And
And look
And look for
United Kingdom. At nine
United Kingdom. At nine.
Now
At nine. Now from Boston
At nine. Now from Boston.
Journalists
Now from Boston. Journalists and scholars discuss the
media's
Journalists and scholars discuss the media's coverage of race
Journalists and scholars discuss the media's coverage of race.
N.B.C.
media's coverage of race. N.B.C. News anchor and current
moderates
N.B.C. News anchor and current moderates the form
N.B.C. News anchor and current moderates the form.
Which
moderates the form. Which is
Journalists Association meeting. It lasts an hour and forty five minutes
Journalists Association meeting. It lasts an hour and forty five minutes.
What
It lasts an hour and forty five minutes. What if it's just a few moments without
It lasts an hour and forty five minutes. What if it's just a few moments without.
Well
What if it's just a few moments without. Well.
More
Well. More sad news coverage
Well. More sad news coverage.
Of
More sad news coverage. Of race for the next hour and forty
five
Of race for the next hour and forty five minutes about we'll be focusing on
news
five minutes about we'll be focusing on news coverage of racial tensions and
the
news coverage of racial tensions and the race in general are on our
Gracious enough to join us today are. Dr Gerald Horn he's a former attorney
Gracious enough to join us today are. Dr Gerald Horn he's a former attorney.
And
Dr Gerald Horn he's a former attorney. And the director of the Institute for
African-American
And the director of the Institute for African-American Research at the
University
African-American Research at the University of North Carolina
African-American Research at the University of North Carolina.
Next
University of North Carolina. Next to him is Elizabeth
University of North Carolina. Next to him is Elizabeth.
Who
Next to him is Elizabeth. Who Yang who is also an attorney for
the
Who Yang who is also an attorney for the Asian American Legal Defense
Education
the Asian American Legal Defense Education Fund
the Asian American Legal Defense Education Fund.
Next
Education Fund. Next to her is
Education Fund. Next to her is.
Alan
He is an author and columnist on race relations at the Boston Globe
He is an author and columnist on race relations at the Boston Globe.
And
relations at the Boston Globe. And next to Alan is
relations at the Boston Globe. And next to Alan is.
On race and social tensions. Welcome to all four of you
On race and social tensions. Welcome to all four of you.
And
Welcome to all four of you. And thank you for joining us here today
Welcome to all four of you. And thank you for joining us here today.
My
And thank you for joining us here today. My name is Ann Curry I'm from N.B.C.
News
My name is Ann Curry I'm from N.B.C. News and it does also my honor to be
here
News and it does also my honor to be here with you today
News and it does also my honor to be here with you today.
We're
here with you today. We're going to begin our seminar today
by
We're going to begin our seminar today by showing a
documentary entitled blacks and Jews. It looks at news coverage and of the of
an
It looks at news coverage and of the of an event in California
It looks at news coverage and of the of an event in California.
At
an event in California. At what
students. Went to watch
students. Went to watch.
Schindler's
Went to watch. Schindler's List
Went to watch. Schindler's List.
And
Schindler's List. And news coverage of that story
Schindler's List. And news coverage of that story.
In
And news coverage of that story. In January
And news coverage of that story. In January.
On
In January. On Martin Luther King's birthday
In January. On Martin Luther King's birthday.
California
On Martin Luther King's birthday. California.
Went
California. Went on a dramatic film about Nazi
understanding. Magnified
understanding. Magnified.
In the lobby. Demanding that something be done
In the lobby. Demanding that something be done.
About
Demanding that something be done. About what was wrong
Demanding that something be done. About what was wrong.
What
About what was wrong. What was
It's a film about the kids who got kicked in the
Movie is good stuff about a late. Underlying conflict
Movie is good stuff about a late. Underlying conflict.
There's
Underlying conflict. There's certainly newsworthy what if
one
There's certainly newsworthy what if one of the rubs
There's certainly newsworthy what if one of the rubs.
So
one of the rubs. So it had a lot of elements going into
it
So it had a lot of elements going into it.
The
it. The mix
it. The mix.
Than
The mix. Than the
story. Or
story. Or earthquake as a good news story
story. Or earthquake as a good news story.
This
Or earthquake as a good news story. This was a good news story
Or earthquake as a good news story. This was a good news story.
We're
This was a good news story. We're now going to turn to our
get their reactions to what we've just seen
get their reactions to what we've just seen.
And
seen. And first I'd like to ask Mr Gerald
Horne
And first I'd like to ask Mr Gerald Horne Mr Moore did the media
just. saw
just. saw I think so I think that if anything
just. saw I think so I think that if anything.
The
saw I think so I think that if anything. The reaction of these youth to
saw I think so I think that if anything. The reaction of these youth to.
This
The reaction of these youth to. This film
The reaction of these youth to. This film.
That
This film. That much more about our society than
it
That much more about our society than it said about the youth themselves that
is
it said about the youth themselves that is to say that if you
television set at any time of day. You will see a
to a certain kind of. Desensitizing to the a heinous act of
murder
Desensitizing to the a heinous act of murder.
Which
murder. Which can cause
murder. Which can cause.
But
definition oftentimes are not mature. Which can cause them sometimes to react
definition oftentimes are not mature. Which can cause them sometimes to react.
In
Which can cause them sometimes to react. In that kind of fashion
Which can cause them sometimes to react. In that kind of fashion.
We
In that kind of fashion. We miss the story the story wasn't that
there
We miss the story the story wasn't that there was a racial tension between
these
there was a racial tension between these two
are to violence and that's why they laugh you think that's what
think. I
think. I think that's one of the worst
have no idea what the kids were not doing
have no idea what the kids were not doing.
I
doing. I would like to see some
that film that would tell me what they did or didn't do and then I could make
whether they were right or wrong and whether the adults were right or wrong
in
whether the adults were right or wrong in how they reacted but as of the
second
in how they reacted but as of the second I can do that well in fact you
know
second I can do that well in fact you know the
the question as to why they laughed and let that left
the question as to why they laughed and let that left.
On
let that left. On answered
let that left. On answered.
Allowed
On answered. Allowed all kind of
why they laughed and that led to the kind of
Well I think I just do not laugh. Do we know that
Well I think I just do not laugh. Do we know that.
They
everything else I've heard. At what they say that they laughed at
any
At what they say that they laughed at any of the T.V. or read or
stories to anybody's knowledge. Examined
stories to anybody's knowledge. Examined.
Why
Examined. Why they laughed or asked them why they
left
Why they laughed or asked them why they left and right
Why they laughed or asked them why they left and right.
According
left and right. According to this
know that it was really the surface coverage of the event
know that it was really the surface coverage of the event.
That
coverage of the event. That led to all kinds of
about what. Exactly
Lizabeth I saw you shaking your head when you think
Lizabeth I saw you shaking your head when you think.
Well
when you think. Well I have to agree that I think what
this
need for understanding it didn't go beyond that surface and made me think
about
beyond that surface and made me think about.
to you. And I
On a school. That was largely white there was an
Asian
That was largely white there was an Asian woman there
That was largely white there was an Asian woman there.
High
Asian woman there. High school student and
Asian woman there. High school student and.
There
High school student and. There were other
she learn most. And what did she get out of the most
she learn most. And what did she get out of the most.
And
And what did she get out of the most. And she said hearing
And what did she get out of the most. And she said hearing.
An
And she said hearing. An African-American
And she said hearing. An African-American.
Professor
And that she learned the most from that and that the
a New York City were few. To have an African-American role model
a New York City were few. To have an African-American role model.
To
Similarly. As
a hate crime. An alternative to
When asked you know does she have to she
She said she's afraid to make friends with Asian American because she
And she doesn't know if they would want to be friends with her
And she doesn't know if they would want to be friends with her.
Another
to be friends with her. Another instance in a school outside of
New
Another instance in a school outside of New York City largely white
Another instance in a school outside of New York City largely white.
Buchanan
New York City largely white. Buchanan territory
New York City largely white. Buchanan territory.
That
Buchanan territory. That it was the hardest
Buchanan territory. That it was the hardest.
entire life. We were asked to
bathroom. After a racially motivated incident
bathroom. After a racially motivated incident.
To
After a racially motivated incident. To members of the class and
After a racially motivated incident. To members of the class and.
The
To members of the class and. The white male use
To members of the class and. The white male use.
Just
The white male use. Just said well don't you think that
this
don't you think. Koreans beat
Minorities there if we went to. You know China do you think that we
would
You know China do you think that we would be a minority
You know China do you think that we would be a minority.
We
would be a minority. We would get beaten
Does your organization because if I was white in law does that mean you
wouldn't
white in law does that mean you wouldn't serve us
white in law does that mean you wouldn't serve us.
It
wouldn't serve us. It was a very hostile
they felt that way. But that was three cross sections and
they felt that way. But that was three cross sections and.
In
But that was three cross sections and. In the outskirts and
But that was three cross sections and. In the outskirts and.
In
In the outskirts and. In New York City
In the outskirts and. In New York City.
She
In New York City. She talking about the level that is a
question
She talking about the level that is a question of surface
tensions. It's so easy to cover these stories
from
It's so easy to cover these stories from the
questions about what are the reasons for it and
themselves the editors and selves don't really totally understand it
themselves the editors and selves don't really totally understand it.
Themselves
really totally understand it. Themselves in terms of which questions
to
Themselves in terms of which questions to ask the
what do you think about this comment. And I think you're absolutely right
first
And I think you're absolutely right first of all I think
And I think you're absolutely right first of all I think.
When
first of all I think. When you have stories like this
first of all I think. When you have stories like this.
In
When you have stories like this. In this book
When you have stories like this. In this book.
objectify. Some of the subjects in this case the
objectification
Some of the subjects in this case the objectification.
Is
objectification. Is of the
objectification. Is of the.
Particular
Is of the. Particular students
Is of the. Particular students.
We
Particular students. We know nothing about these students at
the
We know nothing about these students at the end of these
I follow the story a bit. When it occurred
I follow the story a bit. When it occurred.
Because
When it occurred. Because I was curious to why someone
would
Because I was curious to why someone would go into a movie
Because I was curious to why someone would go into a movie.
House
would go into a movie. House and
would go into a movie. House and.
While
House and. While off and try to get bits and
And from the news coverage. And it was national news coverage
And from the news coverage. And it was national news coverage.
And
And it was national news coverage. And the final analysis I still learn
very
And the final analysis I still learn very little about this
what is clear is that some students in the movie house laughed
what is clear is that some students in the movie house laughed.
Saw
the movie house laughed. Saw him did
the movie house laughed. Saw him did.
Some
Saw him did. Some students
Saw him did. Some students.
Admonish
Some students. Admonish some of their fellow students
not
Admonish some of their fellow students not to laugh
Admonish some of their fellow students not to laugh.
But
not to laugh. But this is a serious matter
not to laugh. But this is a serious matter.
But
But this is a serious matter. But again here you had an
objectification
But again here you had an objectification.
It
objectification. It was seen as
objectification. It was seen as.
Students
It was seen as. Students at this
Who are not monolithic. But yet the
Holocaust. Another all
Is that I think this is something also about what we are obsessed with the
media
about what we are obsessed with the media.
And
media. And I think of one the
obsessed with is that. Of black Jewish relations
obsessed with is that. Of black Jewish relations.
Now
Of black Jewish relations. Now that is a legitimate story
Of black Jewish relations. Now that is a legitimate story.
As
Now that is a legitimate story. As this
theater is a legitimate story. The question is what do we do with a
story
The question is what do we do with a story that is legitimate
The question is what do we do with a story that is legitimate.
And
story that is legitimate. And there's something in journalism
that
And there's something in journalism that we all learn which is called
And there's something in journalism that we all learn which is called.
Embracing
story than what is being shown here. On Channel two that
I mean it seems to me that one could argue that in the cities across the
country
Throughout this nation will go to the loudest
Throughout this nation will go to the loudest.
On
loudest. On both sides of an issue a story that
deals
On both sides of an issue a story that deals with racial tension
On both sides of an issue a story that deals with racial tension.
Not
deals with racial tension. Not the most thoughtful
deals with racial tension. Not the most thoughtful.
But
Not the most thoughtful. But the loudest
Not the most thoughtful. But the loudest.
So
But the loudest. So you get the extreme of the story you
don't
So you get the extreme of the story you don't necessarily you're talking about
magazines or in. On the air
magazines or in. On the air.
Or
On the air. Or in radio when it comes to discover
On the air. Or in radio when it comes to discover.
To
Or in radio when it comes to discover. To the issue of racial tension now
Or in radio when it comes to discover. To the issue of racial tension now.
Alan
To the issue of racial tension now. Alan.
You
And what I've just said. Is somewhat of an attack the
do what you do. So what's your
hundred something on that we've yet to solve
hundred something on that we've yet to solve.
What
solve. What what
rush. To
rush. To cover a story
rush. To cover a story.
Then
To cover a story. Then one
broadcasting. You can understand why the first
stories
You can understand why the first stories will be
said that and that's where we are on to the commercial the fault lies in the
follow
I can excuse the initial stories. Someone
I can excuse the initial stories. Someone.
But
Someone. But I cannot excuse the lack of follow
And I can excuse when we do full do the follow
By the way if any of this sounds familiar
By the way if any of this sounds familiar.
Those
familiar. Those who are old enough to remember
when
Those who are old enough to remember when most of you are not
Those who are old enough to remember when most of you are not.
And
when most of you are not. And those who will care enough about
reading
And those who will care enough about reading history will recall once
time there was something called the Kerner Commission
That came out in the middle of the sixty's
That came out in the middle of the sixty's.
During
sixty's. During the riots in one of the many
sections
During the riots in one of the many sections of the current commission
who understand the subtleties. One of the things that
America is we have a very short attention
And it gets shorter and shorter as fewer and fewer
the one nine hundred sixty S. when the current commission
Have now been frustrated because we cannot
Have now been frustrated because we cannot.
And
cannot. And when we do
cannot. And when we do.
Let
And when we do. Let me give you an
reader does. It's called a yawn
reader does. It's called a yawn.
And
It's called a yawn. And watch as I surf these channels Hey
a
And watch as I surf these channels Hey a rerun of Beverly Hillbillies
And watch as I surf these channels Hey a rerun of Beverly Hillbillies.
So
a rerun of Beverly Hillbillies. So we got here folks
a rerun of Beverly Hillbillies. So we got here folks.
Is
So we got here folks. Is On the one hand
So we got here folks. Is On the one hand.
The
Is On the one hand. The news business that is no longer
remembering
The news business that is no longer remembering the current commission
reach
remembering the current commission reach.
Ford
reach. Ford or
And on the other hand. Increasingly an audience of
do not care. Which of course makes Jefferson turn
over
Which of course makes Jefferson turn over in his grave
Which of course makes Jefferson turn over in his grave.
Because
over in his grave. Because he said of the democracy was
going
Because he said of the democracy was going to work
Because he said of the democracy was going to work.
We'd
going to work. We'd have to have an enlightened
electorate
We'd have to have an enlightened electorate.
Forgive
electorate. Forgive the long winded and Oh I think
you
Forgive the long winded and Oh I think you know I think you laid out the
Invite anybody who would like to ask the question make a comment
Invite anybody who would like to ask the question make a comment.
