government Oversight Committee and in another part by the contributions of the astute media that has done some research on this.

This is similar to the effect of the language that we passed in previous Congresses under the Democrat majority. We have seen what ACORN has done and attempted to do to undermine the legitimate election process in the United States. The things that we saw with the video and the film that were going on inside the offices of ACORN, I believe, and there is under-oath testimony before this Congress of at least one ACORN, former ACORN employee, who testified that she believed that what we saw in the

film that came forward on YouTube and was posted in other media outlets actually reflected the culture inside the ACORN offices and was reflective of their offices around the country. And we saw that in five or six offices around the country.

Therefore, this Congress, we must not forget that our Constitution's foundation is set upon legitimate elections; and to subsidize the people that are in the business of undermining it would be the wrong thing to do.

This amendment shuts off the funding to the organizations that have a record of doing so, ACORN and their affiliates. It's a list of over 300. And I would just say over 300 sprouts from one large oak tree grew. These are the associates, the successors, and the affiliates of the larger and now some-disbanded organization known as ACORN. So I urge the adoption of my amendment.

I yield back the balance of my time.

11:37 PM EDT

David E. Price, D-NC 4th

Mr. PRICE of North Carolina. Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to this amendment, and I move to strike the last word.

The Acting CHAIR. The gentleman is recognized for 5 minutes.

11:37 PM EDT

David E. Price, D-NC 4th

Mr. PRICE of North Carolina. Mr. Chairman, this is an extraordinary amendment, a listing of over 3 pages of organizations by name, singled out on the floor of the House of Representatives for this kind of negative treatment, this kind of legislation that would simply render them ineligible for any kind of activity under this legislation, under this appropriations bill.

Now, I seriously doubt that there is money in the Homeland Security bill that would go to any of these organizations; but still, the principle is very troubling.

So I want to ask the gentleman, the offerer of the amendment, just about a few of these organizations and ask him to document whatever information he has about this specific organization that would justify their being included on this kind of list, being singled out in this way. What does the gentleman have, what kind of information does the gentleman have on the Arkansas Community Housing Corporation?

11:39 PM EDT

Steve King, R-IA 5th

Mr. KING of Iowa. I would tell you, as I said in my opening remarks, this list has been in large part compiled by the Government Oversight Committee.

11:40 PM EDT

David E. Price, D-NC 4th

Mr. PRICE of North Carolina. Well, you're asking your colleagues here tonight, before the entire Nation, to stigmatize these organizations, to slay these organizations.

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You have information, you're claiming, about these organizations that would warrant this kind of treatment, this kind of blackballing of these organizations with respect to any ability to compete legitimately for governmental funds. Don't you think you should have brought with you to the floor documentation of the problems with these organizations that would warrant this kind of treatment?

Let me ask you about the Agape Broadcast Foundation. What kind of information do you have about the Agape Foundation?

11:40 PM EDT

Steve King, R-IA 5th

Mr. KING of Iowa. If the gentleman yielded, I will say that I don't recall this objection when a large majority of this House under the Democrat majority voted to cut off the funds to ACORN and their affiliates. So that principle applies yet today, in my view.

11:41 PM EDT

David E. Price, D-NC 4th

Mr. PRICE of North Carolina. How about the Affiliated Media Foundation Movement? Does the gentleman have documentation of why that organization should be included here tonight?

11:41 PM EDT

Steve King, R-IA 5th

Mr. KING of Iowa. If the gentleman will yield, I would submit that we could reiterate this same question over 300 times over this amendment, and I will tell you the source of this information is primarily the Government Oversight Committee. The minutes of that [Page: H3903]

committee and their record is there and it's available, and there will be resources that go below into the depth of the committee report. Some of this also comes from media reports. I want to make

sure that----

11:41 PM EDT

David E. Price, D-NC 4th

Mr. PRICE of North Carolina. Reclaiming my time, I guess this would appear to be some kind of guilt by association, but I'm not sure it even rises to that level. Do we know about the associations of these organizations that would warrant their being tarred by this treatment here tonight?

Wouldn't the gentleman have the respect for his colleagues to bring to the floor the documentation that leads him to smear these organizations and include them on this extraordinary amendment? You're expecting us to vote on this.

What about the Affiliated Media Foundation Movement? Does the gentleman have information about that organization?

11:42 PM EDT

Steve King, R-IA 5th

Mr. KING of Iowa. As I said to the gentleman, we could go through this over 300 times, and you could ask the same question over 300 times, and it's substantially the same answer. This primary component of this list came from the Government Oversight Committee. We can go get the records from the committee, and we could produce those, but I don't think this Congress is interested in holding up this process while I go contact the chairman and the staff to pull that information.