There
the question make a comment. There are two
room and you are welcome to stand at them and as I see you I will call you a
call
them and as I see you I will call you a call on you to make your
your ask your question. Mr Horn you just heard what Mr
said what Alan said and he was talking about coverage
said what Alan said and he was talking about coverage.
Because
about coverage. Because I'm going
about coverage. Because I'm going.
About
Because I'm going. About the riots of the sixty's you
wrote
About the riots of the sixty's you wrote a book about the riots called
fire
wrote a book about the riots called fire this time the Watts
And the one nine hundred sixty S.. And looking back over the
And the one nine hundred sixty S.. And looking back over the.
night
And looking back over the. night Over that of the news coverage of
that
night Over that of the news coverage of that event would you agree with Mr Lew
that
that event would you agree with Mr Lew that the coverage was
that event would you agree with Mr Lew that the coverage was.
SURFACE
that the coverage was. SURFACE.
Absolutely
SURFACE. Absolutely you might recall that in one
thousand
Absolutely you might recall that in one thousand nine hundred sixty five and
August
thousand nine hundred sixty five and August when Watts went
the West Coast and of Southern California
the West Coast and of Southern California.
Didn't
California. Didn't have one African-American
And send him out into the battle to bring back
had difficulty communicating to their wide audience
had difficulty communicating to their wide audience.
What
wide audience. What was actually going on not only
August
What was actually going on not only August nineteenth sixty five but the
events
August nineteenth sixty five but the events that would lead
conflagration. As beset Los Angeles doing the time
conflagration. As beset Los Angeles doing the time.
It
As beset Los Angeles doing the time. It seems to me there is also another
kind
It seems to me there is also another kind of structural
media. Faces that
Particularly. And that is that
Particularly. And that is that.
Age
And that is that. Age old
Of the media more interested in man bites dog as
stories and so as a result. They're looking for something
stories and so as a result. They're looking for something.
Not
They're looking for something. Not not the
They're looking for something. Not not the.
The
Not not the. The city and rush of
Not not the. The city and rush of.
Rather
The city and rush of. Rather what I consider to be Monday and
events
Rather what I consider to be Monday and events.
But
events. But they're looking for the novel of
that's
Is that in television news if it bleeds it leads in the same to me that
Is that in television news if it bleeds it leads in the same to me that.
As
it leads in the same to me that. As a result of that sort of aggressions
of
As a result of that sort of aggressions of law where the
As a result of that sort of aggressions of law where the.
The
of law where the. The trashy kinds of stories
of law where the. The trashy kinds of stories.
Tend
The trashy kinds of stories. Tend to drive
The trashy kinds of stories. Tend to drive.
Out
Tend to drive. Out of the
I. I've
I. I've seen
I. I've seen.
I
I've seen. I touched on it a minute ago but I
didn't
I touched on it a minute ago but I didn't touch on it well enough and I
There was a. If you'll forgive the cliche a window
of
was saying gee for the first time in history
was saying gee for the first time in history.
We're
history. We're going to have lodge numbers of
educated
And they're going to demand more. Then the three alarm fire
And they're going to demand more. Then the three alarm fire.
And
Then the three alarm fire. And the man bites dog
Then the three alarm fire. And the man bites dog.
And
And the man bites dog. And the
And the shootings. They're going to want more than that
they're
They're going to want more than that they're going to want to now we're
going
they're going to want to now we're going to want
they're going to want to now we're going to want.
watched into it. And for a while we were doing
well. Certainly not on race stories and maybe
not
Certainly not on race stories and maybe not in some of the stories but
generally
this was the great future of journalism. But what
Was the television. And all the things that have come since
took
And all the things that have come since took hold
And all the things that have come since took hold.
And
took hold. And we've become an audio visual
took hold. And we've become an audio visual.
Country
And we've become an audio visual. Country.
Not
Country. Not a reading country
Country. Not a reading country.
And
Not a reading country. And because of that
Not a reading country. And because of that.
We
And because of that. We have a hard time holding
attention. So that you hear the great call from
the
years. Don't cover
Don't cover the horse race. Don't cover the surface give us
We often get a lot on in return. So I agree with you that it's a
Look if. If editors and news directors felt that
by
If editors and news directors felt that by giving
In covering racial tensions. They would sell
They would do it. They can't do it
They would do it. They can't do it.
What's
They can't do it. What's the
How do you solve it. Well
How do you solve it. Well.
How
Well. How to solve it as a as a major
question
How to solve it as a as a major question.
I
question. I can again identify what
a lot of news editors now think that their audiences when watching NEWS
a lot of news editors now think that their audiences when watching NEWS.
Would
America's Most Wanted. And they give them
Most Wanted. Instead of news
Most Wanted. Instead of news.
And
Instead of news. And I think that
Instead of news. And I think that.
That
And I think that. That is
are in the news should somehow. Decide what's best for the American
It's not just telling the social obligation to kind of try to change the
American
obligation to kind of try to change the American society by
obligation to kind of try to change the American society by.
By
American society by. By you know taking on the
should know versus what they want to. know Well first of all I think Alan is
right
know Well first of all I think Alan is right about one thing
know Well first of all I think Alan is right about one thing.
They
right about one thing. They it's not just the media
right about one thing. They it's not just the media.
The
They it's not just the media. The media follows an agenda that is in
say they want. But actually want
say they want. But actually want.
And
But actually want. And what we seem to be getting these
days
And what we seem to be getting these days.
Instead
days. Instead of news quite often and instead
of
Instead of news quite often and instead of.
getting intertainment. The news has transitioned from
getting intertainment. The news has transitioned from.
Articles
The news has transitioned from. Articles of Faith based on
The news has transitioned from. Articles of Faith based on.
Objectivity
Articles of Faith based on. Objectivity.
Or
Objectivity. Or at least verisimilitude
Objectivity. Or at least verisimilitude.
To
Or at least verisimilitude. To now based on what sells
Or at least verisimilitude. To now based on what sells.
Based
To now based on what sells. Based on violence
To now based on what sells. Based on violence.
Based
Based on violence. Based on
Based on things that are not achromatic. Based on the students in the theater
and
Based on the students in the theater and you to grab a story
Based on the students in the theater and you to grab a story.
That
and you to grab a story. That suggests the students are
screaming
That suggests the students are screaming and hollering and having a
good
screaming and hollering and having a good time about a scene from the
Holocaust
good time about a scene from the Holocaust.
Boy
Holocaust. Boy that's a great story
Holocaust. Boy that's a great story.
To
Boy that's a great story. To dissect that and say what is this
all
To dissect that and say what is this all about
To dissect that and say what is this all about.
As
all about. As you said it takes time and for a lot
of
As you said it takes time and for a lot of.
Editors
of. Editors.
It's
Editors. It's not just a question of time it's a
question
It's not just a question of time it's a question of money it's a question of
what
question of money it's a question of what sells
question of money it's a question of what sells.
The
what sells. The story that
what sells. The story that.
Kids
The story that. Kids hollering in a theater
The story that. Kids hollering in a theater.
Making
Kids hollering in a theater. Making a lot of noise
Kids hollering in a theater. Making a lot of noise.
history and. And a lot of folks don't want to go
beyond
And a lot of folks don't want to go beyond that
And a lot of folks don't want to go beyond that.
The
beyond that. The solution
beyond that. The solution.
Let's
The solution. Let's go beyond that the solution goes
beyond
Let's go beyond that the solution goes beyond that how do you go beyond it
Let's go beyond that the solution goes beyond that how do you go beyond it.
I
beyond that how do you go beyond it. I think it's to
We as journalists have to go beyond that
United States has a major turnaround. We've gone from boring rote from the
forty's
We've gone from boring rote from the forty's and fifty's
We've gone from boring rote from the forty's and fifty's.
To
forty's and fifty's. To.
Lucy
To. Lucy goosey
To. Lucy goosey.
In
Lucy goosey. In the sixties and seventies
Lucy goosey. In the sixties and seventies.
And
In the sixties and seventies. And somewhere in the middle one likes
to
And somewhere in the middle one likes to think there's a way of educating
No sense of reading. To use
Once we get. A
this. And
this. And I think we have to
along and we can sit back and say let's bring that along
along and we can sit back and say let's bring that along.
We're
bring that along. We're going to say I'm fifteen I'm
going
We're going to say I'm fifteen I'm going to do
We're going to say I'm fifteen I'm going to do.
I
going to do. I mean we've got a major
going to do. I mean we've got a major.
Which
I mean we've got a major. Which is to write about these things
I mean we've got a major. Which is to write about these things.
And
Which is to write about these things. And if necessary
Which is to write about these things. And if necessary.
Shove
And if necessary. Shove it down their throats
And if necessary. Shove it down their throats.
Now
Shove it down their throats. Now there are a lot of
through. Christian do you think the Elizabeth is
this
Christian do you think the Elizabeth is this is this where it rests is it about
education
this is this where it rests is it about education is about shoving it down
I think the solution to racial tensions is clearly not a legal one
I think the solution to racial tensions is clearly not a legal one.
But
is clearly not a legal one. But an educational one
is clearly not a legal one. But an educational one.
As
But an educational one. As well as
But an educational one. As well as.
With
As well as. With action
As well as. With action.
It's
With action. It's one thing
With action. It's one thing.
To
It's one thing. To understand why is it we come from
different
But then that's not enough. We have to take those different
Find common unity. And then work on things to change
Find common unity. And then work on things to change.
The
And then work on things to change. The economic imbalance in this country
and
The economic imbalance in this country and the inequities
The economic imbalance in this country and the inequities.
Otherwise
and the inequities. Otherwise those tensions will continue
to
Otherwise those tensions will continue to rise
Otherwise those tensions will continue to rise.
We
to rise. We have someone here with a
you're from and ask a question or make your comment
you're from and ask a question or make your comment.
OK
your comment. OK My name is on
your comment. OK My name is on.
So
OK My name is on. So it's a very lovely
OK My name is on. So it's a very lovely.
OK
So it's a very lovely. OK My name is had that Boston
University
OK My name is had that Boston University.
And
University. And I have a question on judgment in
terms
And I have a question on judgment in terms of what racial issues are
involved
terms of what racial issues are involved.
Mr
months ago. That was concerning a white officer
that
That was concerning a white officer that was overly aggressive
That was concerning a white officer that was overly aggressive.
When
that was overly aggressive. When arresting a black criminal
that was overly aggressive. When arresting a black criminal.
And
When arresting a black criminal. And a criminal was handcuffed and
kicked
And a criminal was handcuffed and kicked him to the ground
And a criminal was handcuffed and kicked him to the ground.
Now
kicked him to the ground. Now what
this story for a small broadcast. And when
this story for a small broadcast. And when.
Officer
And when. Officer was tried he was found not
guilty
Officer was tried he was found not guilty.
There
guilty. There were there were no further
details
There were there were no further details on the story
There were there were no further details on the story.
When
details on the story. When I wrote the story I did include
the
When I wrote the story I did include the fact that the officer was white and
black
the fact that the officer was white and black.
And
black. And that
black. And that.
It
And that. It was found that it was not racially
And that. It was found that it was not racially.
They
It was found that it was not racially. They did
It was found that it was not racially. They did.
But
They did. But when I send the story to the anchor
woman
But when I send the story to the anchor woman who is doing the story she
corrected
woman who is doing the story she corrected it and took out all of the
woman who is doing the story she corrected it and took out all of the.
Racial
corrected it and took out all of the. Racial references
corrected it and took out all of the. Racial references.
My
Racial references. My question
Racial references. My question.
Which
My question. Which would be the most in your
My question. Which would be the most in your.
In
Which would be the most in your. In your
Did everyone here hear that question. OK good
Did everyone here hear that question. OK good.
Go
OK good. Go ahead man I don't recall least
So that makes it a little difficult but generally
Because historically there's so much ethnic and racial tension between
getting arrested. But I think it's
getting arrested. But I think it's.
Most
But I think it's. Most of the time
But I think it's. Most of the time.
We
Most of the time. We ought to include
Most of the time. We ought to include.
The
We ought to include. The racial and ethnic
a generalization. I can find
I think that's the case I can tell you stories in one thousand nine hundred
ninety
stories in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven
stories in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven.
Of
ninety seven. Of a tight young guys in the north then
ninety seven. Of a tight young guys in the north then.
Who
Of a tight young guys in the north then. Who still resent Irish
them. So
them. So with it's not something that just
started
So with it's not something that just started.
Racially
started. Racially.
But
Racially. But it is ten years with racial and
ethnic
But it is ten years with racial and ethnic tension
But it is ten years with racial and ethnic tension.
And
ethnic tension. And we have to deal with that
ethnic tension. And we have to deal with that.
Generally
Now the question hi what's your name identify yourself and where you're from
and
identify yourself and where you're from and also what your question or comment
is
and also what your question or comment is.
My
is. My name is made a car star and I'm a
of North Texas. So I wanted to try to
raise a question about. Both the education
Practicing journalists. I am also as an aside
Practicing journalists. I am also as an aside.
Working
I am also as an aside. Working on a year long study on race in
media
Working on a year long study on race in media with the Poynter Institute
Working on a year long study on race in media with the Poynter Institute.
My
media with the Poynter Institute. My question and concern is this
media with the Poynter Institute. My question and concern is this.
When
My question and concern is this. When we talk about covering race
My question and concern is this. When we talk about covering race.
In
When we talk about covering race. In the media
When we talk about covering race. In the media.
Is
In the media. Is this not a time for us and I wanted
to
Is this not a time for us and I wanted to get your view on it too
Is this not a time for us and I wanted to get your view on it too.
As
to get your view on it too. As journalists
to get your view on it too. As journalists.
Evaluate
As journalists. Evaluate and maybe redefine what it
means
Evaluate and maybe redefine what it means to talk about race in a diverse
society
means to talk about race in a diverse society.
My
society. My instinct is that
society. My instinct is that.
Too
My instinct is that. Too many of us and I take a share of
the
Too many of us and I take a share of the blame as being
see what we're teaching students. But my thought is that we are locked
into
But my thought is that we are locked into teaching students
But my thought is that we are locked into teaching students.
A
into teaching students. A dichotomy that
reflect the diverse and multicultural reality
reflect the diverse and multicultural reality.
That
reality. That our students are so question
reality. That our students are so question.
How
That our students are so question. How as
That our students are so question. How as.
Media
Do we cover. Diverse society how do we make choices
on
Diverse society how do we make choices on the front end
Diverse society how do we make choices on the front end.
About
on the front end. About.
When
About. When race is
What race is and. What value it has to stories and I was
wondering
What value it has to stories and I was wondering if each of you could comment
on
wondering if each of you could comment on.
Just
on. Just taking
I don't know which others answer. Well my first answer is I think the
California. The largest and
influential state. In the nation a
two million. That has
reflect what's going on nationally but. If you look at
And if you look at the next twenty years when
blacks as the nation's largest minority. It does suggest that we do need to get
away
It does suggest that we do need to get away from this notion of thinking that
when
away from this notion of thinking that when we invoke the term race we're just
talking
when we invoke the term race we're just talking about blacks you have
writing books nowadays on one race. And crime
writing books nowadays on one race. And crime.
And
And crime. And all the talk about it but I mean I
mean
And all the talk about it but I mean I mean I think that
And all the talk about it but I mean I mean I think that.
There
mean I think that. There are other racial issues relating
to
There are other racial issues relating to cross your suggestion in terms of
what
to cross your suggestion in terms of what you can do at the front and she
suggested
what you can do at the front and she suggested.
Well
suggested. Well I mean I think first of all we
have
Well I mean I think first of all we have to sort of in this new reality and
With regard to the new generation of journalists who are merging nowadays
With regard to the new generation of journalists who are merging nowadays.
So
journalists who are merging nowadays. So so
journalists who are merging nowadays. So so.
no longer talk about race in this in other words the idea being that there
are
other words the idea being that there are the that
other words the idea being that there are the that.
You
are the that. You know the more we talk about
minorities
You know the more we talk about minorities for
minorities with that is something you would change
minorities with that is something you would change.
Now
would change. Now using that word because obviously
no
Now using that word because obviously no longer minorities now majority
Now using that word because obviously no longer minorities now majority.
Well
no longer minorities now majority. Well I think eventually we're going to
have
Well I think eventually we're going to have to move to the I don't know if we
have
have to move to the I don't know if we have to do it tomorrow but certainly
look
have to do it tomorrow but certainly look at a state like Hawaii
have to do it tomorrow but certainly look at a state like Hawaii.
For
has a difference been OK there than it does in Massachusetts how I saw you
nodding
does in Massachusetts how I saw you nodding your head did you did you have
a
nodding your head did you did you have a suggestion based on why she does that
nodding your head did you did you have a suggestion based on why she does that.
I'm
a suggestion based on why she does that. I'm sorry we can't she was talking
about
I'm sorry we can't she was talking about changing Yes You know I heard
what
about changing Yes You know I heard what she said I just don't know to whom
you
what she said I just don't know to whom you were
You know one of the things we've got to do one of the things we're doing is
you've
do one of the things we're doing is you've got to have newsrooms that
reflect
you've got to have newsrooms that reflect the diversity of talking about
you've got to have newsrooms that reflect the diversity of talking about.
affirmative action. Affirmative action as a way of
We've had affirmative action since sixteen hundred something to
We've had affirmative action since sixteen hundred something to.
You
sixteen hundred something to. You know if you were a white
Anglo-Saxon
You know if you were a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant and you could
affirmative action. If you were Irish in Boston in one
thousand
If you were Irish in Boston in one thousand thirty you got in the
utilities
thousand thirty you got in the utilities the fire
That's affirmative action. If you were Jewish in New York City you
got
If you were Jewish in New York City you got the school
action. So there's nothing new about
affirmative
So there's nothing new about affirmative action
So there's nothing new about affirmative action.
And
affirmative action. And I
work for the globe. What I think is a very interesting
diversity
What I think is a very interesting diversity of
And when you get that diversity. The other ones that can come to it is
some
The other ones that can come to it is some of whom may also be from various
And say look we really got to do a story on the bus and such because thus
and
story on the bus and such because thus and such is
a community. Which I
And it's really being talked about out there among the
And it's really being talked about out there among the.
Fill
there among the. Fill in the blanks Vietnamese Russian
Jews
Fill in the blanks Vietnamese Russian Jews.
Laotians
Jews. Laotians I don't care which
use and. It's interesting
use and. It's interesting.
And
It's interesting. And it ought to be talked about we
ought
And it ought to be talked about we ought to write about it
And it ought to be talked about we ought to write about it.
Now
ought to write about it. Now I know that sounds kind of
whole bunch of years. We're doing it now and I think that's
one
We're doing it now and I think that's one of the ways to deal with the
Anybody else have a comment about that if not I'm going to move on you know
well
if not I'm going to move on you know well.
One
well. One of the things I'm
For the next year and a half or so. Is to create a series a radio series
For the next year and a half or so. Is to create a series a radio series.
That
Is to create a series a radio series. That actually looks at race
Is to create a series a radio series. That actually looks at race.
Defining
That actually looks at race. Defining race and
That actually looks at race. Defining race and.
Defining
Defining race and. Defining hate
Defining race and. Defining hate.
But
Defining hate. But also combat it how do you combat
hate
But also combat it how do you combat hate how do you combat racism
But also combat it how do you combat hate how do you combat racism.
Obviously
hate how do you combat racism. Obviously there are some solutions
which
that affirmative action. Has been very successful
that affirmative action. Has been very successful.
A
Has been very successful. A lot of
But I'd like to look at the issue of race
But I'd like to look at the issue of race.
And
race. And let me illustrate that
race. And let me illustrate that.
This
And let me illustrate that. This way
And let me illustrate that. This way.
A
This way. A few weeks ago
This way. A few weeks ago.
A
A few weeks ago. A woman said to me
A few weeks ago. A woman said to me.
A
A woman said to me. A white woman
A woman said to me. A white woman.
Blonde
A white woman. Blonde.
Friend
Blonde. Friend of mine
Blonde. Friend of mine.
She
Friend of mine. She said that this is the most racist
country
She said that this is the most racist country.
In
country. In the world
country. In the world.
And
In the world. And she said
In the world. And she said.
I
And she said. I get on the subway
And she said. I get on the subway.
And
I go to certain areas. And
I went to a bathhouse. And
She wasn't referring to the United States she was talking about
That's where I was several weeks ago. She said and she went to an
That's where I was several weeks ago. She said and she went to an.
And
She said and she went to an. And then
the most racist country in the world. I said
the most racist country in the world. I said.
I
I said. I don't think
racism. I
racism. I said I And I also
that what you say about a country that two or countries with histories of
slavery
two or countries with histories of slavery and colonialism and genocide in
the
slavery and colonialism and genocide in the Holocaust
slavery and colonialism and genocide in the Holocaust.
How
the Holocaust. How do you define those
world and her estimation. She never saw when we got into a
further
She never saw when we got into a further discussion about race
She never saw when we got into a further discussion about race.
The
further discussion about race. The United States is being races
further discussion about race. The United States is being races.
In
The United States is being races. In fact what she said was that race had
And that there was no longer an issue of discrimination
And that there was no longer an issue of discrimination.
In
of discrimination. In the United States
of discrimination. In the United States.
The
racism. By how they're affected by it
racism. By how they're affected by it.
If
By how they're affected by it. If they aren't affected by it then all
of
If they aren't affected by it then all of a sudden there's no
If they aren't affected by it then all of a sudden there's no.
Problem
of a sudden there's no. Problem.
Bob
Problem. Bob Herbert wrote about this a few
weeks
Bob Herbert wrote about this a few weeks ago
Bob Herbert wrote about this a few weeks ago.
June
weeks ago. June twentieth one thousand nine
hundred
June twentieth one thousand nine hundred seven
June twentieth one thousand nine hundred seven.
Where
hundred seven. Where I was quoting Randall Kennedy had
one
Where I was quoting Randall Kennedy had one of the students
Where I was quoting Randall Kennedy had one of the students.
One
one of the students. One of his students said that she did
not
One of his students said that she did not believe there was as much
discrimination
not believe there was as much discrimination.
United
discrimination. United States
discrimination. United States.
As
United States. As there was years ago
United States. As there was years ago.
Well
As there was years ago. Well of course there isn't
As there was years ago. Well of course there isn't.
But
Well of course there isn't. But there is a great deal of
discrimination
But there is a great deal of discrimination and racism in the United
States
discrimination and racism in the United States and I think acknowledgement
discrimination and racism in the United States and I think acknowledgement.
Is
States and I think acknowledgement. Is the first
of coming to defining racism in this country and other
There are ways that we look to the media to
undercover that shows a side that's not divisive
undercover that shows a side that's not divisive.
And
divisive. And I'd like to just give some
One is. For instance
One is. For instance.
attorney. Assistant U.S. Attorney General Civil
Rights
Assistant U.S. Attorney General Civil Rights Division
Assistant U.S. Attorney General Civil Rights Division.
Who
Rights Division. Who has headed in and the office in
California
Who has headed in and the office in California.
And
California. And his the ban
California. And his the ban.
That's
And his the ban. That's something where
together. Similarly it's article
together. Similarly it's article.
Racism
Similarly it's article. Racism nine lives was mentioned in that
article
Racism nine lives was mentioned in that article it mentions a case which
Racism nine lives was mentioned in that article it mentions a case which.
Legal
article it mentions a case which. Legal Defense Fund has been working on
article it mentions a case which. Legal Defense Fund has been working on.
In
Legal Defense Fund has been working on. In which Americans and one Caucasian
Legal Defense Fund has been working on. In which Americans and one Caucasian.
Were
In which Americans and one Caucasian. Were beaten
In which Americans and one Caucasian. Were beaten.
In
Were beaten. In the
restaurant. After they were denied service
restaurant. After they were denied service.
The
After they were denied service. The security guards who were
Unrelenting beating. That left two Americans unconscious
Unrelenting beating. That left two Americans unconscious.
It
That left two Americans unconscious. It was to African-American students who
In New York Times today. The Civil Rights Monitor who
investigated
The Civil Rights Monitor who investigated the incident
The Civil Rights Monitor who investigated the incident.
Made
investigated the incident. Made recommendations in our favor
investigated the incident. Made recommendations in our favor.
But
Made recommendations in our favor. But did not
African-Americans who came to the Asian Americans
African-Americans who came to the Asian Americans.
Aid
Americans. Aid So there are
Different races in good. Limelight and in addition to Mara
falling
Limelight and in addition to Mara falling all those executive director
intervened
falling all those executive director intervened.
On
intervened. On behalf of two Asian Americans
intervened. On behalf of two Asian Americans.
To
On behalf of two Asian Americans. To defend a majority Latino district in
the
To defend a majority Latino district in the twelve congressional district in
New
the twelve congressional district in New York City
the twelve congressional district in New York City.
That's
New York City. That's something where it's a largely
New York City. That's something where it's a largely.
Latino
That's something where it's a largely. Latino district it was challenges being
unconstitutional
Latino district it was challenges being unconstitutional.
How
unconstitutional. How it contains the largest minority
unconstitutional. How it contains the largest minority.
Concentration
How it contains the largest minority. Concentration in that district
How it contains the largest minority. Concentration in that district.
And
Concentration in that district. And it's an
Asians. Trying to be able to stay together to
be
Trying to be able to stay together to be able to elect the candidate of their
choice
be able to elect the candidate of their choice.
And
choice. And I have numerous other
I think the challenges for media. To find those
together where we work together. To
comments before we get to more questions I think we should deal with
them
questions I think we should deal with them one by one first I'll talk about
what
them one by one first I'll talk about what little is about just said you know
you're
what little is about just said you know you're basically saying that we ought
to
you're basically saying that we ought to be looking for
Of harmony. And that it's our job then to
those noise that's our job are we social sciences or we journals in other
words
social sciences or we journals in other words or some bits of information that
you
words or some bits of information that you talk about here
words or some bits of information that you talk about here.
That
you talk about here. That are questionable
you talk about here. That are questionable.
When
That are questionable. When it comes to being newsworthy or
whether
When it comes to being newsworthy or whether they're whether they are the
because you've got that minute thirty to the fill or that how many
doable and what you suggest. There is because first of all for
another then it's obviously. If we find a story that we don't need
another then it's obviously. If we find a story that we don't need.
So
If we find a story that we don't need. So you're saying that one should seek
out
So you're saying that one should seek out stories
So you're saying that one should seek out stories.
When
out stories. When you're saying we should seek out
stories
When you're saying we should seek out stories of harmony I'm sort of the time
and
stories of harmony I'm sort of the time and I think if we
reality we have to reflect the fact that folks get along Also I don't
that said. Chinese American gentleman woke
morning what the work came home just as wife
I don't think that's a story but if the story is the Chinese American
I don't think that's a story but if the story is the Chinese American.
With an African American I think that's. OK
With an African American I think that's. OK.
What
OK. What Phil talked about was a very
different
What Phil talked about was a very different.
Issue
different. Issue which is talking about
for many years there were two stories of brought this
King beating one after the Rodney King beating
I was in a newsroom a my on my office was in an office with five other
But the majority of whom were white. I was one of the ethnic
included said. I think maybe the
They were talking about the immediate reaction right after the beating
They were talking about the immediate reaction right after the beating.
OK
reaction right after the beating. OK.
Later
OK. Later on it was
In a court of law. That the
beat. Rodney King to that extent
beat. Rodney King to that extent.
Or
Rodney King to that extent. Or at all but
Rodney King to that extent. Or at all but.
But
Or at all but. But later on there was another story I
did
But later on there was another story I did a story in Los Angeles also about
in
did a story in Los Angeles also about in law and the Long Beach Police
Also had an issue of brutality. And the interesting thing was you would
take
And the interesting thing was you would take one
and. You
and. You know somebody with the
African-American
You know somebody with the African-American or the Asian American
or
African-American or the Asian American or whatever organization on the other
side
or whatever organization on the other side.
And
side. And you would show and you would go
down
And you would show and you would go down and you would ask a question
Instance as I did and. To a tee
Instance as I did and. To a tee.
Each
To a tee. Each one would
Search. Stance differently
Search. Stance differently.
Saying
Stance differently. Saying that the other and it's about a
matter
Saying that the other and it's about a matter and that what we're talking
about
matter and that what we're talking about the issue
That is a serious issue because when you talk about the
there we cover we're talking about our news directors
there we cover we're talking about our news directors.
We're
news directors. We're talking about our
talking about our editors we're talking about ourselves
talking about our editors we're talking about ourselves.
How
about ourselves. How do we solve this issue is it
about ourselves. How do we solve this issue is it.
Only
How do we solve this issue is it. Only resolved by making sure we have
enough
that. Always will solve the
issue in terms of whether this is a story or not how do we
limits that we don't have quite the same
have to not Alan fight for time for the kind of stories you want to cover I
think
kind of stories you want to cover I think you indicated that or how
I'm a cranky old lady let me do what I want to do but you know there are
story you cover racial race. Do you think this
story. Has to in the in the mail you have
stories
Has to in the in the mail you have stories that are out there fight for
time
stories that are out there fight for time.
Fight
time. Fight for
No I would fight as much or is little as any other story
No I would fight as much or is little as any other story.
But
as any other story. But there are a lot of good stories in
the
I mean there are a lot of good stories that aren't about race and class and
ethnicity
that aren't about race and class and ethnicity.
But
ethnicity. But also have to fight for
time so next that leads us into a slightly different direction
time so next that leads us into a slightly different direction.
Thank
slightly different direction. Thank you
slightly different direction. Thank you.
Let's
Thank you. Let's introduce yourself
Thank you. Let's introduce yourself.
Tell
Let's introduce yourself. Tell us where you're from and what your
question
Tell us where you're from and what your question or comment
Tell us where you're from and what your question or comment.
I
question or comment. I my name is Eunice and I just recently
graduated
I my name is Eunice and I just recently graduated from university
I my name is Eunice and I just recently graduated from university.
And
graduated from university. And now I'm working as a writer in
general
And now I'm working as a writer in general Simon
twenty one in Rockville Maryland. I guess my question is well before I
asked
I guess my question is well before I asked my question
I guess my question is well before I asked my question.
I
asked my question. I guess
asked my question. I guess.
My
I guess. My thought is that
I guess. My thought is that.