11:42 PM EDT

David E. Price, D-NC 4th

Mr. PRICE of North Carolina. Well, the gentleman has been planning to offer this amendment. Why didn't you have the basic respect for this body to gather this documentation, knowing that these questions would be raised by anyone who wants conscientiously to vote on this amendment?

11:43 PM EDT

Steve King, R-IA 5th

Mr. KING of Iowa. If the gentleman will yield, doesn't the converse of that also apply, that there's an implication of disrespect for the Government Oversight Committee and the legitimacy of their findings?

The Acting CHAIR. The time of the gentleman has expired.

11:43 PM EDT

Norm Dicks, D-WA 6th

Mr. DICKS. I rise in opposition to the amendment, and I move to strike the requisite number of words.

The Acting CHAIR. The gentleman from Washington is recognized for 5 minutes.

11:43 PM EDT

Norm Dicks, D-WA 6th

Mr. DICKS. I hope that the chairman will object to this amendment and ask the gentleman to withdraw it.

I think this is an extraordinary attack on all of these groups. We have no evidence. We have no information whatsoever to base a decision on here. I mean, you can say that--the Government Oversight didn't write you a letter and ask you to offer this amendment, did they? You have no official relationship with the Government Oversight Committee, do you?

11:44 PM EDT

Steve King, R-IA 5th

Mr. KING of Iowa. The Government Oversight Committee put the majority of this list together. I want to emphasize some also come from media reports. So I don't challenge the legitimacy of the Government Oversight conclusion, and I don't have reason to believe that the analysis of this is illegitimate.

11:44 PM EDT

Norm Dicks, D-WA 6th

Mr. DICKS. Reclaiming my time, did you check the media reports to see if they were accurate? We've all heard of media reports that are inaccurate.

I mean, you're casting aspersions on groups here from all over the country, and none of us here have any indication of the basis. And you're saying some of these came from media attacks. Did you check and verify that these media attacks were accurate?

11:45 PM EDT

Steve King, R-IA 5th

Mr. KING of Iowa. Let me just take your argument, then, down to the conclusion, which will be, if I respond to your question, you'll ask me another and another and another, and it will get down to have they been convicted in a court of law and are you sure that it was a legitimate case and is it under appeal and has it gone to the Supreme Court? We can never reach a conclusion on this. The gentleman knows that. So we have to make a judgment call and that's----

11:45 PM EDT

Norm Dicks, D-WA 6th

Mr. DICKS. Reclaiming my time, I remember a Senator from Wisconsin in the 1950s who did just about the same kind of thing and was rebuked by the other body for casting aspersions on innocent people. I'm just telling you, you are asking this House to vote on something and you haven't verified it. You don't know what these groups are all about. And it's a disgrace to even offer this amendment.

11:45 PM EDT

Norm Dicks, D-WA 6th

Mr. DICKS. Reclaiming my time, I remember a Senator from Wisconsin in the 1950s who did just about the same kind of thing and was rebuked by the other body for casting aspersions on innocent people. I'm just telling you, you are asking this House to vote on something and you haven't verified it. You don't know what these groups are all about. And it's a disgrace to even offer this amendment.

11:45 PM EDT

Steve King, R-IA 5th

Mr. KING of Iowa. I just ask, since the gentleman has raised the issue of the Senator from Wisconsin, if he could name any individual who was unjustly charged by the Senator from Wisconsin.

11:46 PM EDT

Norm Dicks, D-WA 6th

Mr. DICKS. I'm not going to get into that tonight. I will be glad to send you a list when you verify the media reports and can come up with a list and talk about these organizations in a meaningful way instead of just putting a list here together and expecting us to vote on this thing. It's ridiculous.

ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE ACTING CHAIR

The Acting CHAIR. The Chair reminds Members to address their remarks to the Chair.

11:46 PM EDT

David E. Price, D-NC 4th

Mr. PRICE of North Carolina. Mr. Chairman, I'm not going to prolong this, but I do want to plead with my colleagues.

This is something that this body simply, simply should not be a party to. Bringing in three pages-plus of organizations that many of us, most of us, have never heard of, have no knowledge of. They may be on somebody's list somewhere. We have no knowledge of the basis for inclusion on that list. There may have been media reports about them. Whatever there is that would back up this kind of list, at a minimum it should be provided to us tonight. Anyone offering an amendment of this sort ought to

provide the basic documentation for the kind of stigmatizing, the kind of exclusion that is being proposed here of these organizations from any ability to compete for funding in this bill.

I hope it's obvious--I hope it's obvious to everybody here, no matter what their political persuasion, that this is simply unacceptable and must be rejected.

I yield back the balance of my time.

The Acting CHAIR. The question is on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. King).

The question was taken; and the Acting Chair announced that the noes appeared to have it.