Media
My thought is that. Media coverage of racial relations
My thought is that. Media coverage of racial relations.
Tend
Media coverage of racial relations. Tend to tends to revolve around black
and
Tend to tends to revolve around black and white
Tend to tends to revolve around black and white.
Issues
and white. Issues.
And
Issues. And it seems like when there's a
controversy
And it seems like when there's a controversy or some kind of finite or
And it seems like when there's a controversy or some kind of finite or.
When
controversy or some kind of finite or. When something
I mean it just seems like the news media is just drawn to it like a magnet
I mean it just seems like the news media is just drawn to it like a magnet.
Whereas
media is just drawn to it like a magnet. Whereas.
When
Whereas. When other Asians when other ethnic
racial conflict. It's not covered
racial conflict. It's not covered.
On
It's not covered. On just a follow
saying Elizabethtown that incident at Denny's that
And our. It was a breaking story that day
And our. It was a breaking story that day.
Our
It was a breaking story that day. Our school news
It was a breaking story that day. Our school news.
Newscast
Our school news. Newscast covered it
Our school news. Newscast covered it.
Our
Newscast covered it. Our school
Newscast covered it. Our school.
Our
Our school. Our daily school
But it wasn't on the evening news. That night
But it wasn't on the evening news. That night.
It
That night. It wasn't on the
morning. The when it showed
this out. Let's don't sue me
this out. Let's don't sue me.
Basically
Let's don't sue me. Basically.
And
Basically. And when I talked
Basically. And when I talked.
I
And when I talked. I talked I talked to one of the anchors
And when I talked. I talked I talked to one of the anchors.
Of
I talked I talked to one of the anchors. Of.
It
And I talked to a weekend anchor at the C.B.S. affiliate there he's a friend of
mine
C.B.S. affiliate there he's a friend of mine.
And
mine. And he didn't even know that it
And so I guess my question is how do we get
And so I guess my question is how do we get.
News
get. News organizations and just
get. News organizations and just.
US
News organizations and just. US journalists
News organizations and just. US journalists.
In
US journalists. In general more aware that race is not
just
In general more aware that race is not just about black and white I mean it's
a
just about black and white I mean it's a huge
in dealing with this girl is a bit like talked about this a little while
earlier
talked about this a little while earlier there actually is a
today's New York Times that talks about a
Story. But
Story. But.
Elizabeth
But. Elizabeth.
Told
Elizabeth. Told me that it was called in
Elizabeth. Told me that it was called in.
from
Told me that it was called in. from Conference Elizabeth
Yet. It
Yet. It was all just thirteen
Yet. It was all just thirteen.
Late
It was all just thirteen. Late afternoon
It was all just thirteen. Late afternoon.
The
Late afternoon. The civil rights monitors
Late afternoon. The civil rights monitors.
Decision
The civil rights monitors. Decision was faxed to our office
The civil rights monitors. Decision was faxed to our office.
I
Decision was faxed to our office. I did do a
New York Times and Washington Post and others
New York Times and Washington Post and others.
But
others. But it wasn't
And she made contact with an Asian American
New York Times and said you should cover this
New York Times and said you should cover this.
And
cover this. And so this was not
The day after the decision came down it was boarded two days after the decision
came
was boarded two days after the decision came down
was boarded two days after the decision came down.
Because
came down. Because of a call made by so many
American
who was attending this conference here. And called it in
who was attending this conference here. And called it in.
So
And called it in. So.
I
So. I mean it goes to show
So. I mean it goes to show.
Why
I mean it goes to show. Why it's
who care about this issue. And it is
have been rising against Asian Americans at a time when national crime
is
Americans at a time when national crime is down
Americans at a time when national crime is down.
And
is down. And so I think
of this and. You know in
of this and. You know in.
I
You know in. I you know
You know in. I you know.
We
I you know. We all carry certain burdens but
I you know. We all carry certain burdens but.
I
We all carry certain burdens but. I really think
We all carry certain burdens but. I really think.
Since
limited that. Particularly with Asian Americans
because
Particularly with Asian Americans because it's so seldom that we're
covered
because it's so seldom that we're covered.
That
From the media. I mean when you have Senator D'Amato
mocking
I mean when you have Senator D'Amato mocking Judge Ito in Asian sounding
accent
mocking Judge Ito in Asian sounding accent when he's a third generation
When you have Senator Brownback mocking Hong
When you have Senator Brownback mocking Hong.
And
Hong. And the Chinese an accent
Hong. And the Chinese an accent.
You
And the Chinese an accent. You have to wonder
And the Chinese an accent. You have to wonder.
You
You have to wonder. You know where
Are so-called educated or not educated learn about us
Are so-called educated or not educated learn about us.
And
learn about us. And so for those of us
learn about us. And so for those of us.
Entering
And so for those of us. Entering this field
And so for those of us. Entering this field.
You
Entering this field. You know that from established
like and to journalists. We do take a burden on and it's an
got Gerald and also Alan but Alan to Kate first let me let him go first or
got Gerald and also Alan but Alan to Kate first let me let him go first or.
No
Kate first let me let him go first or. No I don't want to go here to Carol go
for
No I don't want to go here to Carol go for.
I
for. I agree with the thrust of what the
questioner
I agree with the thrust of what the questioner is suggesting and of course
President
questioner is suggesting and of course President Clinton's new commission on
race
President Clinton's new commission on race.
Is
race. Is now
what extent will black white issues be the focus and to what extent that will
not
the focus and to what extent that will not be the focus
the focus and to what extent that will not be the focus.
Personally
not be the focus. Personally I think there has to be an
certainly if you look at history United States the initial
certainly if you look at history United States the initial.
Similarly I think we have to broaden the
Beyond the domestic to the global because history suggests that when
Beyond the domestic to the global because history suggests that when.
U.S.
because history suggests that when. U.S. has
relations with certain Asian nations. Then
relations with certain Asian nations. Then.
Asian
Then. Asian Americans tend to be targeted and
you
Asian Americans tend to be targeted and you need only look at what
during World War two when there was the war with
Coast. About seven or eight years ago
Coast. About seven or eight years ago.
A
About seven or eight years ago. A bestseller in the States was a book
called
A bestseller in the States was a book called the coming war with
Now a best seller is called the coming conflict with China
Now a best seller is called the coming conflict with China.
Given
conflict with China. Given such
way the wind is blowing. It seems to me that it's going to be
going to feel the cold wind of racism as a result of these global
and that's why we have to of course talk about the
within that context. It seems to me that if you're going to
have
It seems to me that if you're going to have a commission on bigotry in the
You would look at local questions like how Turks are treated in Germany and
how
how Turks are treated in Germany and how North Africans are treated in
France
how North Africans are treated in France.
But
France. But at the same time you recognize the
bigotry
But at the same time you recognize the bigotry in Western
by an overriding at the summit of them. Similarly it seems to me that if you
look
Similarly it seems to me that if you look at
Similarly it seems to me that if you look at.
Bigotry
look at. Bigotry in United States
look at. Bigotry in United States.
You
Bigotry in United States. You have to look
Bigotry in United States. You have to look.
Number
You have to look. Number one at the anti-black racism
which
Number one at the anti-black racism which is driving a lot of the overall
bigotry
which is driving a lot of the overall bigotry of the number to look at other
questions
bigotry of the number to look at other questions which are being an animated
and
questions which are being an animated and driven as well by then anti-black
racism
and driven as well by then anti-black racism.
You
racism. You know
racism. You know.
I
You know. I would want to
In terms of dealing with the media. Media folk
In terms of dealing with the media. Media folk.
Even
about may not have that many contacts to get a whole bunch of new
call Way to go. Advice
call Way to go. Advice.
Advocacy
in wastebaskets as do faxes. But to call
in wastebaskets as do faxes. But to call.
A
Who might be covering those issues and to say look I'm so and so we
so many so and so. And we want to
We want our name on your rolodex. And for
It's like anything else it's the old squeaky wheel getting the grease cliche
that
squeaky wheel getting the grease cliche that it's been ill but it's true
squeaky wheel getting the grease cliche that it's been ill but it's true.
It
that it's been ill but it's true. It shouldn't have to be that way in a
fair
It shouldn't have to be that way in a fair world a
his or her desk and say. I must go out and cover the Albanians a
bubbly
I must go out and cover the Albanians a bubbly and community
I must go out and cover the Albanians a bubbly and community.
Because
bubbly and community. Because I know that's where I should be
bubbly and community. Because I know that's where I should be.
But
Because I know that's where I should be. But he's not going to do it
Because I know that's where I should be. But he's not going to do it.
Until
But he's not going to do it. Until that
But be nice to Mackay Elizabeth go ahead and let me let me go also
mentioned
ahead and let me let me go also mentioned.
Each
mentioned. Each year starting last year they
Pointer
Each year starting last year they Pointer Institute I don't know how many
of
Pointer Institute I don't know how many of you are familiar with it
Pointer Institute I don't know how many of you are familiar with it.
In
It's an institute of journalism the Pointer Institute offers a seminar
It's an institute of journalism the Pointer Institute offers a seminar.
The
Pointer Institute offers a seminar. The second seminars coming
I was at the first last year which included
I was at the first last year which included.
African-Americans
included. African-Americans.
Asian
African-Americans. Asian Americans
And it's called covering race. In your community
And it's called covering race. In your community.
I
In your community. I swear by it was an absolutely
brilliant
I swear by it was an absolutely brilliant.
Seminar
brilliant. Seminar.
In
Seminar. In terms of addressing this issue
Seminar. In terms of addressing this issue.
And
In terms of addressing this issue. And so if any of you would like to
Please get in touch with the Poynter Institute
Please get in touch with the Poynter Institute.
Or
Institute. Or you can
your question. Is brought
Black voters in the United States. And where the Asian American
well Is growing dramatically. And I think as a result
well Is growing dramatically. And I think as a result.
Journalists
And I think as a result. Journalists.
It's
Journalists. It's incumbent
of these communities. With this
Scandal. The D.N.C.
Scandal. The D.N.C..
D.N.C.
The D.N.C.. D.N.C. scandal
The D.N.C.. D.N.C. scandal.
One
D.N.C. scandal. One of the things that
course was that. There was always a reference to Asians
course was that. There was always a reference to Asians.
And
There was always a reference to Asians. And never diffusion of Asian Pacific or
Asian
And never diffusion of Asian Pacific or Asian Americans or
And never diffusion of Asian Pacific or Asian Americans or.
It
Asian Americans or. It was just a question of Asians
Asian Americans or. It was just a question of Asians.
And
It was just a question of Asians. And I think that
about issues of race. They don't break things down
about issues of race. They don't break things down.
We
They don't break things down. We are obviously some
good job. Quite a few did not
good job. Quite a few did not.
I'm
Quite a few did not. I'm afraid
Quite a few did not. I'm afraid.
But
I'm afraid. But it's
this week they ran a series of which you may have heard on
In the United States in which they addressed the
In a very. I think a very good way to communities
In a very. I think a very good way to communities.
And
Which is that there is increased tension and tension between
economics. Because
Angeles and. Durham North Carolina
Angeles and. Durham North Carolina.
And
Durham North Carolina. And I think that it's because again
it's
That they aren't monolithic. That they are in fact very
yet we want to touch on that. More than
yet we want to touch on that. More than.
We
More than. We need to learn to define our
More than. We need to learn to define our.
Define
We need to learn to define our. Define us
We need to learn to define our. Define us.
Either
Define us. Either.
Were
minorities and we need to define ourselves we the foreigners model
minorities
ourselves we the foreigners model minorities but never is
ourselves we the foreigners model minorities but never is.
Asian
minorities but never is. Asian Americans
minorities but never is. Asian Americans.
And
Asian Americans. And so those
Asian Americans. And so those.
Common
And so those. Common situations where they could
And so those. Common situations where they could.
You
Common situations where they could. You know use an Asian American to tell
a
You know use an Asian American to tell a story
You know use an Asian American to tell a story.
And
a story. And those are
We need to continually send. Press releases and make the contacts
We need to continually send. Press releases and make the contacts.
You
Press releases and make the contacts. You know with
community. You've been very
What's your name. And where you from and what's your
question
And where you from and what's your question.
My
question. My name is Donald Young and I'm from a
not
My name is Donald Young and I'm from a not.
And
not. And were funded by C.P.B. to
seen it. But it's an eighty minute
And it. Dealt with the Castle Market issue for
about
Dealt with the Castle Market issue for about forty minutes so
Dealt with the Castle Market issue for about forty minutes so.
In
about forty minutes so. In some
goes further into talking to students and
goes further into talking to students and.
How
and. How Governor Wilson came to the school
to
How Governor Wilson came to the school to address it with Steven
how kids felt that there was a real mis use of the whole
You see the. Conflicts of the students go through
and
Conflicts of the students go through and the teachers go through and
Conflicts of the students go through and the teachers go through and.
It
and the teachers go through and. It wasn't just seeing how these kids
and the teachers go through and. It wasn't just seeing how these kids.
Acted
It wasn't just seeing how these kids. Acted it
It wasn't just seeing how these kids. Acted it.
It
Acted it. It went into further
What they did. To address how the media
What they did. To address how the media.
Really
To address how the media. Really affected their lives
To address how the media. Really affected their lives.
And
Really affected their lives. And how they were going to work through
it
And how they were going to work through it so I just kind of wanted to clarify
that
it so I just kind of wanted to clarify that I thank you very much I doing so
obviously
that I thank you very much I doing so obviously we need to watch the entire
What your question young. lady Hi My name is Paula Peters
What your question young. lady Hi My name is Paula Peters.
I'm
lady Hi My name is Paula Peters. I'm a
and I'm also a member of the Native American Journalists Association and
and I'm also a member of the Native American Journalists Association and.
I'm
Two American journalists working in mainstream journalism in New England
Two American journalists working in mainstream journalism in New England.
That
mainstream journalism in New England. That I know of there may be others that
wish
That I know of there may be others that wish to contact me
That I know of there may be others that wish to contact me.
It's
wish to contact me. It's hard holding a flag by myself
wish to contact me. It's hard holding a flag by myself.
What
It's hard holding a flag by myself. What would you recommend that it is two
What would you recommend it we do to encourage more native
To get into journalism. And
To get into journalism. And.
Is
And. Is there anything that you all can do
And. Is there anything that you all can do.
Other
Is there anything that you all can do. Other journalists can do another
journalism
Other journalists can do another journalism organizations I know that
here
journalism organizations I know that here in this area we've been very well
connected
here in this area we've been very well connected.
Felt
connected. Felt very welcomed by the and
connected. Felt very welcomed by the and.
And
for that. But it's been a difficult struggle
for that. But it's been a difficult struggle.
I
But it's been a difficult struggle. I know that in the last five years that
I've
I know that in the last five years that I've worked for the
though. It's been one of the
diversity at work with real clarity. Because I am a member of the want to
know
Because I am a member of the want to know it tried and
Because I am a member of the want to know it tried and.
I
know it tried and. I came from a tribe
know it tried and. I came from a tribe.
That
I came from a tribe. That totally mistrusted the media
I came from a tribe. That totally mistrusted the media.
And
That totally mistrusted the media. And that's one of our hurdles I would
have
And that's one of our hurdles I would have to admit that right
media. Because they have been mistreated by
the
Because they have been mistreated by the media for so many years
Because they have been mistreated by the media for so many years.
And
the media for so many years. And I'm sure everyone else's
that too. But as where
that too. But as where.
You
But as where. You know vying for
recognized in the race. Word
recognized in the race. Word.
I
Word. I think Native
Have a very difficult struggle what can we do about that
Have a very difficult struggle what can we do about that.
What
we do about that. What you're talking about is getting
access
What you're talking about is getting access and what you're also asking is
how
access and what you're also asking is how do we get more because this is
directly
how do we get more because this is directly related if we say that
how do we get more because this is directly related if we say that.
It's
directly related if we say that. It's a matter that there's a serious
what she's talking about as a serious issue how do we get
a sense of trust. Mistrust
a sense of trust. Mistrust.
So
Mistrust. So that they can cross that boundary
Mistrust. So that they can cross that boundary.
And
So that they can cross that boundary. And go into the
the understanding within. You know how do we get
this organization. I mean
Organization. Is all about and as we try to do in
terms
Is all about and as we try to do in terms of
Is all about and as we try to do in terms of.
What
terms of. What your answer those questions
anybody
What your answer those questions anybody have an answer you had felt
What your answer those questions anybody have an answer you had felt.
Well
anybody have an answer you had felt. Well.
I'm
Well. I'm glad you raised that actually
because
I'm glad you raised that actually because I'm losing a chance
I'm glad you raised that actually because I'm losing a chance.
Because
because I'm losing a chance. Because a few years ago I actually had
a
Because a few years ago I actually had a chance to talk with
Because a few years ago I actually had a chance to talk with.
Dennis
a chance to talk with. Dennis Banks
a chance to talk with. Dennis Banks.
Who
Dennis Banks. Who was head of the American Indian
Movement
Who was head of the American Indian Movement.
When
Movement. When we sat down for a while out in
California
When we sat down for a while out in California we talked about
When we sat down for a while out in California we talked about.
Access
California we talked about. Access to information
California we talked about. Access to information.
And
Access to information. And what I think about access I think
about
And what I think about access I think about why I joined the ranks of
journalists
about why I joined the ranks of journalists.
I
journalists. I come from a background where
journalists. I come from a background where.
You
I come from a background where. You know Detroit
I come from a background where. You know Detroit.
Came
You know Detroit. Came from a background where there was
a
Came from a background where there was a lot of anger
Came from a background where there was a lot of anger.
And
a lot of anger. And a very bad neighborhood and
a lot of anger. And a very bad neighborhood and.
You
And a very bad neighborhood and. You know in a lot of
whole nine yards. And what I saw of journalism as
whole nine yards. And what I saw of journalism as.
And
And what I saw of journalism as. And I still see it as a vehicle
And what I saw of journalism as. And I still see it as a vehicle.
To
And I still see it as a vehicle. To information
And I still see it as a vehicle. To information.
It's
To information. It's a vehicle to getting information
out
It's a vehicle to getting information out there to a general
needs to hear these stories. There are some stories I consider
strangely
In Martha's Vineyard. There are some
Sometimes the only way they're going to get out is if you bring those out as
you
get out is if you bring those out as you know
get out is if you bring those out as you know.
And
you know. And I think what has to be brought to
the
And I think what has to be brought to the attention of
And I think what has to be brought to the attention of.
Young
the attention of. Young native
African-Americans. Asian Americans
get information out there. Is that this can
Not just not just frame of reference that
Columnists do that but journalists can basically get information out there
that
basically get information out there that might be office
basically get information out there that might be office.
That
that might be office. That might not come to the forefront
and
That might not come to the forefront and.
I
and. I think the way to do it is just be
active
I think the way to do it is just be active in
I think the way to do it is just be active in.
Recruitment
active in. Recruitment.
If
Recruitment. If it's one on one
Recruitment. If it's one on one.
That's fine. However it's most
That's fine. However it's most.
Effective
However it's most. Effective of course
However it's most. Effective of course.
Is
Effective of course. Is if we can do it as a
I mean you have a lot of journalism students here
I mean you have a lot of journalism students here.
Of
students here. Of Syracuse Berkeley
students here. Of Syracuse Berkeley.
Other
Columbia. And I think that we have to have more
and
And I think that we have to have more and more students getting involved in
this
But they have to really. They have to see it as a
that is worthy. I mean a lot of lawyers these days no
longer
I mean a lot of lawyers these days no longer see their
for good reason. A lot of doctors
for good reason. A lot of doctors.
These
A lot of doctors. These days you know on the trains on
this
A lot of a lot of doctors you know I started to feel the same way because
the
started to feel the same way because the.
This
the. This whole abandonment of mission
the. This whole abandonment of mission.
And
This whole abandonment of mission. And I think that we have to see that
you
And I think that we have to see that you know like that there is a mission
that
you know like that there is a mission that we have there
you know like that there is a mission that we have there.
And
that we have there. And we have to act according to that
mission
And we have to act according to that mission be consistent with that mission
And we have to act according to that mission be consistent with that mission.
Ask
mission be consistent with that mission. Ask a question
mission be consistent with that mission. Ask a question.
Did
Ask a question. Did you
Ask a question. Did you.
Yes
Did you. Yes.
Did
Yes. Did you ever take a
From a high school maybe. Over to the
Just to see if they had any interest in it or any questions about what was
going
it or any questions about what was going on
it or any questions about what was going on.
Yes
going on. Yes I did also teach Indian Education
at
Yes I did also teach Indian Education at the high school
Yes I did also teach Indian Education at the high school.
And
at the high school. And I have been actively trying to
recruit
And I have been actively trying to recruit from that level
And I have been actively trying to recruit from that level.
I
recruit from that level. I have two students from my
One is actually an African-American student who wanted to
eager and. And he
eager and. And he.
And
And he. And this isn't just for journalism it's
an
And this isn't just for journalism it's an education
careers for all of the. The native students
careers for all of the. The native students.
And
The native students. And then there's one native that wants
to
And then there's one native that wants to get into journalism but he's not a
want
to get into journalism but he's not a want to know if he's from a Western
tribe
want to know if he's from a Western tribe.
So
tribe. So I haven't had any success have been
at
So I haven't had any success have been at this for two years I haven't had
success
at this for two years I haven't had success within my
at this for two years I haven't had success within my.
My
success within my. My own tribe of doing that and I know
it's
My own tribe of doing that and I know it's.
It's
it's. It's going to be our human resources
are
It's going to be our human resources are kind of scarce so it's going to
take
are kind of scarce so it's going to take a while but I think that
eventually
take a while but I think that eventually I'll get someone that will
be
eventually I'll get someone that will be interested in it and
eventually I'll get someone that will be interested in it and.
I
be interested in it and. I was reminded by
be interested in it and. I was reminded by.
What
I was reminded by. What you were saying that the one thing
I
What you were saying that the one thing I had the ears of so many other
journalists
I had the ears of so many other journalists is to remember that
I had the ears of so many other journalists is to remember that.
Native
journalists is to remember that. Native Americans are more than just
casinos
Native Americans are more than just casinos and
Or if we are trying to get a casino and make a lot of money
Or if we are trying to get a casino and make a lot of money.
And
make a lot of money. And there's so much more to us now
make a lot of money. And there's so much more to us now.
Or
And there's so much more to us now. Or if there was a fight between among
two
Or if there was a fight between among two factions of Cherokees two days ago
well
two factions of Cherokees two days ago well.
That's
well. That's another way of getting into the
And you're right and. You see it
And you're right and. You see it.
On
You see it. On scene on herd on worried about
You see it. On scene on herd on worried about.
And
On scene on herd on worried about. And it's got to be squeaky again
On scene on herd on worried about. And it's got to be squeaky again.
Somebody
And it's got to be squeaky again. Somebody has got to be able to make
those
Somebody has got to be able to make those calls
Somebody has got to be able to make those calls.
Not
those calls. Not just to the globe not just the way
you
Not just to the globe not just the way you work and say look we exist
Not just to the globe not just the way you work and say look we exist.
There
you work and say look we exist. There are legitimate stories out here
you work and say look we exist. There are legitimate stories out here.
And
There are legitimate stories out here. And you've got to cover us
There are legitimate stories out here. And you've got to cover us.
It's
And you've got to cover us. It's got to be nagging
And you've got to cover us. It's got to be nagging.
And
It's got to be nagging. And it gets frustrating I did a
of a column the other day this isn't on the when they give Americans but it may
be
the when they give Americans but it may be that
column. I
column. I was saying that I'm very angry and
tired
I was saying that I'm very angry and tired of reading so every year three
four
tired of reading so every year three four stories about
Latino voters. And when a ready are we going to get a
good
And when a ready are we going to get a good Latino candidate who by him or
herself
good Latino candidate who by him or herself will automatically
voters and will get somebody in office. I got a
Latinos he's not been here for me on a lot of young Latinos
Latinos he's not been here for me on a lot of young Latinos.
Place
lot of young Latinos. Place they couldn't agree with you more
lot of young Latinos. Place they couldn't agree with you more.
I'm
Place they couldn't agree with you more. I'm still waiting for a
they don't know. And I think the idea that the fact that
there
And I think the idea that the fact that there were no
And if I don't hear from Native Americans
And if I don't hear from Native Americans.
I'm
Americans. I'm not going to
of attention because I'm not interested. But I got to tell you
of attention because I'm not interested. But I got to tell you.
I
But I got to tell you. I got as I'm sure you do
But I got to tell you. I got as I'm sure you do.
One
I got as I'm sure you do. One hundred some stories in that Q I
haven't
One hundred some stories in that Q I haven't got to yet
One hundred some stories in that Q I haven't got to yet.
Yeah
haven't got to yet. Yeah.
That's
Yeah. That's right
Yeah. That's right.
Thank
That's right. Thank you for that comment and for that
question
Thank you for that comment and for that question.
Hi
question. Hi What's your name where you're from
and
Hi What's your name where you're from and what your question or comment and
Hi What's your name where you're from and what your question or comment and.
My
and what your question or comment and. My name is Jamie
and what your question or comment and. My name is Jamie.
And
My name is Jamie. And I come from the University of
California
And I come from the University of California San Diego
And I come from the University of California San Diego.
And
California San Diego. And I have a two
As a news gatherer How do you break down the barriers
As a news gatherer How do you break down the barriers.
For
Stance. You know when you have Mexican
When you have a Kwanzaa celebration. And you're African
How do you break down those barriers and how do you
How do you break down those barriers and how do you.
You
and how do you. You know how do you deal with these
racial
You know how do you deal with these racial issues
You know how do you deal with these racial issues.
Do
racial issues. Do they lose their credibility if it's
said
Do they lose their credibility if it's said issue and you have an Asian
of when you're a news director or when your editor says go cover story the
you're
your editor says go cover story the you're an understand this better than
anybody
you're an understand this better than anybody else
you're an understand this better than anybody else.
What
anybody else. What should your
you to always be sent to those stories that you're saying yes
you to always be sent to those stories that you're saying yes.
OK
that you're saying yes. OK what's the answer here because and
as
OK what's the answer here because and as an ally I know you have a
commonality
as an ally I know you have a commonality.
Well
commonality. Well.
I
Well. I was thinking the same question
Well. I was thinking the same question.
When
I was thinking the same question. When Ann was mentioning what
after the beating of Rodney King right. And how some of the nomine already
journalists
And how some of the nomine already journalists.
story and I think that oftentimes what we try to do
story and I think that oftentimes what we try to do.
We
we try to do. We oftentimes try to use race or
a story but they thought it was clear that it was not a story about a man
unjustly
that it was not a story about a man unjustly beaten
that it was not a story about a man unjustly beaten.
Go
unjustly beaten. Go ahead
unjustly beaten. Go ahead.
OK
Go ahead. OK.
I
OK. I think oftentimes what
And I understand why we oftentimes to try to use race or ethnicity as a
for sensitivity. And a
sometimes it does work. But sometimes it doesn't and I'm sure
of
But sometimes it doesn't and I'm sure of Justice Clarence Thomas we're
sitting
of Justice Clarence Thomas we're sitting here
of Justice Clarence Thomas we're sitting here.
He
sitting here. He would rail mightily against the idea
that
He would rail mightily against the idea that just because he was Mellon and
rich
that just because he was Mellon and rich that he had a certain set of
beliefs
rich that he had a certain set of beliefs or
rich that he had a certain set of beliefs or.
A
beliefs or. A certain kind of outlook on life
beliefs or. A certain kind of outlook on life.
And
A certain kind of outlook on life. And so I think increasingly
A certain kind of outlook on life. And so I think increasingly.
As
And so I think increasingly. As the country turned to the right and
as
As the country turned to the right and as many
it's going to be much more difficult to use race and ethnicity as
it's going to be much more difficult to use race and ethnicity as.
As
use race and ethnicity as. As a
sensitivity in the kind of intellect that we all should have
sensitivity in the kind of intellect that we all should have.
And
that we all should have. And I think that the easy question of
course
And I think that the easy question of course is to say education just as we
were
course is to say education just as we were talking about the video about the
reaction
were talking about the video about the reaction the Schindler's List will we
need
reaction the Schindler's List will we need more education well
reaction the Schindler's List will we need more education well.
I
need more education well. I agree but sometimes in my bleaker
need more education well. I agree but sometimes in my bleaker.
And
I agree but sometimes in my bleaker. And more
about that because all you have to do is look at the economy
about that because all you have to do is look at the economy.
And
is look at the economy. And recognize that there is a number of
low
And recognize that there is a number of low wage jobs which
folks feel that you don't really need a good education for
folks feel that you don't really need a good education for.
Which
good education for. Which is why the L A Times story a few
weeks
Which is why the L A Times story a few weeks ago about how in the L.A. Unified
School
weeks ago about how in the L.A. Unified School District
weeks ago about how in the L.A. Unified School District.
You
School District. You have a number of kids who don't
even
You have a number of kids who don't even have adequate textbooks
You have a number of kids who don't even have adequate textbooks.
For
situation where jobs are. So all I can say is go back to what
Alan
So all I can say is go back to what Alan was just a few moments ago
alternately
Alan was just a few moments ago alternately.
It
alternately. It comes back to
struggle. And lobbying and
things of that sort. More than anything else
things of that sort. More than anything else.
You
More than anything else. You know Elizabeth this is a very
interesting
You know Elizabeth this is a very interesting question for you to answer
because
interesting question for you to answer because you know you were talking about
how
because you know you were talking about how there needs to be more diversity in
the
how there needs to be more diversity in the NEWSROOM
how there needs to be more diversity in the NEWSROOM.
So
the NEWSROOM. So that there is a greater
understanding
So that there is a greater understanding of the stories that they
get
understanding of the stories that they get covered
understanding of the stories that they get covered.
What
get covered. What she is saying why is why should we
be
stories that are clearly. Connected to maybe our ancestry
stories that are clearly. Connected to maybe our ancestry.
So
Connected to maybe our ancestry. So how do you
Five. Could get to the
so many that. You know and that they would constantly
need
You know and that they would constantly need to assign someone
You know and that they would constantly need to assign someone.
To
need to assign someone. To those issues I think we're there yet
but
To those issues I think we're there yet but.
I
but. I mean I guess
but. I mean I guess.
I
I mean I guess. I found the
Want so much. To be able to
I would take that. And film
I would take that. And film.
That
And film. That event or
And film. That event or.
On they had a vent. From your
message out. If it's covering Chinese New Year
message out. If it's covering Chinese New Year.
What
If it's covering Chinese New Year. What is it that you can do to cover
they
What is it that you can do to cover they had a vent to send a
message out that you would like to. You're given a lot of leeway to cover
the
You're given a lot of leeway to cover the event
You're given a lot of leeway to cover the event.
Use
the event. Use it to your advantage
the event. Use it to your advantage.
Coverage
Use it to your advantage. Coverage in a way that you feel that
Use it to your advantage. Coverage in a way that you feel that.
Messages
Coverage in a way that you feel that. Messages about the community are not
getting
Messages about the community are not getting out
Messages about the community are not getting out.
So
getting out. So I look at it is a unique
to do something with it so. I don't
to do something with it so. I don't.
I
I don't. I don't I don't view it as
holing. A
holing. A lot of what it is do I mean she's not
alone
A lot of what it is do I mean she's not alone I've heard this from black
editor's bias. The basic sense that you know nobody
else
The basic sense that you know nobody else really want to cover the story
anyway
else really want to cover the story anyway and you know this
have to do a better job. So I mean but
have to do a better job. So I mean but.
So
So I mean but. So there's an issue that she's raising
you
So there's an issue that she's raising you make a very good
Use your minutes thirty or. You know how many inches of column
you can. But doesn't she also have a
Oh yeah that's this is a. This is an awful funny controversy
Oh yeah that's this is a. This is an awful funny controversy.
You've
This is an awful funny controversy. You've got understand the historic
roots
You've got understand the historic roots of this law if I got a minute
You've got understand the historic roots of this law if I got a minute.
Please
roots of this law if I got a minute. Please stay here a second nineteen on
the
Please stay here a second nineteen on the way we're not doing T.V.
Please stay here a second nineteen on the way we're not doing T.V..
I'm
the way we're not doing T.V.. I'm going to rebel against that one
nine
I'm going to rebel against that one nine hundred sixty eight the riot broke
out
nine hundred sixty eight the riot broke out in Roxbury with black section of
Boston
out in Roxbury with black section of Boston and I think we had maybe one
black
Boston and I think we had maybe one black guy in the circulation and
suddenly
black guy in the circulation and suddenly got
And you know Jews a swarthy and you know it's like society and so they can
community were a young gentleman named Joe Ferguson tried to run me over while
I
Joe Ferguson tried to run me over while I was still in a car and Joe Joe's
message
I was still in a car and Joe Joe's message was
I was still in a car and Joe Joe's message was.
We
message was. We want some of our own
Here covering our issues. And I took that message back very
quickly
And I took that message back very quickly to about seventy three miles an
hour
quickly to about seventy three miles an hour.
And
hour. And I said it's not that I don't want
to
And I said it's not that I don't want to go down there but you know
And I said it's not that I don't want to go down there but you know.
Cetera
to go down there but you know. Cetera.
So
Cetera. So the idea was whether it was blacks
or
So the idea was whether it was blacks or all the focus to get a whole bunch
of
Wanted down there. And I think it's still
To see their own. Because I think it means a lot
To see their own. Because I think it means a lot.
For
Because I think it means a lot. For a kid in Chinatown that a Chinese
American
folks in Chinatown. Are shy about talking to non Chinese
For a variety of reasons and. The language barrier being one of them
For a variety of reasons and. The language barrier being one of them.
On
The language barrier being one of them. On the other hand let's talk about the
You are. You want to make a career in journalism
and
You want to make a career in journalism and you want to know that in five years
or
and you want to know that in five years or three years or whatever you two get
a
or three years or whatever you two get a chance to cover a whole bunch of
other
a chance to cover a whole bunch of other issues
a chance to cover a whole bunch of other issues.
And
other issues. And it's a common sense answer you use
that
wants to cover the community. And when that
Enough already. I've got to start doing some of the
things
I've got to start doing some of the things.
You
things. You let that
walls in the community. So that an old fact
walls in the community. So that an old fact.
White
So that an old fact. White Jewish guy like gal can amble in
and
White Jewish guy like gal can amble in and say you don't know me but with that
bad. We
bad. We would just been dealing with Stalin
so
We would just been dealing with Stalin so.
So
so. So I
so. So I think that's an answer you know I
think
them in a in a disadvantage in their career
them in a in a disadvantage in their career.
That
career. That you do not let them do the bigger
stories
That you do not let them do the bigger stories I mean I think that's what
you're
stories I mean I think that's what you're also talking about Alan
stories I mean I think that's what you're also talking about Alan.
But
you're also talking about Alan. But you know when I was working in Los
Angeles
But you know when I was working in Los Angeles I was
stories. But I also fought for and got
stories. But I also fought for and got.
The
But I also fought for and got. The bigger stories as well
But I also fought for and got. The bigger stories as well.
And
The bigger stories as well. And I think the issue is not saying no
to
And I think the issue is not saying no to a certain kinds of stories My
to work for a broad brush stroke so that you can do it all I mean that's
the
that you can do it all I mean that's the end
that you can do it all I mean that's the end.
Ultimately
the end. Ultimately.
If
Ultimately. If you were able to do all of that
Ultimately. If you were able to do all of that.
Then
If you were able to do all of that. Then.
And
Then. And do it well then that will be the
seeds
And do it well then that will be the seeds of your success
And do it well then that will be the seeds of your success.
But
what you are for instance if I'm dealing with an Asian issue
what you are for instance if I'm dealing with an Asian issue.
And
dealing with an Asian issue. And it's an Asian
dealing with an Asian issue. And it's an Asian.
You
And it's an Asian. You know
And it's an Asian. You know.
I'm
You know. I'm you know Asian
You know. I'm you know Asian.
If
I'm you know Asian. If that
You know this conference and. The viewers
You know. Not Asian don't you think they might
shut
Not Asian don't you think they might shut off just because you know
Not Asian don't you think they might shut off just because you know.
They
shut off just because you know. They think this has nothing to do with
them
They think this has nothing to do with them and I'm kind of like
own. Well
own. Well the idea is for you not to ever I
disagree
Well the idea is for you not to ever I disagree that you
I don't like those words I think what you do is you use your minutes thirty
or
you do is you use your minutes thirty or human
you do is you use your minutes thirty or human.
However
or human. However inches of column
being given. With the as much
understand this issue. Can and can't have it
in a way that they can understand and embrace it
in a way that they can understand and embrace it.
I
embrace it. I mean I think that
embrace it. I mean I think that.
It's
I mean I think that. It's about telling the story well
I mean I think that. It's about telling the story well.
But
It's about telling the story well. But I think there's a no that there's
another
But I think there's a no that there's another issue as well
But I think there's a no that there's another issue as well.
And
another issue as well. And I think it is absolutely legitimate
another issue as well. And I think it is absolutely legitimate.
For
And I think it is absolutely legitimate. For for
In some cases. Absolutely legitimate for a white
A Kwanzaa celebration. That's absolutely legitimate
A Kwanzaa celebration. That's absolutely legitimate.
It's
That's absolutely legitimate. It's a question of learning
That's absolutely legitimate. It's a question of learning.
And
It's a question of learning. And it's a question of taking that
information
And it's a question of taking that information.
And
information. And at it let's say he or she has the
information
And at it let's say he or she has the information wrong
And at it let's say he or she has the information wrong.
Get
information wrong. Get some advice on it from someone else
in
Get some advice on it from someone else in that newsroom
Get some advice on it from someone else in that newsroom.
But
in that newsroom. But I think it's absolutely legitimate
In
But I think it's absolutely legitimate In fact I encourage that to
In some cases where it is doable that is to say where the language is not a
barrier
is to say where the language is not a barrier.
And
barrier. And vice versa across the board
barrier. And vice versa across the board.
What
And vice versa across the board. What I want to
To reach into that. Bag of what we were talking about a few
minutes
Bag of what we were talking about a few minutes.
Go
minutes. Go.
world and those in the broader context. The same thing is true and within the
community
The same thing is true and within the community.
To
community. To try to understand the community in
its
To try to understand the community in its broader context and sometimes that
means
its broader context and sometimes that means.
A
means. A white
African-American events. Asian
events. Of concern to
forth. The question in the final analysis is
getting
The question in the final analysis is getting the story right
The question in the final analysis is getting the story right.
Getting
getting the story right. Getting the story right is the is the
bottom
Getting the story right is the is the bottom line and it's in the final
analysis
bottom line and it's in the final analysis.
I
analysis. I need to
analysis. I need to.
This
I need to. This woman is the most
in the room right. Hi What's your name and what's your
question
Hi What's your name and what's your question.
I'm
question. I'm married to Rivera I'm a vice
in Boston. And I stood
And side media I think Alan introduced the subject but it's been
the table. It's been my observation that
the table. It's been my observation that.
Hiring
It's been my observation that. Hiring and hiring of managers
It's been my observation that. Hiring and hiring of managers.
Hiring
Hiring and hiring of managers. Hiring of senior managers hiring a
journalist
Hiring of senior managers hiring a journalist.
Is
journalist. Is really the most critical thing I can
get
Is really the most critical thing I can get to this
To address any of the. Extent extended issues having to do
with
Extent extended issues having to do with race wars
Extent extended issues having to do with race wars.
You
with race wars. You know
with race wars. You know.
I
You know. I didn't say to the young I want to ask
the
I didn't say to the young I want to ask the question
I didn't say to the young I want to ask the question.
Push it out take the next assignment. Broadening out
Push it out take the next assignment. Broadening out.
Your
increasing. The
the media. At those levels
the media. At those levels.
Well
At those levels. Well the question was first directed to
the
And I just did. But anyway
And I just did. But anyway.
I
But anyway. I see it
It is a vastly different situation than when I entered
It is a vastly different situation than when I entered.
In
when I entered. In this one hundred years ago
when I entered. In this one hundred years ago.
When
In this one hundred years ago. When women were told they couldn't be
hired
When women were told they couldn't be hired because they might get
When a black was first hired by the Baltimore evening sun to be a
it was not already nine hundred sixty six I believe
it was not already nine hundred sixty six I believe.
And
six I believe. And Baltimore was then close to being
fifty
Today I look around the newsroom and I see a much better situation than I have
seen
see a much better situation than I have seen.
And
seen. And it
seen. And it.
And
And it. And it seems to be continuing
And it. And it seems to be continuing.
So
And it seems to be continuing. So I'm not sure
And it seems to be continuing. So I'm not sure.
I
So I'm not sure. I guess it
used to be. I don't think it's the
That still needs other remedies than are currently in existence I think
that's
are currently in existence I think that's also
Cross question. Brings to mind what
Cross question. Brings to mind what.
Often
Brings to mind what. Often like to look at as a as a
kinds of issues not the way the United Nations works
kinds of issues not the way the United Nations works.
May
Nations works. May would be very easy for United
Nations
May would be very easy for United Nations headquarters in New York to
draw
Nations headquarters in New York to draw all of its
Manhattan. But that would not give confidence to
the
But that would not give confidence to the international community
But that would not give confidence to the international community.
That
the international community. That the U.N. was functioning well
the international community. That the U.N. was functioning well.
Therefore
That the U.N. was functioning well. Therefore draws
from Latin America etc. And I think we have to look at the
the same kind of way. Certainly would be easy for the
But there is a question of confidence of the communities
But there is a question of confidence of the communities.
Similar
of the communities. Similar with regard to the Security
Council
Similar with regard to the Security Council.
Right
Council. Right now there is a reform to
include African nations of Latin American nations and other Asian
nations
American nations and other Asian nations.
Once
nations. Once again this is a matter of
confidence
Once again this is a matter of confidence.
But
confidence. But at the same time when there is a
question
But at the same time when there is a question in Central Africa of course
the
question in Central Africa of course the African nations are
take the lead with as a question. And Cambodia the Association of
Southeast
And Cambodia the Association of Southeast Asian Nations take the lead
And Cambodia the Association of Southeast Asian Nations take the lead.
And
Southeast Asian Nations take the lead. And similarly if there is a question
with
And similarly if there is a question with regard to some sensitive racial
matter
with regard to some sensitive racial matter.
Any
matter. Any nation can
take the lead I think that if we use the Unite
take the lead I think that if we use the Unite.
Nations
the Unite. Nations of the
like journalism we could understand more readily more easily
like journalism we could understand more readily more easily.
Why
more readily more easily. Why.
Diversity
Why. Diversity is something that journalism
should
Diversity is something that journalism should embrace as
from I'd like to since we've done a lot of Q. and A here and I'd like to
continue
of Q. and A here and I'd like to continue with the Q. and A with
of Q. and A here and I'd like to continue with the Q. and A with.
Moving
continue with the Q. and A with. Moving on to another
a number of things and let's move on to the last
A comment was made in my discussions with our
we were talking we were talking here again today about racial tensions and
news
again today about racial tensions and news coverage of racial tensions
again today about racial tensions and news coverage of racial tensions.
So
news coverage of racial tensions. So going back then to
That the way. News coverage of racial tensions
That the way. News coverage of racial tensions.
Affects
News coverage of racial tensions. Affects most
Is not the big stories or sort of the big sort of you know
Is not the big stories or sort of the big sort of you know.
stories do affect us. It's how we cover the story down the
street
It's how we cover the story down the street.
How
street. How we cover the story of the swash
stick
How we cover the story of the swash stick our of the you know the
You know building. How we cover that stuff
You know building. How we cover that stuff.
As
day out. And I think
about how we should or should not cover those events
about how we should or should not cover those events.
raise or if you'd like to raise questions about this question
raise or if you'd like to raise questions about this question.
This
questions about this question. This issue
questions about this question. This issue.
Please
This issue. Please feel free first of all
This issue. Please feel free first of all.
Should
Please feel free first of all. Should we as a journalist feel an
obligation
Should we as a journalist feel an obligation in our minute thirty or six
inches
obligation in our minute thirty or six inches of column
obligation in our minute thirty or six inches of column.
Two
inches of column. Two to say if we're talking about a
hate
Two to say if we're talking about a hate crime
Two to say if we're talking about a hate crime.
What
hate crime. What the rate was what the rate of hate
crimes
What the rate was what the rate of hate crimes.
Is
crimes. Is today as
story like that yes or no. GERALD
story like that yes or no. GERALD.
Absolutely
GERALD. Absolutely.
Any
Absolutely. Any question about this Elizabeth
Absolutely. Any question about this Elizabeth.
Allen
Any question about this Elizabeth. Allen.
Any
BELLA. We
BELLA. We have to have
You know. Is it
Not as frequently as it. Alan your
You know your. More than it used to
enough. You know
enough. You know.
OK
You know. OK fella
You know. OK fella.
Well
OK fella. Well I just got a
out you know. I disagree with Alan
out you know. I disagree with Alan.
Somewhat
I disagree with Alan. Somewhat about the
I disagree with Alan. Somewhat about the.
I
Somewhat about the. I disagree with your somewhat about the
local
I disagree with your somewhat about the local.
Versus
local. Versus big
I tend to think that Americans. And we are talking about
I tend to think that Americans. And we are talking about.
And
And we are talking about. And we're talking of race in this
context
And we're talking of race in this context where you were focusing on the
United
context where you were focusing on the United States
context where you were focusing on the United States.
I
United States. I think that they are basically
influenced
I think that they are basically influenced by bigger
down the street in terms of race relations
down the street in terms of race relations.
The
relations. The big
States is. Tension over affirmative action
States is. Tension over affirmative action.
It
Tension over affirmative action. It underlies everything
Tension over affirmative action. It underlies everything.
You
It underlies everything. You go into a
It underlies everything. You go into a.
Into
You go into a. Into a university
You go into a. Into a university.
Someone
Into a university. Someone assumes you're there
Into a university. Someone assumes you're there.
Because
Someone assumes you're there. Because you are an affirmative action
student
Because you are an affirmative action student.
You
student. You walk into a job someone assumes
you're
You walk into a job someone assumes you're there
You walk into a job someone assumes you're there.
Because
you're there. Because you have somehow been awarded
you're there. Because you have somehow been awarded.
Affirmative
Because you have somehow been awarded. Affirmative action
Because you have somehow been awarded. Affirmative action.
Affirmative action. Affirmative action of course goes
beyond
Affirmative action of course goes beyond that a black and white
Affirmative action of course goes beyond that a black and white.
But
beyond that a black and white. But it's not
of black and white it mainly benefits women
of black and white it mainly benefits women.
But
women. But it's largely seen as a benefit of
blacks
But it's largely seen as a benefit of blacks using in the United States
Senate
blacks using in the United States Senate action on those issues more
because
Senate action on those issues more because they affect us on a day in day
basis
because they affect us on a day in day basis.
I
basis. I think is what I'm talking I think we
need
I think is what I'm talking I think we need a big
Analysis is what we need. It's not just the neighborhood stuff I
mean
It's not just the neighborhood stuff I mean.
We
mean. We can
on a garage somewhere you know and in. But that the bottom line is the real
way
But that the bottom line is the real way of understanding what is
in this country is to really understand. Issues like affirmative action
in this country is to really understand. Issues like affirmative action.
That's
Issues like affirmative action. That's far
Issues like affirmative action. That's far.
Liberal
That's far. Liberal commentators and others have
given
Liberal commentators and others have given a very lousy
Liberal commentators and others have given a very lousy.
Analysis
given a very lousy. Analysis of what affirmative action is
given a very lousy. Analysis of what affirmative action is.
Conservatives
Analysis of what affirmative action is. Conservatives have been a lot more
adamant
Conservatives have been a lot more adamant.
And
adamant. And a lot more for us in their
white middle class student goes to the University of Texas or tries to get
into
University of Texas or tries to get into university of Texas
University of Texas or tries to get into university of Texas.
Says
into university of Texas. Says he can't get into university of
Texas
Says he can't get into university of Texas.
He
Texas. He doesn't assume that's because some
wealthy
ahead of him at the University of Texas. He didn't get in because some black
Wasn't. Picture Story What is the big
is it or a benefit different action that you want
have to go back all the way to the fourteenth Amendment
have to go back all the way to the fourteenth Amendment.
In
fourteenth Amendment. In many ways
fourteenth Amendment. In many ways.
You
In many ways. You have to say
In many ways. You have to say.
Why
You have to say. Why you are
You have to say. Why you are.
Why
Why you are. Why do we have affirmative action
Why you are. Why do we have affirmative action.
In
Why do we have affirmative action. In the first
Equal equal equality with an American society and
Equal equal equality with an American society and.
Americans
society and. Americans continue to think about race
society and. Americans continue to think about race.
As
Americans continue to think about race. As a
Product of society. Not understanding that it is
many ways. And I think the big
action is understanding why. It's needed
action is understanding why. It's needed.
What
It's needed. What is it
It's needed. What is it.
What
What is it. What is
What is it. What is.
it
What is. it All about what you have written in
the
it All about what you have written in the form of action is why some
think it's not needed when as the job of a journalist is a look at both sides
of
of a journalist is a look at both sides of that careers are in Colorado
of a journalist is a look at both sides of that careers are in Colorado.
right
of that careers are in Colorado. right Indeed and one thing that
journalists
right Indeed and one thing that journalists have not stated for
However we might cover this is affirmative action is not giving jobs
to
affirmative action is not giving jobs to unqualified
And. Why
And. Why is that a wide
American society. Because a lot of
guy who got hired next to them was not as qualified as a guy could have been
And racism. And racism
And racism. And racism.
Indeed
And racism. Indeed.
And
Indeed. And I think that is something that we
need
And I think that is something that we need to say that a lot of this is based
on
need to say that a lot of this is based on racial antagonism and racial
misunderstandings
on racial antagonism and racial misunderstandings.
A lot of the coverage that we do. Is about extremists is about the
swastikas
Is about extremists is about the swastikas do we do harm by covering
those
swastikas do we do harm by covering those stories should we ignore them
swastikas do we do harm by covering those stories should we ignore them.
Is
those stories should we ignore them. Is that
When you say that those are not really the stories no really it's a big
Should we be still covering those stories or don't are we not inflaming
the
stories or don't are we not inflaming the situation we have five amount of
air
the situation we have five amount of air time and
the situation we have five amount of air time and.
News
know The devil's advocate what do you think
know The devil's advocate what do you think.
Alan
think. Alan.
You've
Alan. You've got to cover room
Alan. You've got to cover room.
Because
You've got to cover room. Because you've got to remember Hitler
started
Because you've got to remember Hitler started with six guys
Because you've got to remember Hitler started with six guys.
And
started with six guys. And was considered a screwball by a
number
And was considered a screwball by a number of Germans
And was considered a screwball by a number of Germans.
So
number of Germans. So you have to cover them
number of Germans. So you have to cover them.
Go
So you have to cover them. Go ahead and
Virginia where you had this black man who was burned to death and beheaded
Virginia where you had this black man who was burned to death and beheaded.
Animated this crime. And I'm wondering when this is going to
hit
And I'm wondering when this is going to hit national news and effect and makes
me
hit national news and effect and makes me a little
national news yet. Particularly since a such a heinous
crime
Particularly since a such a heinous crime so I certainly we have to cover
these
crime so I certainly we have to cover these stories sometimes as this
incident
these stories sometimes as this incident shows
these stories sometimes as this incident shows.
I
incident shows. I don't think we
to such on the other hand we've got the church burnings in the South everyone
ran
church burnings in the South everyone ran with church burnings all across the
country
ran with church burnings all across the country something like how many of them
seventy
country something like how many of them seventy eight
country something like how many of them seventy eight.
Church
seventy eight. Church burned
seventy eight. Church burned.
Burnings
Church burned. Burnings across the country in states
after
Burnings across the country in states after States and there was a
force. He
force. He did a big story a big study about
these
He did a big story a big study about these fires
He did a big story a big study about these fires.
That
these fires. That everybody was
allegedly racially motivated because so many of the churches were black
churches
many of the churches were black churches.
And
churches. And later on it said that they were not
motivated
And later on it said that they were not motivated by what they were motivated
by
motivated by what they were motivated by a wide array of factors including
motivated by what they were motivated by a wide array of factors including.
Not
by a wide array of factors including. Not only blatant racism or religious
hatred
Not only blatant racism or religious hatred but also financial
the media had exaggerated stories about the church fires
the media had exaggerated stories about the church fires.
And
A cochairman of the task force said media
Made burning churches the thing to do and some juveniles
Made burning churches the thing to do and some juveniles.
Started
and some juveniles. Started fires after seeing the news
coverage
Started fires after seeing the news coverage.
So
coverage. So where does it
we've got to cover these stories. But what about the
We're feeding. Makers in or
We're feeding. Makers in or.
Putting graffiti. Swastikas in
Massachusetts we've had quite a few of those incidents
he's covered quite a few. I know
he's covered quite a few. I know.
And
I know. And.
And
And. And the situation with the church
burnings
And the situation with the church burnings I think is very similar to
some
burnings I think is very similar to some of those incidents may have been
Arsonists if you know where are all the. Alan I mean
Arsonists if you know where are all the. Alan I mean.
Thinking
Alan I mean. Thinking about this as we cover these
stories
Thinking about this as we cover these stories that hey you know we're going
to
ideas are doing this and we in other words we create is always a danger in
anything
words we create is always a danger in anything we cover in time immemorial
words we create is always a danger in anything we cover in time immemorial.
That
anything we cover in time immemorial. That somebody out there will take the
wrong
That somebody out there will take the wrong cue and do something terrible
it's
wrong cue and do something terrible it's always a danger no matter what
we're
it's always a danger no matter what we're talking about
it's always a danger no matter what we're talking about.
But
we're talking about. But it contra Venice from covering it
we're talking about. But it contra Venice from covering it.
As
But it contra Venice from covering it. As far as covering the church burnings
But it contra Venice from covering it. As far as covering the church burnings.
We
As far as covering the church burnings. We had to cover them
As far as covering the church burnings. We had to cover them.
We
We had to cover them. We have to cover the mark to
You go into a story without making too many
If you assume too much you're not being that good a
because there was a rash of church burnings that allegedly been linked to
a
burnings that allegedly been linked to a race or racial motive his motivation
that
a race or racial motive his motivation that the next church burning you find
in
that the next church burning you find in the same area or even across the
country
in the same area or even across the country.
For
Oregon. That violated for later that was linked
Oregon. That violated for later that was linked.
But
That violated for later that was linked. But later on they found to be we don't
disagree
But later on they found to be we don't disagree that much over national local
one
disagree that much over national local one of the best ways to cover
affirmative
one of the best ways to cover affirmative action which I and I agree
with
affirmative action which I and I agree with what you said I don't know where
we
with what you said I don't know where we disagree one of the best ways to
cover
we disagree one of the best ways to cover from of action is to go to the
local
That the reason they're not getting on the
white males. And to investigate that story and see
if
And to investigate that story and see if indeed
And to investigate that story and see if indeed.
That's
if indeed. That's the reason
if indeed. That's the reason.
And
That's the reason. And if so why is there is acting to get
on
And if so why is there is acting to get on T.V. though is that going to get in
the
think it. but Infrequently Would you agree
think it. but Infrequently Would you agree.
Yes
but Infrequently Would you agree. Yes And you know anything that's going
to
Yes And you know anything that's going to listen to it go ahead I just want to
say
to listen to it go ahead I just want to say that it's
But for something that you may not see that's going to
And that's the community based activism. That when you learn about those
incidences
That when you learn about those incidences in New York City we just
heard
incidences in New York City we just heard about an atrocious
battaile it in a gross sexual attack on the Haitian man
battaile it in a gross sexual attack on the Haitian man.
Leslie
the Haitian man. Leslie by a
The media not done such an extensive coverage of it
The media not done such an extensive coverage of it.
How
coverage of it. How this was
Literally. And so tomorrow as a result of the
Literally. And so tomorrow as a result of the.
Wonderful
a rally in New York City. To
of times media. Leads to other things were
national network against violence and. Pacific American
national network against violence and. Pacific American.
Consortium
Pacific American. Consortium Karen Narasaki
Pacific American. Consortium Karen Narasaki.
Here
Consortium Karen Narasaki. Here as well
Consortium Karen Narasaki. Here as well.
A
Here as well. A local instances
We circulate that. In the network to
We circulate that. In the network to.
All
In the network to. All different
issue. So
issue. So these instances be
Like in the front of action. Stories a good
the dots. For
The L A Times that this. Months ago when it looked at the
affirmative
Months ago when it looked at the affirmative action story in the context
of
affirmative action story in the context of legacy admissions that is to say if
your
of legacy admissions that is to say if your father went to Harvard then you
get
your father went to Harvard then you get affirmative action
into Harvard. In terms of how influential in a fluent
individuals
In terms of how influential in a fluent individuals can lean on admissions
offices
individuals can lean on admissions offices and
individuals can lean on admissions offices and.
Dangle
offices and. Dangle of one million dollar gift and
get
Dangle of one million dollar gift and get.
their
get. their C. student
get. their C. student.
Son
their C. student. Son or daughter
their C. student. Son or daughter.
Into
Son or daughter. Into the University of California
Son or daughter. Into the University of California.
And
Into the University of California. And the stories are that I've heard
from
And the stories are that I've heard from New England where
And the stories are that I've heard from New England where.
Exams
from New England where. Exams for civil service or
from New England where. Exams for civil service or.
Police
Exams for civil service or. Police officers a firefighter is a
somehow
field to eliminate certain advantages some of which or it looks like that
benefit
some of which or it looks like that benefit other
others. And so the affirmative action story is
a
And so the affirmative action story is a good
connect the dots. I would agree
connect the dots. I would agree.
One
I would agree. One of the real quickly
I would agree. One of the real quickly.
Got
One of the real quickly. Got five minutes I got
One of the real quickly. Got five minutes I got.
At
Got five minutes I got. At the
some research. Very good series on affirmative action
as
Very good series on affirmative action as done by the Akron Beacon
Very good series on affirmative action as done by the Akron Beacon.
Three
as done by the Akron Beacon. Three years ago
as done by the Akron Beacon. Three years ago.
Which
Three years ago. Which looked at affirmative action and
connected
Which looked at affirmative action and connected the dots that you're talking
about
connected the dots that you're talking about general
connected the dots that you're talking about general.
OK
about general. OK.
You've
OK. You've been very
question for all of our leader that you feel that discrimination has and racism
question for all of our leader that you feel that discrimination has and racism.
Has
feel that discrimination has and racism. Has you know
feel that discrimination has and racism. Has you know.
Become
Has you know. Become last over the years and that we
have
My question to you is do you think it really has
Do you think it's just more subliminal for
Trying to move into a white neighborhood
Trying to move into a white neighborhood.
Would
neighborhood. Would be told You cannot move here
because
Would be told You cannot move here because you're white
Would be told You cannot move here because you're white.
Today
because you're white. Today might be told
because you're white. Today might be told.
You
Today might be told. You can't move here because this
Whereas. You know I mean I've seen
Whereas. You know I mean I've seen.
You
You know I mean I've seen. You know video footage of things like
this
And my question to you is what how do you feel about that have we really
underlying in what analysts saying. About our
Racism and society. You know I think you have various forms
of
You know I think you have various forms of discrimination in the country I mean
you
of discrimination in the country I mean you have a discrimination against large
In terms of trying to break through even getting to a glass ceiling near a
glass
even getting to a glass ceiling near a glass ceiling obviously you have that
fighting to get on the bus. You know not
fighting to get on the bus. You know not.
Not
You know not. Not just a question of riding the bus
not
Not just a question of riding the bus not just question just getting into
Denny's
not just question just getting into Denny's is a question you know like of
not just question just getting into Denny's is a question you know like of.
Of
Denny's is a question you know like of. Of actually being in the same
neighborhood
Of actually being in the same neighborhood where Denny's was located
for
And the fact of the matter is racism and discrimination
And the fact of the matter is racism and discrimination.
Obviously
and discrimination. Obviously a very
In this country but. There are of course has been
In this country but. There are of course has been.
Gross
There are of course has been. Gross.
Now
Gross. Now having said that
Gross. Now having said that.
I'll
Now having said that. I'll also say
Now having said that. I'll also say.
I
I'll also say. I think Gerald
I'll also say. I think Gerald.
Alluded
I think Gerald. Alluded to it
I think Gerald. Alluded to it.
Is
Alluded to it. Is that we're
Large numbers of ratio of violence in the country today
Large numbers of ratio of violence in the country today.
Which
the country today. Which is
color and of and but largely a benefit to women in this country but yet you
have
to women in this country but yet you have a backlash major backlash against
affirmative
have a backlash major backlash against affirmative action
have a backlash major backlash against affirmative action.
And
affirmative action. And that which is defined as
affirmative action. And that which is defined as.
Affirmative
And that which is defined as. Affirmative action
And that which is defined as. Affirmative action.
I
Affirmative action. I need to go to another question or go
for
I need to go to another question or go for it what's your name where you're
from
for it what's your name where you're from what's your question
for it what's your name where you're from what's your question.
My
from what's your question. My name is Gilda Chen the associate
militia
My name is Gilda Chen the associate militia of a magazine INSIDE ASIA
America
militia of a magazine INSIDE ASIA America I think that the
touched on the subject of education. Somewhat but it seems like you're not
going
Somewhat but it seems like you're not going to have your readers and viewers
Somewhat but it seems like you're not going to have your readers and viewers.
Even
going to have your readers and viewers. Even if you were to cover things
All of the thinking that's required. Because of the education system here I
mean
Because of the education system here I mean I came in from
school didn't even. Were never taught about the
internment. And so didn't have the sense of
historical
tomorrow. You think you would have the readers
there
You think you would have the readers there if the education system itself
does
there if the education system itself does not change
there if the education system itself does not change.
Which
does not change. Which leads me to the question is that
does not change. Which leads me to the question is that.
Do
Which leads me to the question is that. Do you think there should be
sensitivity
Do you think there should be sensitivity training in race matters in
school
sensitivity training in race matters in school.
And
school. And whether or not that something is
fact that as John mentioned that they may not even be
fact that as John mentioned that they may not even be.
Money
may not even be. Money for textbooks in the American
School
Money for textbooks in the American School System
Money for textbooks in the American School System.
I
School System. I didn't know about the
school I was educated in the United States
And my mother. Is
Really. I
Really. I didn't learn about it while school
Really. I didn't learn about it while school.
Really
I didn't learn about it while school. Really.
So
Really. So the
you think Errol I think that's a question for you
you think Errol I think that's a question for you.
Well
question for you. Well.
I
Well. I mean I would likely viable is the
question
I mean I would likely viable is the question is a
sensitivity change training. I would like to think yes
sensitivity change training. I would like to think yes.
But
I would like to think yes. But you think no
I would like to think yes. But you think no.
But
But you think no. But as of today I think
But you think no. But as of today I think.
Probably
But as of today I think. Probably not
But as of today I think. Probably not.
So
Probably not. So then we're back to the fact
Probably not. So then we're back to the fact.
What
So then we're back to the fact. What the
Well the argument is made that you need the death of
You know. You can
Not as much. But you can
which facts to include and which ones you decide not to include
which facts to include and which ones you decide not to include.
And
you decide not to include. And which ones you fight to include
Elizabeth
And which ones you fight to include Elizabeth.
And
Elizabeth. And to link it like the interment of
that's not going on today. I mean who did they initially blame for
the
I mean who did they initially blame for the Oklahoma bombing
I mean who did they initially blame for the Oklahoma bombing.
Oklahoma
the Oklahoma bombing. Oklahoma bombing
the Oklahoma bombing. Oklahoma bombing.
You
Oklahoma bombing. You know
Oklahoma bombing. You know.
And
You know. And only to find out it wasn't a Muslim
or
And only to find out it wasn't a Muslim or.
You
or. You know
or. You know.
Middle
You know. Middle Eastern
the guy who the guy who they detained of the
by what your questions are what's your name and where you're from
by what your questions are what's your name and where you're from.
Oh
name and where you're from. Oh.
My
Oh. My name's event Roman I'm the director
of
My name's event Roman I'm the director of the Center for integration and
Monitoring how media covers commutes of color and gays and lesbians and
a magazine about it. And my comment basically is
a magazine about it. And my comment basically is.
It's
And my comment basically is. It's geared towards what you're saying
but
It's geared towards what you're saying but also to the student who talked
about
but also to the student who talked about what resulted in the discussion
about
My first beat was the minority affairs beat in
going to say New York. This
with any of these communities. And the key was
with any of these communities. And the key was.
To
And the key was. To broaden as some of you have said
And the key was. To broaden as some of you have said.
Broaden
To broaden as some of you have said. Broaden it so as more than just the
festivals
Broaden it so as more than just the festivals and
Broaden it so as more than just the festivals and.
In
festivals and. In essence what
festivals and. In essence what.
I
In essence what. I think we need to do
In essence what. I think we need to do.
Is
I think we need to do. Is rehabilitate
I think we need to do. Is rehabilitate.
You
Is rehabilitate. You could say we have military to
create
You could say we have military to create rehabilitate the image of these
You could say we have military to create rehabilitate the image of these.
In
create rehabilitate the image of these. In the news rooms so that in newsrooms
covering
In the news rooms so that in newsrooms covering these beats have value
In the news rooms so that in newsrooms covering these beats have value.
And
covering these beats have value. And that's what I saw
Rochester. And then when I went to Miami for eight
years
And then when I went to Miami for eight years.
That's
years. That's what
How do you make those coverage of those one make media at all make it
but. But
but. But what
That was facetious. What
you're talking when the day comes that in the
Covering the street. Is regarded as
well covering Washington of the state house
well covering Washington of the state house.
That's
house. That's the day
house. That's the day.
The
that. And
that. And do those stories until that day
comes
And do those stories until that day comes it's going to be very difficult
lessons
comes it's going to be very difficult lessons know that given the
comes it's going to be very difficult lessons know that given the.
Situ
lessons know that given the. Situ.
Given
Situ. Given the discussions we're having
about
society. We should be running away from these
beats
We should be running away from these beats on the contrary we should be
embracing
beats on the contrary we should be embracing them and trying to redefine
what
embracing them and trying to redefine what those beats are within this vision
than
what those beats are within this vision than actually be the
We're almost out of time one last question what's your question ma'am
We're almost out of time one last question what's your question ma'am.
What's
question what's your question ma'am. What's your name and where you're from
question what's your question ma'am. What's your name and where you're from.
I'm
What's your name and where you're from. I'm here in our sock him the executive
director
I'm here in our sock him the executive director of national and legal
consortium
director of national and legal consortium.
We
consortium. We work in a consortium called the
Americans
We work in a consortium called the Americans for a fair chance on a
editors of major magazines and other. Print journals
editors of major magazines and other. Print journals.
About
Print journals. About their coverage of affirmative
action
About their coverage of affirmative action.
And
action. And I actually was at a national
magazine
And I actually was at a national magazine with the
Said to us Well you know this is a firm action really is unfair because for
If you had a station. Where I refused to have a lock on that
job
Where I refused to have a lock on that job and now they no longer have a lock
on
job and now they no longer have a lock on the job then that's unfair
job and now they no longer have a lock on the job then that's unfair.
So
on the job then that's unfair. So how do you do with
on the job then that's unfair. So how do you do with.
How
So how do you do with. How do you deal with trying to get this
issue
How do you deal with trying to get this issue a
journalists to understand that they are not neutral on the issue of race
journalists to understand that they are not neutral on the issue of race.
Because
not neutral on the issue of race. Because they think that if you're a
minority
Because they think that if you're a minority you have a
On race. That maybe buys you but if you're white
you're
otherwise. So how do you
otherwise. So how do you.
How
So how do you. How do you
to start questioning whether in fact their judgment
to start questioning whether in fact their judgment.
Maybe
their judgment. Maybe buys that they need to
their judgment. Maybe buys that they need to.
They
Maybe buys that they need to. They need to think more broadly outside
of
They need to think more broadly outside of their box
They need to think more broadly outside of their box.
That's
of their box. That's a hard question really and a
very
That's a hard question really and a very good question
That's a hard question really and a very good question.
I
very good question. I think Alan is the only
Oh thank you. But what I see
is that I'm among the editors are not just white editors and if consciousness
has
just white editors and if consciousness has to be raised then there are a black
editors
has to be raised then there are a black editors who can
issue. I
issue. I think we finally got to the
where we are where we don't even need to go to that extent we seem to
understand
to go to that extent we seem to understand that issue I can't
the whole industry. I'll tell you with the most ticklish
say that you know in meeting after meeting
say that you know in meeting after meeting.
Oftentimes
meeting. Oftentimes the whole meeting with just
white
Oftentimes the whole meeting with just white men
Oftentimes the whole meeting with just white men.
Right
white men. Right.
Maybe
Right. Maybe some women
Right. Maybe some women.
But
African-Americans are there mainly to stand so the break them aside and say
Excuse
stand so the break them aside and say Excuse me but
stand so the break them aside and say Excuse me but.
That
Excuse me but. That was a bizarre statement
Excuse me but. That was a bizarre statement.
Yeah
That was a bizarre statement. Yeah.
Well
Yeah. Well you just answer the question of
affirmative
Well you just answer the question of affirmative action it's kind of a round
Well you just answer the question of affirmative action it's kind of a round.
It's
affirmative action it's kind of a round. It's a circle isn't it
affirmative action it's kind of a round. It's a circle isn't it.
If
It's a circle isn't it. If affirmative action
It's a circle isn't it. If affirmative action.
If
If affirmative action. If there's not affirmative action not
only
If there's not affirmative action not only to hire but to
Folks diversity. Then you're going to
rooms filled with white males who for some reason don't get it
rooms filled with white males who for some reason don't get it.
I
some reason don't get it. I don't understand what the mental
block
I don't understand what the mental block is
I don't understand what the mental block is.
On
block is. On that issue I said so we're really at
that
On that issue I said so we're really at that and I
to be redundant. I'll tell you where there is a
affirmative action. When
affirmative action. When.
In
When. In those situations where
When. In those situations where.
Tests
In those situations where. Tests such as civil service
In those situations where. Tests such as civil service.
Tests
Tests such as civil service. Tests or
been altered. To bring in more of this that of the
other
To bring in more of this that of the other then
To bring in more of this that of the other then.
Legitimate
other then. Legitimate questions about affirmative
action
Legitimate questions about affirmative action come to the fore
Legitimate questions about affirmative action come to the fore.
There
action come to the fore. There are answers to those questions
action come to the fore. There are answers to those questions.
That's
There are answers to those questions. That's where you can get into one of
There are answers to those questions. That's where you can get into one of.
Discussion
That's where you can get into one of. Discussion of whether affirmative
action
Discussion of whether affirmative action.
Has
action. Has been used the right way or the
wrong
Has been used the right way or the wrong way
Has been used the right way or the wrong way.
But
wrong way. But you're raising a much more
difficult
But you're raising a much more difficult question
But you're raising a much more difficult question.
Which
difficult question. Which I don't know how to answer the
way
Which I don't know how to answer the way that you have to educate white
folks
way that you have to educate white folks.
You
folks. You either have to
folks into the room. But you know that's
to educate the white folks. As to what they're missing and
to educate the white folks. As to what they're missing and.
I
As to what they're missing and. I don't know how they missed this one
last
think it's interesting as you have major news media who are in fact
think it's interesting as you have major news media who are in fact.
Being
major news media who are in fact. Being sued for
discrimination or. White males in
effective. Badly by
to disclose that when they write their story or they decide how the story's
going
story or they decide how the story's going to be framed and
story or they decide how the story's going to be framed and.
We've
going to be framed and. We've had so many
We tried to write that story in my editor
We tried to write that story in my editor.
Refused
editor. Refused.
You
Refused. You know
Refused. You know.
We
You know. We clear I wish this conversation this
is
We clear I wish this conversation this is gushing could resolve
We clear I wish this conversation this is gushing could resolve.
All
is gushing could resolve. All these issues
is gushing could resolve. All these issues.
It
All these issues. It cannot we are out of time so I would
leave
It cannot we are out of time so I would leave you with this final thought from
each
leave you with this final thought from each of our
What grade would you give the media as a whole right today at this moment
What grade would you give the media as a whole right today at this moment.
In
a whole right today at this moment. In terms of news coverage on race
Jerald
In terms of news coverage on race Jerald A through F. C. minus
In terms of news coverage on race Jerald A through F. C. minus.
Elizabeth
Jerald A through F. C. minus. Elizabeth.
C.
Elizabeth. C. minus our
Elizabeth. C. minus our.
D
C. minus our. D.
OK
D. OK And
And if there is what if there's one thing that you could change
And if there is what if there's one thing that you could change.
About
thing that you could change. About news coverage to raise that grade
thing that you could change. About news coverage to raise that grade.
If
About news coverage to raise that grade. If there was one thing you could change
what
If there was one thing you could change what would it be Gerald
If there was one thing you could change what would it be Gerald.
I
what would it be Gerald. I would say increased affirmative
action
I would say increased affirmative action.
Increased
action. Increased.
Education
Increased. Education of editors
Increased. Education of editors.
Lizabeth
Education of editors. Lizabeth.
More
Lizabeth. More coverage that doesn't focus on
divisiveness
More coverage that doesn't focus on divisiveness but
More coverage that doesn't focus on divisiveness but.
On
divisiveness but. On unity
divisiveness but. On unity.
Alan
On unity. Alan.
Context
Alan. Context and
history. PHILIP
history. PHILIP.
I
PHILIP. I want to retract that grade and give
him
I want to retract that grade and give him a D.
I want to retract that grade and give him a D..
It's
him a D.. It's not
him a D.. It's not.
I
It's not. I mean there has been some effort but
one
I mean there has been some effort but one thing I would say
I mean there has been some effort but one thing I would say.
There
one thing I would say. There are two three things I would say
one thing I would say. There are two three things I would say.
One
There are two three things I would say. One is I think we should banish terms
like
One is I think we should banish terms like.
Politically
like. Politically correct
like. Politically correct.
Political
Politically correct. Political Correctness
Politically correct. Political Correctness.
From
Political Correctness. From the news
Political Correctness. From the news.
lexicon
From the news. lexicon The term makes no sense it just
negates
lexicon The term makes no sense it just negates things like
lexicon The term makes no sense it just negates things like.
Real
negates things like. Real racism
negates things like. Real racism.
Of
Real racism. Of it makes it seem like an
illegitimate
Of it makes it seem like an illegitimate issue
Of it makes it seem like an illegitimate issue.
In
illegitimate issue. In a gate saw issues like
multiculturalism
In a gate saw issues like multiculturalism.
And
multiculturalism. And you'd to get to at a
think we should focus as I live with said on more
That the stories of inclusiveness. And finally I think that it is
To consult with white editors. About their own attitudes toward
To consult with white editors. About their own attitudes toward.
Toward
About their own attitudes toward. Toward their staff toward
color. And the same thing is true for the
staff
And the same thing is true for the staff across the board
And the same thing is true for the staff across the board.
Yang and Dr Gerald Horne you give in your heart and your time thank you and
thank
your heart and your time thank you and thank all of you for joining us today
your heart and your time thank you and thank all of you for joining us today.
The
thank all of you for joining us today. The be where you get away with the Be
well